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Star Trek: Discovery's Season 2 Trailer Teases Spock, Christopher Pike, and Tig Notaro (theverge.com)

CBS has released a "Season Two Premiere" for Star Trek Discovery, offering the first look at the upcoming season of the show on CBS All Access. The first season launched late last year and finished up in February after a brief hiatus. The Verge reports of what to expect from the upcoming season, which is expected to premiere sometime in early 2019: [It] appears to begin with Captain Christopher Pike (Anson Mount) coming aboard and taking control of the USS Discovery after a series of mysterious "red bursts" are detected, simultaneously spread out across 30,000 light years. Burnham later claims "Spock is linked to these signals." New series guest star Tig Notaro makes a very Tig Notaro joke, Pike encourages the crew to "have a little fun," Tilly yells about "the power of math" -- a good time, in other words. (After all, the whole thing is set the tune of Lenny Kravitz's "Fly Away," so you know it's real.) Bonus: at the end we meet another, very sniffly alien Discovery crew member, proving Saru and the bridge androids aren't the sole non-humans aboard the ship, as we once feared. At the Discovery panel at San Diego Comic Con's Hall H, a new Star Trek series was announced, called Star Trek: Short Treks. It is "a series of monthly short-form stories that will function like bonus content and air on CBS All Access in conjunction with the larger Star Trek: Discovery series," reports The Verge. "CBS says Short Treks, which will air in installments of about 10 to 15 minutes, is 'an opportunity for deeper storytelling and exploration of key characters and themes that fit into... the expanding Star Trek universe.'"

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  1. Did anyone else think it was Chris Pine? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    It's just Capt. Pike. I don't think anybody knows that guy as Christopher.

    1. Re:Did anyone else think it was Chris Pine? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure I've known him as Christopher Pike at least since ST:TNG.

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    2. Re:Did anyone else think it was Chris Pine? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'm not really a big Star Trek fan (actually, I hardly watched anything past TNG), but even I knew that his first name was Christopher.

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    3. Re:Did anyone else think it was Chris Pine? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      STD the sexually transmitted disease of star trek. Yeah, I liked the Klingons fun characters, interesting antagonists, ugly cannibals who use coffin armour, not so much. Only watched one episode by mistake, the third one from memory and ugh, fuck that. Why ruin decades of content, with that shite, don't watch it, not interested in it, don't give a fuck what happens to it. Maybe if they bring on Captain Nancy Pants (this as a serious character) to properly match Michael the traitor and war monger, go one way with names, why the fuck is the other way wrong. Perhaps they can slip in the borg and you know make them all transvestites, instead of behind asexual, who cares.

      Yes I stopped watching Doctor Who half way through the season. If I want to watch a soap, which I do not, I'll watch a soap. When I watch sci fi I want to watch sci fi and not a soap. Want to warp sci fi filling it with soap opera elements to attract women, I'll stop watching. This bullshit that content for women is good and content for men has to be changed to be content for women else it is not fair but women's content must remain women's content because er mysandrists, yeah fuck off. Female doctor who, well, who gives a fuck, it'll probably be filled with lets talk about emotions, how does this attack plan make you feel, lets talk family issues, how about complaining about your significant other, oh wait was that a UFO, not important, what did your significant other say last night, I hear there was a special on makeup (can't be gender specific that is evil).

      And why the fuck, do women trapped out in the jungle or desert, or where ever the fuck, still have clean shaven legs and armpits after weeks but men's beards grow. What the fuck is that bullshit and why aren't the femevangilists not complaining about that.

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  2. Are people actually watching this? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    In the US, I mean. I realize that, elsewhere, it’s just another show on Netflix - but CBS is the Old People’s Network, and I can’t imagine there’s a lot of demand for streaming NCIS: New Orleans.

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    1. Re:Are people actually watching this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can’t imagine there’s a lot of demand for streaming NCIS: New Orleans.

      Dude, I just checked, and that is a real show. Holy shit, I had no idea.

      I also haven't watched TV in like 10 years, but still.

    2. Re:Are people actually watching this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I watched the first episode. Lame.

      At this point I welcome:

      Star Trek : Naked & Afraid

    3. Re:Are people actually watching this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. So cool and dark. You oughta be a cellar.

    4. Re:Are people actually watching this? by johanw · · Score: 1

      Streaming? I never stream, I download it with Bittorrent.

    5. Re:Are people actually watching this? by Rockoon · · Score: 0

      I binge watched the first season on.... umm.... a way of doing so... and all in all Discovery is a passable show, but only if you can successfully think of it as Not Star Trek.

      If you wanted it to be a great show along the lines of ST:TOS and ST:TNG then you didnt get what you wanted. Its not even close. It is closer to ST:DSN The progressivism portrayed is neither edgy nor relevant to the times. The show isnt making any statements. It is just a generic sci-fi soap opera, and by soap opera I mean it. Every show is intimately connected to the previous and the next.

      Honestly the sci-fi soap opera thing began with Babylon 5 (at least the first GOOD one), and sometimes its done well and sometimes its done poorly. The thing with those is its too early to say based on a single season. Discovery is passable as a generic sci-fi soap opera.

      ..and before someone says that I would think that no progressivism would be relevant today... bullshit. How about tackling privacy rights a couple times.

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    6. Re: Are people actually watching this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do people tolerate NetFlix removing the ability to choose quality and wait for it to download. It's ridiculous.

    7. Re:Are people actually watching this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically, his mom's basement is a cellar so he's already there.

    8. Re:Are people actually watching this? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Dude, I just checked, and that is a real show. Holy shit, I had no idea.

      Yeah, it seems to be some sort of weird reboot of Star Trek: Enterprise.

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    9. Re:Are people actually watching this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is just a generic sci-fi soap opera, and by soap opera I mean it.

      Agreed. I got tired of watching emo-Vulcan and stopped watching it. Also, the pacing is soap-opera (i.e., dog-slow) pacing.

    10. Re:Are people actually watching this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being a serial does not equal being a soap opera.

  3. Re:Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who cares what their names are, the show sucks. It doesn't suck as bad as Enterprise or Voyager, but if that's where we're at now with the Star Trek franchise then it's time to stick a fork in it.

  4. Oh Look... funny. ha. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like they got tired of The Orville eating their lunch and decided to make a half-hearted attempt to copy it by adding sneeze jokes and awkwardness.

    Still not biting the hook, CBS.

  5. Re: Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    someone watched star trek and said "this show needs more baseball caps and rod stewart" and someone with a lot of money said "you are right here is a lot of money" and that's how enterprise was born.

  6. Star Trek what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this that show that they put on a streaming network that you have to pay for (and I assume use some app or whatever), even though there isn't anything else on that network anyone would want to watch?

    How's that working out?

    1. Re:Star Trek what? by johanw · · Score: 1

      For The Pirate Bay it's working excelent.

  7. Region Restricted by Barny · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The youtube video linked is region restricted. A trailer/sneak peek. Restricted. What the actual fuck?

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    1. Re: Region Restricted by cormandy · · Score: 1

      Yes, I get âoethis video is availableâ when trying to watch from the UK. Boo!

    2. Re:Region Restricted by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Well, you can't spend money to watch the whole show, why waste bandwidth on you watching the trailer?

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    3. Re:Region Restricted by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      Season 1 was on Netflix outside of the US, so one could hope that Season 2 will be as well. Even if CBS decides not to make the additional money this time around, some USians on vacation may want to see the trailer? Finally, region restrictions on trailers is a good way to piss of fans not in the white listed regions.

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    4. Re:Region Restricted by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Don't tell me, tell that to the marketing specialist at CBS that thought it's a bright idea.

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    5. Re: Region Restricted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's what the dickhead in charge thought, but he/she is wrong.

      Digital media is now global. Hype, buzz interest, and a desire to purchase your media is global.

      Bandwidth doesn't cost that much.

      Let everyone watch the trailer and make the show available to as many as you can.

      If it's any good then you'll make a lot of money.

      Any other opinion is wrong.

    6. Re:Region Restricted by itsme1234 · · Score: 1

      It is hosted on youtube; they'll gladly stream it to anybody as they do with countless cat videos and such.

    7. Re:Region Restricted by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know, it just baffles me how anyone in 2018 can think that it is a good idea to put region restrictions on a trailer.

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    8. Re:Region Restricted by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Region restricted to whom? Ironically Star Trek Discovery was most region restricted in the USA where people got a sub par CBS feed while the rest of the world watched it in HD on Netflix with surround sound.

    9. Re:Region Restricted by FrozenFrog · · Score: 1

      Couldn't watch the trailer from Canada (where I am), found this one that works, at least up here in the Great White North. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    10. Re:Region Restricted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blocked in NZ too. Fuck Youtube.
      Anyway, of all the series, only 3 make my grade. The original - though very cheesy with its dated effects and storylines, then the Picard (Next Gen) series and the Janeway (Deep Space 9) series. The latter two define Trek for me. The rest, especially the new "Trek" are _not_ Trek.

    11. Re:Region Restricted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Janeway was Voyager. So I am not sure whether you next 'real trek' series was Voyager or Deep Space 9...

  8. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    If my thoughtful and high quality posts keep getting censored to -1, I'll leave as well.

    Bye. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

  9. yAWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was so excited for another star trek. Then I realized the fundamental mistake, the core problem of this (and it was shared by scott bacula's enterprise) THEY DO NOT DO ONE OFF STORIES!

    The franchise made its money by having a theme but each story can stand on its own which was what made the after market dvd's etc so worthwhile and what made the re-runs so great.

    If you want a story arc, that is what star wars is for, if you want short stories that is supposed to be the domain of star trek.

    1. Re:yAWN by sheramil · · Score: 1

      Then I realized the fundamental mistake, the core problem of this (and it was shared by scott bacula's enterprise) THEY DO NOT DO ONE OFF STORIES!

      Pretty sure the Harcort Fenton Mudd story was a one-off. I found it odd how Mudd used an alien device to kill the crew several dozen times, and all they did was throw him to his ex-girlfriend.

    2. Re:yAWN by johanw · · Score: 2

      I disagree, I prefer the story arcs like Babylon 5 had, and Deep Space 9 a little.

    3. Re:yAWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a very simple litmus test for whether a story is entirely arc driven, hybrid, or short story form.

      If you start watching it and enjoy it right away with little confusion it probably has hybrid or short story form.

      If you start watching and cannot understand anything and you are totally lost and need to watch the entire season to figure out what is happening in that episode then it is definitely an arc driven story format (game of thrones was this way).

      I do not necessarily dislike the arcs, but star trek has always been and always will be a short story format show. Fans immediately can sense that enterprise and discovery both do not fit the original short story format, and it is a bit like drinking 'New Coke(tm)', its weird and doesn't feel right.

    4. Re:yAWN by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      I was so excited for another star trek. Then I realized the fundamental mistake, the core problem of this (and it was shared by scott bacula's enterprise) THEY DO NOT DO ONE OFF STORIES!

      What are you talking about? Enterprise Season 1 & 2 was almost all one-offs. It only started getting reasonable feedback when they started going to longer-form story arcs. It wasn't a perfect season by any means, but it was the strongest season 1 of any Star Trek. We forget how shakily they all started out.

    5. Re:yAWN by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      DS9 was a series of one-offs with an overreaching story arc tying them together, much like Dr. Who, where a season has a general overall theme that gets woven into the stories. You can still watch single episodes and get your entertainment out of them without having seen the whole season.

      That worked to some degree for the first seasons of Bab5 too, Not so much at the end where whole shows didn't make any sense if you didn't know the story taking you there.

      TNG was great in that aspect, because, while the characters had background stories that surfaced once in a while and older shows were referenced and events unfolded, every show could stand on its own and you could watch it without missing anything crucial or sitting there in "WTF just happened" frustration.

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    6. Re:yAWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are YOU talking about? Enterprise season 1 and 2 were not short format, the entire thing revolved around the on-going escalating war with the zindi and they never went on random planetary expeditions, they didn't explore unexplained phenomena in space. Quite frankly all they did was follow that one story arc and then the ratings bombed, people hated the intro, everyone HATED that they were using the captain character to torture another character (which was entirely against everything star trek was about) to attempt to give morality and normalicy to the united states own torturing of captives which was a blatant violation of the geneva convention.

      It just had no spirit from the original, no vision of a better future for human kind, and bad story form.

    7. Re: yAWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American style torture: hot chick in uniform sits in Muslim terrorist lap and rubs herself on him. Oh noes! The horrors that she was unclean (because she was female and therefore unworthy in the eyes of allah) and snuggling into her victim.

    8. Re:yAWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ENT had plenty of issues, but the Xindi arc was season 3 only (ok, the very last few chapters of season 2 also), the rating bombed long before that. As for 'dubious Star Trek captain decisions' I can see of more than a few actions worse than Archer's under better circumstances (Sisko poisoning an entire planet in "For the Uniform", Janeway's temporary Borg alliance in "Scorpion", etc. etc.).

  10. Link to the trailer for the rest of us. by BlacKSacrificE · · Score: 2
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    1. Re:Link to the trailer for the rest of us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Spock needs out help!"

      Holy crap, this is so painfully dumb in every way. This show is a gob of phlegm lobbed into the eyes to all of the fans of Trek.

  11. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 0

    I damn near modded you to -1 just for whining about it. 2 things to consider. Maybe your posts DO suck and only YOU think they are "worthy" of our time to read them, Not saying they are not or are but because you seem to only want to post anony then all bets are off since I admit I do tend to mod peeps who hide behind anon. You want a little respect then earn it. I get modded down all the time, doesn't bother me one little bit. I "prefer" to get modded up, but hey life is short. One thing I try NEVER to do is hide behind anony unless I already modded. Grow a pair and [or at least 1] and start standing up and owning your posts by actually post with your dick hanging out and a username for all to see.

  12. Re:Cue the butthurt by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really liked Enterprise. Or at least what it could have been. My only issue was casting Scott Bakula as his acting style has almost always rubbed me the wrong way. I like him in Quantum Leap but have not liked him since. The other chars were not so bad though, The dog was AWESOME and probably the 2nd best cast member after Connor Trinneer as Tucker,

  13. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "SICK AND TIRED" posting is a pro-Trump supporter who spams that as a psy-op to try to make the OP look like it's unhinged. There's nothing unhinged about hanging the traitor Trump, but that's their narrative objective.

    Even if he doesn't hang he's going to die in prison a traitor, which most everyone should realize by now.

  14. Re:Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hated Enterprise when it went down the temporal cold war thing with the xindi. That storyline destroyed the show, and what a lame lame fucking lame final episode we got.

  15. Trump hangs either way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the prison cell or from the gallows, he's a traitor either way.

    1. Re: Trump hangs either way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Trump will be penalized for his treason. Hopefully the pro-Trump who keep censoring me will hang alongside him. Moderators keep censoring my posts much the same way Trump refers to media outlets like CNN and NBC as fake news for telling the truth about him. The censorship of my posts is just another attack on the free press in the era of Trump. The pro-Trump moderators are simply imitating their master.

    2. Re: Trump hangs either way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because CNN and NBC are such great oracles of truth themselves, right?

  16. Don't tease Spock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's an aspie.

  17. Re:Cue the butthurt by Rockoon · · Score: 2

    Bakula should never play the role of a leader. He is perfect for the characters that have to begrudgingly do things that they dont want to do.

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  18. Re:Cue the butthurt by MrKaos · · Score: 2

    I really liked Enterprise. Or at least what it could have been. My only issue was casting Scott Bakula as his acting style has almost always rubbed me the wrong way.

    Maybe all of the Star Trek captains should *made* to perform Shakespeare, that what William Shatner and Patrick Stewart both had in common, even though their characters were completely different.

    Back in 2004 I said Enterprise would be the last Star Trek as it seems only the orignal fans saw the potential. I've given Discovery a chance as it is the first season and they did some things better than TNG so maybe I'll be glad to be wrong.

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  19. And The Russian? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right, killed in action by the Mueller Federation. The only good red is a dead red.

  20. Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Beyond the absolute abuse of Star Trek lore that was Star Trek: Discovery, the real problem with Star Trek is the lack of respect for the ideals of the series. I'd say it started as soon as Star Trek: DS9 where the Federation was presented as a cult and something that drives towards homogeny. That's something that Star Trek: Discovery actually gets right, but they ignore the actual reason.

    To draw a car analogy, people didn't adopt cars because they were forced on people. Cars (and automotive technology in general) greatly improve the overall happiness and well-being of society because it spurs trade and exchange, not only of goods at the global level but really at every step along the way because it provides a vital link in the network of trade. The same for trains and planes.

    By the same metric, the Federations policy of non-interference and cooperative self-defense and advancement inherently encourages the adoption of their policies and a desire to work with, associate, and eventually join their organization. The anti-theses of these, in the form of the Klingons and the Romulans, represent competition, war, and strife as a means to achieving their ends as a FOIL to present how those who engage in such activities will actively take what they feel they need if times are difficult; really no one is willing to simply give up and die when it's shown that working within the confines of their territory with their efforts can fail to meet their needs.

    Of course, that which the Federation represents is akin to something like Socialism/Communism/Libertarianism, but it's a TV show and no real serious effort has been put into how you avoid all the pitfalls of empowering anyone to a position where they'd actually manage the resources in a reasonable fashion. At least some effort has been made, though, in suggesting the Vulcans with their logic were at least heavily instrumental in first establishing such a system on Earth and those of Starfleet (except Admirals/Statesmen as story necessary) being pinnacles of virtue which strive to best represent the idles of the Federation not only in word but in action.

    And basically, out of some view of naivety shows since DS9 have either went the SJW route to the absurd (Voyager is exceptionally guilty of this) or going the exact opposite route (DS9's Sikso, Section 31, the whole Delphic Expanse part of Enterprise, Discovery, etc). Of course, plenty of technobabble has been used to paper it over.

    The necessary evil of it all is used to justify what is done. That's precisely the opposite of the core idealism that is Star Trek.

    1. Re:Forest for the Trees by BobC · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well said! However, please permit me a moment as the Devil's Advocate:

      I'm a fan of web comics, and I especially enjoy when a guest strip takes "liberties" with the strip's characters, back-story, pretexts, assumptions, and anything else. I find it always entertaining, and often surprisingly insightful.

      Similarly, I view ST:D as not so much as a sin against The "Real" Star Trek Ethos, but more as a jab in the ribs combined with a "Hey! Look over there!" misdirection. A spin, a bit of a twist, some true wit, and some fun action. I believe the Star Trek tent is big enough, and strong enough, to not exclude ST:D on principle.

      Hell, even ST:TOS was a mixed bag. Half of the episodes are flawed and forgettable. But the other half contained the real gems we treasure.

      I really don't think all the ST spin-offs, including ST:D, have done any damage that wasn't already perpetrated by ST:TOS.

      Don't even get me started on the movies. Just let ST-IV:TVH stand as the best ever and let it go.

    2. Re:Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fundamental plot device in Star Trek is the replicator: It's the device that symbolizes the absence of scarcity. You want it, you replicate it. That handwaves the problems with communism away and allows the characters to focus on "higher" pursuits which are not anchored in mere resource acquisition.

    3. Re:Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fundamental plot device in Star Trek is the replicator:

      While often repeated, that is not the case. The original Star Trek didn't have replicators. Farm colonies were formed precisely because agricultural resources were an issue and were a central plot point of many episodes (and one movie). Having said all that, Star Trek did have mass production in the form of machinery and one could argue when sufficiently built out has all the properties of replication.

      It is in many ways the fundamental argument behind the classical position of socialism: sufficient amounts of automation produces such abundance that the only real issue is managing production and distribution. The reality, of course, has consistently been that there are in fact limited resources, so no reduction of the number or size of factories really changes that: replicators must be massive energy losses* and they're only nominally tolerated because sufficient fusion reactors (and the like) make it acceptable for various luxuries but not to the exclusivity of the need for more pedestrian production.

      It's the device that symbolizes the absence of scarcity. You want it, you replicate it. That handwaves the problems with communism away and allows the characters to focus on "higher" pursuits which are not anchored in mere resource acquisition.

      In fact, if's precisely the opposite. "Greed is eternal." It's only by seeking higher pursuits can the path to hedonism be avoided in a university devoid of [meaningful] scarcity. Even in our clear scarcity laden world, obesity/gluttony is a problem that stems from this. Yes, in some societies obesity is seen as a positive because it's a sign of wealth, but in most 1st world countries there are sufficient social safety nets that very few every have to meaningfully face scarcity of food. Scarcity of other goods, yes, but poverty in most 1st world countries is usually very different.

      * Replicators are effectively nano-scale factories with highly variable construction parameters. Having machines of much larger scale producing the same thing has a higher upfront (energy) cost but the variable (energy) cost should be substantially lower in almost all cases. In no reasonable sense would you expect to just replicate everything unless you were on a cramped Starship were the flexibility of production outweighed the substantial energy cost. Even there, as much as its used as a plot device, it's made clear that you can't replicate everything.

    4. Re:Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm a fan of web comics, and I especially enjoy when a guest strip takes "liberties" with the strip's characters, back-story, pretexts, assumptions, and anything else. I find it always entertaining, and often surprisingly insightful.

      I have no problem with the idea of taking liberties to a series to give it a different spin especially because it can provide surprisingly insightful things. The problem is that most recent Star Trek has achieved this insightfulness mostly in its failings.

      Hell, even ST:TOS was a mixed bag. Half of the episodes are flawed and forgettable. But the other half contained the real gems we treasure.

      With this I don't disagree at all. A lot of TOS is based upon a combination of the mythical man, science fiction tropes, and western tropes. Yet it still manged to create an ethos that was intriguing precisely because in many ways it was different to all those things. At a fundamental level, it argued for a society that was not merely about following a set of rules but following a set of beliefs. It was one that favored mercy but knew the need for aggression. It was one that sought the wonders of the universe, not merely the technology to become all powerful.

      I really don't think all the ST spin-offs, including ST:D, have done any damage that wasn't already perpetrated by ST:TOS.

      Not sure if I should say spoiler alert, but ST:D is literally mirror universe evil captain and a complicit crew doing evil things. It presents an unstoppable force in the form of the Klingons to somehow try to justify that evil. Like I said earlier, it's only insightful if you see it for that.

      Don't even get me started on the movies.

      I don't disagree. Like you say, about half TOS is forgettable, and I'd say that easily applies at least that amount to the movies. I'm not someone who thinks the TOS is some pure thing (or TNG is a pure thing), but it's clear that the notion of the Federation having a moral compass was thrown away a long time ago.

      Part of that is precisely that TOS was sufficiently short to leave ambiguity to interpretation. The longer Star Trek is on the air, the more it's fleshed out and the more moral ambiguous--for drama reasons--stories are created which show that as high sounding as Star Trek ethics might be, it's hard to give a clear, simple answer to things. I don't fault later series for this in principle. What I fault is how rarely is there an attempt to even use Star Trek ethics to resolve issues because darker, edgier, and/or more technobabble solutions make for better drama.

      In many ways, I tend to view what Star Trek has become to be how Tuvok's simulation in "Worst Case Scenario" re-programmed by Seska behaves. There's clearly too much of an agenda and a desire to morph the story towards an end, rather than a real question of how things would or should play out given the characters. Sure, that makes for entertainment, but it's just not the same class of thing.

    5. Re:Forest for the Trees by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The difference is probably that the guest strips very, very rarely become canon. Unless the strip is SO off the rocker that it simply doesn't matter anyway.

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    6. Re:Forest for the Trees by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's the bit I don't understand. Why avoid hedonism? If there is no reason to toil to satisfy the basic needs of the Maslow pyramid, and if people are happy with that, where is the problem?

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    7. Re:Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hedonism is a pursuit, not an achievement. Happiness doesn't exist without its contrast, so the pursuit of happiness as the only driving force is doomed to failure.

    8. Re:Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with Star Trek Discovery, is that is probably would have been improved by not forcing it in to the Star Trek Universe. On its own it would be passable Sci-Fi, but it doesn't really fit in with the Star Trek universe.

      ST:TOS was a product of its time, and indeed quite flawed because of it. But instead of taking the good bits of TOS and improving on it, like TNG did, STD throws them away.

      I watched the first series, because it was on Netflix, but don't think I'll bother with the next, just like I haven't bothered with the new movies after the 2009 reboot.

      The new Treks are more of a money-grabbing attempt trading on the Star Trek brand, than a genuine attempt at expanding the Trek universe. If they don't want to fit in to the Trek universe, they would be better off developing a new universe of their own.

    9. Re:Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the bit I don't understand. Why avoid hedonism? If there is no reason to toil to satisfy the basic needs of the Maslow pyramid, and if people are happy with that, where is the problem?

      You clearly don't understand what hedonism is. Hedonism isn't about what makes you happy. It's about what makes you happier. This is just an inherent necessity because things that make you happy will, due to evolutionary dampening of repeated input, stop making you as happy until finally it'll likely make you unhappy.

      When you frame it like that, your question is like asking "Why avoid a cocaine addiction?" because that's basically refined hedonism.

    10. Re:Forest for the Trees by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why pursue happiness when it cannot be attained? If an endeavour is doomed from the start, it is not very logical to undertake it.

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    11. Re:Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they don't want to fit in to the Trek universe, they would be better off developing a new universe of their own.

      Making new universes is really expensive. First you have to make a big bang. It's a whole ordeal. So I can see why the want to hitch their wagon train to the stars.

      PS - Yea, obviously it's a money-grab. The sad part is there's plenty of examples where people have used a recognized brand and just went a different direction, like the GP eluded to. Clearly those who own the brand sold out , and they believe they can just print money. Admittedly, Roddenberry was guilty of that as well--Merchandising! Merchandising!--as well as not giving due credit. I'd say it's sickening, but it's shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations. It's why shorter copyrights are a good thing so new content has to be created instead of exploiting consumers weakness to sequalitis.

    12. Re:Forest for the Trees by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So at some point the couch potatoe will be unhappy veggin' away in front of the boob tube, i.e. what makes him happy now after 8 hours of "you want fries with that"? He would get up and do something with his life? Great! Mission accomplished!

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    13. Re: Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, even in TOS you have people like Robert Fox, Nilz Baris, Galactic High Commissioner Ferris, and the desk jockeys of Starfleet Command. And the death penalty for visiting Talos IV? Seriously?

      What would be more fun is a series called ST:KW. (Kirk's Women). There would be no end of stories.

    14. Re: Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, that's why I original said "those of Starfleet (except Admirals/Statesmen as story necessary) being pinnacles of virtue which strive to best represent the idles of the Federation not only in word but in action." It's easy to paint those immediately above you that you directly interact with as absurd or incompetent for a story while simultaneously arguing the system as a whole works. That's basically every system that anyone is a part of because humans are fallible and middle management is evil.

    15. Re:Forest for the Trees by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      It's the reason I liked the later seasons of DS9, when Sisko had to wrestle with weighing is high Federation ideals against the reality of fighting an enemy that really had no moral or ethical considerations whatsoever. And you know what, he did what leaders of principle have done in existential wars have always done. The principles had to be dumped to save the principles. It was that simple. The Federation and its allies were fighting a war that, if lost, meant those civilizations' ways of life would be over, where they would be tributary states. Obviously there was heavy allegory there, the Kardassians were basically the Poles, who had little problem when Nazi Germany was dismembering Czechoslovakia of taking their bite out of the pie, but then found themselves invaded and subjugated in their turn.

      The first three ST series; TOS, TNG and DS9, really did very well at balancing the moral ambiguity that comes along with being a military superpower that advertises itself as a peaceful and economically successful state. TOS laid the groundwork by introducing the essential principles, TNG fleshed that out, and probably is the purest adaptation of Roddenberry's view of the future, and then DS9 took the whole thing and baked it on to the crucible of a total war. The episode where Sisko helps Garak basically engineer fake evidence of an imminent attack on the Romulans, and Garak takes it to its natural conclusion by actually blowing up the Romulan Ambassador, is probably one of the finest in the whole canon. Those scenes where Sisko debates with himself, and then admits that he'd do it again, that's what made him my favorite ST captain, because it felt real in a way that Kirk (the principled swashbuckler) and Picard (the renaissance man) never did.

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    16. Re:Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they take cocaine and die of a heart attack when they're 40. There is no "8 hours of 'you want fries with that'" because post scarcity means people don't have to take those jobs unless they want to, so odds are most would actually die a lot less than 40. Even if we had a way to just induce the effects of cocaine in the brain without the rest of the harmful effects on the body, the ever increasing increase in the induction to maintain/increase the effect would still kill you.

      People in reality tend to run out of money and it's the crash and a recognition of where they're at which causes them to reevaluate their situation. Even then, a lot of people still go back to drugs (after a clean streak to earn money or through theft to buy drugs) because drugs feel a lot more awesome.

      But, yea, "Mission Accomplished!" Your simplistic overlooking of reality is precisely like that.

    17. Re:Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the reason I liked the later seasons of DS9, when Sisko had to wrestle with weighing is high Federation ideals against the reality of fighting an enemy that really had no moral or ethical considerations whatsoever.

      And generally this is why I like science fiction precisely because it can create wholly contrived situations just to explore them. The problem is precisely it was contrived just so they could justify characters doing wholly unethical things.

      And you know what, he did what leaders of principle have done in existential wars have always done. The principles had to be dumped to save the principles. It was that simple. The Federation and its allies were fighting a war that, if lost, meant those civilizations' ways of life would be over, where they would be tributary states.

      Many wars feel like that. It's the sort of easy hand waving to justify horrific actions. The same with painting "fighting an enemy that really had no moral or ethical considerations whatsoever". If anything, this is one area Star Trek could have shined precisely to show how construed those conceptions are when "fight or flight" and propaganda misrepresent the realty of the situation*.

      Obviously there was heavy allegory there, the Kardassians were basically the Poles, who had little problem when Nazi Germany was dismembering Czechoslovakia of taking their bite out of the pie, but then found themselves invaded and subjugated in their turn.

      Especially Kim. Seriously, though, I don't think you can so readily find an example as the Cardassian Occupation of Bajor was a pretty horrific thing that's rather hard to compare in scope. Regardless, the Federation abetting genocide to win is so morally reprehensible, how does one even begin to side with their "existential" concerns?

      * Jem'hadar spend 24/7 fighting, their own limit on troops is the amount they can clone, and similarly ship production/moving into the Alpha Quadrant before the whole mine field would have so overwhelming that a Blitzkrieg style of attack would have almost certainly decimated most Alpha Quadrant powers well before season 5. Clearly the amount of Federation ships available to fight doesn't jive with the scope that was deemed available to fight the Borg, and the Borg were a much more existential threat (and would have won too).

      It's easy to make stories where the only way to win is to eat a live baby bit by bit. That doesn't mean I cheer stories that explore it when the author thinks that's a good thing.

    18. Re: Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >waaah shit done changed!!

      Cry moar faggit!

    19. Re:Forest for the Trees by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for the part where you explain why this is a problem.

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    20. Re:Forest for the Trees by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Nice thread, Mighty Bob and the AC.

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    21. Re:Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fundamental plot device in Star Trek is the replicator: It's the device that symbolizes the absence of scarcity. You want it, you replicate it. That handwaves the problems with communism away and allows the characters to focus on "higher" pursuits which are not anchored in mere resource acquisition.

      While CBS Paramount are anchored in "mere resource acquisition."

    22. Re:Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the point of life was merely the pursuit of happiness without the regard for anything else, then there's every reason for everyone to just mass overdose on cocaine to guarantee the rest of their life is bliss. The notion though that "people are happy with that" presupposes that hedonism is in fact what is the point of life. Or the Maslow pyramid. In general people who start the use of drugs in part because they think in part it which improve their life but the mind altering aspects of drug interfere with their judgment either in interfering with their perceptions or in addicting changing their ability to readily make choices.

      People becoming drug addicts and dying is merely an incarnation of this fact. Especially many drug addicts express a duality of feeling about their drug use which heavily implies that the mind consists of a duality (or more) of thought which heavily undermines the ability to argue that any single action is correct for the whole person. This is in part the reason why society tends to promote activities that induce fulfillment in the whole person, not merely encouraging the promotion of one activity that merely swamps out (for a time) the perceptions of a person and may come to merely dictate to the whole person how they run their life.

      tl;dr Think of a person as a village. You don't want a village that is a dictatorship, no how matter how benevolently you perceive that dictator to be.

    23. Re:Forest for the Trees by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What I don't understand is that you propose here only two possible outcomes. Either he's living a life in misery with a miserable job that he comes home from and spends a few hours in front of the tube, or, lacking that miserable job, he heads for drugs.

      Facing only this choice, the drugs are actually the better choice. I don't know if you realize that. Unless you really want to propose that misery is better than artificial happiness.

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    24. Re:Forest for the Trees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While often repeated, that is not the case. The original Star Trek didn't have replicators.

      I distinctly remember the Air Force guard being served food from a replicator in the TOS episode where they were shot back in time to be a UFO above earth (as seen by a fighter pilot) in the late 1960s.

  21. Tig Notaro by BobC · · Score: 3, Informative

    I won't join CBS All Access for ST:D, but when it eventually does reach other distribution channels I want there to be episodes containing Tig Notaro. I believe she's one of the great comics of our time, and a fine dead-pan actor as well.

    I don't care if she brings the entire ST:D franchise down in a smoldering inferno: I'll bring marshmallows.

    1. Re:Tig Notaro by denzacar · · Score: 1

      That is kinda like saying "I don't care about Star Wars anyway - but I love the prequels because of Samuel L. Jackson is in them."

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    2. Re:Tig Notaro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is kinda like saying "I don't care about Star Wars anyway - but I love the prequels because of Samuel L. Jackson is in them."

      Except for the part where people like Samuel L. Jackson.

    3. Re: Tig Notaro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, didn't think such a person existed. Don't find her funny, at all.

    4. Re:Tig Notaro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope she does bring it down.

      I really, really liked Tig in her first special after her surgery. It was wonderful! She was open and real and revealing and outrageous.

      But she doesn't seem to be a kind improviser: Friends went to the local show last year, and my friends wanted to leave when Tig ended up simply criticizing everyone during her 'floor work'. People were uncomfortable and Tig was at best unkind, let alone lacking any entertainment value.

      So yes: I look forward to her getting ST:D cancelled.

  22. Re: MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by jareth-0205 · · Score: 0

    I'm intrigued as to your logic. (and by intrigued i mean dumbfounded)

    How is it fine to post AC but not moderate AC? You know that moderation has been on /. since, well, the year dot? Saying something that is intrinsic to the site is ruining it, you might as well just say you don't like the site at all.

  23. I'm so not intrigued about Spock by jareth-0205 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Full disclosure: I rather enjoyed the first season, certainly not perfect but the strongest season one of any Star Trek series.

    I can't understand the wish for the writers to keep linking back so heavily to the existing characters though... Star Wars is having this problem too. The universe just seems smaller when they keep bumping into the same people. Haven't we seen enough of Spock through the decades, the character has been very well explored? The best parts of Discovery have been the new characters, when we spend time with them its interesting and fun. We don't need to keep linking back.

  24. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe you should create your own message board. With blackjack! And hookers!

    In fact, forget the message board.

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  25. Re:Cue the butthurt by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Call her Santa for all I care, it still doesn't make the character interesting.

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  26. Re: MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by DeBaas · · Score: 0

    I sure hope we don't use a signed 32 bit int to count with year dot. ...

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  27. Sorry, still not buying it by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    I like Star Trek. Not really with a passion or being the guy that knows the first name of some crewman that was visible in the background of an obscure episode that was shown once but never in reruns, but I like it. Pretty much all of them, to varying degree. TOS had its charm, with its foam rocks and rubber mask aliens, it was like some sort of really well made 60s scifi show (watch some other 60s scifi shows and you know why I said "well made"). I liked the writing of TNG, they had some very good episodes with quite thought provoking social commentary. DS9's appeal was in the conflict and resolution thereof, pitting various races that didn't interact too much before into a confined space and pretty much requiring them to work together in some fashion. Voyager offered a chance to see what the values of the Federation are actually worth when there is no Federation to rely on, and we had a chance to see a few new races with new social conflicts to bounce the characters off.

    And then came Enterprise. And I didn't like it. Why? Because it blew the timeline apart. Making a prequel in scifi is hard. Usually one of the few things you cannot do is to introduce new races because, well, why don't they exist in what's supposed to be later times? The usual solution is either genocide or some time travel fuckups. Enterprise decided to not decide and just do both. I still think the smart thing to do would have been to rely on established, lesser used races, give them a new back story, make some of those that will later be allies enemies and run with it. It would certainly have been interesting because you already know that they will be allies in the future but how did you get there? How did you turn a bitter enemy into a later ally? That could again have offered some chance for some interesting social aspect, since we, as humans, are pretty much constantly in that problem. Former enemies become allies, former allies become enemies. It would actually have been interesting if the Klingons would have been more inclined to cooperate with the federation at first, only to see some blunder (preferably by T'Pol, just to make things interesting) piss them off to the point that they're still bitter enemies centuries later.

    Anyway. Now this. I don't know, it just doesn't click. The characters come across less like a star fleet crew and more like a self-help group. They're busier trying to deal with their own personal problems than actually doing some kind of "space stuff". Don't get me wrong, it's actually refreshing to see characters in Star Trek that are more than cartoony hero cookie-cutter characters, but this is definitely overdoing it.

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    1. Re:Sorry, still not buying it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The characters come across less like a star fleet crew and more like a self-help group. They're busier trying to deal with their own personal problems than actually doing some kind of "space stuff".

      I have one word for you: Millennials.

    2. Re:Sorry, still not buying it by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Millennials are more interested in their OWN personal problems, not those of someone else. At least if they can't pretend to "help" them.

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    3. Re:Sorry, still not buying it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enterprise started out weak was one problem. That being said, TNG had a really weak first season too. Second season improved a little. Third season a little more. The sad part was that the final season of Enterprise actually got pretty good and that of course was when they canceled it.

      I think one issue inherent in the prequels is in fact related to the alien races and it's that the earlier shows all tended to portray alien races as mostly homogenous. All Vulcans were cold and logical and all Klingons were fierce warriors. Of course this makes no sense from a look at reality perspective, even simple animals display unique personalities, so obviously an intelligent alien race would have any number of different sorts. Then you get into the logic, so the Klingons are supposed to be these brutes that care only for battle, how on earth did they then develop a technologically advanced society?

      So later shows/seasons created more nuanced views with real individuals. We got to learn about Klingon scientists and farmers and whatever. But then you're left trying to reconcile that with the overly simplistic views that are supposedly "later".

    4. Re:Sorry, still not buying it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then who buys all those magazines next to the grocery check-out? You know the ones, those with the personal lives of movie celebrities, fashion models, and royalty all over the cover. Someone is interested in the personal problems of others.

    5. Re:Sorry, still not buying it by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Over here that's considered granny reading material.

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  28. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1, Informative

    My posts are of a high quality,

    Oh yeah? How about you link to some?

    Moderation is censorship. It needs to stop.

    No it isn't. Grow up you whiny little shit.

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  29. UK {and possibly elsewhere) viewable version by Stephen+R+Hall · · Score: 1
  30. Re:Cue the butthurt by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    The temporal cold war story was weak, but season 3 was mostly pretty good. It had potential, many of the classic Trek elements like reflecting the problems of today and exploring moral dilemmas...

    For some reason they just couldn't hold it together though, too many bad episodes and ideas.

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  31. Re:Cue the butthurt by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Trek is strange in that the series with the most hammy acting and plots are somehow the best too. If TNG season 1 was made now it would have been cancelled after 8 episodes.

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  32. LEONARD NEMOY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HE DEAD

  33. Season 1 was sooo bad, will wait for next Orville by ffkom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Star Trek Discovery" season 1 was such a boring mess of depressing blood-sweat-and-tears story diluted over way to many hours of airtime that I will rather wait for another Orville season to breathe some fresh air into the genre.

  34. Re:Cue the butthurt by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    I think that people have forgotten how to mix fun with seriousness. Everything has to be drama drama drama and if they don't get their dopamine hit everything is lame.

    I can't remember which episode it was when Kirk was explaining to the leaders of a population "You just make the decision. We won't kill Today!" humorous and serious at the same time.

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  35. Throw-away email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grow a pair and [or at least 1] and start standing up and owning your posts by actually post with your dick hanging out and a username for all to see.

    So says the guy who's not using his real name and has an account with a throw-away email address.

    Most of you people are just big talking jack-asses.

    1. Re:Throw-away email by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 1

      not a throw away email at all and back when I initially signed up to this site [as thequestor] but lost my info so many years ago I forgot so a few years later I tried to recover it I gave up and made my handle "theREALquestor". I use this nick [thequestor] on maybe 100 or so different sites/forums/whatever and a simple google of "thequestor" returns almost 7000 hits and nearly all of them are me so I am not exactly hiding behind anything. Back when I signed up the 1st time and then years later as TheReal [only used on here because someone it seems took over my original login] so no sir I am NOT hiding at all. Google me or look at my profile. My real name is there [well my 1st name anyway as there are limits of how much info I wanted to give back then] but my real email address is there and if you send me an email via it I will get it and respond lol. I have both balls in the water here unlike you AC basement dwellers,

  36. Re:Season 1 was sooo bad, will wait for next Orvil by AncalagonTotof · · Score: 1

    Agreed. Complete stall when they first spoke about this tardigrade thing. OK, this is Sci Fi, but a minimum of credibility is required.
    Beside that, The Orville is like a Star Trek clone / homage done right.

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  37. Maybe I'm alone, but I liked it by Kwirl · · Score: 1

    The original Star Trek and most of its successors never really impressed me, but Discovery was a great change of pace for me. The way it included heavy moral choice and something more than 'all alien life can be distinguished by what is different about their forehead and ears' - i loved the whole thing. It might not be for everyone, but don't listen to all the skepticism, if you aren't a Trekkie, then this just might be a Sci-Fi show that you can enjoy.

    1. Re:Maybe I'm alone, but I liked it by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If that's what you liked about ST:D, then I hope you watched Babylon 5. The acting in the first season is a bit painful, but it checks those boxes more firmly than any other Sci-Fi show.

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  38. Re: MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol and here I thought your one liner garbage posts were just a script.

    1: scan front door for new posts
    2: once found, open article
    3: post random line from message boards of cnn, msnbc or Vox
    4: go to step 1.

    It never occurred to me a person at keyboard was doing the actual crap posting by hand.

    You should not be moderated down. You should just be flat out perma banned.

  39. HELLO IDIOTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hello idiot publisher. "This video is not available". It's a FUCKING TRAILER. You protect the trailer from what exactly? Here's a clue: Business 101, you WANT as many people as possible to see your trailer and be interested in PAYING and seeing the full show.

    I paid for and thoroughly enjoyed ST:D through Netflix.

    I'll HAPPILY PIRATE THAT SHIT if you remove any legal means for me to see the show. Me: happy omnoming pizza and watching the pirated show. You: NO MONIES from me doing that.

    Fuck you.

    1. Re:HELLO IDIOTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello idiot publisher. "This video is not available". It's a FUCKING TRAILER. You protect the trailer from what exactly? Here's a clue: Business 101, you WANT as many people as possible to see your trailer and be interested in PAYING and seeing the full show.

      I paid for and thoroughly enjoyed ST:D through Netflix.

      I'll HAPPILY PIRATE THAT SHIT if you remove any legal means for me to see the show. Me: happy omnoming pizza and watching the pirated show. You: NO MONIES from me doing that.

      Fuck you.

      Well, here in the US we can watch the trailer, but can't actually watch the show without paying for a subscription to some garbage network with nothing else on it.

      I'd say, you're getting the better deal.

  40. Re:Cue the butthurt by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    I would have kept watching Enterprise just for the Andorians.

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  41. Midichlorians, engage! by mrsam · · Score: 1

    After all first-season episodes came out I binge-watched them all. I saw nothing that I recognized as the "Star Trek" that I knew. The main premise of the show, apparently, is that Discovery is powered by midichlorians. If you think I'm kidding, watch the whole thing yourself. Plus all the obvious pandering to the SJWs. Roddenberry knew how to address social issues of his day without being obvious, patronizing, or preaching; and with skill. Whoever wrote all that first-season crap doesn't know anything.

    It wasn't long before my interest switched from the initial curiosity, to watching a flaming dumpster fire. In that respect, the show was actually watchable. But it was watchable mostly for the same reason I always look at gruesome highway wrecks, when going in the opposite direction. I can't wait to see the how awful season 2 will be.

    "The Orville" is obviously a better Trek than "Discovery" could possibly be. Whichever clown is the executive producer of Discovery is not a Trekkie, doesn't know anything beyond having a cursory knowledge of awareness about what TOS was, and is only looking to generate revenue. McFarlane is a known Trekkie, and it shows. It shows to the extent that "The Orville" is not a rip-off, or a lame fan-fic; but a tribute, paying homeage to TOS. It manages to accurately capture and remake TOS, in every way including the overall, high level results: a few memorable episodes I would easily believe were penned by Roddenbery himself; a few forgettable turkeys, with the rest being watchable and interesting; but nothing special, and only die-hard nerds will ever care about them, years from now. Just like TOS was.

    Discovery doesn't even come close. When the big reveal was unveiled, with pomp and fanfare (the one about Discovery being powered by midichlorians) the show became an instant dumpster fire, worth watching only for its dumpster fire factor.

    1. Re:Midichlorians, engage! by najajomo · · Score: 1

      "After all first-season episodes came out I binge-watched them all. I saw nothing that I recognized as the "Star Trek" that I knew."

      Fasinating .. I totally concur !

  42. Instant veggie drive by Mr307 · · Score: 1

    I just can't get past that one, stopped watching about that point, havn't missed it since.

    Orville is great though.

  43. Re:This is going to bother the republican INCELS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    usually, it's SJW guys and girls who are the incels. Fat, ugly, whiny, effeminate, etc..

  44. Re: Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am currently re-watching Voyager and I like it, it has its bad episodes but overall I am enjoying it. It's light years better than STD in every way. I couldn't get to finish that pile of sh't

  45. Re:Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    socjus brainwashed kids like you, whose feelings have been catered to at the expense of reality and society's future, are in no place to call anyone else 'losers.'

  46. Re:Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No way. The crying vulcans of Enterprise and the Janeway preaching in Voyager pale in comparison to this garbage. Discovery plays out like a political PSA rather than bona-fide entertainment.

  47. Re:Season 1 was sooo bad, will wait for next Orvil by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    Is it any different than every other TNG-era episode invoking "phase converters" and "tachyon beams"? Or really, the whole "send a star ship into high warp around the sun to go back in time" introduced in TOS and invoked a number of times, including one of the movies. Yes, it was a bit jarring, but I think they dealt with it by the end of the season a lot better than Star Wars did with midichlorians in its prequels.

    All in all I enjoyed it. I thought the overall pacing and storylines were rather good, and once I got used to the updated Klingons, I was able to get comfortable with it. The lead characters had a good chemistry, which is critical, and is largely why Voyager failed so badly. There are so many ways Discovery could have gone bad, like Enterprise did, but all in all it really isn't that bad.

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  48. Re:Cue the butthurt by David_Hart · · Score: 1

    The temporal cold war story was weak, but season 3 was mostly pretty good. It had potential, many of the classic Trek elements like reflecting the problems of today and exploring moral dilemmas...

    For some reason they just couldn't hold it together though, too many bad episodes and ideas.

    This... the Temporal cold war story was where they lost me. This, to me, seemed like a TNG storyline that ended up on the cutting floor but was shoe-horned into the Archer timeline.

    Between that and their devotion to the Prime Directive. The reason why this irked me is because even though the Prime Directive was in place during the Kirk timeline, he ignored it when it suited him. Why? Because when you are the weaker power (Klingons seemed to have a larger presence and, for the most part, stronger ships) in the universe you don't always have the luxury of a moral debate. We also had story lines where Kirk paid the price and learned why the Prime Directive was important. What they should have done is made Archer more of a cowboy than even Kirk with a gradual progression towards adherence to the Prime Directive as they made lasting mistakes and as the Federation grew.

  49. Good grief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are intent on raping every last piece of canon for a buck, aren't they? CBS should be ashamed, straight-up. It's dead folks, and it's starting to stink. Bury it, already.

  50. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody watches CBS All Access.

  51. Re:Cue the butthurt by Zumbs · · Score: 1

    The temporal cold war story was weak, but season 3 was mostly pretty good. It had potential, many of the classic Trek elements like reflecting the problems of today and exploring moral dilemmas...

    Time travel can be ok for a single episode, but as the main plot device for most of a series ... it is crap. After seeing the pilot, I hoped that it would just be one or two episodes with that crap and the rest of the show would be classic episodic trek. No such luck. As I remember it, I found season 4 to be the best. Just make sure to skip the last episode.

    It seemed that the Xindi attack against Earth and the ensuing war was a jab at the war on terror, but it fell flat for one, single reason: With their attack, the Xindi proved that they were an existential thread against Earth. Terrorism is not and never has been an existential thread against the US. Battlestar Galactica was much, much better at raising these questions in a thought provoking way.

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  52. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by mnemotronic · · Score: 0
    Anonymous Coward wrote:

    I am SICK AND TIRED of moderators being abusive and censoring my posts to -1. Nobody addresses my posts and explains why they belong at -1. My posts are of a high quality, yet they get censored very quickly and nobody ever bothers to justify the censorship. ...

    • * From what I've seen, Slashdot moderators are accused of being both pro and anti President Trump, pro and anti Hillary, pro and anti American and pro and anti matter.
    • * Consider:

      Some people regard themselves as perfect, but only because the demand little of themselves -- Hermann Hesse

      ... The usernames of moderators censoring these posts should be made public. ...

    • * Is this irony or something else?
    • Moderation is censorship. It needs to stop.

    • * Moderation in all things. Including moderation.
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  53. stupid MBAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    firefox wants more marketshare "oh I know, lets make it more like Chrome!"

    star trek wants more marketshare "oh I know, lets make it more like Star Wars"

    what's next, vi wants more marketshare "oh I know, lets make it more like emacs"

    WTF. Do these people not understand variety? motivations? personal preference? humanity?

  54. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by fafalone · · Score: 0

    Well, as someone who attracts the ire of right and left alike, there's definitely bad moderators on both sides of the aisle. Where your post ends up often depends on either who hits it first, or how mad the truth makes them (both the right and left). But that factual validity and intellectual honesty are not even a factor is definitely a valid criticism, because so many /.ers on both sides completely suspend the logic, reason, and truthful parts of their brain on political topics. After all, there's no dedicated moderators here, just random users with mod points, assuming they're not in the metamod penalty box from when the fact and integrity challenged hit up metamods...
    What's made it a lot worse was the change to the metamoderation system; where instead of judging whether a given moderation is appropriate, you just thumbs up or thumbs down the comment. It's absolutely terrible, and is definitely resulting in mod points being taken away inappropriately.
    ps, [generic age old gripe about moderation options]

  55. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It can be. It depends on intent.

  56. Re:Season 1 was sooo bad, will wait for next Orvil by Noishkel · · Score: 1

    I really wanted ST:D to be good, I really did. But when the actors and producers started shitting on the fans on social media I could tell that there was going to be problems. And when the show finally did drop what we ended up with was a very pretty show with nice special affects, but with the writing that's more on par with garbage tear fan fiction.

  57. Region Restricted TOP TIP by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

    Copy and paste a region-blocked video url to streamable.com and re-host it for instant, unfettered non-geo-blocked access. Fun for all the family!

    https://streamable.com/wf3mu

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  58. December 30th by meglon · · Score: 1

    Sadly we have to wait till December 30th for the new Star Trek episodes. http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/u...

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  59. Re:Cue the butthurt by greenwow · · Score: 1

    Or likable. Why would you pick an actress for the main part that is such a horrible person that it shines through on screen? I understand trying to be edgy by picking someone gender-ambiguous and unpleasant, but not for the main character!

  60. Re:Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As an FtM, I hated how they portrayed us. It (did they every confirm the character was a man or a woman?) was ugly, unpleasant, and stupid. It was supposed to have been educated by Vulcans, but in the very first show it does something so stupid that it starts a war.

  61. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by thegarbz · · Score: 0

    My posts are of a high quality

    Your post is Offtopic.

    If Slashdot doesn't fix the abusive moderation, users will continue to leave this site and never return

    I've seen this comment repeated frequently the past 20 years.

    If my thoughtful and high quality posts keep getting censored to -1, I'll leave as well.

    If you're modded to -1 frequently chances are we won't miss you.

    It's ridiculous that moderation has become an agree/disagree vote and Trump lovers can keep voting my posts down because they disagree with them.

    The fact you think that the mods here are pro Trump is a very good indication that your posts are of an especially shithouse quality.

  62. Re:Cue the butthurt by schweini · · Score: 1

    And the horrible theme song! :-(

    But Enterprise was at least real Star Trek: full of optimism, exploring the rights and wrongs of the human condition when exposed to strange situations.

    Discovery, OTOH, is just a dark-y wannabe scifi action series with exaggerated visuals

  63. Less SJW Crap Hopefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm hoping the writers have less SJW crap and clean up their language.

  64. Re:Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I would have kept watching Enterprise just for the Andorians.

    The Andorians were one of the few really good things in Enterprise. Too few appereances though. It is worth watching those episodes with them, and a couple of others but by no means the whole 4 seasons of Enterprise.

  65. Re: They Dont Want Your Eyeballs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dont give them your eyes and thinking bits if they so obviously dont want them.

  66. Re: Shithole cuntry has shitty tabloids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My cuntry doesnt have those. Your cuntry sounds like a real shithole!

  67. Re: Raeped like your Mom with a strapon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You sound BIGLY important and not at all like a typical Amerikuk. Im sure youll be a millionaire any day now with your new tax cuts! lolz!!

  68. Re: MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a non-american, I find it very tiresome that every single article on /. is spammed With posts about american politics! No matter what the article is about.

  69. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by CaptnCrud · · Score: 0

    its all fun and games until disney fires you for something your dumb self said 10 years ago.

  70. Re: Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Discovery is disappointing on many levels... One is the poorly made yet again different klingons! I could forgive TOS since they apparently had the budget of a beggar.... But discovery had the resources.... A shame they decided on a very lame moneygrab

    Suffice to say, I Will not be getting the show in BR or DVD. I watch it on Netflix since it is free but it is not really ST in my book

  71. Re:Cue the butthurt by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    Yeah, it's one of those things like the Holocaust, Enterprise or Voyager where it's not enough to just not watch it. Everyone connected with the show needs to hunted down, even to darkest Brazil where they are pretending to be dentists, brought back to civilisation and put on trial for crimes against humanity in order to dissuade future generations from trying to do the same thing.

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  72. Re:Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Between that and their devotion to the Prime Directive.

    The Prime Directive did not exist during Enterprise.

    "Someday my people are going to come up with some sort of a doctrine: something that tells us what we can and can't do out here – should and shouldn't do. But until somebody tells me that they've drafted that directive, I'm going to have to remind myself every day that we didn't come out here to play God."

  73. stay out of our progressivism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, rock, we know what your stances are concerning progressivism. You've always been a racist, women-in-the-kitchen-and-on-my-dick kind of poster. We can look your posts up, dude. Your post is a dumbass attempt at usurping progressivism and making it what the hell you want it to be which is usually opposite reality. You already fucked the GOP up, tea-tard, you ain't doing it to us too.

  74. Re: Cue the butthurt by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    STD is better than an STD. But it's close.

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  75. It needs to fix the problems of 1st season by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't watch the trailer (region), but ST:D has serious issues which must be fixed if the show is to succeed, a few of these:

    1. Show not tell. The show sins here repeatedly. Think of the status updates on the War (which we are never made to care about), and Michael informing the crew about the Mirror Universe (really, in that Universe people all but walk with neon signs 'I am evil'. What kind of show needs that introduction??).

    2. Action and characters over Sci-Fi (or anything else). The first season felt like watching on fast-forward. Barely any episodic chapters, fast action nearly all the time. This is OK in general, but there are thousands of series like this. ST typical audience needs a different attitude.

    3. Barely any characters except Michael. We don't even know the names of all the bridge crew members! ST:D actually had decent characters... Which were immediately ignored or had their potential wasted. Can't give much more without too many spoilers.

    4. Michael's character arc was also super-compressed and badly executed. One example, she's supposed to hate Klingons and lose that hatred by the final. But we don't see any of that hatred between the pilot and the final, so that confession in the final loses all dramatic potential (that's also why a particular accusation by another character in the previous chapter made no sense at the time. It should have if this was properly developed).

    5. The Klingon arch made no sense. At all.

  76. Re:Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ^ THIS, A MILLION TIMES THIS

    Enterprise was a fine Star Trek series, handicapped only by Scott Bakula's shit hammy over-acting. If almost ANYONE else had been cast in that role, we would remember it fondly.

  77. Re:MODERATION IS CENSORSHIP by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    Ha! GP claims "quality post" yet somehow forgets to reference it in rant. I bet he'd like to revise the voting systems of the world. Complaining about the ONE thing that I believe keeps /. alive...APK is such a hoot, ain't he?

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  78. Re:Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "doesn't suck as bad as Enterprise or Voyager, "
    You take that back!

  79. Stupid US Distro by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    Making this the alleged Crown Jewel of CBS online was stupid. I watched a stream from someplace else. Not putting it out over OTA or via Netlfix, which I already pay for is stupid. I'll probably find a stream again, but it's not worth an individual subscription.

  80. Re:Cue the butthurt by mjwx · · Score: 1

    I really liked Enterprise. Or at least what it could have been. My only issue was casting Scott Bakula as his acting style has almost always rubbed me the wrong way. I like him in Quantum Leap but have not liked him since. The other chars were not so bad though, The dog was AWESOME and probably the 2nd best cast member after Connor Trinneer as Tucker,

    Enterprise got good in Season 3, the first two were pretty bad. The first season was so bad I didn't even finish it and didn't get around to watching it again until 2008. Season 4 was also good but you can tell they piled in the next 3-4 seasons of ideas in the last half a season because they knew they were about to be cancelled, hence why is was good.

    To me Bakula was OK, a little bland but OK. Connor Tinneer is the most annoying actor and character I've ever seen.

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  81. CBS is scum due to CBS All access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Star Trek used to be on the air. Lets use technology to screw people and gain ourselves.

  82. Re: Cue the butthurt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For one single reason: the 'S'.

  83. Re:Cue the butthurt by scottrocket · · Score: 1

    I think that people have forgotten how to mix fun with seriousness. Everything has to be drama drama drama and if they don't get their dopamine hit everything is lame.

    I can't remember which episode it was when Kirk was explaining to the leaders of a population "You just make the decision. We won't kill Today!" humorous and serious at the same time.

    "A Taste of Armageddon". That quote, in longer form is one of my favorite TOS lines: "We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it! We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes... knowing that we won't kill today."

    (Yes I had to look it up : ) )

  84. Re:Cue the butthurt by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 1

    Trip rocked! Named one of my dogs after him lol.

  85. Re:Cue the butthurt by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    I love the cadence of how Kirk says it, "We won't kill, Today!" - total Shakespeare.

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