"Even though it doesn't use a mouse and runs on arcane but reliable commands in the complex Unix computer language, Linux software last year was chosen to run 17 percent of the business computers shipped by manufacturers, up from 7 percent in 1997, according to the research firm International Data Corp." -- the author of the article
Yup, really nailed it there. I didn't realize that my mouse (with which I done cut and pasted the above) wasn't actually being used.
It's also nice to see their deep understanding of what GNOME is/does. (bloat, crash, not compile... uh, I mean, look pretty, provide a WIMP interface, etc... it's actually not so bad so far, for me)
Where do these people come from? I mean, is there a DeVry-type place where people can get stupidity training? Does Microsoft furnish free reporters for Linux stories like these? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?
Unfortunately, it has some shortcomings and is not "industrial-strength" in some areas. Plus it's wicked slow. (wait, a wicked slow RDBMS -- that's redundant!) However, for applications that are multiple-read, multiple-write, it is the only choice that's Free. MySQL is appropriate for multi-read, single-write, but not transactions at the enterprise (eg. bank, hospital) level.
No, but you can give a "thank you Sybase" if you want to run a commercial RDBMS for free in deployment.
Unlike Oracle, Sybase offers technically adept users the chance to run an older version for free, for full deployment (unsupported of course).
Personally I don't see anything wrong with running the site on MySQL. Oracle is not bug free, Sybase is not bug free, DB/2 is not bug free, and Informix is not bug free. They're just big and baroque, and have been tested for longer.
IBM ought to be in the business of pushing their mainframes for the real high end, where no one else has anywhere near their name recognition ("mommy, what's a Unisys?"..."isn't a Tandem a bike with two people on it?").
This guy probably has to sell AIX (poor SOB) and doesn't want to admit that its JFS is the only good thing about AIX. (yes Virginia, DFS sucks)
IBM ought to concentrate on 1) mainframes in back, and 2) Netfinity boxes running tuned Linux kernels in the middle;
and let the desktop maroons choose their own OS. I.e. put Linux on a Thinkpad and sell it, now. Fuck, I'd buy one. (the VArBook 120 is $4000 and my old PowerPC notebook has booted its last)
Stupid ass infighting. IBM is so close to (yet so far away from) the unity it needs to dominate without manipulating the market (ala Microsoft).
FreeBSD is no more reentrant in the kernel than Linux 2.2 is. About 96-97% last time I checked, which may as well be "not at all".
Security is OpenBSD's forte.
FreeBSD happened to be better able to handle brutal loads when Yahoo was setting up shop.
"Nice" SMP is bullshit. Either kernel threads work or they don't. That's all there is to it. (well, as of 2.2; SMP on Linux 2.0 was poorer)
If you want ultimate scalability and reliability you buy a mainframe. If not, you're taking your chances with hardware that is "only" singly or doubly redundant.
Every line of code written at RedHat is released under the GPL. Hard to be a monster when you don't clench your grubby fingers around some IP rights. RedHat is also a nice bunch of people.
By the way, I run Debian now. I still respect RedHat and I think it's the right distribution for a great many people. They are NOT Microsoft -- my suspicion is that the screwiness of certain parts of the filesystem is due to well-intentioned attempts at standardization, and that's the only stupid nit I really have to pick with RH.
Adobe, Sun, IBM, Apple, HP, Compaq, and Cygnus all make a great deal more from their "freed" code than RedHat ever will; to call them "monsters" is disingenuous.
>A third law might be, termination clauses "aren't". Nothing makes me have to check the site before I use it to see if it was terminated. Nothing in the code self destructs at agiven order from the central command. >--
So, Mr. Big-Ass Pimp, what happens when you infringe on the license of a company with billions in assets and they decide not to take your happy-go-lucky approach to licensing?
But the pace of development in that world is a bit too fast for me to keep up with, let alone keep secure. I am interested enough in security and correctness to run Debian, but am not "elite" enough that I really have much to offer the OpenBSD people. Nor am I as comfortable with BSD internals... not that I'm that great with Linux's.
Anyways, my point was simply that Debian (not unlike RedHat, but in a more visible fashion) reminds people that an utterly-free distribution can be worthwhile. I am doing some work on Apache sub-projects and other free projects. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not a GPL fanatic. But I think that what Apple allows themselves to do, via their license, to developers is wrong.
They supported MkLinux so long as it benefitted their efforts towards OS X/Rhapsody. I haven't seen any development on it since, and I don't believe they're terribly interested in the continued survival of MkLinux. Granted, LinuxPPC offers higher performance, and is a more popular distribution, but MkLinux works fine for many people. Red Hat does not (IMHO) abandon projects the way Apple abandoned MkLinux, and Debian sure as hell doesn't (yeah yeah, but still).
If it works for you, fine, but Apple's license is repugnant and that's all I have left to say.
I almost posted a colossal flame of Apple's pseudOpen-Source license yesterday. I almost questioned my Debian installation today -- why shouldn't I just be like everyone else and use RedHat? Why try and give back to the community, even if at present it's only by beta testing (at least as far as Debian goes)?
Until then, it's just more Apple hype. And Apple is the true great as far as corporate hype is concerned. They'll die off, though, just like all the rest of the proprietary low-end competitors to Microsoft.
Hey, that reminds me -- how about an Apple SMP box? Oh wait, that's not fair. Only LinuxPPC runs on those.
(if there was an HTML tag for "enormous middle finger wagging in the face of Apple" I'd put that here)
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Look, no one is ever going to reverse the perpetuation of "hacker" as a synonym for "cracker". Accept it and work around it.
Better still, drill it into peoples' heads that there are two types of "hacker", not necessarily mutually exclusive. The illuminati of l0pht.com and similar, for example, are both, at least as far as Joe Sixpack can tell.
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I had no trouble compiling mod_ssl as a DSO and recompiling everything else (mod_perl and mod_jserv in particular) to run under SSL.
Try it again! Note that I was running Red Hat 5.2 on the server, I shall see what happens under Debian 2.1 when I get a chance later this week. (on my personal workstation)
It is not too hard if you carefully follow the directions. Making mod_rewrite work with mod_jserv, on the other hand, has proven to be tough, perhaps because we use DSOs.
This is one of those "gawd, it HAS to be a troll" posts... but it had to be said. "They said it ran on Linux but they're taking an [Alpha|Sparc|UltraSparc|M68K|PalmPilot], hmmm..."
>You've got everything you need with emacs and tex.
Yeah, most people do. But using LyX or AucTex is just so amazingly difficult -- it's much quicker and better to learn Word's templates.
Not.
Oh, and people actually develop cool add-ons for Emacs. Things like agents which perform fuzzy searches in the background for things that might be related, write code for you, etc. etc... the sort of things that Visual WindowBuilder++ Pro users pay through the nose for.
And of course it is just TRAGICALLY hard to run MSWordview to turn Word documents into HTML.
Basically, you're either a troll or an idiot.
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Gee, I wonder who the idiot was that suggested this fix in the jitterbug log?
(of course, switching to Debian 2.1 is going to be my bugfix as of next week, but still.)
Considering that the announcement explicitly says that it is a prerelease ONLY FOR THE BRAVE, this sort of "oooooh scaaaarey" dialogue has all the importance of your average War on Drugs.
"But weird shit could happen, JUST LIKE THEY SAY!"
What kind of an idiot WOULDN'T recognize Linus at this point? Granted, I saw him at USENIX do it wasn't real tough to figure out (lessee, the Finnish guy with the glasses is Linus, the Chinese fellow must be Ted T'so), but since then there have been pictures, magazine covers, everything.
Hell, I'll put my picture from USENIX up on the Web. Maybe some of the neat academic people I talked to (like the NCSU guy who told me how to link Kerberos 5 into AFS/DFS) will see them.
Anyways, look for a modest, Scandinavian guy with a little bit of belly bulge and glasses. If security hassles him, RIOT. Simple eh?
;-)
Seriously, his BOF at USENIX was quite cool. And he got a chance to personally slam SCO when they asked him about Linux emulation ("yeah, I hear SCO has been working on UNIX emulation for years now") which I never REALLY appreciated until I worked with SCO systems (OpenServer and UnixWare7). Those guys suck. And Skunkware is always broken.
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"Even though it doesn't use a mouse and runs on arcane but reliable commands in the complex Unix computer language, Linux software last year was chosen to run 17 percent of the business computers shipped by manufacturers, up from 7 percent in 1997, according to the research firm International Data Corp." -- the author of the article
Yup, really nailed it there. I didn't realize that my mouse (with which I done cut and pasted the above) wasn't actually being used.
It's also nice to see their deep understanding of what GNOME is/does. (bloat, crash, not compile... uh, I mean, look pretty, provide a WIMP interface, etc... it's actually not so bad so far, for me)
Where do these people come from? I mean, is there a DeVry-type place where people can get stupidity training? Does Microsoft furnish free reporters for Linux stories like these? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop?
The world may never know...
First of all, it's actually Free. Period.
Second, it handles transactions.
Third, it is actively developed.
Unfortunately, it has some shortcomings and is not "industrial-strength" in some areas. Plus it's wicked slow. (wait, a wicked slow RDBMS -- that's redundant!) However, for applications that are multiple-read, multiple-write, it is the only choice that's Free. MySQL is appropriate for multi-read, single-write, but not transactions at the enterprise (eg. bank, hospital) level.
No, but you can give a "thank you Sybase" if you want to run a commercial RDBMS for free in deployment.
Unlike Oracle, Sybase offers technically adept users the chance to run an older version for free, for full deployment (unsupported of course).
Personally I don't see anything wrong with running the site on MySQL. Oracle is not bug free, Sybase is not bug free, DB/2 is not bug free, and Informix is not bug free. They're just big and baroque, and have been tested for longer.
It's been that way for a while (using the GTK+ 1.1/1.2 series for Seamonkey).
1) my gtkstep theme makes it segfault; then
2) unthemed, it launches but can't figure anything
out about its environment and just sits there.
D'oh. Maybe I'd better wait until M3 to try again.
(yeah, I built the NSPR libs from the latest snapshot)
IBM ought to be in the business of pushing their mainframes for the real high end, where no one else has anywhere near their name recognition ("mommy, what's a Unisys?"..."isn't a Tandem a bike with two people on it?").
This guy probably has to sell AIX (poor SOB) and doesn't want to admit that its JFS is the only good thing about AIX. (yes Virginia, DFS sucks)
IBM ought to concentrate on
1) mainframes in back, and
2) Netfinity boxes running tuned Linux kernels in the middle;
and let the desktop maroons choose their own OS.
I.e. put Linux on a Thinkpad and sell it, now.
Fuck, I'd buy one. (the VArBook 120 is $4000 and my old PowerPC notebook has booted its last)
Stupid ass infighting. IBM is so close to (yet so far away from) the unity it needs to dominate without manipulating the market (ala Microsoft).
FreeBSD is no more reentrant in the kernel than Linux 2.2 is. About 96-97% last time I checked, which may as well be "not at all".
Security is OpenBSD's forte.
FreeBSD happened to be better able to handle brutal loads when Yahoo was setting up shop.
"Nice" SMP is bullshit. Either kernel threads work or they don't. That's all there is to it.
(well, as of 2.2; SMP on Linux 2.0 was poorer)
If you want ultimate scalability and reliability you buy a mainframe. If not, you're taking your chances with hardware that is "only" singly or doubly redundant.
Oracle is trash.
Adobe hasn't ever freed any code AFAIK.
Sorry about that.
Every line of code written at RedHat is released under the GPL. Hard to be a monster when you don't clench your grubby fingers around some IP rights. RedHat is also a nice bunch of people.
By the way, I run Debian now. I still respect RedHat and I think it's the right distribution for a great many people. They are NOT Microsoft -- my suspicion is that the screwiness of certain parts of the filesystem is due to well-intentioned attempts at standardization, and that's the only stupid nit I really have to pick with RH.
Adobe, Sun, IBM, Apple, HP, Compaq, and Cygnus all make a great deal more from their "freed" code than RedHat ever will; to call them "monsters" is disingenuous.
Back under the bridge, you!
Gee, why would anyone want to abandon SCO?
It's so much fun working on a machine that can't even compile "hello 1.000 world" out of the box.
>A third law might be, termination clauses "aren't". Nothing makes me have to check the site before I use it to see if it was terminated. Nothing in the code self destructs at agiven order from the central command.
>--
So, Mr. Big-Ass Pimp, what happens when you infringe on the license of a company with billions in assets and they decide not to take your happy-go-lucky approach to licensing?
I suppose you could move to Mexico.
But the pace of development in that world is a bit too fast for me to keep up with, let alone keep secure. I am interested enough in security and correctness to run Debian, but am not "elite" enough that I really have much to offer the OpenBSD people. Nor am I as comfortable with BSD internals... not that I'm that great with Linux's.
Anyways, my point was simply that Debian (not unlike RedHat, but in a more visible fashion) reminds people that an utterly-free distribution can be worthwhile. I am doing some work on Apache sub-projects and other free projects. Don't get me wrong -- I'm not a GPL fanatic. But I think that what Apple allows themselves to do, via their license, to developers is wrong.
They supported MkLinux so long as it benefitted their efforts towards OS X/Rhapsody. I haven't seen any development on it since, and I don't believe they're terribly interested in the continued survival of MkLinux. Granted, LinuxPPC offers higher performance, and is a more popular distribution, but MkLinux works fine for many people. Red Hat does not (IMHO) abandon projects the way Apple abandoned MkLinux, and Debian sure as hell doesn't (yeah yeah, but still).
If it works for you, fine, but Apple's license is repugnant and that's all I have left to say.
I almost posted a colossal flame of Apple's pseudOpen-Source license yesterday. I almost questioned my Debian installation today -- why shouldn't I just be like everyone else and use RedHat? Why try and give back to the community, even if at present it's only by beta testing (at least as far as Debian goes)?
This would be why.
No.
ESR ought to consider the negative impact of antics like these, rather than shooting from the hip. I still can't get over "Maid Tove" et al.
Even the usual marketing suspects rarely sink so low. Maybe Eric could go to work for Apple.
"Mac OS X -- runs way faster than those Bazaar operating systems, and comes in a spiffy case!"
Feh.
www.satanic.org
I like it, it has the string "gnu" embedded in it.
Of course the One True Name is... GNULIX!
;-)
and then maybe I'll pay attention.
Until then, it's just more Apple hype. And Apple is the true great as far as corporate hype is concerned. They'll die off, though, just like all the rest of the proprietary low-end competitors to Microsoft.
Hey, that reminds me -- how about an Apple SMP box? Oh wait, that's not fair. Only LinuxPPC runs on those.
(if there was an HTML tag for "enormous middle finger wagging in the face of Apple" I'd put that here)
Look, no one is ever going to reverse the perpetuation of "hacker" as a synonym for "cracker". Accept it and work around it.
Better still, drill it into peoples' heads that there are two types of "hacker", not necessarily mutually exclusive. The illuminati of l0pht.com and similar, for example, are both, at least as far as Joe Sixpack can tell.
Revel in the idiosyncracies of human language.
I always thought it was pretty clever.
I had no trouble compiling mod_ssl as a DSO and recompiling everything else (mod_perl and mod_jserv in particular) to run under SSL.
Try it again! Note that I was running Red Hat 5.2 on the server, I shall see what happens under Debian 2.1 when I get a chance later this week. (on my personal workstation)
It is not too hard if you carefully follow the directions. Making mod_rewrite work with mod_jserv, on the other hand, has proven to be tough, perhaps because we use DSOs.
duh.
This is one of those "gawd, it HAS to be a troll" posts... but it had to be said. "They said it ran on Linux but they're taking an [Alpha|Sparc|UltraSparc|M68K|PalmPilot], hmmm..."
>You've got everything you need with emacs and tex.
Yeah, most people do. But using LyX or AucTex is just so amazingly difficult -- it's much quicker and better to learn Word's templates.
Not.
Oh, and people actually develop cool add-ons for Emacs. Things like agents which perform fuzzy searches in the background for things that might be related, write code for you, etc. etc... the sort of things that Visual WindowBuilder++ Pro users pay through the nose for.
And of course it is just TRAGICALLY hard to run MSWordview to turn Word documents into HTML.
Basically, you're either a troll or an idiot.
Gee, I wonder who the idiot was that suggested this fix in the jitterbug log?
(of course, switching to Debian 2.1 is going to be my bugfix as of next week, but still.)
Considering that the announcement explicitly says that it is a prerelease ONLY FOR THE BRAVE, this sort of "oooooh scaaaarey" dialogue has all the importance of your average War on Drugs.
"But weird shit could happen, JUST LIKE THEY SAY!"
What kind of an idiot WOULDN'T recognize Linus at this point? Granted, I saw him at USENIX do it wasn't real tough to figure out (lessee, the Finnish guy with the glasses is Linus, the Chinese fellow must be Ted T'so), but since then there have been pictures, magazine covers, everything.
Hell, I'll put my picture from USENIX up on the Web. Maybe some of the neat academic people I talked to (like the NCSU guy who told me how to link Kerberos 5 into AFS/DFS) will see them.
Anyways, look for a modest, Scandinavian guy with a little bit of belly bulge and glasses. If security hassles him, RIOT. Simple eh?
;-)
Seriously, his BOF at USENIX was quite cool. And he got a chance to personally slam SCO when they asked him about Linux emulation ("yeah, I hear SCO has been working on UNIX emulation for years now") which I never REALLY appreciated until I worked with SCO systems (OpenServer and UnixWare7). Those guys suck. And Skunkware is always broken.
Gawd, I should get back to work.