heh I took a cruise thru Frys Electronics the other day.. They had one of those tablets with a foldout keyboard running Windows 10 for $79 with a whopping ONE GIGABYTE of ram... Asked the salesdroid if they'd sold any, he said they were selling like hotcakes.. (shudders) The salesdroid kind of admitted to me that the store was likely to see a LOT of returns on THAT item... Was normally $120, but on sale for $79...
Back before I came to the conclusion that Windows 10 should actually be called a CTD (Computer-Transmitted Disease) I took two laptops with 10 Pro on them. One, with the install in an --alledgedly-- castrated state, local acct only, cortana disabled, and a bunch of other gpedit,msc tweaks,and one with a default (MS "recommended") install and then indivdually allowed them to "talk" on my network, which had a remote packet capture daemon running on the router, I used Wireshark to capture/examine the packet captures, and captures that ran for 8 hours each, showed BOTH systems spent the whole time yakking at the same urls... My conclusion is: you're getting fucked either way if you use Windows NSA Edition... Thankfully, I'm now Windows-Free to 100% Linux...
yup... I've not worked full-time for a company since 2010 (I'm retired) but I still get pinged by several headhunters I worked thru a few years before I retired, since I've kept up with continuing education and a couple of part time gigs.. Since I'm retired, I cannot even *concieve* of going back to a full-time job, but if I could find a part-time gig admining ONLY Linux, I'd probably jump at it.. After seeing what a "bag_of_shit" Windows 10 is, I want NOTHING to do with it, or anything that comes out of Microsoft...
Let me start out with a hearty "FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!"... Sounds like Valve needs to speed up Steam/Linux development.. I supported/used Windows from 1991 to 2010, and when I retired in 2010, I decided I was sick and tired of MS's stupidity.. So all of my systems are happy on Linux, and for the Steam games I play, the Linux Steam client works 100%.. Oh sure, theres a couple of newer games on Steam I'd love to play BUT there is NO WAY in HELL I'd go back to Windows just to be able to play them....
What needs to happen but NEVER will, is people need to STOP BUYING products that do asinine stuff like this.. I guar-on-teeee if NOBODY bought these phones and raised a stink with the manufacturer of said phones, you'd get some action.. Not from the "raising a stink" but from the NOT BUYING....
Same as the US IRS's definition of voluntary... Unless you "volunteer" to pay "income tax", we will hound you/put you in jail... Thats their definition of "voluntary compliance"....
Sorry, everybody I used to Skype with, we now use Line.. Works everywhere we need.. I used to support/use MS products, but after I retired in 2010, all of my personal systems moved to 100% Linux, no dualboots.. After seeing what a "turd-in-the-punchbowl" Windows 10 is, NOTHING MS is gonna touch my computers/network. Yeah.. I know, big deal.. But its a big deal to me.. MS has gone off the rails...
I used/supported Windows for close to 20 years before I retired in 2010. At that time I decided I was done with using MS products, and moved all of my home machines over to single-boot Ubuntu. After seeing what a "turd_in_the_punchbowl" Windows 10 is, privacy-wise, I couldn't be happier with my decision.. I suppose for those who are *forced* to use Windows, either by their job or perhaps they just *think* they *have* to use Windows, this might be useful, but not for those of us who don't care to be MS's "product" and use Linux natively...
I don't care.. As long as I can put Tomato/DDWrt/OpenWRT on a router, getting rid of the universally crappy f/w that comes with these commodity routers, I'll use em... My customers are cheap, but they keep food on my table...
I started with Slackware back around 1994-ish, enjoyed feeding the endless floppy disks during the install and even "released the magic smoke" on a monitor due to some booboos in the modelines setting up XFree86. After some years on Redhat/Fedora, a friend, back around 2007, introduced me to Ubuntu and I've been on that since, and am currently on 14.04LTS. However, I have a sneaking suspicion I'm not gonna be moving to 16.04 due to the infestation of systemd into the Ubuntu infrastructure... I've tried the previous version of Slackware 14.1 both on my laptop and in vbox, and I got a feeling I'm gonna move to this new release of Slackware as it gets closer to EOL of 14.04.....
Here about 2 years ago, I finally retired my 54GL that I'd been running as my edge router for close to 10 years. Of course it had Tomato f/w on it, and never gave me a bit of trouble. The only reason I retired it was the fact I wanted a router that had more available space than the measly 4mb that the 54GL had, and support for ipv6. I went with an Asus RT-N12 with 8mb and put Tomato 1.28Mega on it, and moved the 54GL out to provide a wifi bridge for some computers in the living room that don't have wifi... Still working there just fine...
Dunno why I'm replying to an AC, but here goes... You *just* think you turned off the spyware... I've found thru my own testing that installing using the non-default method, and turning OFF all those cute little toggle switches do NOT turn off the spyware aspects of 10... I described what I did later in another comment later on, and its certainly convinced me that, withOUT a hardware firewall blocking these connections, Windows 10 Home/Pro are a privacy nightmare... So glad I gave up using MS products on my personal systems quite some time ago....
Other than starting a "Whack-A-Mole" between the authors of this "Windows 10 Privacy Suite" and MS.. Sure this "Privacy Suite" might stop the spyware aspects of Windows10 *today* but if more and more people began to use said tool, and MS/NSA's data-collection started dropping off, you can bet there would be changes that would bypass/change things and re-enable the spyware aspects and then the devs of the privacy tool would counter those changes, Rise and Repeat, ad infinitum... OR the MS legal dept would just sue the developers of the tool to death... Both scenarios are perfectly in character for MS...
In my opinion the ONLY way Windows 10 is going to EVER be tolerably safe to use is if you block the telemetry sites in a hardware firewall.. Home users are kinda out of luck unless they're clueful and use something like pfsense or other *real* firewall.. Just for fun, I did some testing a while back, took two laptops with Windows10 on them, one with a default-install, meaning all of the telemetry/spyware enabled, an MS account login, and a second laptop with a "castrated" install, local login account only, and Spybot Antibeacon. I loaded a remote packet capture daemon (rpcapd) on my router, and pointed a copy of Wireshark at the packet capture tool. Took 2 hours worth of packets on each individual system, and compared them.. Funny thing.. the alledgedly castrated system was blabbing endlessly at about 50% of the total number of the listed URLs as the un-castrated default-install system... Conclusion is, Windows 10 cannot be safely defanged without blocking at an external firewall....
hehe It'd be just like them to continue to push it on everybody, but after its downloaded, it pops up a box asking for a credit card, and if you refuse, it soft-bricks your computer... Frankly I wouldn't put it past them.....
MEH, for sure!! If I want a bash shell, I *know* where to find it.. hint: It ISNT on an MS product!! I suppose for those poor schlubs who MUST use Windows (at work, or have to run pgms that Wine/Crossover won't do) it may be of *some* use, but jeeeebus, running a bash shell on Windows, is like towing a beat-up UHaul trailer behind a Ferrarri...
It will also mark the end of the one-year free Windows 10 update offer for Windows 7 and Windows 8.x users.
All I can say is "Good Riddance"... I lost count of the number of machines I've had to mess with because either the client DIDN'T WANT Windows 10 for one reason or another, OR the "malware" that *is* Windows 10, or "Windows NSA Edition" or my fav, Windows, the CTD (Computer-Transmitted Disease) managed to get installed, user was on the ball enough to initiate the "roll-back" to their previous version and 10 decided to shit the floor with their machine/data... I was soooo glad to hear of the lady who sued MS and got ten grand from them.. Hope theres a flood more of these suits... Couldn't happen to a more deserving company... Soooo glad I gave up using MS products on *my* systems quite some time ago...
Hehe I hadn't thought of that Police song... PERFECT!! Kinda why I refer to Windows10 as "Windows NSA Edition" or alternatively, as a CTD (Computer-Transmitted Disease)...
I did the "Wireshark" thing a few months ago. Put a remote packet capture daemon on my router, and pointed a copy of Wireshark at it, and watched what a "castrated" install of 10 talked to, and then, as a control, an UNcastrated, default-install of 10, provided by friends.. Bottom line, there was hardly any difference between the two captures... Which tells me one VERY important thing.. All of the cutesy-tootsie toggle switches that make you *think* you're disabling the spyware aspects of 10 are just a smoke-screen... Sooooooooooo very glad I gave up the Windows addiction when I retired in 2010....
I'm a retired sysadmin, did Windows/Linux sysadmin for quite a few years prior to 2010, when I retired, at that time I decided I was done with MS products.. Having said that I decided to play around with this new Windows 10 thingie from MS. I took a spare drive for my laptop and, using the product key for Windows 7 Pro that came with the Dell laptop, I installed the released build of 10 Pro. Since I'd heard all of the horror stories about telemetry, I did the install in what I refer to as a "castrated" state, turning all the cutesy-tootsie toggle switches on the phone-home shit to OFF. I used local accounts only, did a bunch more stuff in gpedit.msc, stuff that Google searches told me were needed to "castrate" 10... Well, I'm here to tell you, even after this, with a remote packet capture daemon running on my hardware firewall, and capturing what the laptop with 10 was doing on the internet via Wireshark, I saw VERY little change between a non-castrated 10 system, provided by a neighbor who bought said non-castrated system at a Bigbox store, and my castrated install. Which leads me to the inevitable conclusion that MS is going to data-mine the poor suckers who use this "free" OS no MATTER what.. After a bit of education, said neighbor had me upgrade his new i7 system to Ubuntu...
I refer to it as a "CTD", namely a Computer-Transmitted Disease, or alternatively "Windows NSA Edition".... Sooooo glad I stopped using MS products in 2010...
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Is this the future of Windows? You will allow us to monitor your every keystroke and sound or bugger off!
That would be my guess....
heh I took a cruise thru Frys Electronics the other day.. They had one of those tablets with a foldout keyboard running Windows 10 for $79 with a whopping ONE GIGABYTE of ram... Asked the salesdroid if they'd sold any, he said they were selling like hotcakes.. (shudders) The salesdroid kind of admitted to me that the store was likely to see a LOT of returns on THAT item... Was normally $120, but on sale for $79...
I'd mod you up if I hadn't already posted essentially the same thing... FUCK YOU, MICROSOFT!!! (had to be said)
Back before I came to the conclusion that Windows 10 should actually be called a CTD (Computer-Transmitted Disease) I took two laptops with 10 Pro on them. One, with the install in an --alledgedly-- castrated state, local acct only, cortana disabled, and a bunch of other gpedit,msc tweaks,and one with a default (MS "recommended") install and then indivdually allowed them to "talk" on my network, which had a remote packet capture daemon running on the router, I used Wireshark to capture/examine the packet captures, and captures that ran for 8 hours each, showed BOTH systems spent the whole time yakking at the same urls... My conclusion is: you're getting fucked either way if you use Windows NSA Edition... Thankfully, I'm now Windows-Free to 100% Linux...
JUL.. Thats also my cure for the MS "disease" called "Windows NSA Edition".....
yup... I've not worked full-time for a company since 2010 (I'm retired) but I still get pinged by several headhunters I worked thru a few years before I retired, since I've kept up with continuing education and a couple of part time gigs.. Since I'm retired, I cannot even *concieve* of going back to a full-time job, but if I could find a part-time gig admining ONLY Linux, I'd probably jump at it.. After seeing what a "bag_of_shit" Windows 10 is, I want NOTHING to do with it, or anything that comes out of Microsoft...
Let me start out with a hearty "FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!"... Sounds like Valve needs to speed up Steam/Linux development.. I supported/used Windows from 1991 to 2010, and when I retired in 2010, I decided I was sick and tired of MS's stupidity.. So all of my systems are happy on Linux, and for the Steam games I play, the Linux Steam client works 100%.. Oh sure, theres a couple of newer games on Steam I'd love to play BUT there is NO WAY in HELL I'd go back to Windows just to be able to play them....
What needs to happen but NEVER will, is people need to STOP BUYING products that do asinine stuff like this.. I guar-on-teeee if NOBODY bought these phones and raised a stink with the manufacturer of said phones, you'd get some action.. Not from the "raising a stink" but from the NOT BUYING....
Same as the US IRS's definition of voluntary... Unless you "volunteer" to pay "income tax", we will hound you/put you in jail... Thats their definition of "voluntary compliance"....
Sorry, everybody I used to Skype with, we now use Line.. Works everywhere we need.. I used to support/use MS products, but after I retired in 2010, all of my personal systems moved to 100% Linux, no dualboots.. After seeing what a "turd-in-the-punchbowl" Windows 10 is, NOTHING MS is gonna touch my computers/network. Yeah.. I know, big deal.. But its a big deal to me.. MS has gone off the rails...
I used/supported Windows for close to 20 years before I retired in 2010. At that time I decided I was done with using MS products, and moved all of my home machines over to single-boot Ubuntu. After seeing what a "turd_in_the_punchbowl" Windows 10 is, privacy-wise, I couldn't be happier with my decision.. I suppose for those who are *forced* to use Windows, either by their job or perhaps they just *think* they *have* to use Windows, this might be useful, but not for those of us who don't care to be MS's "product" and use Linux natively...
I don't care.. As long as I can put Tomato/DDWrt/OpenWRT on a router, getting rid of the universally crappy f/w that comes with these commodity routers, I'll use em... My customers are cheap, but they keep food on my table...
I started with Slackware back around 1994-ish, enjoyed feeding the endless floppy disks during the install and even "released the magic smoke" on a monitor due to some booboos in the modelines setting up XFree86. After some years on Redhat/Fedora, a friend, back around 2007, introduced me to Ubuntu and I've been on that since, and am currently on 14.04LTS. However, I have a sneaking suspicion I'm not gonna be moving to 16.04 due to the infestation of systemd into the Ubuntu infrastructure... I've tried the previous version of Slackware 14.1 both on my laptop and in vbox, and I got a feeling I'm gonna move to this new release of Slackware as it gets closer to EOL of 14.04.....
Here about 2 years ago, I finally retired my 54GL that I'd been running as my edge router for close to 10 years. Of course it had Tomato f/w on it, and never gave me a bit of trouble. The only reason I retired it was the fact I wanted a router that had more available space than the measly 4mb that the 54GL had, and support for ipv6. I went with an Asus RT-N12 with 8mb and put Tomato 1.28Mega on it, and moved the 54GL out to provide a wifi bridge for some computers in the living room that don't have wifi... Still working there just fine...
Dunno why I'm replying to an AC, but here goes... You *just* think you turned off the spyware... I've found thru my own testing that installing using the non-default method, and turning OFF all those cute little toggle switches do NOT turn off the spyware aspects of 10... I described what I did later in another comment later on, and its certainly convinced me that, withOUT a hardware firewall blocking these connections, Windows 10 Home/Pro are a privacy nightmare... So glad I gave up using MS products on my personal systems quite some time ago....
Other than starting a "Whack-A-Mole" between the authors of this "Windows 10 Privacy Suite" and MS.. Sure this "Privacy Suite" might stop the spyware aspects of Windows10 *today* but if more and more people began to use said tool, and MS/NSA's data-collection started dropping off, you can bet there would be changes that would bypass/change things and re-enable the spyware aspects and then the devs of the privacy tool would counter those changes, Rise and Repeat, ad infinitum... OR the MS legal dept would just sue the developers of the tool to death... Both scenarios are perfectly in character for MS...
In my opinion the ONLY way Windows 10 is going to EVER be tolerably safe to use is if you block the telemetry sites in a hardware firewall.. Home users are kinda out of luck unless they're clueful and use something like pfsense or other *real* firewall.. Just for fun, I did some testing a while back, took two laptops with Windows10 on them, one with a default-install, meaning all of the telemetry/spyware enabled, an MS account login, and a second laptop with a "castrated" install, local login account only, and Spybot Antibeacon. I loaded a remote packet capture daemon (rpcapd) on my router, and pointed a copy of Wireshark at the packet capture tool. Took 2 hours worth of packets on each individual system, and compared them.. Funny thing.. the alledgedly castrated system was blabbing endlessly at about 50% of the total number of the listed URLs as the un-castrated default-install system... Conclusion is, Windows 10 cannot be safely defanged without blocking at an external firewall....
hehe It'd be just like them to continue to push it on everybody, but after its downloaded, it pops up a box asking for a credit card, and if you refuse, it soft-bricks your computer... Frankly I wouldn't put it past them.....
MEH, for sure!!
If I want a bash shell, I *know* where to find it.. hint: It ISNT on an MS product!! I suppose for those poor schlubs who MUST use Windows (at work, or have to run pgms that Wine/Crossover won't do) it may be of *some* use, but jeeeebus, running a bash shell on Windows, is like towing a beat-up UHaul trailer behind a Ferrarri...
It will also mark the end of the one-year free Windows 10 update offer for Windows 7 and Windows 8.x users.
All I can say is "Good Riddance"... I lost count of the number of machines I've had to mess with because either the client DIDN'T WANT Windows 10 for one reason or another, OR the "malware" that *is* Windows 10, or "Windows NSA Edition" or my fav, Windows, the CTD (Computer-Transmitted Disease) managed to get installed, user was on the ball enough to initiate the "roll-back" to their previous version and 10 decided to shit the floor with their machine/data... I was soooo glad to hear of the lady who sued MS and got ten grand from them.. Hope theres a flood more of these suits... Couldn't happen to a more deserving company... Soooo glad I gave up using MS products on *my* systems quite some time ago...
Hehe I hadn't thought of that Police song... PERFECT!! Kinda why I refer to Windows10 as "Windows NSA Edition" or alternatively, as a CTD (Computer-Transmitted Disease)...
I did the "Wireshark" thing a few months ago. Put a remote packet capture daemon on my router, and pointed a copy of Wireshark at it, and watched what a "castrated" install of 10 talked to, and then, as a control, an UNcastrated, default-install of 10, provided by friends.. Bottom line, there was hardly any difference between the two captures... Which tells me one VERY important thing.. All of the cutesy-tootsie toggle switches that make you *think* you're disabling the spyware aspects of 10 are just a smoke-screen... Sooooooooooo very glad I gave up the Windows addiction when I retired in 2010....
and if the person is smart, it will be immediately wiped and some Linux distro installed... Its the only way to be sure...
I'm a retired sysadmin, did Windows/Linux sysadmin for quite a few years prior to 2010, when I retired, at that time I decided I was done with MS products.. Having said that I decided to play around with this new Windows 10 thingie from MS. I took a spare drive for my laptop and, using the product key for Windows 7 Pro that came with the Dell laptop, I installed the released build of 10 Pro. Since I'd heard all of the horror stories about telemetry, I did the install in what I refer to as a "castrated" state, turning all the cutesy-tootsie toggle switches on the phone-home shit to OFF. I used local accounts only, did a bunch more stuff in gpedit.msc, stuff that Google searches told me were needed to "castrate" 10... Well, I'm here to tell you, even after this, with a remote packet capture daemon running on my hardware firewall, and capturing what the laptop with 10 was doing on the internet via Wireshark, I saw VERY little change between a non-castrated 10 system, provided by a neighbor who bought said non-castrated system at a Bigbox store, and my castrated install. Which leads me to the inevitable conclusion that MS is going to data-mine the poor suckers who use this "free" OS no MATTER what.. After a bit of education, said neighbor had me upgrade his new i7 system to Ubuntu...
I refer to it as a "CTD", namely a Computer-Transmitted Disease, or alternatively "Windows NSA Edition".... Sooooo glad I stopped using MS products in 2010...