This is why this story is interesting. It's not because it was a goofy home page that may or may not have been spoofed or anything like that (apparently a lot of people are missing this point and flaming/. for posting the story). There's some sort of phenomenon going on here. I think we need a Katz article on this! "Something Something in the Post-Mahir Era"
-beme
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Breaking them up could be good. First, I don't think they would be allowed such a close relationship as they have now. If the application division gets access to any 'hidden' api features then other app developers would be allowed that access as well. Secondly, a separate application division would be free to develop software for all OS's, regardless of how the OS division felt about it. I dunno, though. It does depend on a lot of legal stuff, and I'm no expert there.
When looking for solutions, we probably should look at the behavior we want to prevent: leveraging OS to force app sales and vice versa, bullying hardware mfgs and OEMs, etc. I'm not sure how opening the source would help either of those issues, and I'm not sure there is a nice one-size-fits all solution.
I thought the real problem was with Microsoft's agreements with OEMs, not customers. I can defend Microsoft's right to produce products it chooses and sell them to people who are willing to buy them at the same time I protest Microsoft's anti-competitive abuse of monopoly power.
Big deal except for Derek and Jon. Now they can't work on the stuff anymore. It's a shame that these guys are getting bullied out of doing something they were probably enjoying.
Disclaimer: I know neither of them and only know what I've read from the link in the story, so I'm no expert. Oh, and it looks like there probably was some violation of UK law (albeit one that I'd say is a bad one). Oh2, I also don't care much about the DVD thing, so maybe your point is more valid for those who do.
Well, this is a press release, not an actual software release. It could turn out that a year from now it's announced for some other OS and someone says "Other OS???!!! What about the BeOS port promised a long time ago?"
It's nice in that people who previously would never have been quoted in mainstream media are allowed a place to voice an opinion that might actually get quoted elsewhere, but I think it's also a danger. I don't want to see the 'quality' or style of posts changing because people think their post might get picked up by Wired etc. And I suppose there is something to be said for actually backing up a quote with the quotee's credentials, bio, etc.
How about you doing the recording, and several other people doing the playback? Real handy for line dancing.:) Wonder if you could use it to teach people how to do things (like dancing, for example)? Combine it with cloning and some impressive VR feedback, and you'd never have to leave the house. Just control your clone out into the dangerous world.. it gets hurt, just plug in another. Good for soldiers.
Thrown into prison for writing a paper, and a fictional one at that. Isn't that a big step towards fascism? If the kid were a Chinese dissident writing political commentary...and it happened in China, I guess I wouldn't be too shocked.
Yeah, I'm already working on a list of authors who have written disturbing or subversive fiction so I can request that the FBI haul them in for 'evaluation.'
"The government has never been against anyone citizen or corperation of the United States"
Well, maybe not overtly, but check this out: http://www.bullatoms ci.org/issues/1994/nd94/nd94bulletins.html http://dilbert.daily.umn. edu/daily/1995/10/03/news/spray/ Those friendly guys in our government lied to us. This is not the only case, I'm sure (and I got tired of trying to separate the wacko (my opinion) sites from the real ones in tracking down coverup info). If our government is willing to do things like this to us and lie about it, why should we believe anything they say about invading our privacy to catch terrorists, etc. Hell, for all I know they only set up this Echelon crap to get around the rules about spying on the public and they are gathering as much dirt on us as they can, just to have in case they want to mess with us. If it exists.:)
I guess I'm assuming that eventually everything will be broadband, so if you want to make a phone call, you're going to need it. This article seems relevant, since we're most likely talking about new construction in rural areas to upgrade the existing equipment.
"...a lifestyle choice and don't deserve it. And if you do get broadband, I hope you are paying the real cost -- not relying on subsidies from higher density areas..."
Deserves? Nice attitude. What about farmers, doctors, etc. that must live in low density areas? Screw them, huh?
I agree that people buying motherboards would be the doityerselfer type who would probably be interested in Linux. But aren't those same people the ones who would probably want to choose their own distro, or already have a distro they want to use? I wonder if it would/will do anything for user numbers at all.
Too specialized? What difference does it make? Plenty of hardware comes with bundled software that's pretty specialized. Video cards, scanners, cdr/rw drives, sound cards, etc. Many products come with software that only works in Windows, and sometimes only Windows 95/98. I myself probably have 10 or more software products that I have never used that came bundled with hardware. I'd wager they're only planning this to generate some hype and it has nothing to do with what they think of Linux.
Off-topic, but if you had a product that people might use to compete with a Microsoft product, would you make a lot of noise about it, or would you quietly work on it while saying it's intended to co-exist with Microsoft's product? Me, I'd do my best to stay off Microsoft's radar screen until I had something that was really ready to compete, for fear of being FUD'ed out of a job. Just me, though.
As a BeOS user, I'd say the problem is not the web-browser, it's all those damn non-pure-HTML thingies (good tech term there)!:) Ever have those days when you wish client-side scripting had never been created? Or wish for the good ol' days when web sites had maybe one or two images on them? Ahhhh....
(of course, I'm kidding about the 'problem isn't with the OS I use, it's with everyone else' bit...well, partially kidding:))
Well, the feds recently admitted to dumping toxic material over some cities in Minnesota to see what happened. Or something like that. If one of the myths turns out to be true, that opens the door for all the others.
You are talking about more than setup and configuration now, though. The 'miles ahead' comment was about setup and configuration. I could set up and 'configure' several BeOS systems before finishing the install for one NT system.
Yeah, that autorpm comment is pretty bogus if you consider the 'fact' (my opinion, really) that knowing what an NT service pack does to your system is probably trickier (sure, there's a list of fixes, but it seems there's always a 'numerous other minor fixes' item).
I'll agree that the horse is probably in little bits by now, but the problem with all these arguments (IMHO) is that they focus on the wrong thing: speed. I'm not a stenographer or a typist, so why the hell do I care how many WPM I can get? Granted, you don't want a layout that slows you down, but if the difference in speed isn't huge, why not choose the one that's more comfortable? For me, that's Dvorak. I happen to type faster on it, but that's just a side benefit. The big thing is that my wrists don't start hurting after a few hours at the keyboard. Of course, I do a fair bit of pointing and clicking, too, so that helps the pain factor a bit.
http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ and http://www.dvortyboards.com/ have Dvorak keyboards. There are probably more. I have one of the dvortyboards ones, and it's ok. Don't much care for the feel of the keys, though, so I'm saving for one of the kinesis ones. Biggest benefit to me with Dvorak has been typing speed (couldn't type on qwerty at all, so that's not saying much) and comfort. Oh, and there's a bit of geek-factor to it, too.;)
What you're failing to realize is that once money is involved in a transaction it is no longer the same money it was prior to the transaction. The act of taxing changes the money, and what's left over is new, untaxed money. See, when you look at it this way, you're never taxed on the same money more than once. :P It is Friday, and not only am I logic-impaired, I seem to be humor-impaired as well. Where's the beer?
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Who's telling you the choices have been narrowed down? The media? Don't believe them. There's still plenty of time, and plenty of candidates.
-beme
This is why this story is interesting. It's not because it was a goofy home page that may or may not have been spoofed or anything like that (apparently a lot of people are missing this point and flaming /. for posting the story). There's some sort of phenomenon going on here. I think we need a Katz article on this! "Something Something in the Post-Mahir Era"
-beme
Breaking them up could be good. First, I don't think they would be allowed such a close relationship as they have now. If the application division gets access to any 'hidden' api features then other app developers would be allowed that access as well. Secondly, a separate application division would be free to develop software for all OS's, regardless of how the OS division felt about it. I dunno, though. It does depend on a lot of legal stuff, and I'm no expert there.
When looking for solutions, we probably should look at the behavior we want to prevent: leveraging OS to force app sales and vice versa, bullying hardware mfgs and OEMs, etc. I'm not sure how opening the source would help either of those issues, and I'm not sure there is a nice one-size-fits all solution.
-beme
I thought the real problem was with Microsoft's agreements with OEMs, not customers.
I can defend Microsoft's right to produce products it chooses and sell them to people who are willing to buy them at the same time I protest Microsoft's anti-competitive abuse of monopoly power.
-beme
Big deal except for Derek and Jon. Now they can't work on the stuff anymore. It's a shame that these guys are getting bullied out of doing something they were probably enjoying.
Disclaimer:
I know neither of them and only know what I've read from the link in the story, so I'm no expert. Oh, and it looks like there probably was some violation of UK law (albeit one that I'd say is a bad one). Oh2, I also don't care much about the DVD thing, so maybe your point is more valid for those who do.
-beme
Well, this is a press release, not an actual software release. It could turn out that a year from now it's announced for some other OS and someone says "Other OS???!!! What about the BeOS port promised a long time ago?"
-beme
It's nice in that people who previously would never have been quoted in mainstream media are allowed a place to voice an opinion that might actually get quoted elsewhere, but I think it's also a danger. I don't want to see the 'quality' or style of posts changing because people think their post might get picked up by Wired etc. And I suppose there is something to be said for actually backing up a quote with the quotee's credentials, bio, etc.
-beme
How about you doing the recording, and several other people doing the playback? Real handy for line dancing. :)
Wonder if you could use it to teach people how to do things (like dancing, for example)?
Combine it with cloning and some impressive VR feedback, and you'd never have to leave the house. Just control your clone out into the dangerous world.. it gets hurt, just plug in another. Good for soldiers.
-beme
Thrown into prison for writing a paper, and a fictional one at that. Isn't that a big step towards fascism? If the kid were a Chinese dissident writing political commentary...and it happened in China, I guess I wouldn't be too shocked.
This isn't Russia...is this Russia? - C. Chase
-beme
Yeah, I'm already working on a list of authors who have written disturbing or subversive fiction so I can request that the FBI haul them in for 'evaluation.'
sarcasm bit has been flipped
-beme
Well, maybe not overtly, but check this out: :)
http://www.bullatoms ci.org/issues/1994/nd94/nd94bulletins.html
http://dilbert.daily.umn. edu/daily/1995/10/03/news/spray/
Those friendly guys in our government lied to us. This is not the only case, I'm sure (and I got tired of trying to separate the wacko (my opinion) sites from the real ones in tracking down coverup info). If our government is willing to do things like this to us and lie about it, why should we believe anything they say about invading our privacy to catch terrorists, etc. Hell, for all I know they only set up this Echelon crap to get around the rules about spying on the public and they are gathering as much dirt on us as they can, just to have in case they want to mess with us. If it exists.
-beme
I guess I'm assuming that eventually everything will be broadband, so if you want to make a phone call, you're going to need it. This article seems relevant, since we're most likely talking about new construction in rural areas to upgrade the existing equipment.
http://numa.niti.org/phone.htm
Me, I don't mind paying more for the good of society. Not about to try and force my beliefs on you, though.
-beme
"...a lifestyle choice and don't deserve it. And if you do get broadband, I hope you are paying the real cost -- not relying on subsidies from higher density areas..."
Deserves? Nice attitude. What about farmers, doctors, etc. that must live in low density areas? Screw them, huh?
-beme
I agree that people buying motherboards would be the doityerselfer type who would probably be interested in Linux. But aren't those same people the ones who would probably want to choose their own distro, or already have a distro they want to use? I wonder if it would/will do anything for user numbers at all.
-beme
Too specialized? What difference does it make? Plenty of hardware comes with bundled software that's pretty specialized. Video cards, scanners, cdr/rw drives, sound cards, etc. Many products come with software that only works in Windows, and sometimes only Windows 95/98. I myself probably have 10 or more software products that I have never used that came bundled with hardware. I'd wager they're only planning this to generate some hype and it has nothing to do with what they think of Linux.
Off-topic, but if you had a product that people might use to compete with a Microsoft product, would you make a lot of noise about it, or would you quietly work on it while saying it's intended to co-exist with Microsoft's product?
Me, I'd do my best to stay off Microsoft's radar screen until I had something that was really ready to compete, for fear of being FUD'ed out of a job.
Just me, though.
-beme
"They're all saying the word ..." ... I've said it..." ... We've said it ... We're all saying it."
"Stop saying it. AAAArghh!
"You've said it! Aaaaarghhh!
-beme
As a BeOS user, I'd say the problem is not the web-browser, it's all those damn non-pure-HTML thingies (good tech term there)! :)
:))
Ever have those days when you wish client-side scripting had never been created? Or wish for the good ol' days when web sites had maybe one or two images on them? Ahhhh....
(of course, I'm kidding about the 'problem isn't with the OS I use, it's with everyone else' bit...well, partially kidding
-beme
Well, the feds recently admitted to dumping toxic material over some cities in Minnesota to see what happened. Or something like that. If one of the myths turns out to be true, that opens the door for all the others.
-beme
You are talking about more than setup and configuration now, though. The 'miles ahead' comment was about setup and configuration. I could set up and 'configure' several BeOS systems before finishing the install for one NT system.
Yeah, that autorpm comment is pretty bogus if you consider the 'fact' (my opinion, really) that knowing what an NT service pack does to your system is probably trickier (sure, there's a list of fixes, but it seems there's always a 'numerous other minor fixes' item).
I'll agree that the horse is probably in little bits by now, but the problem with all these arguments (IMHO) is that they focus on the wrong thing: speed. I'm not a stenographer or a typist, so why the hell do I care how many WPM I can get? Granted, you don't want a layout that slows you down, but if the difference in speed isn't huge, why not choose the one that's more comfortable? For me, that's Dvorak. I happen to type faster on it, but that's just a side benefit. The big thing is that my wrists don't start hurting after a few hours at the keyboard. Of course, I do a fair bit of pointing and clicking, too, so that helps the pain factor a bit.
http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ and http://www.dvortyboards.com/ have Dvorak keyboards. There are probably more. I have one of the dvortyboards ones, and it's ok. Don't much care for the feel of the keys, though, so I'm saving for one of the kinesis ones. Biggest benefit to me with Dvorak has been typing speed (couldn't type on qwerty at all, so that's not saying much) and comfort. Oh, and there's a bit of geek-factor to it, too. ;)
He's got some skeletons (IMHO as far as internet privacy and censorship are concerned) in his legislative closet
On the other hand, he apparently does have a good privacy policy on his campaign site:
Presidential Candidates Privacy Policies
If only we could read their minds before deciding who to vote for...
What you're failing to realize is that once money is involved in a transaction it is no longer the same money it was prior to the transaction. The act of taxing changes the money, and what's left over is new, untaxed money. See, when you look at it this way, you're never taxed on the same money more than once.
:P
It is Friday, and not only am I logic-impaired, I seem to be humor-impaired as well. Where's the beer?
Isn't there always a better way? Doesn't mean we should just drop everything and wait for it to come along...or was that not what you were getting at?