--Geez, you and this Ultrabot troll are getting on my nerves already. He's already made my enemy list, and you're not far behind.
--Who the hell needs an interactive debugger for SHELL SCRIPTS?! The reason nobody's written one is because they're NOT NEEDED!
--If I want to "debug" a script, I just do ' set -o xtrace ' and/or ' DEBUGG=1;; if $DEBUGG echo... ' stuff where I need to see what's going on.
--Climb down off the high horses guys, shell scripts work fine where Python, et al (not to mention an interactive debugger -- sheesh! Ars-Fartsica $crack-pipe!) would be complete overkill.
> BTW, you can't honestly tell me you ENJOY programming in straight bash?!?!?
--Yes. Yes, I do. And as a result I've been able to help ppl out on message boards that want to do $thing, and I can quickly supply them with a ready-made bash script that implements $thing quite nicely.
--Isn't that code fragment the same as doing a ' killall '?
--On the other hand: > I walked into our office one day and heard my buddy Paul talking to somebody on the phone about the problem. When he hung up I asked who he was talking to. He'd decided to just call Bell Labs and asked for David Korn to ask why he used a file lock on the history file. He got through to him and David said it just seemed like a good idea at the time. We changed the three initial corp's flagship posix product's ksh implementation to not use flock and I believe it's the same way today.
--Equilibrium was a great, underrated movie. Recommended for everyone who liked the original Matrix.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/
--Sean Bean's almost-cameo performance was a pleasant surprise after seeing him as the villain in Goldeneye, and then as Boromir in LOTR. Nothing wrong with his previous work, but it was a definite departure from his "usual" characters.
o Pippi Longstocking - haven't seen the movie but I LOVED the book when I was a kid
o +1 Voltron reference -- I used to watch the show growing up, and actually made (from scratch) a text-based game on a TI-99/4A 'way back in the day where you could type "FORM BLAZING SWORD" - it was an interactive adventure. Man I wish I still had the source code for that... Lost to time I guess, it was stored on cassette tape.
--Dude, that 1 post alone was almost enough to put you on my Friends list from sheer nostalgia.:)
"For Francis, this legal trouble is in addition to the 22 counts of racketeering, drugs and other illegal activities he has been charged with in Panama City, Florida.5 If convicted, he faces a possible 30 years in prison. Police raided a condo rented by Mantra this past April and seized 175 hours of footage from spring break parties. Parents have complained that their underage daughters were told to say they were over 18 on camera, and prosecutors say the footage contains alleged minors performing sex acts." == http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA493.html
"These videos are known for what the girls reveal to the camera, but the makers of "Girls Gone Wild" are being sued for what they didn't reveal to their customers. The marketers of Girls Gone Wild videos and DVDs are in trouble with the law again. But this time it's not over the video's content, but how it's distributed. "The problem here is consumers buy one tape and find that they're signed up for a tape of the month club and find that they never authorized and they never knew about it," said Howard Beales of the Federal Trade Commission." == http://www.kirotv.com/weblinks/2712304/detail.html
--Honestly, I *really* don't see the big deal about GGW. Strictly low-class operation, the execs even got into some legal trouble a while back (possibly underage "models" in the shoots, I don't recall.)
> As far as reliability -- you're just plain wrong. CD-R's don't just die in your closet after 6-months. Something else has to happen -- like scratching from improper storage.
--I'll call bullshit on this one. I've heard of cheap CDR media dying, and AAMOF my Memorex CDRWs die after about 5-6 rewrites, even if I blank the entire disc. Cheap(er) media is more susceptible to failure, period.
--I have some old leftover CDR media that looks TRANSLUCENT after 6-8 months. When I saw that I immediately ripped it and made a backup to non-cheap media.
--In fact, optical storage in general is really *not* where it should be in terms of reliability. I just bought a DVD burner +/- capable combo drive, and the DVD-R, DVD-RW, and DVD+RW discs it's burned so far CANNOT BE READ in a DVD-ROM drive that was made in 2002(!!) (Could be the media, I bought Princo [possibly grade B] on the cheap. I'll have to experiment a bit more because I can't find a firmware update for the DVD-ROM drive and haven't tested DVD+R yet. But the whole situation sucks if I can only read-back the discs in the original burning-drive!!)
--FYI, the Zip drive COD hasn't been a problem for years. I use USB Zip-100, IDE Zip-100, and **original parallel-port** Zip-100 drives for critical backups (/etc,/root, et al) of my Linux boxes, and haven't had a drive or disk fail yet. Some of the disks have been reformatted from sda4 to sda1 and use ext2 filesystems, as well. At least one of the parallel drives is from when the tech was first introduced (1994?) and it's still ticking along just fine.
--The number of computers that actually support booting from a bootable USB key is *vanishingly* small compared to the number of "legacy" PCs that DON'T.
--Linux is complete overkill for BIOS flashing, all you should need is something like FreeDos and a floppy drive.
Slashdot Mirror
--Geez, you and this Ultrabot troll are getting on my nerves already. He's already made my enemy list, and you're not far behind.
;; if $DEBUGG echo ... ' stuff where I need to see what's going on.
--Who the hell needs an interactive debugger for SHELL SCRIPTS?! The reason nobody's written one is because they're NOT NEEDED!
--If I want to "debug" a script, I just do ' set -o xtrace ' and/or ' DEBUGG=1
--Climb down off the high horses guys, shell scripts work fine where Python, et al (not to mention an interactive debugger -- sheesh! Ars-Fartsica $crack-pipe!) would be complete overkill.
--Thanks for the link. An important point that he makes:
"Anything that can be done with the GUI should be able to be done without the GUI via scripting."
--Veryvery important to remember; if you don't have a GUI for whatever reason, you should still be able to get things done.
> BTW, you can't honestly tell me you ENJOY programming in straight bash?!?!?
--Yes. Yes, I do. And as a result I've been able to help ppl out on message boards that want to do $thing, and I can quickly supply them with a ready-made bash script that implements $thing quite nicely.
--Isn't that code fragment the same as doing a ' killall '?
--On the other hand:
> I walked into our office one day and heard my buddy Paul talking to somebody on the phone about the problem. When he hung up I asked who he was talking to. He'd decided to just call Bell Labs and asked for David Korn to ask why he used a file lock on the history file. He got through to him and David said it just seemed like a good idea at the time. We changed the three initial corp's flagship posix product's ksh implementation to not use flock and I believe it's the same way today.
+1 Awesome Anecdote
--Everclear knows - they become Volvo-driving soccer moms!
r iv ingsoccermom.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/everclear/volvod
+2 Two Fantastic Trolls ;-)
--Equilibrium was a great, underrated movie. Recommended for everyone who liked the original Matrix.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/
--Sean Bean's almost-cameo performance was a pleasant surprise after seeing him as the villain in Goldeneye, and then as Boromir in LOTR. Nothing wrong with his previous work, but it was a definite departure from his "usual" characters.
o Talking Heads ROCKS
:)
o Pippi Longstocking - haven't seen the movie but I LOVED the book when I was a kid
o +1 Voltron reference -- I used to watch the show growing up, and actually made (from scratch) a text-based game on a TI-99/4A 'way back in the day where you could type "FORM BLAZING SWORD" - it was an interactive adventure. Man I wish I still had the source code for that... Lost to time I guess, it was stored on cassette tape.
--Dude, that 1 post alone was almost enough to put you on my Friends list from sheer nostalgia.
--BTW, here are some links:
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"For Francis, this legal trouble is in addition to the 22 counts of racketeering, drugs and other illegal activities he has been charged with in Panama City, Florida.5 If convicted, he faces a possible 30 years in prison. Police raided a condo rented by Mantra this past April and seized 175 hours of footage from spring break parties. Parents have complained that their underage daughters were told to say they were over 18 on camera, and prosecutors say the footage contains alleged minors performing sex acts." == http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA493.html
"These videos are known for what the girls reveal to the camera, but the makers of "Girls Gone Wild" are being sued for what they didn't reveal to their customers. The marketers of Girls Gone Wild videos and DVDs are in trouble with the law again. But this time it's not over the video's content, but how it's distributed. "The problem here is consumers buy one tape and find that they're signed up for a tape of the month club and find that they never authorized and they never knew about it," said Howard Beales of the Federal Trade Commission." == http://www.kirotv.com/weblinks/2712304/detail.htm
--How... Tasteless.
--Honestly, I *really* don't see the big deal about GGW. Strictly low-class operation, the execs even got into some legal trouble a while back (possibly underage "models" in the shoots, I don't recall.)
+1 LOL after reading that article
"Wink wink, nudge nudge..." /python
--Are there any FreeBSD live-cd's available?
--Is there a HOWTO for this? If not, could you write how you did it? (Please??)
> I have once installed Debian over ssh, after I got the owner of the box to boot Knoppix.
+1 Cool Hack
--Huzzah to you sir, you do my sig proud. :)
> I'm surprised the Linux community hasn't developed a "downgrade" tool for *BSD (etc.) to pop Linux back on a system posessed by the Daemon! ;-)
--Just wait about a week... Somebody will doubtless code this to one-up the BSD folks!
--Ah, the good old Volvo-driving soccermoms. *coughMILFcough*
r iv ingsoccermom.html
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/everclear/volvod
--Yes. In fact I've successfully made a bootable DVD using a standard Knoppix ISO. YMMV.
> As far as reliability -- you're just plain wrong. CD-R's don't just die in your closet after 6-months. Something else has to happen -- like scratching from improper storage.
/root, et al) of my Linux boxes, and haven't had a drive or disk fail yet. Some of the disks have been reformatted from sda4 to sda1 and use ext2 filesystems, as well. At least one of the parallel drives is from when the tech was first introduced (1994?) and it's still ticking along just fine.
--I'll call bullshit on this one. I've heard of cheap CDR media dying, and AAMOF my Memorex CDRWs die after about 5-6 rewrites, even if I blank the entire disc. Cheap(er) media is more susceptible to failure, period.
--I have some old leftover CDR media that looks TRANSLUCENT after 6-8 months. When I saw that I immediately ripped it and made a backup to non-cheap media.
--In fact, optical storage in general is really *not* where it should be in terms of reliability. I just bought a DVD burner +/- capable combo drive, and the DVD-R, DVD-RW, and DVD+RW discs it's burned so far CANNOT BE READ in a DVD-ROM drive that was made in 2002(!!) (Could be the media, I bought Princo [possibly grade B] on the cheap. I'll have to experiment a bit more because I can't find a firmware update for the DVD-ROM drive and haven't tested DVD+R yet. But the whole situation sucks if I can only read-back the discs in the original burning-drive!!)
--FYI, the Zip drive COD hasn't been a problem for years. I use USB Zip-100, IDE Zip-100, and **original parallel-port** Zip-100 drives for critical backups (/etc,
--The number of computers that actually support booting from a bootable USB key is *vanishingly* small compared to the number of "legacy" PCs that DON'T.
--Linux is complete overkill for BIOS flashing, all you should need is something like FreeDos and a floppy drive.
--I'm just curious, did you notify them of the fix?
"What About Bob?"
:b
Parent +1 Mods On Crack, this post is not Offtopic
> and 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot
--Actually it's more like 92%, but that's just a WHAG**.
** Wild Hairy-Assed Guess