After all of these years and all of the books we've read an all of the movies we've seen we should know by now that "the government"'s intention is not to help people, but to bow to special interest groups. Do you know how powerful the APA (American Psychiatric Association) is in Washington? How about the drug companies? If the 'public' doesn't have to pay for Psychiatric care, and the government will pay for it, what will happen? People will be committed and drugged against their will while the government pays for it. It already happens with health insurance and Medicare. There were a few stories this year about it on the news. This is the goal of the lobbyists who want more money for the 'poor people' who are ill. Ill by the standards of the people who stand to profit from the money that will come down the pipe. What about the millions of Americans who are paying taxes? We already pay more than a third of our earnings on the average to the government, what more do they want!?!
It's worse than profiling. It's sticking people with labels so that you can make money off of 'treating' them.
Are any readers from contries that already have a policy such as this on mental health? What's happening there?
Quake3Arena and Unreal Tournament are network games. You play against other people over a modem or other Internet/LAN connection. Networking is extremely cheap. An Ethernet card can run you about $30 US. An 8-port (cheap) 10Base-T hub can run you about $40. Cat-5 wiring is cheap. If DSL or cable modems are available in your area, those are fairly inexpensive extremely fast Internet connections (my ADSL 768k Down/384K up costs me $39/mo in Cincinnati). If all else fails, dial up. If you mean by the association with DIVX that the maker of the game charges you for playing, that (as far as I know) hasn't happened and hasn't been proposed. If you purchase the game you can run a server for it and anyone else who purchased the game can connect to it to play. If you download the "free" version, you are simply restricted to the demonstration levels.
It doesn't seem that Dell is at fault here. If they applied a virus pattern file update last Thursday (Nov-11) and detected the virus, it makes complete sense. The virus was added to Network Associates' (McAfee's) list on Nov-9. Which means that two days after the virus was identified by the anti-virus community (and probably the very next pattern file update), Dell found it in their systems. Per the page at NAI, the virus is detected by the pattern file due out today. This doesn't seem to be something we can blame Dell for.
I went to EPCOT for one afternoon/evening with my family a couple of weeks ago. I had gone there about ten years ago and as a child was impressed by the "futuristic" things (they still were, kinda). One of the things that I really wanted to see was the Innoventions area, which had alot of really cools things in it to do. It now consists of the following:
IBM's "Future of the Internet": Two buttons, it plays you pre-made video of the "site" you choose - one or the other (gives you two random selections). A chilling thought that that is where IBM wants the Internet to go in that direction. The only "breakthrough" was that the display was a bowl, and you had a piece of glass in front of you that filtered out all of the projected images to show you only your own. After my son and I left it, I asked him what he thought and he said that it ignored what button he pressed. I had the same problem.
They seem to like to bundle in multiple issues that may be somehow related. I seem to remember a few other bills that were opposed because of one particular issue on it, while the rest of it was good. Other issues have passed, but had an item appended to them that caused problems down the road. My thought it this:
They can cause a bill to not be passed by appending an issue that is worse than if the bill is not passed, in order to keep the bill from passing.
They can append issues that otherwise would not be passed, to a bill that will pass, thereby making law something that noone wants.
By 'they' I wonder who I'm speaking of. "The man?" Hmmm.
After reading the article, I still don't understand why anyone would oppose this. It seems like if the politicians don't have a backwards stance on something, they don't think they're doing their job.
My friends also said that nobody who worked for PB would ever actually own a PB computer.
And who can blame 'em? We (at work) own a ton of Gateway's and Dell's and when you talk to tech support (usually for Windows) they are quick to brag about the [Dell/Gateway] model they have at home. (After you start bragging about the one you bought.) If an employee of a PC company is willing to purchase one from their employer, you know the quality is high (or maybe the price was right...). Hmmm.
Hey-- me too! I have a Presario 486DX2-66 without a monitor that I keep in a corner of the basement running Linux, and use it for trying new things-- it even runs q3test server sometimes. I also have a PB 486DX2-66 that does the same things-- but it has useless SIMM sockets, a soldered 486 chip so that it can't be upgraded, and an overdesigned case that makes it hell to change anything in it...
A wonderful idea. You didn't mention how beneficial it could be for developers/programmers to find useful ideas and information so that they can use and expand on them. Considering the amount of software, most notably open source/free software being written, it could help the (forgive me for being so bold...) world!
This movement would need someone to lead it in the sense that Linus does--start it, guide it, and let others take over parts of it. There has to be some entity (person or group) who has control in the beginning, getting things going. Sounds real fundamental, but who's gonna do it?
If you read the page written by the hacker who cracked the box, you would know that the exploit was in the CGI script(s), not the OS. Everything else is moot! Yes, ZD should have applied the patches. But what good would it have done?
There's no question! The way I understand it, US government employees can procure an NT server with out extra approval, but if they want to get something else (and I believe that includes *any* competing software) they have to go through many more levels of approval. Anyone have first-hand experience of this?
Ya ya, another reply to myself, but... when I said we couldn't talk to anyone for 18 months, I meant noone called us back. Our salesrep was gone, each time they game us a name, they left or were transferred... Fortunately the voice service stayed running for the most part, we just couldn't get anything changed.
And don't even get me started on the wierdness of what the MCI/WorldCom merger did to my frame relay service: My service was "given" to Cable & Wireless, 'cause MCI/WorldCom could no longer be the "internet" business (I had my internet over it). But the Remote LAN Dial service that is also on that frame relay connection is still owned by MCI/WorldCom. If it stops working, who gets called? Who is responsible? Oh and did I mention that the T-1 the frame relay is on is provided by MCI WorldCom, and delivered to the building by Cincinnati Bell? Three friggin companies that will blame each other.
This is kinda off topic, but you see a result of their last merger...
When MCI and WorldCom merged, my company couldn't talk to anyone for a full 18 months!! We signed a three-year contract in April 1997, so we can't change services until next April. We've been taking bids and MCI seems to have the absolute worst pricing... But what about the MCI frame relay outage? A full week, and they continued to lie to their customers about it! "It'll be back up in an hour," when they knew they had lost a major piece of equipment! I'll go with *anyone* but MCI, and until today, that included Sprint! This is not good news for any company that would like to enjoy good service at a competitive price.
The telecomm industry is weird (though no weirder than other industries, I'm sure...)-- here's a good example:
Cincinnati Bell, formerly owned by "Bell" (along with Bell Labs, AT&T, et al), now independant. Owns Cincinnati Bell Telephone (CBT), a local telephone company. Also owns Cincinnati Bell Long Distance (CBLD), a long distance carrier competing in some cities (including Cincinnati) with AT&T. CBT has a relationship with AT&T, and shares switches with them. Also uses AT&T's wireless PCS network, providing national coverage. If you call AT&T for long distance service, the salesrep will hand you a card with Cincinnati Bell's logo on it, as well as AT&T's. CBLD bought IXE, and can now offer frame relay and dedicated long distance services in many major cities. If you call CBT, they'll recommend AT&T for LD service. CBT can't provide long distance service (though most Local Exchange Carriers can nowadays) because of their relationship with ATT. ATT can't provide local service correctly-- if someone wants to call you, they'll have to dial 1-NXX-NXX-XXXX, and pay long distance charges for a local call!
Sure they haven't spent a whole lot of $$$ on the 4.x line since the Mozilla project began, but why should they? I agree. My point exactly. But this doesn't change the number of users complaining about stability.
You have to keep in mind these (4.5 on, or so- I forget...) are for the most part maintenance/ security fix releases. It would be foolish to attempt to rewrite major parts of the code, such as the rendering engine, multiple POP mailboxes, better CSS support- the list goes on... I beg to differ. It would be a good idea to fix the stability problems, whether or not that involves rewriting a large portion of the code. They're BUGS!
No investment to lose? I beg to differ. While for home users the product is free, it sure isn't for the corporate client. Ah yes, corporate users. Alot of corporate users are using M$ everything, including IE. Not alot of corporate clients use *nix, from what I understand. I think knowing the real numbers would help.
And Mozilla? Cut them some slack. Is the code even alpha yet? Okay, okay, but from previous discussions on/. a few have mentioned the mess in that codebase and noone has said otherwise.
I think that they have not spent much money on the browser development since IE made it so big. They obviously have real problems like PNG and CSS that they haven't fixed. I think they're done spending big money on the product, since it is free. Why won't they just GPL it, do they think they have some real investment to LOSE!?!? They already lost it when they made the client free! And Mozilla's not quite the same as just making the Netscape codebase open. Isn't Mozilla a ground-up rewrite? And a buggy one at that!
This is not _really_ a troll. Netscape has some major issues that need to be fixed. I switched to IE on my Win systems because of them. Lockups, wierd connection problems, cache problems. I support hundreds of users. We started with Netscape 3.13 and moved up, now we're on IE4 (buggy, but not in the same areas). I really hope that they can get the quality of the interface up for Netscape 5. And personally, I really hate the Motif widget set. I wish they would use an open widget set that's not as clunky.
Remember how Quake3Test was released? Linux, then Mac, then Win. Why? Smallest number of users first. Even though IE has infiltrated the Netscape user base, I think that the Windows users of Netscape still outnumber the other platforms (I have no data on this, please correct me if I am wrong). So it makes sense to release it for *nix first. The user base is more technical and smaller, they will find all the juicy "issues" quickly and fix them for 4.71 before they release for Windiots.
1. Are you saying both RH and Debian are not "real" distros? B. Telling someone they have to compile Netscape is like telling them to compile Windoze. III. Using RPM is very convenient and clean, allowing you to keep all the files in the standard locations (as long as the creator uses them), and upgrade a package with ease. 4. Don't be troll.
An even worse problem-- if you are underwater, and have water in your nose. You won't feel gravity telling you which way to go to get out, but I think gravity plays a big role in getting that water out of your nose... I don't think anyone has ever tried swimming in zero gravity. After all water is pretty damn heavy, too expensive to fire enough of it into space...
Anyway, if you did have a pool, you would want to simulate gravity with centrifugal force (sp?). Remember Ender's Game and 2001?
My first reaction was "WHAT!?!? NCs!?!? Didn't everyone see how stupid NCs are?" But apparently not only does that not matter, no, not everyone did see it that way. After a few minutes, I realized: As long as it's not Microsoft, although it's not the best they could have done, its a great step in the right direction. No, it won't educate the children about *nix. Nor will it educate them about Windows (they'll more than likely learn that at home...). But they will learn that M$ is not the only way!! I think its great and the school/district should get applause for not succumbing to the M-beast.
(Pardon my speeling, I'm taking care of the kids and they're beating on my kb.)
Does anyone here know exactly (or roughly) how much schools are getting? (Like per student, or something?) I'm not suggesting it is low or high, I've never seen real figures.
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After all of these years and all of the books we've read an all of the movies we've seen we should know by now that "the government"'s intention is not to help people, but to bow to special interest groups. Do you know how powerful the APA (American Psychiatric Association) is in Washington? How about the drug companies?
If the 'public' doesn't have to pay for Psychiatric care, and the government will pay for it, what will happen? People will be committed and drugged against their will while the government pays for it. It already happens with health insurance and Medicare. There were a few stories this year about it on the news.
This is the goal of the lobbyists who want more money for the 'poor people' who are ill. Ill by the standards of the people who stand to profit from the money that will come down the pipe.
What about the millions of Americans who are paying taxes? We already pay more than a third of our earnings on the average to the government, what more do they want!?!
It's worse than profiling. It's sticking people with labels so that you can make money off of 'treating' them.
Are any readers from contries that already have a policy such as this on mental health? What's happening there?
ROFL!!!
Quake3Arena and Unreal Tournament are network games. You play against other people over a modem or other Internet/LAN connection.
Networking is extremely cheap. An Ethernet card can run you about $30 US. An 8-port (cheap) 10Base-T hub can run you about $40. Cat-5 wiring is cheap. If DSL or cable modems are available in your area, those are fairly inexpensive extremely fast Internet connections (my ADSL 768k Down/384K up costs me $39/mo in Cincinnati). If all else fails, dial up.
If you mean by the association with DIVX that the maker of the game charges you for playing, that (as far as I know) hasn't happened and hasn't been proposed. If you purchase the game you can run a server for it and anyone else who purchased the game can connect to it to play. If you download the "free" version, you are simply restricted to the demonstration levels.
It doesn't seem that Dell is at fault here. If they applied a virus pattern file update last Thursday (Nov-11) and detected the virus, it makes complete sense. The virus was added to Network Associates' (McAfee's) list on Nov-9. Which means that two days after the virus was identified by the anti-virus community (and probably the very next pattern file update), Dell found it in their systems. Per the page at NAI, the virus is detected by the pattern file due out today.
This doesn't seem to be something we can blame Dell for.
I went to EPCOT for one afternoon/evening with my family a couple of weeks ago. I had gone there about ten years ago and as a child was impressed by the "futuristic" things (they still were, kinda). One of the things that I really wanted to see was the Innoventions area, which had alot of really cools things in it to do. It now consists of the following:
IBM's "Future of the Internet": Two buttons, it plays you pre-made video of the "site" you choose - one or the other (gives you two random selections). A chilling thought that that is where IBM wants the Internet to go in that direction. The only "breakthrough" was that the display was a bowl, and you had a piece of glass in front of you that filtered out all of the projected images to show you only your own. After my son and I left it, I asked him what he thought and he said that it ignored what button he pressed. I had the same problem.
Monsanto's "Our Planet?" Something about nature, with many plants, and a tunnel that you crawl through to look at termites, ants, and things with a magnifying glass. Monsanto is, of course, the manufacturer of Bovine Growth Hormone, and seeds that are genetically engineered to not reproduce.
Sega's Dreamcast area, where you can play on one of the 50 Dreamcasts with flat screen monitors. Lots of fun.
There was more. We left. I and my son were fairly disenchanted by the experience.
Um, http://www.leonidslive.com/. Its from NASA. But it just says "Webcast", it doesn't say whether it will be multicast or even what type of stream it will be. You have to wait until the last minute to find out. Oh well...
They seem to like to bundle in multiple issues that may be somehow related. I seem to remember a few other bills that were opposed because of one particular issue on it, while the rest of it was good. Other issues have passed, but had an item appended to them that caused problems down the road. My thought it this:
They can cause a bill to not be passed by appending an issue that is worse than if the bill is not passed, in order to keep the bill from passing.
They can append issues that otherwise would not be passed, to a bill that will pass, thereby making law something that noone wants.
By 'they' I wonder who I'm speaking of. "The man?" Hmmm.
After reading the article, I still don't understand why anyone would oppose this.
It seems like if the politicians don't have a backwards stance on something, they don't think they're doing their job.
My friends also said that nobody who worked for PB would ever actually own a PB computer.
And who can blame 'em? We (at work) own a ton of Gateway's and Dell's and when you talk to tech support (usually for Windows) they are quick to brag about the [Dell/Gateway] model they have at home. (After you start bragging about the one you bought.) If an employee of a PC company is willing to purchase one from their employer, you know the quality is high (or maybe the price was right...). Hmmm.
Hey-- me too! I have a Presario 486DX2-66 without a monitor that I keep in a corner of the basement running Linux, and use it for trying new things-- it even runs q3test server sometimes. I also have a PB 486DX2-66 that does the same things-- but it has useless SIMM sockets, a soldered 486 chip so that it can't be upgraded, and an overdesigned case that makes it hell to change anything in it...
A wonderful idea. You didn't mention how beneficial it could be for developers/programmers to find useful ideas and information so that they can use and expand on them. Considering the amount of software, most notably open source/free software being written, it could help the (forgive me for being so bold...) world!
This movement would need someone to lead it in the sense that Linus does--start it, guide it, and let others take over parts of it. There has to be some entity (person or group) who has control in the beginning, getting things going. Sounds real fundamental, but who's gonna do it?
If you read the page written by the hacker who cracked the box, you would know that the exploit was in the CGI script(s), not the OS. Everything else is moot!
Yes, ZD should have applied the patches. But what good would it have done?
There's no question! The way I understand it, US government employees can procure an NT server with out extra approval, but if they want to get something else (and I believe that includes *any* competing software) they have to go through many more levels of approval.
Anyone have first-hand experience of this?
Ya ya, another reply to myself, but... when I said we couldn't talk to anyone for 18 months, I meant noone called us back. Our salesrep was gone, each time they game us a name, they left or were transferred... Fortunately the voice service stayed running for the most part, we just couldn't get anything changed.
And don't even get me started on the wierdness of what the MCI/WorldCom merger did to my frame relay service: My service was "given" to Cable & Wireless, 'cause MCI/WorldCom could no longer be the "internet" business (I had my internet over it). But the Remote LAN Dial service that is also on that frame relay connection is still owned by MCI/WorldCom. If it stops working, who gets called? Who is responsible? Oh and did I mention that the T-1 the frame relay is on is provided by MCI WorldCom, and delivered to the building by Cincinnati Bell? Three friggin companies that will blame each other.
This is kinda off topic, but you see a result of their last merger...
When MCI and WorldCom merged, my company couldn't talk to anyone for a full 18 months!! We signed a three-year contract in April 1997, so we can't change services until next April. We've been taking bids and MCI seems to have the absolute worst pricing...
But what about the MCI frame relay outage? A full week, and they continued to lie to their customers about it! "It'll be back up in an hour," when they knew they had lost a major piece of equipment!
I'll go with *anyone* but MCI, and until today, that included Sprint!
This is not good news for any company that would like to enjoy good service at a competitive price.
The telecomm industry is weird (though no weirder than other industries, I'm sure...)-- here's a good example:
Cincinnati Bell, formerly owned by "Bell" (along with Bell Labs, AT&T, et al), now independant. Owns Cincinnati Bell Telephone (CBT), a local telephone company. Also owns Cincinnati Bell Long Distance (CBLD), a long distance carrier competing in some cities (including Cincinnati) with AT&T.
CBT has a relationship with AT&T, and shares switches with them. Also uses AT&T's wireless PCS network, providing national coverage. If you call AT&T for long distance service, the salesrep will hand you a card with Cincinnati Bell's logo on it, as well as AT&T's. CBLD bought IXE, and can now offer frame relay and dedicated long distance services in many major cities.
If you call CBT, they'll recommend AT&T for LD service. CBT can't provide long distance service (though most Local Exchange Carriers can nowadays) because of their relationship with ATT. ATT can't provide local service correctly-- if someone wants to call you, they'll have to dial 1-NXX-NXX-XXXX, and pay long distance charges for a local call!
WEIRD!
Sure they haven't spent a whole lot of $$$ on the 4.x line since the Mozilla project began, but why should they?
/. a few have mentioned the mess in that codebase and noone has said otherwise.
I agree. My point exactly. But this doesn't change the number of users complaining about stability.
You have to keep in mind these (4.5 on, or so- I forget...) are for the most part maintenance/ security fix releases. It would be foolish to attempt to rewrite major parts of the code, such as the rendering engine, multiple POP mailboxes, better CSS support- the list goes on...
I beg to differ. It would be a good idea to fix the stability problems, whether or not that involves rewriting a large portion of the code. They're BUGS!
No investment to lose? I beg to differ. While for home users the product is free, it sure isn't for the corporate client.
Ah yes, corporate users. Alot of corporate users are using M$ everything, including IE. Not alot of corporate clients use *nix, from what I understand. I think knowing the real numbers would help.
And Mozilla? Cut them some slack. Is the code even alpha yet?
Okay, okay, but from previous discussions on
I think that they have not spent much money on the browser development since IE made it so big. They obviously have real problems like PNG and CSS that they haven't fixed. I think they're done spending big money on the product, since it is free.
Why won't they just GPL it, do they think they have some real investment to LOSE!?!? They already lost it when they made the client free!
And Mozilla's not quite the same as just making the Netscape codebase open. Isn't Mozilla a ground-up rewrite? And a buggy one at that!
This is not _really_ a troll. Netscape has some major issues that need to be fixed. I switched to IE on my Win systems because of them. Lockups, wierd connection problems, cache problems. I support hundreds of users. We started with Netscape 3.13 and moved up, now we're on IE4 (buggy, but not in the same areas).
I really hope that they can get the quality of the interface up for Netscape 5.
And personally, I really hate the Motif widget set. I wish they would use an open widget set that's not as clunky.
Remember how Quake3Test was released? Linux, then Mac, then Win. Why? Smallest number of users first. Even though IE has infiltrated the Netscape user base, I think that the Windows users of Netscape still outnumber the other platforms (I have no data on this, please correct me if I am wrong).
So it makes sense to release it for *nix first. The user base is more technical and smaller, they will find all the juicy "issues" quickly and fix them for 4.71 before they release for Windiots.
I agree wholeheartedly... I love new releases. And considering how long its been since 4.6, that means they fixed a whole lot right?
Do I hear Homer?
1. Are you saying both RH and Debian are not "real" distros?
B. Telling someone they have to compile Netscape is like telling them to compile Windoze.
III. Using RPM is very convenient and clean, allowing you to keep all the files in the standard locations (as long as the creator uses them), and upgrade a package with ease.
4. Don't be troll.
An even worse problem-- if you are underwater, and have water in your nose. You won't feel gravity telling you which way to go to get out, but I think gravity plays a big role in getting that water out of your nose...
I don't think anyone has ever tried swimming in zero gravity. After all water is pretty damn heavy, too expensive to fire enough of it into space...
Anyway, if you did have a pool, you would want to simulate gravity with centrifugal force (sp?). Remember Ender's Game and 2001?
My first reaction was "WHAT!?!? NCs!?!? Didn't everyone see how stupid NCs are?" But apparently not only does that not matter, no, not everyone did see it that way.
After a few minutes, I realized: As long as it's not Microsoft, although it's not the best they could have done, its a great step in the right direction.
No, it won't educate the children about *nix. Nor will it educate them about Windows (they'll more than likely learn that at home...). But they will learn that M$ is not the only way!!
I think its great and the school/district should get applause for not succumbing to the M-beast.
(Pardon my speeling, I'm taking care of the kids and they're beating on my kb.)
Does anyone here know exactly (or roughly) how much schools are getting? (Like per student, or something?)
I'm not suggesting it is low or high, I've never seen real figures.