Even though the word "Turing" is in the CAPTCHA acronym, there are peculiar differences between this problem and the classical "Turing Test:"
In its original form, the Turing Test describes the problem of having a human differentiate a human from a computer. You could think of it as a computer trying to "prove" to a human that it is human, and not a computer.
Note how this is different from CAPTCHA situation:
On the "defensive" end, CAPTCHAS involve the problem of having a computer differentiate a human from a computer. (ignoring the porn site/3rd world outsourcing "attacks," for the moment.)
Even on the "attacker" end, CAPTCHAS involve the problem of having a computer "fool" another computer that it is human.
The implications of each problem are different.
The Turing test is mental exercise that helps us imagine the potential power of future computers, and how to approach the question of whether machines can "think." (i.e.: don't ask that question, use a metric that involves actual observation.)
Will Safari 3.0 support a JavaScript API to its XSLT Processor?
*This* wouldbe a major boost to speeding-up AJAX apps, as far as processing XML is concerned.
(XSL allows, for example: taking the XML returned from a web service, and transmuting it into HTML via XSL *rapidly*... It allows *rapid* sorting of tables client-side, in the browser, etc. )
It is true that you could build a library of "XSL" code that runs purely on Safari's JavaScript -- but this will never be as fast as compiled code. (Heck, you could write an XML parser in JavaScript, too -- or build an XMLHttpRequest object using JavaScript & iframes -- but I doubt many users would put up with the sluggish performance. The JavaScript automatic garbage collection, alone, can eat up CPU cycles/resources at unexpected times.)
LOL -- "white guilt" -- I certainly don't hear a lot of guilt, here. (although I do read many posts whose authors seem to think that no American Indians -- let alone people of color -- read Slashdot!)
The oppression of Native Peoples is not something that began and ended 500 years ago -- it is something that continues to this day. And not some mundane stuff, either:
* The absolute number of American Indian people in the United States continued to decline well into the 20th century -- thirty years after the "Indian Wars" ostensibly ended in 1890. (sometimes becuase of because of death-camp-like conditions)
* Vermont was sterilizing Native girls and women well into the 20th century.
* the genocide in Guatemtla, that killed 100-200,000 Indigineous Mayans between the mid-1950's and the mid-1990's -- with more people toward the latter date.
* the killing of Native South Americans, today -- and expropriation of their land -- ultimately because of international petrochemical companies.
* there are just too many things to list. But... Yes, oppression exists, and your denial of it will not change its reality, or sap the will of those who acknowledge or experience it.
NOTE: treaties with Native tribes in this country are not about "giving away" something to "those" people. They are what Native People *maintained* -- after fighting back with *force* against violence and force directed at them.
In my view, those treaties represent the *minimum bar* of how government is obligated to treat Native communities -- considering those treaties were often negotiated under duress: the threat of violence and *complete annhiliation.*
My experience is that corporate management are perfectly willing to have people of color in high-paid expert/technical roles. However, when it comes to having well-qualified people of color managing white people... not so much. (...and moreover, the ostensible managees balk at this.) There surely is a "glass ceiling," even in 2007.
you have to look at the pure documented evidence and make a judgment.
Your comment is especially ironic, then, considering that the Original Post is a such a misrepresention of fact, or a hoax.
...regardless of the fact that the market has not created *consumer* "diesel hybrids" for sale in North America, yet. (There are diesel-electric trains and busses, however.)
So, imagine you Jetta as a *diesel*-electric hybrid.
How could this possibly be modded insightful?
This is actually an uninformed and naive view (however prevalent on Slashdot) of how and why XML are used.
I've seen this sentiment regarding "HTML" vs "XML" on Slashdot so often; let me set the record straight:
Many sites use XML on the back-end, either as an interchange format with a DB, or to store and to generate HTML. I would dare say that *most* web-based applications of XML generate HTML, rather than XML, as the final output format. Outputting HTML is simply a matter of supporting the lowest common denominator, and is no indication that "XML" lacks utility. With minimal effort, these XML data sources could be made directly accessible by search engines. (Or, XMHTML can be outputted instead of, or in addition to, HTML)
I would opine that if you are a developer, and you are storing vast amounts of marked-up data as "HTML" -- rather than X/HTML, then you are doing something wrong. (I'll back this up with one brief point: It is *trivial* to transform XML into HTML using a technology like XSL -- but going from HTML to XML most certainly is not.) Having your data in a machine-readable, micro-addressable format like X/HTML is so much more advantageous than HTML tag soup, I shouldn't have to enumerate all the reasons here. (This remedial info can be sought via a quick google search.)
Just because YOU only see "HTML" in the browser (and don't know how XML is used?), it does not mean that XML is not useful -- or even ideal -- for representing marked-up text and documents in an information system.
The computer simulation is a representation of the *essential features* of a brain: i.e., a neural network that process data in a certain way. These essential features do not rely on the fact that they are made up of "cells that contains proteins, DNA, water...."
The properties of an adequate simulation may supervene, on the properties of the physical substrate in which the simulation is instantiated. This does not mean that an adequate simulation -- or even consciousness, cannot occur without the exact same type of underlying properties.
If necessary, cosmic rays could be made part of that simulation, as well. (i.e.: a detector arrayed in the desert of Arizona or somesuch -- no one says this "randomness" has to occur somewhere spatially near where the simulation takes place, as long as these "random seeds" are properly integrated into the simulation.)
Do you have any proof?...besides some pundit you saw on Fox News 8 years ago? besides a William Saffire oclumn? besides the political-hack attorneys who threw around these accusations?
I thought not.
This is the real problem they (and now you?) were having: "How DARE the Democrats seek donations from anyone other then true, red-blooded white, Christian Americans!"
You've fallen for another Republican lie, my friend. (BTW, did you ever consider how much money Chinese companies have funned to the GOP via WALMART?)
Who mods this drivel up? Ohhh Noes!!! -- "The PC hordes and "minorities" are "taking all our rights away!" -- Give me a break.
but when a white person uses them it will be SO bad an offense it will cause them to be fired
But MSNBC is NOT plastering the airwaves with those rappers, either -- and especially not in a "talk show" format during during prime time!
So, you want to FORCE Proctor & Gamble to buy advertising from MSNBC?...Just so that MSNBC can keep paying Don Imus?...So, what if those bogeyman "rappers" were the ones who said those dirty words -- and *they* got "fired" by their bosses?
you like any other group of the society are NOT allowed to discriminate.
Where was there any "discrimination?" Do you even know what that word means?
morons. this is the point where your or any minorities' sensitivities and rights end.
...what the hell are you saying?...a threat of mass civil rights disenfranchisement? (against "minorities" only?)...just because some big corporation made a *market decision* and fired one of your heroes? are you kidding?
I'm all about making frameworks as "declarative" as possible. ***
I wonder if one side benefit is that the data (and the data architecture) can be moved to other systems where the code that interprets those declarations is optimized for multiple processors.
*** I try make high-level abstractions about the organization of data and *functionality* in a web application, for example -- and I try to keep the code implementation completely separate from that.
It doesn't matter if that is standard practice. MLK is just asking "imagine what they think we test our new weapons on them" -- and and our new weapons today are far more gruesome now than they were back then during Vietnam.
We are ostensibly in a war that involves, partly (if not substantially), "winning hearts and minds" -- remember?
FYI: Perhaps you should have kept your mouth shut today.
"What do they think as we test our new weapons on them, just as the Germans tested out new medicine and new tortures in the concentration camps of Europe?"
Your insulting post -- and dismissiveness of Iraqi grievances -- is exactly why "they hate us." (...For good reason, if your attitude is reflective of Americans in general.)
> Better to cancel a destructive program than a constructive program to alleviate poverty
Yah, because despite 500+ years of aggression, expansionism, and genocide -- we all know that only European countries (and their colonial successors) have any right to "defend" themselves.
No, it's more like identifying that Walmart, Sears, Target and others use a particular brand + model of lock -- one that is basically defective because anyone can open them in some trivial manner.
The lack of a built-in keyboard isn't a problem, IMHO. I think that is something best left to 3rd party vendors to perfect: mini Bluetooth-enabled input devices.
but: $599 + a two year contract, and Cingular is currently the only service provider?
It's otherwise pretty cool... but maybe I should wait until the 2nd generation, and when there's other carriers + no contract necessary?
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The judge did not say all those assertions were "unfounded."
His ruling referred to items that were in dispute as "errors" (notice the quotes).
...He was talking about "errors" that were alleged by the plaintiff, and thus, in dispute in his courtroom.
For example, look at this sentence, which I just made-up:
In the interest of a fair and informed debate in the classroom, these "errors" may require a contradictory argument in the classroom.
An 'error' is not the same thing as an error
So... protecting Civil Liberties and defending the Bill of Rights is a *Democrat* agenda? OMG!
"The Constitution has a well-known, Democratic bias."
- In its original form, the Turing Test describes the problem of having a human differentiate a human from a computer. You could think of it as a computer trying to "prove" to a human that it is human, and not a computer.
Note how this is different from CAPTCHA situation:- On the "defensive" end, CAPTCHAS involve the problem of having a computer differentiate a human from a computer. (ignoring the porn site/3rd world outsourcing "attacks," for the moment.)
- Even on the "attacker" end, CAPTCHAS involve the problem of having a computer "fool" another computer that it is human.
The implications of each problem are different. The Turing test is mental exercise that helps us imagine the potential power of future computers, and how to approach the question of whether machines can "think." (i.e.: don't ask that question, use a metric that involves actual observation.)how big were the *penguins?*
Here's what I want to know:
l httpreq.html
Will Safari 3.0 support a JavaScript API to its XSLT Processor?
*This* wouldbe a major boost to speeding-up AJAX apps, as far as processing XML is concerned.
(XSL allows, for example: taking the XML returned from a web service, and transmuting it into HTML via XSL *rapidly*... It allows *rapid* sorting of tables client-side, in the browser, etc. )
It is true that you could build a library of "XSL" code that runs purely on Safari's JavaScript -- but this will never be as fast as compiled code. (Heck, you could write an XML parser in JavaScript, too -- or build an XMLHttpRequest object using JavaScript & iframes -- but I doubt many users would put up with the sluggish performance. The JavaScript automatic garbage collection, alone, can eat up CPU cycles/resources at unexpected times.)
This link is promising, but does not mention XSL:
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xm
Does any Slashdotter (or Apple employee?) know the answer?
LOL -- "white guilt" -- I certainly don't hear a lot of guilt, here. (although I do read many posts whose authors seem to think that no American Indians -- let alone people of color -- read Slashdot!)
The oppression of Native Peoples is not something that began and ended 500 years ago -- it is something that continues to this day. And not some mundane stuff, either:
* The absolute number of American Indian people in the United States continued to decline well into the 20th century -- thirty years after the "Indian Wars" ostensibly ended in 1890. (sometimes becuase of because of death-camp-like conditions)
* Vermont was sterilizing Native girls and women well into the 20th century.
* the genocide in Guatemtla, that killed 100-200,000 Indigineous Mayans between the mid-1950's and the mid-1990's -- with more people toward the latter date.
* the killing of Native South Americans, today -- and expropriation of their land -- ultimately because of international petrochemical companies.
* there are just too many things to list. But... Yes, oppression exists, and your denial of it will not change its reality, or sap the will of those who acknowledge or experience it.
NOTE: treaties with Native tribes in this country are not about "giving away" something to "those" people. They are what Native People *maintained* -- after fighting back with *force* against violence and force directed at them.
In my view, those treaties represent the *minimum bar* of how government is obligated to treat Native communities -- considering those treaties were often negotiated under duress: the threat of violence and *complete annhiliation.*
My experience is that corporate management are perfectly willing to have people of color in high-paid expert/technical roles. However, when it comes to having well-qualified people of color managing white people ... not so much. (...and moreover, the ostensible managees balk at this.) There surely is a "glass ceiling," even in 2007.
Yes, there *is* research that backs this up.
Your comment is especially ironic, then, considering that the Original Post is a such a misrepresention of fact, or a hoax.
Hey, how about that genocide/holocaust that went on for *500 years* across two very large continents: North and South America?
How many people ignore that one? Which one was "worse"? (At least the Nazi Holocause is acknowledged and repudiated by most people in this country.)
FYI: That genocide even continued through the 1980's and early 1990's, in Guatemala.
"Diesel" and "Hybrid" are not mutually exclusive.
...regardless of the fact that the market has not created *consumer* "diesel hybrids" for sale in North America, yet. (There are diesel-electric trains and busses, however.)
So, imagine you Jetta as a *diesel*-electric hybrid.
How could this possibly be modded insightful? This is actually an uninformed and naive view (however prevalent on Slashdot) of how and why XML are used.
I've seen this sentiment regarding "HTML" vs "XML" on Slashdot so often; let me set the record straight:
Many sites use XML on the back-end, either as an interchange format with a DB, or to store and to generate HTML. I would dare say that *most* web-based applications of XML generate HTML, rather than XML, as the final output format. Outputting HTML is simply a matter of supporting the lowest common denominator, and is no indication that "XML" lacks utility. With minimal effort, these XML data sources could be made directly accessible by search engines. (Or, XMHTML can be outputted instead of, or in addition to, HTML)
I would opine that if you are a developer, and you are storing vast amounts of marked-up data as "HTML" -- rather than X/HTML, then you are doing something wrong. (I'll back this up with one brief point: It is *trivial* to transform XML into HTML using a technology like XSL -- but going from HTML to XML most certainly is not.) Having your data in a machine-readable, micro-addressable format like X/HTML is so much more advantageous than HTML tag soup, I shouldn't have to enumerate all the reasons here. (This remedial info can be sought via a quick google search.)
Just because YOU only see "HTML" in the browser (and don't know how XML is used?), it does not mean that XML is not useful -- or even ideal -- for representing marked-up text and documents in an information system.
Uh, no.
The computer simulation is a representation of the *essential features* of a brain: i.e., a neural network that process data in a certain way. These essential features do not rely on the fact that they are made up of "cells that contains proteins, DNA, water...."
The properties of an adequate simulation may supervene, on the properties of the physical substrate in which the simulation is instantiated. This does not mean that an adequate simulation -- or even consciousness, cannot occur without the exact same type of underlying properties.
If necessary, cosmic rays could be made part of that simulation, as well. (i.e.: a detector arrayed in the desert of Arizona or somesuch -- no one says this "randomness" has to occur somewhere spatially near where the simulation takes place, as long as these "random seeds" are properly integrated into the simulation.)
what's so unique about real neurons, that an artificial one could not also be activated by cosmic rays?
Ahh... you're digging out that old canard.
Do you have any proof? ...besides some pundit you saw on Fox News 8 years ago? besides a William Saffire oclumn? besides the political-hack attorneys who threw around these accusations?
I thought not.
This is the real problem they (and now you?) were having:
"How DARE the Democrats seek donations from anyone other then true, red-blooded white, Christian Americans!"
You've fallen for another Republican lie, my friend. (BTW, did you ever consider how much money Chinese companies have funned to the GOP via WALMART?)
Music videos *are* ads.
But MSNBC is NOT plastering the airwaves with those rappers, either -- and especially not in a "talk show" format during during prime time!
So, you want to FORCE Proctor & Gamble to buy advertising from MSNBC? ...Just so that MSNBC can keep paying Don Imus? ...So, what if those bogeyman "rappers" were the ones who said those dirty words -- and *they* got "fired" by their bosses?
Where was there any "discrimination?" Do you even know what that word means?
This video on Human Computation describes using humans as part of a distributed computing grid for interpretting captchas, and categorizing images.
...And they'll actually particpate, en masse -- without pay -- thinking they're just playing an online *game.*
I'm all about making frameworks as "declarative" as possible. ***
I wonder if one side benefit is that the data (and the data architecture) can be moved to other systems where the code that interprets those declarations is optimized for multiple processors.
*** I try make high-level abstractions about the organization of data and *functionality* in a web application, for example -- and I try to keep the code implementation completely separate from that.
It doesn't matter if that is standard practice. MLK is just asking "imagine what they think we test our new weapons on them" -- and and our new weapons today are far more gruesome now than they were back then during Vietnam.
We are ostensibly in a war that involves, partly (if not substantially), "winning hearts and minds" -- remember?
FYI: Perhaps you should have kept your mouth shut today.
"What do they think as we test our new weapons on them, just as the Germans tested out new medicine and new tortures in the concentration camps of Europe?"
-- Martin Luther King, Beyond Vietnam: A Time to Break Silence (April 4, 1967)
Your insulting post -- and dismissiveness of Iraqi grievances -- is exactly why "they hate us." (...For good reason, if your attitude is reflective of Americans in general.)
> Better to cancel a destructive program than a constructive program to alleviate poverty
Yah, because despite 500+ years of aggression, expansionism, and genocide -- we all know that only European countries (and their colonial successors) have any right to "defend" themselves.
No, it's more like identifying that Walmart, Sears, Target and others use a particular brand + model of lock -- one that is basically defective because anyone can open them in some trivial manner.
(say, by jiggling the door handle a certain way.)
The lack of a built-in keyboard isn't a problem, IMHO. I think that is something best left to 3rd party vendors to perfect: mini Bluetooth-enabled input devices.
but: $599 + a two year contract, and Cingular is currently the only service provider? It's otherwise pretty cool... but maybe I should wait until the 2nd generation, and when there's other carriers + no contract necessary?