I think Google has the funds, and youtube has the user base, to (finally) get the "content industry" to sit down and actually work with technology instead of just trying to sue it out of existence. e.g.: google could get a meaningful compulsory license deal imposed.
Personally I'd prefer that they use the leverage to draw more attention to how much free/creative-commons work is out there, but to each his own.
"It's not the program you use to access the Internet. It's the program you use to access the web."
Aye. In my "start menu" (which is actually a smelly footprint) There's a whole submenu called "Internet", with 20 applications in it, including a couple different browsers.
I think that the majority of people click on anything that says "Internet" when they want to use the internet. Since MS long ago renamed Explorer "The Internet" (via the start menu) that's what they'll use for the foreseeable future.
"I also shudder at people who artificially set up barriers to understanding their own fields, in order to protect their own egos."
"Like who?"
One that comes to mind are research organizations that patent huge swaths of minor discoveries in their field, so that it behooves any other inventors/researchers *not to look at their patent portfolio (and therefore learn more about the field) because they could be sued for infringement if they ever go near those topics.
F/OSS fans, take note. We should be encouraging this sort of thing as much as we can.
We should also try our hardest to eliminate software piracy. Most of you already know why, but a few need a reminder:
Ninety-something% of people who are prevented from pirating Windows or Office or whatever are not> going to purchase same. Generally, they can't. They don't have $200. They are going to find a cheap or free alternative. Piracy hurts free software more than it hurts proprietary software.
From above, this comes to 15 minutes per week, or 0.6% of each worker's time. In corporate America these days, blaming all inefficiencies on the bottom-level employees seems to be the norm. But try and poke at your pocket calculator a bit before going on your rampage.
"You don't know what the world you're living in is going to be like but you can guess some things about it: there will be no music companies in it. Now if you leave them alone to buy more congressmen, in this very corrupt time of ours, they will survive for a little while longer but all of this talk is about the technicalities of the adjustment of the terms of their demise. When we want to start talking about something that matters, we would do better to begin from some basic social propositions. Everybody is connected to everybody else, all data that can be shared will be shared: get used to it."
I think a cool gotcha for people that tried this would be if a message gets a certain number of "notscam" votes, an administrator of the site looks at it personally. If it's a scam, the users who submitted those votes could have *all of their votes *reversed!
Some improvements to make it more "filmable":
-Y.T. replaced by talking small furry woodland creature
-The middle movie of the trilogy devotes most of its running time to a really-fascinating love story between Hiro and Juanita
-References to Enki, religion, glossolalia, etc. removed
-Rat Things replaced by small furry woodland creatures
Toward the end of TFA they start to establish Venice's differnetiator:
"With easy access to capital and loads of experience starting successful new companies, Friis and Zennstrom are bound to make their new venture a contender."
They may be able to get a better overall interface built simply because they can invest a great amount of money in it. I personally think the first big project that makes all the content downloadable is going to blow them out of the water. Unless it's them.
If you liked that I strongly advise you to listen to the audio of the entire panel. Heard it for the first time yesterday and it was like an alarm clock going off. The proceedings follow a pattern like this
-RIAA people quibble with podcast distributors for awhile, over this or that aspect of the DMCA, or a compulsory license provision, or whatever -Moglen says something earthshattering like the above
"The Venice Project is designed to work within the intellectual property rights system, not against it"... "users don't download video files. The videos are streamed to their computers instead. The encoded bits of data that make up shows stream past the viewer's eyes and disappear. They don't become permanent files on the viewer's computer."
As per my Moglen quote above, this approach is doomed. Not this year, probably not next year, but there you go.
"You don't know what the world you're living in is going to be like but you can guess some things about it: there will be no music companies in it."
*also, with any luck, no -- or fewer -- TV companies
"Now if you leave them alone to buy more congressmen, in this very corrupt time of ours, they will survive for a little while longer but all of this talk is about the technicalities of the adjustment of the terms of their demise. When we want to start talking about something that matters, we would do better to begin from some basic social propositions. Everybody is connected to everybody else, all data that can be shared will be shared: get used to it."
"a vista PC will likely only be a couple hundred more than a bottom end XP box from dell"
You sound pretty knowledgeable, but I'd like to see numbers on this. IIRC, 512MB PCs (minimum for Vista) aren't generally available for less than $900 or so, while the cheaper XP generics can still be had around $450.
And isn't "a couple hundred" a kinda big deal when it nearly doubles the purchase price?
' "It's like people think that Linux is free, so why can't Redhat distribute it for almost nothing?" Hey, the argument works for other IP. Why should RH be an exception? '
Actually, Red Hat can distribute Linux for almost nothing. But they choose not to. Thousands of people distribute linux for almost nothing, for example on eBay. That's where I got my first Linux (Mandrake 7.3) for $1.50 if I remember correctly. shipit.com distributes it for exactly nothing.
Actually Sony's Gene Rights Management technology rootkits your own genes, so that if you attempt to copy Steve Allen's DNA without permission they can basically turn you into someone else.
Slashdot Mirror
I'm not a lawyer, but I suspeect that most contracts signed with new artists are borderline fraudulent: http://negativland.com/albini.html
I think Google has the funds, and youtube has the user base, to (finally) get the "content industry" to sit down and actually work with technology instead of just trying to sue it out of existence. e.g.: google could get a meaningful compulsory license deal imposed.
Personally I'd prefer that they use the leverage to draw more attention to how much free/creative-commons work is out there, but to each his own.
Exploding White Mice ftw
"It's not the program you use to access the Internet. It's the program you use to access the web."
Aye. In my "start menu" (which is actually a smelly footprint) There's a whole submenu called "Internet", with 20 applications in it, including a couple different browsers.
I think that the majority of people click on anything that says "Internet" when they want to use the internet. Since MS long ago renamed Explorer "The Internet" (via the start menu) that's what they'll use for the foreseeable future.
I've been looking forward to that whole tabbed-browsing thing they invented
"I also shudder at people who artificially set up barriers to understanding their own fields, in order to protect their own egos."
"Like who?"
One that comes to mind are research organizations that patent huge swaths of minor discoveries in their field, so that it behooves any other inventors/researchers *not to look at their patent portfolio (and therefore learn more about the field) because they could be sued for infringement if they ever go near those topics.
"analsysts"
heh. for a second there i thought you said "anal cysts"
Question for the group: which is more annoying: analysts or anal cysts?
AOL VS The Internet:
http://www.airsho.com/PCwebster/aol_users.htm
I really, really, strongly dislike these kinds of laws. I would never say I h__e them, of course...
"One big reason that I left MS Office ..."
F/OSS fans, take note. We should be encouraging this sort of thing as much as we can.
We should also try our hardest to eliminate software piracy. Most of you already know why, but a few need a reminder:
Ninety-something% of people who are prevented from pirating Windows or Office or whatever are not> going to purchase same. Generally, they can't. They don't have $200. They are going to find a cheap or free alternative. Piracy hurts free software more than it hurts proprietary software.
Too interesting. I'm glad I don't have to think about any of that stuff. I only use un-piratable software, http://www.gadgetopia.com/post/1869
From above, this comes to 15 minutes per week, or 0.6% of each worker's time. In corporate America these days, blaming all inefficiencies on the bottom-level employees seems to be the norm. But try and poke at your pocket calculator a bit before going on your rampage.
Or, rather, at the risk of repeating Moglen:
a nd-you.html [compsoc.com]
"You don't know what the world you're living in is going to be like but you can guess some things about it: there will be no music companies in it. Now if you leave them alone to buy more congressmen, in this very corrupt time of ours, they will survive for a little while longer but all of this talk is about the technicalities of the adjustment of the terms of their demise. When we want to start talking about something that matters, we would do better to begin from some basic social propositions. Everybody is connected to everybody else, all data that can be shared will be shared: get used to it."
http://ciaran.compsoc.com/texts/eben-moglen-dmca-
I'm almost ready to get the big bucket of popcorn and just watch.
Dang, you sure know a lot of stuff. What was your point again? People shouldn't be allowed to vote?
I think a cool gotcha for people that tried this would be if a message gets a certain number of "notscam" votes, an administrator of the site looks at it personally. If it's a scam, the users who submitted those votes could have *all of their votes *reversed!
Some improvements to make it more "filmable": -Y.T. replaced by talking small furry woodland creature -The middle movie of the trilogy devotes most of its running time to a really-fascinating love story between Hiro and Juanita -References to Enki, religion, glossolalia, etc. removed -Rat Things replaced by small furry woodland creatures
Toward the end of TFA they start to establish Venice's differnetiator:
"With easy access to capital and loads of experience starting successful new companies, Friis and Zennstrom are bound to make their new venture a contender."
They may be able to get a better overall interface built simply because they can invest a great amount of money in it. I personally think the first big project that makes all the content downloadable is going to blow them out of the water. Unless it's them.
"Thanks for the quote."
If you liked that I strongly advise you to listen to the audio of the entire panel. Heard it for the first time yesterday and it was like an alarm clock going off. The proceedings follow a pattern like this
-RIAA people quibble with podcast distributors for awhile, over this or that aspect of the DMCA, or a compulsory license provision, or whatever
-Moglen says something earthshattering like the above
Rinse, repeat.
Some shortsighted bits from TFA:
...
"The Venice Project is designed to work within the intellectual property rights system, not against it"
"users don't download video files. The videos are streamed to their computers instead. The encoded bits of data that make up shows stream past the viewer's eyes and disappear. They don't become permanent files on the viewer's computer."
As per my Moglen quote above, this approach is doomed. Not this year, probably not next year, but there you go.
I love this so much:
a nd-you.html
"You don't know what the world you're living in is going to be like but you can guess some things about it: there will be no music companies in it."
*also, with any luck, no -- or fewer -- TV companies
"Now if you leave them alone to buy more congressmen, in this very corrupt time of ours, they will survive for a little while longer but all of this talk is about the technicalities of the adjustment of the terms of their demise. When we want to start talking about something that matters, we would do better to begin from some basic social propositions. Everybody is connected to everybody else, all data that can be shared will be shared: get used to it."
http://ciaran.compsoc.com/texts/eben-moglen-dmca-
"a vista PC will likely only be a couple hundred more than a bottom end XP box from dell" You sound pretty knowledgeable, but I'd like to see numbers on this. IIRC, 512MB PCs (minimum for Vista) aren't generally available for less than $900 or so, while the cheaper XP generics can still be had around $450. And isn't "a couple hundred" a kinda big deal when it nearly doubles the purchase price?
' "It's like people think that Linux is free, so why can't Redhat distribute it for almost nothing?"
Hey, the argument works for other IP. Why should RH be an exception? '
Actually, Red Hat can distribute Linux for almost nothing. But they choose not to. Thousands of people distribute linux for almost nothing, for example on eBay. That's where I got my first Linux (Mandrake 7.3) for $1.50 if I remember correctly. shipit.com distributes it for exactly nothing.
Sorry to feed the troll, everyone.
Actually Sony's Gene Rights Management technology rootkits your own genes, so that if you attempt to copy Steve Allen's DNA without permission they can basically turn you into someone else.
Pay him directly for his contribution. No intellectual property regime needed
olgaceline@gmail.com