True, but what starving person isn't willing to work for food?
If you were starving you'd probably do just about anything for food, even things you normally would never do because they're against your religion or morals or sexual preference..
Food is a very powerful motivator, for a starving person.
Just curious, what features is Linux lacking exactly?
I agree that it doesn't share the same features with Windows, but I'm using it for almost everything I need to do with a computer. Except play some video games that exist only for Windows. Its not like Linux doesn't have the features to have games written for it, it just doesn't have the market share to make it profitable for those companies.
But that's my perspective which is a bit skewed. I'm a Linux admin.
The most obvious one: If Linux has so many more resources, than why doesn't it have all the features of Windows already? Flame me all you want, but it doesn't.
The flip side of that is if Microsoft has all this money why doesn't Windows have all the features of Linux? No need to flame you.
Even though Linus has "the millions who use Linux and continue to tinker with it", in reality there are very few contributors (definitely not millions). Windows also has a larger installed base and thus a larger possible base of testers. How does that factor in?
Well, do your Windows "testers" even know how to use Linux?
Your other points are good, but here's mine:
-If capitalism is such a good model for society and promotes competition then why doesn't Windows have more competition besides Linux? Linux isn't even trying to make money yet. Its still ramping up.
-But you're right. BillG doesn't care about the people Microsoft lays off. He got his money, like most CEOs, so it doesn't matter what happens to his company or its 80,000+ employees. Those pawns can always find another job workin for the man.
Its so frustrating to watch people act like their intelligent, like they're some sort of God, while they lay waste to so many honest hard-working American's lives. They're just playing the game of monopoly, or is it the game of life. They're still human, just like everyone else. But where's their compassion? Why can't MCSEs and engineers and physicists find work? Because capitalists are greedy.
With Linux everyone gets to share, its recommended that we share. Sharing is a good thing. Can Microsoft say the same? Or do we need to sign their EULA first?
And its not just Microsoft, its every large corporation, even IBM. They answer to their shareholders, they answer to their metrics. And they make many people very unhappy when they lose their mortgage or have to go back to school to get certified for another career that will be ruined by venture capitalists, the stock market, and our media system just like every other career has been in our history.
Is this really progress? Does money really innovate? Even while BillG is swimming through it in his money bin?
No, it turns people into slave, doing jobs they would rather not do so the rest of us can live our blissfully ignorant lives ignoring the janitors until their jobs are automated out from underneath them and they starve in the streets. That's my perspective of capitalism.
The assumption that there are limited resources is a lie. Because we now understand that the Earth is not flat and it orbits a star, like so many other planets, comets, asteroids, etc.
I have always held the belief that there are no excuses. If people are starving we are not doing the work necessary to take care of them. Its not their fault they are starving.
So if we want to get off our lazy asses and do something about the lack of wealth in the world we can. By building automated robotic systems, factories, etc. and using any materials necessary to carry out whatever it takes to make us happy.
Happiness is the goal here, not money.
The needs of the society outweigh the wants of the individual. But the needs of the individual outweigh the wants of the society. Individuals need the freedom to explore reality and life to its fullest extent, as long as they don't take away this freedom from anyone else.
If a person needs food to survive, society must provide it. If society needs wealth to be happy, us little individuals will have to do without until we build the automation and collect the resources to make it happen. Doing without is okay as long as no one is dying. But there's absolutely no reason to do without information and education, because this is essentially free.
Use common sense.
Both capitalism and communism don't seem to care if the individual is dying, so I say society needs to be restructured and reformed until at least that bug is squashed..
Society is one big computer program, like the kernel, but there are so few programmers (and most of them are in such disagreement) that we can't even make it run without crashing.
Plus you get all those nice shiny new G5s, complete with top-of-the-line PC graphics, firewire, audio, etc.
You get a lot for the money with a G5. And they're a piece of cake to assemble. But they might take up more floor space. I think it would take about 100 of them to put out 1Tflop.
So the capitalist right has to slaughter an equal number of people before we can agree that their actions are wrong?
Its sad that it takes the slaughter of millions of lives to convince people of something most children could understand, because its common sense.
While I'm ranting, and speaking of "a war of agression against a country that poses no threat to us." did you notice no comments or mainstream media news stories covering the revelation of all the various links between saddam and al-qaida?
Did you notice no comments or mainstream media news stories covering the revelation of all the various links between Bush and Bin Laden and Saddam? I did.
Did you also notice that Henry Kissinger was put in charge of the 9/11 investigation? Who is Henry Kissinger?
The current definition of a 64 bit processor is one that can use 64 bit memory addressing.
So.. a processor that can understand 64-bit numbers.
Current CPUs do math, much like old CPUs. We're smart enough to get them to do 64-bit math even though they wouldn't understand it very well. Just like we got them to do decimal based math with binary numbers. I think its an Alan Turing thing.
I need at least 3+ Ghz 64-bit chips, for around $50 a piece before I'll be in a hurry to upgrade.
I want a 2x increase in performance over my 2Ghz 32-bit CPUs and some software to take advantage of those extra bits.
As long as AMD is going to continue disabling their desktop chips, preventing them from working in dual/quad processor SMP configurations I can wait.:)
Unless you don't want federal money and legal support for open source...
I don't!
I want the federal money and legal support to go wherever the people in power want it to go. I want GNU software to make anyone who wastes their money on commercial software look like asses. I want their mistakes to be made public so everyone knows how much time and money they wasted, how bad a leader they were, etc.
Even if we have that historical record its still not enough to convince the general populous that capitalism is not the best way to run a nation. But it will help.
If China and the rest of the world gains an economic advantage over our corporations we will look like the fools we are. Who knows, it might even take our ego down a peg or two. It would be good for us, promoting mental health, and teach us a lesson.:)
Found just what I was looking for. Here, let me quote that for ya:
"[Scott McNealy, CEO] reportedly told the high-profile event, complete with TV cameras and an audience of maybe a thousand, where they were launching something called Java Tarik ONE, "Don't use Linux; use Solaris." By some tortured logic and giant leaps that included cautioning people against open source, Scotty reportedly got from StarOffice as open source to equating all of Sun's software with open source to literally suggesting that Solaris was open source after a brief detour equating Apache with the open source Sun ONE. "We use open source," he reportedly concluded, "so that you get the benefits without the worries. We give you the insurance."
Basicly, they only care about the money. Just like Microsoft. And that's not the only time they dissed Linux or OSS. Just the first example I could find quickly.
And I'd never work for Sun again. They couldn't pay me enough to put up with their office politics again. Some people, like me, don't work for money. We work because we're genuinely fascinated by the technology. We love to work.
Not only are robots more efficient in space, they also could be more efficient than people to do all our labor. Plus we'd never have to feel guilty and give them our thanks for the work they do.
I see a bright new future where the rich people like me can live happily here on this beautiful planet after all the poor people starve because we just don't have any work or them to do and more than enough robots to take care of all our work, like building robots and exploring things we don't care about.
Why do we need people anyway?
I'd like to see us grow past this capitalism phase into a society that likes to help people because they're people, not because they can work or make a profit, etc. But I'm just dreamin.
I think we should keep BOTH ISS and the Hubble, and send more people into space. Just make damned sure we do everything within our capabilities to keep-them-safe!
I used to work for Sun, too. And we're both full of it. But that doesn't change the fact that they act like a child, at least in their PR releases, doing everything they can to take sales away from Linux because of some alleged claims from SCO.
Care to back up Sun with some facts showing how good the company is for consumers? How it cares more about its own products and customers than money and market share? Or are you just bitching?
Sun, being the UNIX leader they are, should have been up on the Linux bandwagon 110%. They are not. Who's fault is that? Their management, that's right.
But the problem with AMD and Sun is they would love to be the next Intel and Microsoft, complete with vendor lock-in, anti-competitive actions, and the ability to leverage a monopoly to force their users to conform to the way they want to offer their products/prices.
AMD64, for example, is not any cheaper than Intel's top of the line. And just look at how Sun has acted recently with respect to SCO and their own customers and future markets.
These companies just don't get it and I don't think my supporting them with help them understand anytime soon. The more power and money they get and more they want. They're greedy. And I don't think they really care about their technology.
I wish them luck, but I fear if they get lucky us consumers will be in the same mess we currently have with Intel and Microsoft.
But the only way to stop all of this stuff, the DMCA, ridiculous patents, et al is to get involved in the political process and vote each and every one of these special interest-pandering congressmen out of office.
Fuck that! The only way to stop this shit is to get rid of capitalism. They want to put you in prison because they think you owe them money.
Stop supporting money.
Why do you think the political process has become so corrupt? Why is it almost impossible to trust a voting system whether its electronic or not? Why are we so ignorant? Because of money. Plain and fucking simple.
Probably too simple for most of you to comprehend.
That's why I recommend a continuous all-year-long voting system. So we have plenty of opportunity to vote. And I should be able to do it over the internet online. If online transactions are good enough for banks I see no reason why they can't be applied to votes.
I agree, but I think we have more problems than just being lazy. We have a big problem with our culture. We seem to care more about money than eachother, which is why we let those astronauts die.
This is a big problem, far worse than laziness. And it must be addressed. It cannot be ignored. Yet we're still in denial.
Just look at how congress reacted to the report given to NASA. Look at the rhetoric we use when discussing these problems. We understand this, but have a hard time admitting it to ourselves. We have a hard time being honest and caring about eachother.
We still think we're better than everyone else. Which is why we have a problem with China going out into space and doing things we thought was impossible for them to do. We're not always right and we're not perfect, no matter how big our ego gets.
Besides, we're too busy with Iraq to worry about space.
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True, but what starving person isn't willing to work for food?
If you were starving you'd probably do just about anything for food, even things you normally would never do because they're against your religion or morals or sexual preference..
Food is a very powerful motivator, for a starving person.
Just curious, what features is Linux lacking exactly?
I agree that it doesn't share the same features with Windows, but I'm using it for almost everything I need to do with a computer. Except play some video games that exist only for Windows. Its not like Linux doesn't have the features to have games written for it, it just doesn't have the market share to make it profitable for those companies.
But that's my perspective which is a bit skewed. I'm a Linux admin.
I know, I know... I saw that as soon as I submitted.
So I'm not intelligent. I admit it. I'm a loser who can't spell. I'm retarded. Possibly even ignorant. And I've done way too many drugs to be smart.
But do I act like I'm intelligent? Am I just complaining a lot about nothing? Or do my anti-capitalist arguements have any substance whatsoever?
The most obvious one: If Linux has so many more resources, than why doesn't it have all the features of Windows already? Flame me all you want, but it doesn't.
The flip side of that is if Microsoft has all this money why doesn't Windows have all the features of Linux? No need to flame you.
Even though Linus has "the millions who use Linux and continue to tinker with it", in reality there are very few contributors (definitely not millions). Windows also has a larger installed base and thus a larger possible base of testers. How does that factor in?
Well, do your Windows "testers" even know how to use Linux?
Your other points are good, but here's mine:
-If capitalism is such a good model for society and promotes competition then why doesn't Windows have more competition besides Linux? Linux isn't even trying to make money yet. Its still ramping up.
-But you're right. BillG doesn't care about the people Microsoft lays off. He got his money, like most CEOs, so it doesn't matter what happens to his company or its 80,000+ employees. Those pawns can always find another job workin for the man.
Its so frustrating to watch people act like their intelligent, like they're some sort of God, while they lay waste to so many honest hard-working American's lives. They're just playing the game of monopoly, or is it the game of life. They're still human, just like everyone else. But where's their compassion? Why can't MCSEs and engineers and physicists find work? Because capitalists are greedy.
With Linux everyone gets to share, its recommended that we share. Sharing is a good thing. Can Microsoft say the same? Or do we need to sign their EULA first?
And its not just Microsoft, its every large corporation, even IBM. They answer to their shareholders, they answer to their metrics. And they make many people very unhappy when they lose their mortgage or have to go back to school to get certified for another career that will be ruined by venture capitalists, the stock market, and our media system just like every other career has been in our history.
Is this really progress? Does money really innovate? Even while BillG is swimming through it in his money bin?
No, it turns people into slave, doing jobs they would rather not do so the rest of us can live our blissfully ignorant lives ignoring the janitors until their jobs are automated out from underneath them and they starve in the streets. That's my perspective of capitalism.
Please show me how wrong I am.
because I know you all care what I think..
The assumption that there are limited resources is a lie. Because we now understand that the Earth is not flat and it orbits a star, like so many other planets, comets, asteroids, etc.
I have always held the belief that there are no excuses. If people are starving we are not doing the work necessary to take care of them. Its not their fault they are starving.
So if we want to get off our lazy asses and do something about the lack of wealth in the world we can. By building automated robotic systems, factories, etc. and using any materials necessary to carry out whatever it takes to make us happy.
Happiness is the goal here, not money.
The needs of the society outweigh the wants of the individual. But the needs of the individual outweigh the wants of the society. Individuals need the freedom to explore reality and life to its fullest extent, as long as they don't take away this freedom from anyone else.
If a person needs food to survive, society must provide it. If society needs wealth to be happy, us little individuals will have to do without until we build the automation and collect the resources to make it happen. Doing without is okay as long as no one is dying. But there's absolutely no reason to do without information and education, because this is essentially free.
Use common sense.
Both capitalism and communism don't seem to care if the individual is dying, so I say society needs to be restructured and reformed until at least that bug is squashed..
Society is one big computer program, like the kernel, but there are so few programmers (and most of them are in such disagreement) that we can't even make it run without crashing.
Plus you get all those nice shiny new G5s, complete with top-of-the-line PC graphics, firewire, audio, etc.
You get a lot for the money with a G5. And they're a piece of cake to assemble. But they might take up more floor space. I think it would take about 100 of them to put out 1Tflop.
So the capitalist right has to slaughter an equal number of people before we can agree that their actions are wrong?
Its sad that it takes the slaughter of millions of lives to convince people of something most children could understand, because its common sense.
While I'm ranting, and speaking of "a war of agression against a country that poses no threat to us." did you notice no comments or mainstream media news stories covering the revelation of all the various links between saddam and al-qaida?
Did you notice no comments or mainstream media news stories covering the revelation of all the various links between Bush and Bin Laden and Saddam? I did.
Did you also notice that Henry Kissinger was put in charge of the 9/11 investigation? Who is Henry Kissinger?
The current definition of a 64 bit processor is one that can use 64 bit memory addressing.
So.. a processor that can understand 64-bit numbers.
Current CPUs do math, much like old CPUs. We're smart enough to get them to do 64-bit math even though they wouldn't understand it very well. Just like we got them to do decimal based math with binary numbers. I think its an Alan Turing thing.
I need at least 3+ Ghz 64-bit chips, for around $50 a piece before I'll be in a hurry to upgrade.
:)
I want a 2x increase in performance over my 2Ghz 32-bit CPUs and some software to take advantage of those extra bits.
As long as AMD is going to continue disabling their desktop chips, preventing them from working in dual/quad processor SMP configurations I can wait.
I don't hate myself or anyone else. I hate capitalism. Should be obvious by now. Sheesh
Unless you don't want federal money and legal support for open source ...
:)
I don't!
I want the federal money and legal support to go wherever the people in power want it to go. I want GNU software to make anyone who wastes their money on commercial software look like asses. I want their mistakes to be made public so everyone knows how much time and money they wasted, how bad a leader they were, etc.
Even if we have that historical record its still not enough to convince the general populous that capitalism is not the best way to run a nation. But it will help.
If China and the rest of the world gains an economic advantage over our corporations we will look like the fools we are. Who knows, it might even take our ego down a peg or two. It would be good for us, promoting mental health, and teach us a lesson.
Fine:
:)
http://www.linuxworld.com/story/34437.htm
Found just what I was looking for. Here, let me quote that for ya:
"[Scott McNealy, CEO] reportedly told the high-profile event, complete with TV cameras and an audience of maybe a thousand, where they were launching something called Java Tarik ONE, "Don't use Linux; use Solaris." By some tortured logic and giant leaps that included cautioning people against open source, Scotty reportedly got from StarOffice as open source to equating all of Sun's software with open source to literally suggesting that Solaris was open source after a brief detour equating Apache with the open source Sun ONE. "We use open source," he reportedly concluded, "so that you get the benefits without the worries. We give you the insurance."
Basicly, they only care about the money. Just like Microsoft. And that's not the only time they dissed Linux or OSS. Just the first example I could find quickly.
And I'd never work for Sun again. They couldn't pay me enough to put up with their office politics again. Some people, like me, don't work for money. We work because we're genuinely fascinated by the technology. We love to work.
BTW, You're full of shit!
Have a nice day.
I agree.
Not only are robots more efficient in space, they also could be more efficient than people to do all our labor. Plus we'd never have to feel guilty and give them our thanks for the work they do.
I see a bright new future where the rich people like me can live happily here on this beautiful planet after all the poor people starve because we just don't have any work or them to do and more than enough robots to take care of all our work, like building robots and exploring things we don't care about.
Why do we need people anyway?
I'd like to see us grow past this capitalism phase into a society that likes to help people because they're people, not because they can work or make a profit, etc. But I'm just dreamin.
I think we should keep BOTH ISS and the Hubble, and send more people into space. Just make damned sure we do everything within our capabilities to keep-them-safe!
I used to work for Sun, too. And we're both full of it. But that doesn't change the fact that they act like a child, at least in their PR releases, doing everything they can to take sales away from Linux because of some alleged claims from SCO.
Care to back up Sun with some facts showing how good the company is for consumers? How it cares more about its own products and customers than money and market share? Or are you just bitching?
Sun, being the UNIX leader they are, should have been up on the Linux bandwagon 110%. They are not. Who's fault is that? Their management, that's right.
We always have a choice with Linux, fool.
Makes you wonder if those execs at SuSE know how to read.
See, looky here. Its all related to MONEY!!!
The almighty dollar!
No amount of voting or propoganda will change that.
Think about it!
No, really think about it!
How did you learn how to count? On coins? Coincidence? I think not!
Punny ain't it.
I've been an AMD fan for a while, too.
But the problem with AMD and Sun is they would love to be the next Intel and Microsoft, complete with vendor lock-in, anti-competitive actions, and the ability to leverage a monopoly to force their users to conform to the way they want to offer their products/prices.
AMD64, for example, is not any cheaper than Intel's top of the line. And just look at how Sun has acted recently with respect to SCO and their own customers and future markets.
These companies just don't get it and I don't think my supporting them with help them understand anytime soon. The more power and money they get and more they want. They're greedy. And I don't think they really care about their technology.
I wish them luck, but I fear if they get lucky us consumers will be in the same mess we currently have with Intel and Microsoft.
But at least we have a choice.
I thought Apple was already working on Safari/Konqueror..
Konq needs better CSS. Other than that I'm satisfied with the progress on both fronts.
A word founded on ignorance?
Must be in the US..
Is Ebonics a dialect of English? I'd like to think so.
Pop Quiz: What causes the lack of intelligence in the US, genetics or money?
Remember your environment and most of the experiences throughout your life are directly dependant on money.
But the only way to stop all of this stuff, the DMCA, ridiculous patents, et al is to get involved in the political process and vote each and every one of these special interest-pandering congressmen out of office.
Fuck that! The only way to stop this shit is to get rid of capitalism. They want to put you in prison because they think you owe them money.
Stop supporting money.
Why do you think the political process has become so corrupt? Why is it almost impossible to trust a voting system whether its electronic or not? Why are we so ignorant? Because of money. Plain and fucking simple.
Probably too simple for most of you to comprehend.
Folks need to remember that the easiest way to tell Microsoft is lying is the simple fact that they are talking.
Like most companies in business for the sole purpose of making money. Corporations, anyone?
This is what I have come to know as capitalism.
This should have been marked Score:1, Funny.
Do you know anything about Richard Stallman? Or do you just hate how popular GNU has become?
We've already lost. You actually think your vote is counted? Prove it!
That's why I recommend a continuous all-year-long voting system. So we have plenty of opportunity to vote. And I should be able to do it over the internet online. If online transactions are good enough for banks I see no reason why they can't be applied to votes.
I agree, but I think we have more problems than just being lazy. We have a big problem with our culture. We seem to care more about money than eachother, which is why we let those astronauts die.
This is a big problem, far worse than laziness. And it must be addressed. It cannot be ignored. Yet we're still in denial.
Just look at how congress reacted to the report given to NASA. Look at the rhetoric we use when discussing these problems. We understand this, but have a hard time admitting it to ourselves. We have a hard time being honest and caring about eachother.
We still think we're better than everyone else. Which is why we have a problem with China going out into space and doing things we thought was impossible for them to do. We're not always right and we're not perfect, no matter how big our ego gets.
Besides, we're too busy with Iraq to worry about space.