I programmed in BASIC, Pascal, C before I was 12 and later C++ (and a masochistic teacher gave me a fortran book, but I dropped that after chapter 2) - all before the age of 17
I'm dropping my ability to mod this discussion because you just made my day. My understanding of what you just wrote says that you felt FORTRAN was hard....worse then C++. Wow...wait, let me just enjoy the moment...sniff...my first langauge was FORTRAN, well C, no... RatFor, oh hell we did all three in my CS class. That was before the good professor threw sorts at us in three different languages and asked us to trace the flow and record the output (if I remember, Ada, COBOL, PL/1)
I read this tripe where programmers bash this language vs that language. Pearl is the bomb, No Ruby is the way, wait Java is the Bible and VB is for babies or... what was the expression...code monkeys.
Crikey!
I begin to see why geeks have a hard time getting dates, we are too picky. Now me, I like Programming. Sure I have my comfort languages, but I just like to code, create. Given a choice, and for what I do I tend toward those enviroments that get the job done, but I appreciate that each langauge has it's own set of good and bad.
Now for programmers, Mr. "I love Pearl" and his code looks like crap does nothing for the language. Readability has purpose not just for the next person that comes along, but for the neophite that wants to gain knowledge in a new language. it is not the damn OS, it is not the language, it is how we present those tools. Frankly, most Linux users do a poor job of presently Linux to the world (though in the last year it has been better). When I, a many year vet of the programming world asked for help in a language I was not comfortable in got a "wtf, noob...look it up..." answer...not a shining example of how to promote a language.
On point? at 12,learning x languages puts you more above the curve, less on the average. A good thing for you, but do not hold against those that need to start out with something simple, something basic, something that helps them build a solid foundation of thinking and programming.
... There are some serious architectual flaws in the whole attempt to integrate OLE/OCX with web pages and services (including support of archaec pre-web stuff.) Extended clip board support... Complexity injected via SOAP/XSL...
So please qualify "best". Because its not reduced complexity, increased quality, best reliablity, best scalability, best security, shortest delivery time, easy integration, or fastest performance...
In principle I agree that best is subjective. Good, robust are still subjective but more palatable to the environment. No surprise that VS integrates well with MS products. When you own space on most of the PCs in the world there is less concern about integrating with other worlds that MS did not create.
I also agree that they do a lousy job working in the "newer" technologies (Web Services, SOAP, XML, XSL etc), but then there are not many that do any better. Those are moving targets compared to mature platforms like Office or languages like VC++, VB, Java (J++), and even C#. As a developer I am swamped with the number of protocols, methods, standards, languages that are available and constantly changing today. No IDE can manage to keep up, but VS does still offer much more ease then others (I've used Eclipse and NetBeans for Java). Web Services becomes "manageable" with VS.net and web references, putting the wrapper around the detail I don't want to deal with on a daily basis.
Maybe VS is not the best, certainly it could do more, but it is a very useful tool when developing in those languages it covers. Without a doubt, the help facility sucks. Even the MSDN website is bad. If I ever need questions answered when developing I turn to Google and the web. the only thing I've found useful with MSDN Help documentation is files packaged with products or current downloads. Perhaps that is MS plan all along. Writing help costs money so dump that onto the community at large. Last time I bought a set of reference books from MS was for VB 6. After that it went down hill.
I think I am a half decent programmer and I cannot imagine trying to program using a text editor today. Sure, I could write a program that way, go through the command line to compile and run my multi-form, Relational based business application.
Then I try to explain to my boss why the job is taking twice as long. First point, management wants the job done now, not later. As a developer in a corporation I do not have the luxury of time. I need to get the job done as best as I can within a time frame agreed between me and management. A good IDE like VS allows me the ability to produce quality code in less production time because it manages the mundane better, like the difference between a hammer and a box of nails and an air gun and a nail strip. Both get the job done; I'll take the air gun when there are lots of nails to hammer.
Second point, a good IDE takes away the need to memorize all the differences in languages these days. I write in vb.net and C#.net. While similar, they are different enough in syntax and semantics that it is nice that the IDE handles the chore of setting up the completion of the line. A good IDE with typeahead stops me from having to looking up the obscure or less used methods and properties for a class. Perhaps if I worked in Java for 5 years I could spit out chapter and verse on the class tree, but switching between multiple languages I am happy to have an interpreter take some of the burden off of my mind.
When I started programming all we had were text editors. COBOL, Transact, FORTRAN; none of these came with a nice wrapper for development and as such I became subject expert in them over time. That time was years. Back to management, I do not have years any more to become an expert, I am asked "Can you develop this app in this language, and can you do it by this time". Personally, the whole multi-verse language world we develop in sucks. I was happy with my one of two expert fields. I have learned to adapt, to accept that I need to work across multiple platforms, multiple languages. The good IDE makes that possible. Programming using a text editor has nothing to do with the quality of programming. Given a choice, I would take even a half working Free IDE then using a text editor again. Since I have it even better, a free but slower IDE for Java and a costly but full featured IDE for.net I will gladly pass along vi, notepad, editlite for your development enjoyment.
Insulting people with comments like "half decent programmer" does nothing to give credibility to your arguments. It is a biased, emotional statement that does wonders for flame, but does not contribute to the discussion as a whole. Perhaps your point was:
Coding in the Linux environment is challenging and at times may require using a text editor. Since you do not like to use that method then you may limit your options for what can be developed and what language you develop in.
See, makes you point about text editors, makes a positive statement about developing on Linux, and does not insult people. Practice positive writing sometime, people will listen.
I read that and I hear, very faint, "resistance is futile, you will be assimulated." Is this not the pattern; "Hey, let's be buddies", soon followed by "How's that knife I stuck in your back feeling?".
I have been a lifelong user and developer on MS, but it is not to say I would trust them ever in business. In the last year I've started to gain ground on understanding Linux and though I have my gripes, I do find a lot of positives. MS does not innovate their way to success, they acquire it or bury it. So, perhaps a side complement to Linux, but I'd just as soon see them run away, run away!
What an amazing thing...providing a tool to the americna public (and the world) that our congress wonks could actually use. Of course they may have to learn how to operate a PC and an browser application.
(First post?)
"No need to scold me for pointing out that it's not. " Point taken. I think it is a case of the slashdot summary not balanced with the article or web site...who could imagine that on slashdot:-) sorry for the wrong tone of my written voice.
it wouldn't be/. if we all did not RTFA every now and then. I agree about the summary, but the main point is when us travelers see a difference between actual vs. print we try to help correct the print. It has been a little bit since I roamed, but now I may keep my attention on wifi at airports, test the guide and send an update so to help others. Safe travels.
Did you tell them? (the guide people) http://www.travelpost.com/contact.aspx. Like Wiki it is through input from people on the front line that can help tighten the accuracy of the guide. Don't just say "that's not right" unless you follow it up with and I'll let them know. Who knows, maybe they don't have time to read slashdot like you and I
That's great to know. Have you told the guide people yet?
From their site:
Methodology The information in this chart was collected and compiled by TravelPost.com's editorial team. All information was accurate at time of publication, but providers and airports may change their pricing at any time. Pricing and coverage area information presented here was obtained from the service providers' web sites, supplied by the service providers' official representatives or confirmed directly with airport personnel. This chart will be updated periodically to maintain accuracy. Please send us any updates, corrections or additional information.
Thus their reference to "guide" and not "Perfect list of costs". tell them http://www.travelpost.com/contact.aspx so they can check out the information, change the guide, and improve the service. If you don't bother to let them know please stop tossing comments "not completely accurate". Perhaps a more helpful approach would be a titled "Hey guys, SNA needs to be updated, $$$$" or something to help make a better product.
An Internet Day Pass (for users with no WISP account) is $6.95, payable by credit card through this network.
From the Guide:
Chicago O'Hare ORD Concourse - $6.95 - Terminal 1's Concourses B & C, Terminal 2's Concourses E & F, Terminal 3's Concourses H & K Rosemont hotels
Boingo - $9.95 $21.95 Concourses B & C in Terminal 1, Concourses E & F in Terminal 2, Concourses H & K in Terminal 3
From your post:
I'm pretty sure I paid $6.95 last time I was there (August).
So, the airport web site mentions $6.95, the guide site mentions $6.95, and you got charged $6.95. How is the guide wrong again? No disrespect, but that is a bold assertion based on one experience in one airport.
Now, perhaps it may have been better for the folks at airport wireless guide to state "Pricing is subject to change without notice" somewhere yet i figure that is a reasonable default to take when looking at pricing on line. I noticed that the $10 charge was for a different section of the airport. If you had to advertise a cost which would you state, the low one or high one.
In the last year I have flown through GSP, OKC, ORD, CVG, LGA, and ATL. The guide was spot on for which airport charged versus free service. They may have been off on price, but I did not check for I agree with the OP that if Paneras can offer free service, certainly a major airport can as well. But that is what is great about America, the bigger you are are more you can turn the screws on public.
So, do not jump to conclusions without a little more in-depth research or experience. Beyond that, be safe traveling.
of course. i did not want to get into a listing of ways how to get "unlost" in a forest. I am not a big fan of checking for moss, but it is an option. I'd rather find running water. then I have a hydration source and if I follow it down stream a hopeful discovery of civilization. With all that said, IANABS (boy scout) so i try to avoid getting lost in the first place. Better chance of survival for me:-)
The phrasology may be off, but the sentiment is there. Having hiked in the woods on an overcast day it is very difficult to make out where the sun is. The light is very diffuse and omni-directional. I agree though that "nothing to make shadows with" is not the best way to express diffused light.
Nothing is black and white here. the original post responses that he doesn't drive fancy cars, doesn't live in a fancy home and three kids may be tough, but doable on an average income. Is he and his family "forced" to live in NJ? Of course not, but where does he go? perhaps he has lived in that region for years, established friends, family lives near by. is it that easy to up and leave such a support group?
I also agree 9for I have seen this first hand) the rise of housing costs squeeze familes that in trying to find a better home for thier kids have Lady and the Tiger choices of low cost, bad neighborhood or higher cost, more comfortable neighborhood. it does not help that local, state governments rise taxes disguised as fees or rates and the populus has little control in the decision making.
However, if thhis man continues working that hard then one day he will wonder what happened to the relationships around him. Why are the children not as communicative as they were, why is the wife looking bored and distracted when he is interested in bed room fun. Working for short periods to get a aleg on a better life is understandable. Working for years at that rate at the expense of family; one has to begin to weigh in on the question, "Am I forced to Live in NJ". I left Delaware for parts south and have only looked back because of friends. Otherwise I am thankful I left a high paying job fgor a less paying job, but more time in my life for life.
No, it is not black and white statements when talking about life issues once you have really begun to live life. I do know this, family is worth more then any job, and no job or life style should be the root cause of problems in the family. Before they gain root, it is time to look around.
Having just gone through a company forced seminar on data security and what not to allow outside the wall of the building, the missing link in the release of this tool is security. Many of the users of Excel are corporate employees or business owners. As one of the corporate un-washed mass I tried out googlesheets using made up data, then an existing spreadsheet. Only after I opened the file did I remember to ask the question, where is this data going? When tried a save I noticed that it was not saving to my local disc as default, but to a remote server.
In my test case I did not use a file that had sensitive data, but I did start to ponder the question of how secure is the data I save. if governments can troll for data then what protects any data I store outside my business laptop or desktop? While the spreadsheet is an amazing tool for personal use, it would take but one leak, one crack which leaks even seemingly innocent company data to kill this as a viable web tool. Were Google to offer strong encryption as default then I would feel better about using this web tool (or any other) to share and access data on field trips, or when working with teams across the country. Till then, as per our company policy I will continue to utilize client based office tools, email sensitive files with encryption, or use sneaker mail.
As to Google's effort I say kudos. Of course it does not have all functionality out of the box, but it is better then the other web based, server-side excel like application out there.....Oh that's right, there was none. A great tool that will only get better, and when they can secure the data to the level that companies will trust, they *will* get the strong attention of Microsoft who has fattened on the Corporate largesse resulting from over-charging MS Office. In fact, if Google would sell or charge a corporation to run googlesheets from inside a corporate WAN/LAN at a competitive price, if Google provided 90% of the functionality that current excel users in corporate world use, if upgrades occurred in one spot not across countless workstations, and they did this at a cost the was drastically less then a Corporate License from MS for office....game over.
Having just read Brave New World I feel that the American society is heading that direction. I feel you simplified the caste description however. Huxley describes a few times how the caste system came to be, but the gist is that humans (in his world) are bred to their position. While they get a ration of Soma, mainly they are conditioned to accept their position in society. During the gestastion period the embryos are subjected to stimulus that will better adapt them to the part they will play when born. After birth they are continually emmersed in teaching and phyco-babble that re-enforces their future role in society. While the lower castes Soma intake is regulated, I found it interesting that the higher castes A A+ were more prone to abuse.
In Huxley's world, humankind had finally reached a balance (good or bad depending on how you look at it) where all but a very few were accepting of their life because that was all they knew. Lower people did not want to rule, rulers did not want to work. If I was to extend that world into the future I would see a slow decline in mankind to possible extinction. If randomness and natural selection are bred out then when a outside force (a meteor for example) comes along the masses will be wiped out, the rulers will not have the ability to perform the tasks needed to keep the society alive. I think back to Logan's Run; at the end of the movie all these beautiful people left the city, but what I thought was "What will they do now?" Die mostly, because they have no idea how to survive in a harsh world.
Anyway, it was interesting to see someone bring up Huxley in this context.
It took a little while for me to catch on, but a pattern did seem to develop. That anyone could take this serious as it relates to Google suggests either as one who would latch on to anything anti-Google, or one who did not read far enough into the diatribe.
For example, substitute the phrase "the Bush Administration" or "the administration" or Hussain, or "the regime" and the ranting makes equal sense. There is no depth to the rambling though the buzz words had more meaning when put into a political perspective.
if this is the work of a random "rant" generator then kudos to the programmer for effort. I would pair down the paragraph size and work to make the ranting more poignant. I would have almost seen this as modded funny or interesting, but in the end it took up space and said nothing. Maybe a future political speach writer in the making.
I had a tough choice to Mod Up or comment. I hope someone else will give +mod for an insightful comment. I agree, for even as an adult I would enjoy playing those types of "games". Even better, as a programmer I would love to write them, but lack the physics (even Newtonian) to master the code.
I loved Physics in High School, wanted to major in physics in college, but after half a semester I understood I was not cut out for that science. Instead I found my passion in programming and have made a good career in it for years. I still am fascinated by physics and at times have tried to write programs that would simulate trying to land on a planet (I know it's been done, but I wanted to write my own), or fire projectiles at each other (same as before), or duplicate a very cool game I remember from my HP3000 days where a missile was fired from a spaceship and you have to gauge the gravitational effects of "planets" as it bent the missile's path toward the enemy ship.
Well all this memory rambling is meant to say that if you know the formulas then write the programs you mentioned and broadcast them on the web. If you don't know how to program but know the formulas post them on the web so guys like me can write a program. Hell it took me half a day of mental wrangling and searching to get my firing a projectile program to work. I got mired in the end by trying to figure out how to take into effect mass/weight/density when the same force is applied.
Anyway, great thoughts; just take it the next step and inspire someone to help write those programs, submit them to NASA and show them how much better they will be then trivia games.
I may be one of the few "nerds" that missed this the first time around. Having seen the end result my first thought is that I think the three miscreants that made the video public do need to be punished in some way. Since this is not a criminal act then civil damages because I figure the parents of the three children have not taught such strange concepts like respect and care of others.
On the other hand, having watched some ofthe resulting videos, chuckling at the creative way the raw footage was altered I would hope the parants this youm man woudl show him that even from initial tragedy, something positive and good can come in the end. Not in the monetary reward, but that his acts inspired others to create, adapt and enhance the original playfulness of the SWK.
As a parent of TSWK I'd want retribution to hopefully show those dimbulbs (and their parents) that making fun of people (by releaseing the video) costs. Time to pay. At the same time I would teach my own child to be strong enough to laugh with one's self. To help him grow the inner character needed along a long hard path of life. 10 years from now it would be great to read that TSWK lost the extra pounds, graduated from a top school, and hired the three amigoes to cut the lwan of his well kept McMansion.
I really loved the Drunken Jedi. Reminded me of the times I enjoyed watching bad Kungfu movies where the best fighter was an old drunken monk. Enjoy the money SWK, but even better, use it to grow the inner self.
"So much for my opinion. But (in my opinion!) it's alot less biased than his."
Really?
"tools for the braindead like VB and it's ilk..." "To the average idiot, buying Windows and Symantec's security suite..."
Hardly seems unbiased. Speaking as one of the undead developers you happen to ridicule I'd say you may have made good points, but lost it with your editorial comment about the people who use the products.
As it is, I uninstalled Symantec and installed A'vast. I turned off Windows firewall to use Zonealarm, and no operating system, even linux can get by without some type of protection. Us brain-dead idiots may not want to work so hard all the time to set up common tasks like AV or firewall proection. We may have better things to do with our zombie like exsistence then spend hours trying to command line configure/install applications.
I have been involved in the process of learning to use Linux. I admit a bias to Windows since I have worked with it since 3.0. Yet I am a fan/supporter/advocate of Linux because I also feel that we need choices in the industry. Perhaps the day more Linux users stop using terms like brain-dead and average idiot to describe Windows users and start to write simple install packages that don't require commandline typing, that start to respect new folks starting out with Linux instead of looking down from a techno-geek height, and most of all, understanding that when the majority of the population is using an Operating System, it may have something to teach developers on how to market a product.
"See, it turns out that it's just the usual sloppy work by bureaucrats who confused similar-sounding Arabic names. Joe Caucasian Liberal has nothing to fear"
and the winner is? wait, I'm sorry, I thought this was informative. As a long time MS developer (sigh, yes I can imagine the flames as I type) I really do not see the deep value of this article.
As it stands today, I have to deliver MS framework 1.x or 2.x or flipin x.x because it is not part of the basic OS. As a coporate developer I have to get our platform installers to push framework out so I dont have xx mg added to my installs. What would be the miracle would be that MS actually implemented an OS that had all the damn components in place (gasp) like it use to be, instead of today were I need to tell users to upgrade to FW then install the app. I try to stay within the envelope, it is MS that keeps changing the edges. How about getting back to basics where the OS, when released had it all.
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Seems recursive to me. If run it you may fill up the void with light.......God? Is that you?
I'm dropping my ability to mod this discussion because you just made my day. My understanding of what you just wrote says that you felt FORTRAN was hard....worse then C++. Wow...wait, let me just enjoy the moment...sniff...my first langauge was FORTRAN, well C, no... RatFor, oh hell we did all three in my CS class. That was before the good professor threw sorts at us in three different languages and asked us to trace the flow and record the output (if I remember, Ada, COBOL, PL/1)
I read this tripe where programmers bash this language vs that language. Pearl is the bomb, No Ruby is the way, wait Java is the Bible and VB is for babies or
Crikey!
I begin to see why geeks have a hard time getting dates, we are too picky. Now me, I like Programming. Sure I have my comfort languages, but I just like to code, create. Given a choice, and for what I do I tend toward those enviroments that get the job done, but I appreciate that each langauge has it's own set of good and bad.
Now for programmers, Mr. "I love Pearl" and his code looks like crap does nothing for the language. Readability has purpose not just for the next person that comes along, but for the neophite that wants to gain knowledge in a new language. it is not the damn OS, it is not the language, it is how we present those tools. Frankly, most Linux users do a poor job of presently Linux to the world (though in the last year it has been better). When I, a many year vet of the programming world asked for help in a language I was not comfortable in got a "wtf, noob...look it up..." answer...not a shining example of how to promote a language.
On point? at 12
Hubris is a tall cliff.
I think you got the order wrong, Start with the stiff drink, it makes the other steps go down easier.
... There are some serious architectual flaws in the whole attempt to integrate OLE/OCX with web pages and services (including support of archaec pre-web stuff.) Extended clip board support... Complexity injected via SOAP/XSL...So please qualify "best". Because its not reduced complexity, increased quality, best reliablity, best scalability, best security, shortest delivery time, easy integration, or fastest performance...
In principle I agree that best is subjective. Good, robust are still subjective but more palatable to the environment. No surprise that VS integrates well with MS products. When you own space on most of the PCs in the world there is less concern about integrating with other worlds that MS did not create.
I also agree that they do a lousy job working in the "newer" technologies (Web Services, SOAP, XML, XSL etc), but then there are not many that do any better. Those are moving targets compared to mature platforms like Office or languages like VC++, VB, Java (J++), and even C#. As a developer I am swamped with the number of protocols, methods, standards, languages that are available and constantly changing today. No IDE can manage to keep up, but VS does still offer much more ease then others (I've used Eclipse and NetBeans for Java). Web Services becomes "manageable" with VS.net and web references, putting the wrapper around the detail I don't want to deal with on a daily basis.
Maybe VS is not the best, certainly it could do more, but it is a very useful tool when developing in those languages it covers. Without a doubt, the help facility sucks. Even the MSDN website is bad. If I ever need questions answered when developing I turn to Google and the web. the only thing I've found useful with MSDN Help documentation is files packaged with products or current downloads. Perhaps that is MS plan all along. Writing help costs money so dump that onto the community at large. Last time I bought a set of reference books from MS was for VB 6. After that it went down hill.
I think I am a half decent programmer and I cannot imagine trying to program using a text editor today. Sure, I could write a program that way, go through the command line to compile and run my multi-form, Relational based business application.
.net I will gladly pass along vi, notepad, editlite for your development enjoyment.
Then I try to explain to my boss why the job is taking twice as long. First point, management wants the job done now, not later. As a developer in a corporation I do not have the luxury of time. I need to get the job done as best as I can within a time frame agreed between me and management. A good IDE like VS allows me the ability to produce quality code in less production time because it manages the mundane better, like the difference between a hammer and a box of nails and an air gun and a nail strip. Both get the job done; I'll take the air gun when there are lots of nails to hammer.
Second point, a good IDE takes away the need to memorize all the differences in languages these days. I write in vb.net and C#.net. While similar, they are different enough in syntax and semantics that it is nice that the IDE handles the chore of setting up the completion of the line. A good IDE with typeahead stops me from having to looking up the obscure or less used methods and properties for a class. Perhaps if I worked in Java for 5 years I could spit out chapter and verse on the class tree, but switching between multiple languages I am happy to have an interpreter take some of the burden off of my mind.
When I started programming all we had were text editors. COBOL, Transact, FORTRAN; none of these came with a nice wrapper for development and as such I became subject expert in them over time. That time was years. Back to management, I do not have years any more to become an expert, I am asked "Can you develop this app in this language, and can you do it by this time". Personally, the whole multi-verse language world we develop in sucks. I was happy with my one of two expert fields. I have learned to adapt, to accept that I need to work across multiple platforms, multiple languages. The good IDE makes that possible. Programming using a text editor has nothing to do with the quality of programming. Given a choice, I would take even a half working Free IDE then using a text editor again. Since I have it even better, a free but slower IDE for Java and a costly but full featured IDE for
Insulting people with comments like "half decent programmer" does nothing to give credibility to your arguments. It is a biased, emotional statement that does wonders for flame, but does not contribute to the discussion as a whole. Perhaps your point was:
Coding in the Linux environment is challenging and at times may require using a text editor. Since you do not like to use that method then you may limit your options for what can be developed and what language you develop in.
See, makes you point about text editors, makes a positive statement about developing on Linux, and does not insult people. Practice positive writing sometime, people will listen.
I read that and I hear, very faint, "resistance is futile, you will be assimulated." Is this not the pattern; "Hey, let's be buddies", soon followed by "How's that knife I stuck in your back feeling?".
I have been a lifelong user and developer on MS, but it is not to say I would trust them ever in business. In the last year I've started to gain ground on understanding Linux and though I have my gripes, I do find a lot of positives. MS does not innovate their way to success, they acquire it or bury it. So, perhaps a side complement to Linux, but I'd just as soon see them run away, run away!
What an amazing thing...providing a tool to the americna public (and the world) that our congress wonks could actually use. Of course they may have to learn how to operate a PC and an browser application. (First post?)
"No need to scold me for pointing out that it's not. " Point taken. I think it is a case of the slashdot summary not balanced with the article or web site...who could imagine that on slashdot :-) sorry for the wrong tone of my written voice.
it wouldn't be /. if we all did not RTFA every now and then. I agree about the summary, but the main point is when us travelers see a difference between actual vs. print we try to help correct the print. It has been a little bit since I roamed, but now I may keep my attention on wifi at airports, test the guide and send an update so to help others. Safe travels.
Did you tell them? (the guide people) http://www.travelpost.com/contact.aspx. Like Wiki it is through input from people on the front line that can help tighten the accuracy of the guide. Don't just say "that's not right" unless you follow it up with and I'll let them know. Who knows, maybe they don't have time to read slashdot like you and I
That's great to know. Have you told the guide people yet?
From their site:
Methodology The information in this chart was collected and compiled by TravelPost.com's editorial team. All information was accurate at time of publication, but providers and airports may change their pricing at any time. Pricing and coverage area information presented here was obtained from the service providers' web sites, supplied by the service providers' official representatives or confirmed directly with airport personnel. This chart will be updated periodically to maintain accuracy. Please send us any updates, corrections or additional information.
Thus their reference to "guide" and not "Perfect list of costs". tell them http://www.travelpost.com/contact.aspx so they can check out the information, change the guide, and improve the service. If you don't bother to let them know please stop tossing comments "not completely accurate". Perhaps a more helpful approach would be a titled "Hey guys, SNA needs to be updated, $$$$" or something to help make a better product.
From the airport web site:
An Internet Day Pass (for users with no WISP account) is $6.95, payable by credit card through this network.
From the Guide:
Chicago O'Hare
ORD Concourse - $6.95 - Terminal 1's Concourses B & C, Terminal 2's Concourses E & F, Terminal 3's Concourses H & K Rosemont hotels
Boingo - $9.95 $21.95 Concourses B & C in Terminal 1, Concourses E & F in Terminal 2, Concourses H & K in Terminal 3
From your post:
I'm pretty sure I paid $6.95 last time I was there (August).
So, the airport web site mentions $6.95, the guide site mentions $6.95, and you got charged $6.95. How is the guide wrong again? No disrespect, but that is a bold assertion based on one experience in one airport.
Now, perhaps it may have been better for the folks at airport wireless guide to state "Pricing is subject to change without notice" somewhere yet i figure that is a reasonable default to take when looking at pricing on line. I noticed that the $10 charge was for a different section of the airport. If you had to advertise a cost which would you state, the low one or high one.
In the last year I have flown through GSP, OKC, ORD, CVG, LGA, and ATL. The guide was spot on for which airport charged versus free service. They may have been off on price, but I did not check for I agree with the OP that if Paneras can offer free service, certainly a major airport can as well. But that is what is great about America, the bigger you are are more you can turn the screws on public.
So, do not jump to conclusions without a little more in-depth research or experience. Beyond that, be safe traveling.
of course. i did not want to get into a listing of ways how to get "unlost" in a forest. I am not a big fan of checking for moss, but it is an option. I'd rather find running water. then I have a hydration source and if I follow it down stream a hopeful discovery of civilization. With all that said, IANABS (boy scout) so i try to avoid getting lost in the first place. Better chance of survival for me :-)
The phrasology may be off, but the sentiment is there. Having hiked in the woods on an overcast day it is very difficult to make out where the sun is. The light is very diffuse and omni-directional. I agree though that "nothing to make shadows with" is not the best way to express diffused light.
Nothing is black and white here. the original post responses that he doesn't drive fancy cars, doesn't live in a fancy home and three kids may be tough, but doable on an average income. Is he and his family "forced" to live in NJ? Of course not, but where does he go? perhaps he has lived in that region for years, established friends, family lives near by. is it that easy to up and leave such a support group?
I also agree 9for I have seen this first hand) the rise of housing costs squeeze familes that in trying to find a better home for thier kids have Lady and the Tiger choices of low cost, bad neighborhood or higher cost, more comfortable neighborhood. it does not help that local, state governments rise taxes disguised as fees or rates and the populus has little control in the decision making.
However, if thhis man continues working that hard then one day he will wonder what happened to the relationships around him. Why are the children not as communicative as they were, why is the wife looking bored and distracted when he is interested in bed room fun. Working for short periods to get a aleg on a better life is understandable. Working for years at that rate at the expense of family; one has to begin to weigh in on the question, "Am I forced to Live in NJ". I left Delaware for parts south and have only looked back because of friends. Otherwise I am thankful I left a high paying job fgor a less paying job, but more time in my life for life.
No, it is not black and white statements when talking about life issues once you have really begun to live life. I do know this, family is worth more then any job, and no job or life style should be the root cause of problems in the family. Before they gain root, it is time to look around.
Having just gone through a company forced seminar on data security and what not to allow outside the wall of the building, the missing link in the release of this tool is security. Many of the users of Excel are corporate employees or business owners. As one of the corporate un-washed mass I tried out googlesheets using made up data, then an existing spreadsheet. Only after I opened the file did I remember to ask the question, where is this data going? When tried a save I noticed that it was not saving to my local disc as default, but to a remote server.
In my test case I did not use a file that had sensitive data, but I did start to ponder the question of how secure is the data I save. if governments can troll for data then what protects any data I store outside my business laptop or desktop? While the spreadsheet is an amazing tool for personal use, it would take but one leak, one crack which leaks even seemingly innocent company data to kill this as a viable web tool. Were Google to offer strong encryption as default then I would feel better about using this web tool (or any other) to share and access data on field trips, or when working with teams across the country. Till then, as per our company policy I will continue to utilize client based office tools, email sensitive files with encryption, or use sneaker mail.
As to Google's effort I say kudos. Of course it does not have all functionality out of the box, but it is better then the other web based, server-side excel like application out there.....Oh that's right, there was none. A great tool that will only get better, and when they can secure the data to the level that companies will trust, they *will* get the strong attention of Microsoft who has fattened on the Corporate largesse resulting from over-charging MS Office. In fact, if Google would sell or charge a corporation to run googlesheets from inside a corporate WAN/LAN at a competitive price, if Google provided 90% of the functionality that current excel users in corporate world use, if upgrades occurred in one spot not across countless workstations, and they did this at a cost the was drastically less then a Corporate License from MS for office....game over.
Go ahead and do that. In the mean time I'll try to patent breathing. One of us may make boatloads of money :-)
Having just read Brave New World I feel that the American society is heading that direction. I feel you simplified the caste description however. Huxley describes a few times how the caste system came to be, but the gist is that humans (in his world) are bred to their position. While they get a ration of Soma, mainly they are conditioned to accept their position in society. During the gestastion period the embryos are subjected to stimulus that will better adapt them to the part they will play when born. After birth they are continually emmersed in teaching and phyco-babble that re-enforces their future role in society. While the lower castes Soma intake is regulated, I found it interesting that the higher castes A A+ were more prone to abuse.
In Huxley's world, humankind had finally reached a balance (good or bad depending on how you look at it) where all but a very few were accepting of their life because that was all they knew. Lower people did not want to rule, rulers did not want to work. If I was to extend that world into the future I would see a slow decline in mankind to possible extinction. If randomness and natural selection are bred out then when a outside force (a meteor for example) comes along the masses will be wiped out, the rulers will not have the ability to perform the tasks needed to keep the society alive. I think back to Logan's Run; at the end of the movie all these beautiful people left the city, but what I thought was "What will they do now?" Die mostly, because they have no idea how to survive in a harsh world.
Anyway, it was interesting to see someone bring up Huxley in this context.
It took a little while for me to catch on, but a pattern did seem to develop. That anyone could take this serious as it relates to Google suggests either as one who would latch on to anything anti-Google, or one who did not read far enough into the diatribe.
For example, substitute the phrase "the Bush Administration" or "the administration" or Hussain, or "the regime" and the ranting makes equal sense. There is no depth to the rambling though the buzz words had more meaning when put into a political perspective.
if this is the work of a random "rant" generator then kudos to the programmer for effort. I would pair down the paragraph size and work to make the ranting more poignant. I would have almost seen this as modded funny or interesting, but in the end it took up space and said nothing. Maybe a future political speach writer in the making.
I had a tough choice to Mod Up or comment. I hope someone else will give +mod for an insightful comment. I agree, for even as an adult I would enjoy playing those types of "games". Even better, as a programmer I would love to write them, but lack the physics (even Newtonian) to master the code.
I loved Physics in High School, wanted to major in physics in college, but after half a semester I understood I was not cut out for that science. Instead I found my passion in programming and have made a good career in it for years. I still am fascinated by physics and at times have tried to write programs that would simulate trying to land on a planet (I know it's been done, but I wanted to write my own), or fire projectiles at each other (same as before), or duplicate a very cool game I remember from my HP3000 days where a missile was fired from a spaceship and you have to gauge the gravitational effects of "planets" as it bent the missile's path toward the enemy ship.
Well all this memory rambling is meant to say that if you know the formulas then write the programs you mentioned and broadcast them on the web. If you don't know how to program but know the formulas post them on the web so guys like me can write a program. Hell it took me half a day of mental wrangling and searching to get my firing a projectile program to work. I got mired in the end by trying to figure out how to take into effect mass/weight/density when the same force is applied.
Anyway, great thoughts; just take it the next step and inspire someone to help write those programs, submit them to NASA and show them how much better they will be then trivia games.
I may be one of the few "nerds" that missed this the first time around. Having seen the end result my first thought is that I think the three miscreants that made the video public do need to be punished in some way. Since this is not a criminal act then civil damages because I figure the parents of the three children have not taught such strange concepts like respect and care of others.
On the other hand, having watched some ofthe resulting videos, chuckling at the creative way the raw footage was altered I would hope the parants this youm man woudl show him that even from initial tragedy, something positive and good can come in the end. Not in the monetary reward, but that his acts inspired others to create, adapt and enhance the original playfulness of the SWK.
As a parent of TSWK I'd want retribution to hopefully show those dimbulbs (and their parents) that making fun of people (by releaseing the video) costs. Time to pay. At the same time I would teach my own child to be strong enough to laugh with one's self. To help him grow the inner character needed along a long hard path of life. 10 years from now it would be great to read that TSWK lost the extra pounds, graduated from a top school, and hired the three amigoes to cut the lwan of his well kept McMansion.
I really loved the Drunken Jedi. Reminded me of the times I enjoyed watching bad Kungfu movies where the best fighter was an old drunken monk. Enjoy the money SWK, but even better, use it to grow the inner self.
That is just wrong...very very wrong, and yet somehow stimulating?
I must take my brain out be cleaned now, though the image of two Scouts copulating may never really go away
"So much for my opinion. But (in my opinion!) it's alot less biased than his."
Really?
"tools for the braindead like VB and it's ilk..."
"To the average idiot, buying Windows and Symantec's security suite..."
Hardly seems unbiased. Speaking as one of the undead developers you happen to ridicule I'd say you may have made good points, but lost it with your editorial comment about the people who use the products.
As it is, I uninstalled Symantec and installed A'vast. I turned off Windows firewall to use Zonealarm, and no operating system, even linux can get by without some type of protection. Us brain-dead idiots may not want to work so hard all the time to set up common tasks like AV or firewall proection. We may have better things to do with our zombie like exsistence then spend hours trying to command line configure/install applications.
I have been involved in the process of learning to use Linux. I admit a bias to Windows since I have worked with it since 3.0. Yet I am a fan/supporter/advocate of Linux because I also feel that we need choices in the industry. Perhaps the day more Linux users stop using terms like brain-dead and average idiot to describe Windows users and start to write simple install packages that don't require commandline typing, that start to respect new folks starting out with Linux instead of looking down from a techno-geek height, and most of all, understanding that when the majority of the population is using an Operating System, it may have something to teach developers on how to market a product.
You did not help the cause of promoting Linux.
"See, it turns out that it's just the usual sloppy work by bureaucrats who confused similar-sounding Arabic names. Joe Caucasian Liberal has nothing to fear"
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No, but Babies do...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/n
http://www.digg.com/links/9-month-old_baby_on_US_
And so do canadians...
http://www.canadiancontent.net/commtr/article_779
sounds like knee-jearking, overrasting politics to me.
and the winner is? wait, I'm sorry, I thought this was informative. As a long time MS developer (sigh, yes I can imagine the flames as I type) I really do not see the deep value of this article.
As it stands today, I have to deliver MS framework 1.x or 2.x or flipin x.x because it is not part of the basic OS. As a coporate developer I have to get our platform installers to push framework out so I dont have xx mg added to my installs. What would be the miracle would be that MS actually implemented an OS that had all the damn components in place (gasp) like it use to be, instead of today were I need to tell users to upgrade to FW then install the app. I try to stay within the envelope, it is MS that keeps changing the edges. How about getting back to basics where the OS, when released had it all.