fyi, it's "dependency hell":) since nobody else seemed to want to respond. And packages have actually helped this immensely, it was mainly from the days when everything was compile from source and lucky you got to go out and find all the necessary packages by hand.
right, so instead of giving people a base to start from and profit from, let's just screw em all and make everyone start from scratch (which is what the GPL would be doing in this case)! Things like the BSD kernel make it possible to have startups who can compete with the likes of cisco/juniper/nokia/all these entrenched players. Thus making people "more free" to do something they want, like compete.
By your example, people should also all have camera's in every room in their house. I wish to know what everyone else is doing at all times, because that is really freedom. Just like I should get to see the source of every software project on the planet, because that is really freedom.
Or, perhaps if arrogant dumb fucks didn't try to assume the roll of "administrator" on their brand new G5, and actually took the time to either: A. learn the OS. or B. hire someone who knows what the fuck their doing to set it up for them, I wouldn't have to waste MY time teaching them basic skills they should know before wasting MY time on the phone. My company doesn't pay me to be apple support, I'm not going to waste valuable time on someone who doesn't have the basic skills required to administrate a system. There's no shortage of clued users with valid questions to take their place. If you don't know how to set up your IP, you shouldn't be touching a fibre channel device, end of story. I know how much that butt-hurts the mac zealots out there who think everyone else should do it for them, but welcome to the real world.
The following statements will be made with the assumption you aren't a mac zealot, if you are, don't bother continuing because you'll just get upset.
Expresscard isn't that popular yet, I hate to burst your bubble. I look on dell.com and see a total of 1 model with one. Same goes for just about every other laptop maker I visited. This is nowhere near enough market share for T-mobile to bother. Apple accounts for what? 2% of the market? The sales on their mobile cards are fairly low to begin with, to release another product that barely anyone on the market can use would be suicide. That'd be like releasing a mouse two years ago with support for firewire only, no USB... just doesn't make any sense.
*sigh* yet again, you can't set a management port on a device to dhcp. How the hell do you think end users would ever figure out what the IP is set to? And yes, these are "sys admins" who can't figure out how to set their IP. Welcome to the world of mac. It's not that it doesn't occur with some windows users as well, it's just farrrrrrrrr less frequent. And no, I'm not *trolling*.
when you're trying to configure a fibre channel switch, it kind of helps to have a default IP for the management port. If they can't figure out how to set their IP, do you think they'd have a clue how to find a rogue device with a random DHCP address?
So it's my fault that they don't know how to use their own OS? Learning the GUI of OSX is not a requirement of my support position and never will be. That's apple's job. I shouldn't have to walk someone through setting their IP, it's outside the scope of our support. If you can't set your own IP you've got bigger problems, and you aren't "more advanced" than a PC user, end of discussion.
They leave out the fact that with that 100k$ price tag of the X1, you don't get a roof, or last I checked a street legal car. You don't get a stereo, or nice leather seats. You really don't get anything... you get a motorcycle with 4 wheels more or less. The other cars it's "competing" against are real cars, not glorified crotch rockets. Let's try apples to apples my good man.
The X1 is good as a track car and that's about it. That's definitely not the market bugatti is aiming for.
Or, let's try something reasonable. "The other day I was out delivering a Kenmore side-by-side and they didn't know they had to plug the thing in to keep their food cold. They couldn't figure out why everything kept spoiling!"
I'm sorry, but knowing how to set an IP is one of the most basic actions one can take on a PC. And these are enterprise customers, not even joe-blow users. There's an expected level of knowledge and the Mac users repeatedly show they have none. If you're an "admin" and you don't know how to set an IP on the machine, there's something seriously wrong with the entire culture you're a part of.
I'm sorry, I'm sure I'll get 'modded down' like it appears the others have, but that is the single worst statement I have ever heard. We sell enterprise level hardware at my work and recently started supporting Mac's. I've yet to have a user call in who even knew how to set an IP address. Terminal, what's that? At least the windows users know what I'm asking for when I tell them to open up a command prompt...
What you fail to address though, is that of those 10-20% they probably log just as many browsing hours in a day as the other 80-90% of IE users who log in once a week to check their email...
Thus, google DOES have just as big of an impact. If they didn't, they wouldn't bother paying.
98 doesn't even have the ability to spoof packets so it's not a big shocker the app doesn't work. Your firewall blocked it's attempt to send information back to the source... Sounds like a pebcak to me.
It's a problem for you because AT&T is the endpoint you're trying to get to. If AT&T dies, it doesn't matter how great the connection is on your end, there's nothing for you to connect to.
You have a point about 1 processor being basically equally as easy as two to manage. It is the usefulness of this example as perhaps the start of a larger trend of simplifying system management that you fail to give value to. It is this potential trend that got me happy.
I don't think that's a trend at all. I think this is AMD trying to find a gimmick to oust intel, assuming it's true at all. If you want easy to manage, buy M$. But realize with that ease of management you loose the flexibility of *nix
Think what you will, I know damn well where I work, and how much of my time is wasted learning yet another proprietary management tool that only brings very marginal benefits at the end of the day. That's why all of Google's datacenters run ONLY 1U cheapo rackmount servers with virtually no hardware redundancy. They agree that big iron just isn't worth the huge increase in cost. It is me who doubts you understand how marginal the gains from "big iron" usually are. They do failover in software (designed in house, unfortunately for the rest of us). I agree that many processors are good, but it is even better when they appear as one.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but google is moving away from this. We have several accounts with them and I can tell you they're doing just the opposite. They've found all the 1U's to be a waste of energy and resources and have been looking to purchase "big iron" to replace it.
The easiest boxes to admin have one processor, one power supply, one nic, etc. When there are problems, there are less places to check. They do not need exotic drivers, or exotic options to turn on "the full powers". Think "make -j 2" when you compile a kernel, when all I wish I **needed** to know was "make". The more I have to learn all the little gotchas and caveats to using all this fancy stuff, the less productive I am, generally speaking.
No, the easiest boxes to administer are the ones that were engineered with administration in mind. I'd MUCH rather have a "big iron" sun box that says "HEY FUCKER, CPU6 IS FUBAR", than a 1u/1cpu whitebox that just starts having compile issues, and random reboots with no apparent cause. What you want is good engineering, you're just confused. I can tell you from personal experience, it can be far easier to track down a problem on a 28way Sun box than a no-name built-from-newegg whitebox.
That's quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You're advocating him giving incorrect information int he hopes someone will correct it. What about every other person who DOESN'T know what's wrong that follows his instructions? I'm hoping you just didn't think that one through.
that makes no sense at all. So you want all boxes to act as uniprocessor... and then what happens when you want to run multiple tasks at once? You do realize sometimes you just want things to run parallel don't you?
I guess by your response I'm highly doubting you admin systems in a large datacenter because it makes absolutely no sense. I don't know any admin that would only want to have one processor, logical or not, in a large server. There's WAYYYY too many things that need to go on at the same time. There's a reason why Sun sells 128-way systems, and it's not because they can get the job done with one really fast cpu.
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That's funny, because IOS is based off a microkernel. They have one or two installs around the world... or so I heard.
fyi, it's "dependency hell" :) since nobody else seemed to want to respond. And packages have actually helped this immensely, it was mainly from the days when everything was compile from source and lucky you got to go out and find all the necessary packages by hand.
right, so instead of giving people a base to start from and profit from, let's just screw em all and make everyone start from scratch (which is what the GPL would be doing in this case)! Things like the BSD kernel make it possible to have startups who can compete with the likes of cisco/juniper/nokia/all these entrenched players. Thus making people "more free" to do something they want, like compete.
By your example, people should also all have camera's in every room in their house. I wish to know what everyone else is doing at all times, because that is really freedom. Just like I should get to see the source of every software project on the planet, because that is really freedom.
Because we aren't truly trying to spread democracy. We're using democracy as a thin veil attempting to mask the coloniztion that has been occuring.
Or, perhaps if arrogant dumb fucks didn't try to assume the roll of "administrator" on their brand new G5, and actually took the time to either: A. learn the OS. or B. hire someone who knows what the fuck their doing to set it up for them, I wouldn't have to waste MY time teaching them basic skills they should know before wasting MY time on the phone. My company doesn't pay me to be apple support, I'm not going to waste valuable time on someone who doesn't have the basic skills required to administrate a system. There's no shortage of clued users with valid questions to take their place. If you don't know how to set up your IP, you shouldn't be touching a fibre channel device, end of story. I know how much that butt-hurts the mac zealots out there who think everyone else should do it for them, but welcome to the real world.
slashdot has a good mix of people. Zealots and sane alike, definitely nothing like the obsd culture...
The following statements will be made with the assumption you aren't a mac zealot, if you are, don't bother continuing because you'll just get upset.
Expresscard isn't that popular yet, I hate to burst your bubble. I look on dell.com and see a total of 1 model with one. Same goes for just about every other laptop maker I visited. This is nowhere near enough market share for T-mobile to bother. Apple accounts for what? 2% of the market? The sales on their mobile cards are fairly low to begin with, to release another product that barely anyone on the market can use would be suicide. That'd be like releasing a mouse two years ago with support for firewire only, no USB... just doesn't make any sense.
The developers/community/forums aren't full of elitest assholes?
*sigh* yet again, you can't set a management port on a device to dhcp. How the hell do you think end users would ever figure out what the IP is set to? And yes, these are "sys admins" who can't figure out how to set their IP. Welcome to the world of mac. It's not that it doesn't occur with some windows users as well, it's just farrrrrrrrr less frequent. And no, I'm not *trolling*.
when you're trying to configure a fibre channel switch, it kind of helps to have a default IP for the management port. If they can't figure out how to set their IP, do you think they'd have a clue how to find a rogue device with a random DHCP address?
So it's my fault that they don't know how to use their own OS? Learning the GUI of OSX is not a requirement of my support position and never will be. That's apple's job. I shouldn't have to walk someone through setting their IP, it's outside the scope of our support. If you can't set your own IP you've got bigger problems, and you aren't "more advanced" than a PC user, end of discussion.
They leave out the fact that with that 100k$ price tag of the X1, you don't get a roof, or last I checked a street legal car. You don't get a stereo, or nice leather seats. You really don't get anything... you get a motorcycle with 4 wheels more or less. The other cars it's "competing" against are real cars, not glorified crotch rockets. Let's try apples to apples my good man.
The X1 is good as a track car and that's about it. That's definitely not the market bugatti is aiming for.
Or, let's try something reasonable. "The other day I was out delivering a Kenmore side-by-side and they didn't know they had to plug the thing in to keep their food cold. They couldn't figure out why everything kept spoiling!"
I'm sorry, but knowing how to set an IP is one of the most basic actions one can take on a PC. And these are enterprise customers, not even joe-blow users. There's an expected level of knowledge and the Mac users repeatedly show they have none. If you're an "admin" and you don't know how to set an IP on the machine, there's something seriously wrong with the entire culture you're a part of.
I'm sorry, I'm sure I'll get 'modded down' like it appears the others have, but that is the single worst statement I have ever heard. We sell enterprise level hardware at my work and recently started supporting Mac's. I've yet to have a user call in who even knew how to set an IP address. Terminal, what's that? At least the windows users know what I'm asking for when I tell them to open up a command prompt...
What you fail to address though, is that of those 10-20% they probably log just as many browsing hours in a day as the other 80-90% of IE users who log in once a week to check their email...
Thus, google DOES have just as big of an impact. If they didn't, they wouldn't bother paying.
How much does it cost to develop IE?
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98 doesn't even have the ability to spoof packets so it's not a big shocker the app doesn't work. Your firewall blocked it's attempt to send information back to the source... Sounds like a pebcak to me.
WAS up, might be a good idea NOT to let the attackers know about these sorts of things.
key words: moral high ground
Now review the company credo...
Apparently it was supposed to be "Don't be evil*" *unless it helps the bottom line.
So you wanted to skip over the part of how many people that code for firefox that are on the google payroll then right?
This whole "it's only bad if Microsoft does it" thing going on with slashdot is getting old.
Google and Apple are guilty of just as much "monopolizing" as Microsoft is.
It's a problem for you because AT&T is the endpoint you're trying to get to. If AT&T dies, it doesn't matter how great the connection is on your end, there's nothing for you to connect to.
...the one with the redX, which sticks out like a sore thumb. I guess if you can't pick that out you've got bigger issues, or you're color blind.
You have a point about 1 processor being basically equally as easy as two to manage. It is the usefulness of this example as perhaps the start of a larger trend of simplifying system management that you fail to give value to. It is this potential trend that got me happy.
I don't think that's a trend at all. I think this is AMD trying to find a gimmick to oust intel, assuming it's true at all. If you want easy to manage, buy M$. But realize with that ease of management you loose the flexibility of *nix
Think what you will, I know damn well where I work, and how much of my time is wasted learning yet another proprietary management tool that only brings very marginal benefits at the end of the day. That's why all of Google's datacenters run ONLY 1U cheapo rackmount servers with virtually no hardware redundancy. They agree that big iron just isn't worth the huge increase in cost. It is me who doubts you understand how marginal the gains from "big iron" usually are. They do failover in software (designed in house, unfortunately for the rest of us). I agree that many processors are good, but it is even better when they appear as one.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but google is moving away from this. We have several accounts with them and I can tell you they're doing just the opposite. They've found all the 1U's to be a waste of energy and resources and have been looking to purchase "big iron" to replace it.
The easiest boxes to admin have one processor, one power supply, one nic, etc. When there are problems, there are less places to check. They do not need exotic drivers, or exotic options to turn on "the full powers". Think "make -j 2" when you compile a kernel, when all I wish I **needed** to know was "make". The more I have to learn all the little gotchas and caveats to using all this fancy stuff, the less productive I am, generally speaking.
No, the easiest boxes to administer are the ones that were engineered with administration in mind. I'd MUCH rather have a "big iron" sun box that says "HEY FUCKER, CPU6 IS FUBAR", than a 1u/1cpu whitebox that just starts having compile issues, and random reboots with no apparent cause. What you want is good engineering, you're just confused. I can tell you from personal experience, it can be far easier to track down a problem on a 28way Sun box than a no-name built-from-newegg whitebox.
That's quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You're advocating him giving incorrect information int he hopes someone will correct it. What about every other person who DOESN'T know what's wrong that follows his instructions? I'm hoping you just didn't think that one through.
that makes no sense at all. So you want all boxes to act as uniprocessor... and then what happens when you want to run multiple tasks at once? You do realize sometimes you just want things to run parallel don't you?
I guess by your response I'm highly doubting you admin systems in a large datacenter because it makes absolutely no sense. I don't know any admin that would only want to have one processor, logical or not, in a large server. There's WAYYYY too many things that need to go on at the same time. There's a reason why Sun sells 128-way systems, and it's not because they can get the job done with one really fast cpu.