I thought everybody knew about this considering how sadly obvious the "mockingbirds" are on/. to manipulate and moderate the conversation here, mostly ACs, but some with pseudonyms.
I really liked Enterprise. Or at least what it could have been. My only issue was casting Scott Bakula as his acting style has almost always rubbed me the wrong way.
Maybe all of the Star Trek captains should *made* to perform Shakespeare, that what William Shatner and Patrick Stewart both had in common, even though their characters were completely different.
Back in 2004 I said Enterprise would be the last Star Trek as it seems only the orignal fans saw the potential. I've given Discovery a chance as it is the first season and they did some things better than TNG so maybe I'll be glad to be wrong.
which Adderall and Ritalin are. To be specific, they're amphetamines...
Take a look at the chemical formulas for Adderall and meth sometime.
I think a lot of ADHD problems would go away if we just let kids run around some more. I've known a fair number of people who've been put into that bucket and physical exertion does a lot to mitigate the effects. Extra PE time might also help with the obesity epidemic as well.
I think they are suffering psychological abuse from their parents, who inherited it from their parents and so on. That adderall acts on the working memory suggests it is trying to make kids forget the source of the emotional pain they are suffering, instead of resolving it.
All common sources of the type of personality disorders that are reaching epidemic proportions. Mental illness is contagious and most of us inherit it from our parents in some form.
>>Slashdot is full of nuclear fanboys who get terribly offended when anyone mentions any kind of emissions from their beloved reactors.
No we just get irritated by people who knee-jerk to any mention of radioactivity without understanding that we are constantly exposed to radiation, and that bananas and coal combustion are significantly larger sources than nuclear power generation.
Presumably that also keeps most radioactive material -- predominantly Tritium which is a VERY weak beta emitter and pretty much harmless -- from seeping out.
Typical of most of the unending stream of enviro-crap posted by Slashdot editors the abstract an the link don't provide any usable quantification of the radioactive material in question.
This may help, a list of some scientific studies on the effects of tritium, with references, in case there is any doubt regarding Triated water's effect on living beings.
Tritium is biologically mutagenic *because* it's a low energy emitter. This characteristic makes readily absorbed by surrounding cells. The available evidence from studies conducted journal a list of effects. From those works;
Tritium can be inhaled, ingested, or absorbed through skin. Eating food containing 3H can be even more damaging than drinking 3H bound in water. Consequently, an estimated radiation dose based only on ingestion of tritiated water may underestimate the health effects if the person has also consumed food contaminated with tritium. (Komatsu)
Studies indicate that lower doses of tritium can cause more cell death (Dobson, 1976), mutations (Ito) and chromosome damage (Hori) per dose than higher tritium doses. Tritium can impart damage which is two or more times greater per dose than either x-rays or gamma rays.
(Straume) (Dobson, 1976) There is no evidence of a threshold for damage from 3H exposure; even the smallest amount of tritium can have negative health impacts. (Dobson, 1974) Organically bound tritium (tritium bound in animal or plant tissue) can stay in the body for 10 years or more.
It's often said "of all the elements in nuclear waste tritium is one of the more harmless ones" and while it's more benign than most other radioactive effluents it's toxicity should not be under-estimated.
Tritium can cause mutations, tumors and cell death. (Rytomaa) Tritiated water is associated with significantly decreased weight of brain and genital tract organs in mice (Torok) and can cause irreversible loss of female germ cells in both mice and monkeys even at low concentrations. (Dobson, 1979) (Laskey) Tritium from tritiated water can become incorporated into DNA, the molecular basis of heredity for living organisms. DNA is especially sensitive to radiation. (Hori) A cell's exposure to tritium bound in DNA can be even more toxic than its exposure to tritium in water. (Straume)(Carr)
First, as an isotope of hydrogen (the cell's most ubiquitous element), tritium can be incorporated into essentially all portions of the living machinery; and it is not innocuous -- deaths have occurred in industry from occupational overexposure. R. Lowry Dobson, MD, PhD. (1979)
References;
Komatsu, K and Okumura, Y. Radiation Dose to Mouse Liver Cells from Ingestion of Tritiated Food or Water. Health Physics. 58. 5:625-629. 1990.
Dobson, RL. The Toxicity of Tritium. International Atomic Energy Agency symposium, Vienna: Biological Implications of Radionuclides Released from Nuclear Industries v. 1: 203. 1979.
Hori, TA and Nakai, S. Unusual Dose-Response of Chromosome Aberrations Induced in Human Lymphocytes by Very Low Dose Exposures to Tritium. Mutation Research. 50: 101-110. 1978.
Straume, T and Carsten, AL.Tritium Radiobiology and Relative Biological Effectiveness. Health Physics. 65 (6):657-672; 1993. [This special issue of Health Physics is entirely devoted to Tritium]
Laskey, JW, et al. Some Effects of Lifetime Parental Exposure to Low Levels of Tritium on the F2 Generation. Radiation Research.56:171-179. 1973.
Rytomaa, T, et al. Radiotoxicity of Tritium-Labelled Molecules. International Atomic Energy Agency symposium,Vienna: Biological Implications of Radionuclides Released from Nuclear Industries v. 1: 339. 1979.
First instance? Ignorance must be bliss. You even talk about pro-nucs being willfully ignorant! What delicious (and banana-flavored) irony!
Potassium is only one analogue for bio-accumulation, pu239 analogues Iron - getting enough iron in your diet? getting enough iodine, calcium. Some do, some don't, can you wrap your binary mind around that concept or would you like to continue to demonstrate your idiocracy?
Oh and I wasn't talking about pro-nucs, I was talking about Nuclear Ideologists such as yourself, useful idiots compelled to post their trite empty bullshit.
Thanks for demonstrating everything in my post. Do come back and prove it some more.
You've always been too stupid to figure out the risks even when I explained them to you ad nauseam. You can't even explain your point and your pathetic linguistic take down failed. Your bathed in ignorance so why would I waste my time.
You haven't yet posted your 'scary stuff' list.
To start Plutonium Chloride and Plutonium Oxide are the two most obvious. Whenever we get a list of other decay products from an unbiased source we'll know the rest.
You're welcome to keep proving your ignorance however it is clear you have nothing of value to add.
Thanks for pointing that out. My point is that the stuff coming out of coal are natural isotopes and whilst they should be collected the stuff coming out of the Nuclear are artificial products and generally much more toxic.
If there is going to be issue about natural isotopes being released then they should not be released from Nuclear Industry processes either.
I see you are a useful idiot, nothing useful to say except more idiocracy. All you are doing is demonstrating you never read the article. You're boring.
your use of 'bathed in fissile products' is a great example of your use of hyperbole and intellectual dishonesty with pure intend to spread FUD.
Of course if you'd read the article you would see that statement was used three times, once under the headline:
The Japanese nuclear disaster bathed north America in a radioactive cloud. The Chernobyl disaster in 1986 bathed much of Europe, and other parts of the world, in a radioactive cloud that increased atmospheric levels of cesium-137 again. It released a radioactive cloud that bathed North America in fissile by-products.
What about North America was suffused, imbued, showered, soaked, steeped, dipped, doused, immersed, flooded, hosed or dusted with fall out from Fukushima.
We've seen that before.
What we've seen before is the same trite, boring, incapable, insolent, vapid, facile, moronic, lackluster poorly thought out and dumb arguments from you Nuclear Ideologists so many times that it's clear it is some sort of compulsion to you. This is an indication of some sort of pathology of the mind so virulent you can't even use pseudo-anonymity to associate yourself with your own humiliating stupidity.
That's why the nuclear industry, itself, calls you ideologically afflicted fanbois Useful idiots.
I'm pretty sure your wooosh got woooshed and you don't even realize it.
Blindseer was having a whine. The Whoooooosh our idealistic nuclear friends are experiencing is that this is the first evidence of radio-isotopes bio-accumulating in American produce. Reading the threads here they are in full denial, unable to reason or do anything that conflicts with their nuclear ideology.
They're too willfully ignorant to admit to themselves that this is and has been occurring, blindseer is a great example of willful ignorance. They'd like to believe that it's the only bottle of wine, the only crop of grapes, the only fruit and vegetable, that it's below the threshold, it's of no consequence, insignificant, that there is no reason to be cautious with this technology. To them one day the perfect reactor will come along and solve all these issues if only the Nimbys and greenies would just get out of the way despite the fact that it is the oil and coal companies that are the ones who lobby against their dream technology.
I'd like to see what equipment can pick up a microgram of plutonium chloride in a ton of lettuce or pick out which cow ate the grass that the strontium 90 settled on, that made the milk that ended up in the chocolate bar. It's a complete failure of imagination on their part that they are unable to extrapolate consequences of actions and because it is too complex for them they simply are unable to muster enough cognitive effort to work it out. It's cognitively easier for them to take the dogmatically skeptical morally superior option and pretend their opinion is backed by fact when in reality it's social proof and magical thinking. It's understandable - they want the best for everyone but are incapable of thinking it through.
Of course when it come to producing the fact I have never seen one of these Nuclear Ideologists able to back up their statements with any usable information in over a decade of arguments here on/. Typically it's always some sort of haughty arrogance that their argument would be supported if you just went out there and found the facts for them to back up their argument.
So when you do that you learn just how much they have been deceived by the Nuclear Industries PR machine, how unable to think for themselves they are, how unable to research and at least try to uncover the facts that lead to useful knowledge.
Instead they resort to some pretty petty tactics to frustrate the discussion because that's all they have.
Now the downmod makes it that awkward funny kind of moment, the uncomfortable truth kind of downmod. That uncomfortable moment at dinner when everybody realizes that Nuclear Boi farted and the jet stream carried the stink down wind to the US. oooopppsss.
Nuclear Idealists, I'm never sure if they're punchline or the joke.
The ability to detect incredibly small trace amounts of anything could be a good story. This would be the equivalent of me farting in Kansas and someone smelling it on Uluru.
It's a good analogy, an atomic fart. It's the one the Japanese made with Nuclear Boi and just like a silent but deadly fart it traveled across the pacific to find a home in American wine. Unlike the cartoon whilst the poop was to heavy to travel in the air it would seem from the evidence though that Nuclear Boi did poop and the poop can float. The pu in the diaper is way to stinky for anyone to handle.
Yeah, its ridiculous, but/. doesn't discriminate when you can say Fukushima or radiation. Makes for a headline. Selectively of content that has credibility is long gone.
Fortunately the wall of nuclear idealism that we see on/. prevented radioactive isotopes from Fukushima bathing North America in fissile by-products. The funny thing is that the tiny amount of radio-isotopes that made it were smart enough to by-pass all other American produce and only go after the wine. Hilarious! We can be sure that no other american produce was bathed in fissile by products by simply being optimistic and not measuring it. I'm certain that bio-accumulation processes encountered the wall of nuclear idealism and went around the US completely.
What I don't see is why Russia would let others keep half?
I mean, for one billion they could send navy ships there and say "no" and then what?
I think it may have something to do with international waters and salvage rights. It may also be an act of diplomacy on the part of the Koreans if the ship was in their waters. Despite having full salvage rights this way they still get a pay day and not piss Russia off, plus a railway, plus a way to ease relations with the other half of their country.
Sounds to me like a win for everyone - good on them.
Wrong again. Here is what a lawyer says about striking down unconstitutional laws at any court level.
Your lawyer agrees with me. To strike down the law in court people have to actually go to court.
No again, as usual you're trying to manipulate the narrative - what you said was: To take the law to court the person must first be found guilty of the felony.
Slashdot Mirror
I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned Operation Mockingbird a CIA program to manipulate the narrative in the media. Last report in 2015 it is still operational and in 2016 was legalized.
I thought everybody knew about this considering how sadly obvious the "mockingbirds" are on /. to manipulate and moderate the conversation here, mostly ACs, but some with pseudonyms.
I really liked Enterprise. Or at least what it could have been. My only issue was casting Scott Bakula as his acting style has almost always rubbed me the wrong way.
Maybe all of the Star Trek captains should *made* to perform Shakespeare, that what William Shatner and Patrick Stewart both had in common, even though their characters were completely different.
Back in 2004 I said Enterprise would be the last Star Trek as it seems only the orignal fans saw the potential. I've given Discovery a chance as it is the first season and they did some things better than TNG so maybe I'll be glad to be wrong.
which Adderall and Ritalin are. To be specific, they're amphetamines...
Take a look at the chemical formulas for Adderall and meth sometime. I think a lot of ADHD problems would go away if we just let kids run around some more. I've known a fair number of people who've been put into that bucket and physical exertion does a lot to mitigate the effects. Extra PE time might also help with the obesity epidemic as well.
I think they are suffering psychological abuse from their parents, who inherited it from their parents and so on. That adderall acts on the working memory suggests it is trying to make kids forget the source of the emotional pain they are suffering, instead of resolving it.
All common sources of the type of personality disorders that are reaching epidemic proportions. Mental illness is contagious and most of us inherit it from our parents in some form.
>>Slashdot is full of nuclear fanboys who get terribly offended when anyone mentions any kind of emissions from their beloved reactors.
No we just get irritated by people who knee-jerk to any mention of radioactivity without understanding that we are constantly exposed to radiation, and that bananas and coal combustion are significantly larger sources than nuclear power generation.
fyi, the word is spelled fanboi
Yes, the AC is a fanboi.
Presumably that also keeps most radioactive material -- predominantly Tritium which is a VERY weak beta emitter and pretty much harmless -- from seeping out.
Typical of most of the unending stream of enviro-crap posted by Slashdot editors the abstract an the link don't provide any usable quantification of the radioactive material in question.
This may help, a list of some scientific studies on the effects of tritium, with references, in case there is any doubt regarding Triated water's effect on living beings.
Tritium is biologically mutagenic *because* it's a low energy emitter. This characteristic makes readily absorbed by surrounding cells. The available evidence from studies conducted journal a list of effects. From those works;
Tritium can be inhaled, ingested, or absorbed through skin. Eating food containing 3H can be even more damaging than drinking 3H bound in water. Consequently, an estimated radiation dose based only on ingestion of tritiated water may underestimate the health effects if the person has also consumed food contaminated with tritium. (Komatsu)
Studies indicate that lower doses of tritium can cause more cell death (Dobson, 1976), mutations (Ito) and chromosome damage (Hori) per dose than higher tritium doses. Tritium can impart damage which is two or more times greater per dose than either x-rays or gamma rays.
(Straume) (Dobson, 1976) There is no evidence of a threshold for damage from 3H exposure; even the smallest amount of tritium can have negative health impacts. (Dobson, 1974) Organically bound tritium (tritium bound in animal or plant tissue) can stay in the body for 10 years or more.
It's often said "of all the elements in nuclear waste tritium is one of the more harmless ones" and while it's more benign than most other radioactive effluents it's toxicity should not be under-estimated.
Tritium can cause mutations, tumors and cell death. (Rytomaa) Tritiated water is associated with significantly decreased weight of brain and genital tract organs in mice (Torok) and can cause irreversible loss of female germ cells in both mice and monkeys even at low concentrations. (Dobson, 1979) (Laskey) Tritium from tritiated water can become incorporated into DNA, the molecular basis of heredity for living organisms. DNA is especially sensitive to radiation. (Hori) A cell's exposure to tritium bound in DNA can be even more toxic than its exposure to tritium in water. (Straume)(Carr)
First, as an isotope of hydrogen (the cell's most ubiquitous element), tritium can be incorporated into essentially all portions of the living machinery; and it is not innocuous -- deaths have occurred in industry from occupational overexposure. R. Lowry Dobson, MD, PhD. (1979)
References;
Powers hell.
IME it's a powerful but clunky piece of garbage.
How are they going to snub out 100+ distros and millions (billions?) of lines of open source floating in the ether?
systemd ;)
First instance? Ignorance must be bliss. You even talk about pro-nucs being willfully ignorant! What delicious (and banana-flavored) irony!
Potassium is only one analogue for bio-accumulation, pu239 analogues Iron - getting enough iron in your diet? getting enough iodine, calcium. Some do, some don't, can you wrap your binary mind around that concept or would you like to continue to demonstrate your idiocracy?
Oh and I wasn't talking about pro-nucs, I was talking about Nuclear Ideologists such as yourself, useful idiots compelled to post their trite empty bullshit.
Thanks for demonstrating everything in my post. Do come back and prove it some more.
A predictable response from a FUD monger.
You've always been too stupid to figure out the risks even when I explained them to you ad nauseam. You can't even explain your point and your pathetic linguistic take down failed. Your bathed in ignorance so why would I waste my time.
You haven't yet posted your 'scary stuff' list.
To start Plutonium Chloride and Plutonium Oxide are the two most obvious. Whenever we get a list of other decay products from an unbiased source we'll know the rest.
You're welcome to keep proving your ignorance however it is clear you have nothing of value to add.
Thanks for pointing that out. My point is that the stuff coming out of coal are natural isotopes and whilst they should be collected the stuff coming out of the Nuclear are artificial products and generally much more toxic.
If there is going to be issue about natural isotopes being released then they should not be released from Nuclear Industry processes either.
I see you are a useful idiot, nothing useful to say except more idiocracy. All you are doing is demonstrating you never read the article. You're boring.
your use of 'bathed in fissile products' is a great example of your use of hyperbole and intellectual dishonesty with pure intend to spread FUD.
Of course if you'd read the article you would see that statement was used three times, once under the headline:
The Japanese nuclear disaster bathed north America in a radioactive cloud.
The Chernobyl disaster in 1986 bathed much of Europe, and other parts of the world, in a radioactive cloud that increased atmospheric levels of cesium-137 again.
It released a radioactive cloud that bathed North America in fissile by-products.
What about North America was suffused, imbued, showered, soaked, steeped, dipped, doused, immersed, flooded, hosed or dusted with fall out from Fukushima.
We've seen that before.
What we've seen before is the same trite, boring, incapable, insolent, vapid, facile, moronic, lackluster poorly thought out and dumb arguments from you Nuclear Ideologists so many times that it's clear it is some sort of compulsion to you. This is an indication of some sort of pathology of the mind so virulent you can't even use pseudo-anonymity to associate yourself with your own humiliating stupidity.
That's why the nuclear industry, itself, calls you ideologically afflicted fanbois Useful idiots.
I'm pretty sure your wooosh got woooshed and you don't even realize it.
Blindseer was having a whine. The Whoooooosh our idealistic nuclear friends are experiencing is that this is the first evidence of radio-isotopes bio-accumulating in American produce. Reading the threads here they are in full denial, unable to reason or do anything that conflicts with their nuclear ideology.
They're too willfully ignorant to admit to themselves that this is and has been occurring, blindseer is a great example of willful ignorance. They'd like to believe that it's the only bottle of wine, the only crop of grapes, the only fruit and vegetable, that it's below the threshold, it's of no consequence, insignificant, that there is no reason to be cautious with this technology. To them one day the perfect reactor will come along and solve all these issues if only the Nimbys and greenies would just get out of the way despite the fact that it is the oil and coal companies that are the ones who lobby against their dream technology.
I'd like to see what equipment can pick up a microgram of plutonium chloride in a ton of lettuce or pick out which cow ate the grass that the strontium 90 settled on, that made the milk that ended up in the chocolate bar. It's a complete failure of imagination on their part that they are unable to extrapolate consequences of actions and because it is too complex for them they simply are unable to muster enough cognitive effort to work it out. It's cognitively easier for them to take the dogmatically skeptical morally superior option and pretend their opinion is backed by fact when in reality it's social proof and magical thinking. It's understandable - they want the best for everyone but are incapable of thinking it through.
Of course when it come to producing the fact I have never seen one of these Nuclear Ideologists able to back up their statements with any usable information in over a decade of arguments here on /. Typically it's always some sort of haughty arrogance that their argument would be supported if you just went out there and found the facts for them to back up their argument.
So when you do that you learn just how much they have been deceived by the Nuclear Industries PR machine, how unable to think for themselves they are, how unable to research and at least try to uncover the facts that lead to useful knowledge.
Instead they resort to some pretty petty tactics to frustrate the discussion because that's all they have.
Natural isotopes in coal are not enriched isotopes from nuclear.
Dude. You just had a brainfart that can be smelled around the world.
Thanks c6gunner - that must be scat foreplay, I'm flattered but not into it personally.
Now the downmod makes it that awkward funny kind of moment, the uncomfortable truth kind of downmod. That uncomfortable moment at dinner when everybody realizes that Nuclear Boi farted and the jet stream carried the stink down wind to the US. oooopppsss.
Nuclear Idealists, I'm never sure if they're punchline or the joke.
The ability to detect incredibly small trace amounts of anything could be a good story. This would be the equivalent of me farting in Kansas and someone smelling it on Uluru.
It's a good analogy, an atomic fart. It's the one the Japanese made with Nuclear Boi and just like a silent but deadly fart it traveled across the pacific to find a home in American wine. Unlike the cartoon whilst the poop was to heavy to travel in the air it would seem from the evidence though that Nuclear Boi did poop and the poop can float. The pu in the diaper is way to stinky for anyone to handle.
Yeah, its ridiculous, but /. doesn't discriminate when you can say Fukushima or radiation. Makes for a headline. Selectively of content that has credibility is long gone.
Fortunately the wall of nuclear idealism that we see on /. prevented radioactive isotopes from Fukushima bathing North America in fissile by-products. The funny thing is that the tiny amount of radio-isotopes that made it were smart enough to by-pass all other American produce and only go after the wine. Hilarious! We can be sure that no other american produce was bathed in fissile by products by simply being optimistic and not measuring it. I'm certain that bio-accumulation processes encountered the wall of nuclear idealism and went around the US completely.
What I don't see is why Russia would let others keep half?
I mean, for one billion they could send navy ships there and say "no" and then what?
I think it may have something to do with international waters and salvage rights. It may also be an act of diplomacy on the part of the Koreans if the ship was in their waters. Despite having full salvage rights this way they still get a pay day and not piss Russia off, plus a railway, plus a way to ease relations with the other half of their country.
Sounds to me like a win for everyone - good on them.
I won't cum in your mouth - I swear, I won't.
It's an analogy.
I won't cum in your mouth - I swear, I won't.
I just want a phone I can use, not one that uses me.
It's a brand. Jessh why does everything need it's own specific name these days.
So people can figure out what it isn't compatible with.
It's all of these And Less
Where did you get the idea I would condone shooting first and asking questions later?
Because that's the only idea you put forward.
Wrong again. Here is what a lawyer says about striking down unconstitutional laws at any court level.
Your lawyer agrees with me. To strike down the law in court people have to actually go to court.
No again, as usual you're trying to manipulate the narrative - what you said was: To take the law to court the person must first be found guilty of the felony.