Yeah. Looks like they're lagging way behind. Also, ODBC? I hear it scales _really_ well. Doesn't CPAN have any Perl modules to natively connect/execute stored procs? I thought it had everything?
SynchroNet (also, visit the home page) is easy to set up and stable as a MUTHA. Does FTP for filesharing, doors are easy enough to set up (more or less); it's ready to rock and or roll right out of the box.
If you're one of those curmudgeons blathering about how BBSes aren't dead, go out and prove it. I did, and have proven to myself that they really are dinosaurs. Ask yourself how long you'd sit around punching away at your TRaSh-80 or your old Apple IIc before you ran screaming back to your jacked-up P3/Athlon? You may be one of the small subset of folks that enjoys that sort of thing and for you, a BBS is a winning proposition. Just that, in my experience, we really are a small subset.
...first of all, let me pimp SynchroNet BBS. Even for a retard like me, I had it up and running on an old box with 6 doors and files and whatnot in an evening or two. (for the more rabidly fanatical of you, SynchroNet also is out on SourceForge, is available for Linux, and is GPL... I think)
As far as fast, latency was never an issue when you were dialing directly into a BBS.
As far as my experiences go... well. When I started it up, it was a fun bit of nostalgia, and I could watch as my computer scrambled to keep up between 12 and 12:30 AM, when my doors did their daily reset and everyone rushed to get in there. Within a few weeks, the people who knew what they were doing in the doors started dominating, so most people started slacking off. Message boards on our website meant people didn't post much to it.
So, uh. Yeah. Nostalgia does wear off sooner or later.
So now please point me to wherever I made any statement that could possibly be construed as saying I had no plan to release my "updated" source code?
Also, how is arguing for its infeasability a win? Is it possible for the GPL to lose in your eyes?
...so I'll say KRS-One. I'd assume that Alanis Morisette's also big into Napster, but KRS-One you'd actually have a decent shot at snagging. He may be on tour supporting his new album, but he's also a bit of a veteran of the college speaking circuit. Very pro-Napster as well. He'd be an interesting one to talk to: along with being a musician, he worked A&R for Warner Bros. records.
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> You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy
I sell you a copy of my new-and-not-very-improved product. You get the source code along with it. I get $250. The author gets nothing but my thanks for all the hard work he's done for me for free.
Am I missing something here?
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So. What was wrong with the example I gave? English this time, please.
> Unlike the Msft attitude of "Windoze everywhere" and "why would anyone use anything else" - you don't have to use GPL code. Just write your own from a clean start - or just pay Msft or someone else.
Err. What exactly does that mean?
As long as MSTing's the order of the day...
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> Say I write a new browser and release all the source code under the GPL. Now, my intellectual property is protected in the event that a company comes along, takes my source code and makes minor modifications and then sells it for $250 a piece.
Say you write a new browser and release everything under the GPL. I take it, make some minor updates, and sell it for $250 apiece, distributing all my code along with the binaries I'm selling. Exactly how is your IP protected?
Yes, it sucks, but be realistic: call centers don't masquerade as revenue centers.
If everyone woke up one day and said "You know what? I'm deeply offended by the fact that I had to deal with a rude, offensive tech support rep and as a result, I'll never buy from Company X again." or "Their customer service was so good I'll never buy from anyone else again!" then do you know what would happen as a result? Tech support would start getting much, much better.
Fact of the matter is that most people say "The product's OK and their tech support sucks, but what am I going to do?" Does an abrasive/non-existent customer service experience translate into lost benefit? Does a positive one translate into future revenue?
But hey. Go ahead. Write a letter mentioning just how shitty your service was. It means that the next time you call there'll be a slightly smaller, slightly more overloaded call center staff to bitterly respond to your call, not the better-trained, blah blah blah staff you're hoping to find.
I don't like it either; I think that tech support is way off the fucking scale on the tech savvy:actual know-how charts, but what're you gonna do? I know that I didn't get into programming so I could deal with morons on the phone. When I'm asking why my packets are dying at the edge of the network (or something of the sort that belies _actual knowledge_), I don't expect to be asked to run ipconfig, etc., etc.
Also, praise (albeit sort of backhanded) for Microsoft? Someone forgot to CC Katz in on that memo, huh?
Everyone's supposed to love open source here (right?) and while I don't know how good Winfingerprint is as far as mass auditing goes, it does recurse directory structure and like that. Used it in the dark days before source control to check DLL versions and whatnot. Plus Winfingerprint's open source so why not give it a look-see?
Site licenses only cover machines you already own, not ones you'll be buying in the future. That's the long and short of it.
You don't like those rules? No one's stopping you from using another OS; they're just trying to stop big corporations from "recycling" licenses.
Or rather, that's what the latest and greatest "fresh from the horses' mouth" from someone who purports to be an engineer at NASA who wrote The Register.
Of course, knowing the source, you have to take it with an even bigger grain of salt than you would from anyone on here.
Maybe the shuttle was PitBull's test server? Coincidence?
Playing Devil's Advocate...
I'm a white-hat sysadmin. I know the tools, I know the holes, I keep my risk as low as possible and my ear to the underground so I know what's happening.
Tiger Team Extraordinaire, Inc. approaches me with a job offer, pending me proving my ability to penetrate a border system they've set up. Giddy as a schoolgirl, I bust on through their ineptly-armored system and leave a little love note in the root, then get out.
Two days later, the FBI comes knocking on my door and drags me in, charging me with defacing some random webserver I've never heard of.
Mostly, I'm questioning the paucity of this bust and am hard-pressed to explain away how they managed to prove anything with it.
FBI: HELLO. I AM FROM A NOTABLE AMERICAN SECURITY COMPANY. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO WORK FOR US. HERE IS AN OS INSTALLATION WITH SOME GLORIOUSLY GAPING HOLES. ARE YOU BADD ENOUGH TO COMPROMISE IT? BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S BACK TO KASHA AND VODKA, VADIM.
h4x0r: Done!
FBI: HA HA. SUCKER. YOU'RE BUSTED.
This isn't witty, this isn't elegant, this is pretty much textbook entrapment. Not that I'm saying they're innocent, but jesus christ. Supplying the means (the computer) and motive (a job on the line) and it's not entrapment?
Nintendo owned the market in the mid 80's, they figuratively (and at times, literally) had their developers bent over the kitchen sink and had their way with them because they could.
The PlayStation was initially an add-on CD-ROM for the Super Nintendo that they decided their consumers didn't want. Whoops.
When you own the market, you can tell your consumers as well as developers how the game's played. Just keep them fingers crossed and hope no one chews up your market share and you can keep everything on your terms.
We tried this game in the twenties with the force of a Constitutional amendment behind it.
Did people stop drinking or did the mob start providing their now-dangerous booze?
Now beauracracies like the FDA can get slipped a mint to make GHB (for example) and suchly class one controlled substances. What about FHB? Who knows?
We know it's bad for us, we're adults, stop insulting our intelligence. If we want to, we should be able to: we're not (directly) hurting anyone. Except for the children in South America who are dying because the poison we unleashed to kill their perfectly legitimate crops has entered the water table and is killing more than just the cocoa plant. Whoops!
let's sue the schools for ignoring the bullying within 'em.
Not to jump on a soapbox or anything, but there's not really any single culpable party here. The administration shouldn't ignore bullying (teen suicides still outpace school shootings by a 100-ish:1 ratio, give or take).
Parents should obviously pay attention to their kids rather than depend on laws and schools to raise their children for them, but who are we to say that the parents didn't do everything in their power to help their kids? Is it _maybe_ possible that their kids were bullied and just plain refused to reach out to anyone for help and instead snapped?
Let's just sue ourselves and get it over with.
No offense, but SMBRelay's been out for a couple of weeks.
That said, if you were subtly looking to make a point about paying for what you should already know if you're keeping your eyes open, good show.
Go away, troll.
You could say that the problem is both acknowledged and fixed.
Why do I say FUD? Because there's a world of difference between a DoS and a DDoS.
Unless there's some mechanism in this overflow that allows one to elevate privelege level which the report and MS both neglected to mention?
P.S.: Linux' firewall product has a hole in it that allows attackers to use it to mount a DDoS. Like Microsoft's hole, it's patched. Wasn't this my original point?
Finally, I'll have a cheap machine I can give to the girlfriend.
After I purge Linux and install Win2K, of course.
Which brings to mind the question: is it possible to install Win2K on vapor? That'd be some amazing hardware compatibility.
> This is going to be a final solution, just like genocide was/is in all the wars.
Rather than flat out calling them Nazis/Hitler, you merely implied it. Good show, old chap.
p.s.: by generally-accepted usenet rules, this means you lose.
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Yeah. Looks like they're lagging way behind.
Also, ODBC? I hear it scales _really_ well. Doesn't CPAN have any Perl modules to natively connect/execute stored procs? I thought it had everything?
...if your ASP size starts to get unruly, it doesn't take all that long to port it over to a DLL.
...if Napster didn't already allow the sharing of WMAs.
Better luck next time.
SynchroNet (also, visit the home page) is easy to set up and stable as a MUTHA. Does FTP for filesharing, doors are easy enough to set up (more or less); it's ready to rock and or roll right out of the box.
If you're one of those curmudgeons blathering about how BBSes aren't dead, go out and prove it. I did, and have proven to myself that they really are dinosaurs. Ask yourself how long you'd sit around punching away at your TRaSh-80 or your old Apple IIc before you ran screaming back to your jacked-up P3/Athlon? You may be one of the small subset of folks that enjoys that sort of thing and for you, a BBS is a winning proposition. Just that, in my experience, we really are a small subset.
...first of all, let me pimp SynchroNet BBS. Even for a retard like me, I had it up and running on an old box with 6 doors and files and whatnot in an evening or two. (for the more rabidly fanatical of you, SynchroNet also is out on SourceForge, is available for Linux, and is GPL... I think)
As far as fast, latency was never an issue when you were dialing directly into a BBS.
As far as my experiences go... well. When I started it up, it was a fun bit of nostalgia, and I could watch as my computer scrambled to keep up between 12 and 12:30 AM, when my doors did their daily reset and everyone rushed to get in there. Within a few weeks, the people who knew what they were doing in the doors started dominating, so most people started slacking off. Message boards on our website meant people didn't post much to it.
So, uh. Yeah. Nostalgia does wear off sooner or later.
So now please point me to wherever I made any statement that could possibly be construed as saying I had no plan to release my "updated" source code?
Also, how is arguing for its infeasability a win? Is it possible for the GPL to lose in your eyes?
...so I'll say KRS-One. I'd assume that Alanis Morisette's also big into Napster, but KRS-One you'd actually have a decent shot at snagging. He may be on tour supporting his new album, but he's also a bit of a veteran of the college speaking circuit. Very pro-Napster as well. He'd be an interesting one to talk to: along with being a musician, he worked A&R for Warner Bros. records.
> You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy
I sell you a copy of my new-and-not-very-improved product. You get the source code along with it. I get $250. The author gets nothing but my thanks for all the hard work he's done for me for free.
Am I missing something here?
So. What was wrong with the example I gave? English this time, please.
> Unlike the Msft attitude of "Windoze everywhere" and "why would anyone use anything else" - you don't have to use GPL code. Just write your own from a clean start - or just pay Msft or someone else.
Err. What exactly does that mean?
> Say I write a new browser and release all the source code under the GPL. Now, my intellectual property is protected in the event that a company comes along, takes my source code and makes minor modifications and then sells it for $250 a piece.
Say you write a new browser and release everything under the GPL. I take it, make some minor updates, and sell it for $250 apiece, distributing all my code along with the binaries I'm selling. Exactly how is your IP protected?
Yes, it sucks, but be realistic: call centers don't masquerade as revenue centers.
If everyone woke up one day and said "You know what? I'm deeply offended by the fact that I had to deal with a rude, offensive tech support rep and as a result, I'll never buy from Company X again." or "Their customer service was so good I'll never buy from anyone else again!" then do you know what would happen as a result? Tech support would start getting much, much better.
Fact of the matter is that most people say "The product's OK and their tech support sucks, but what am I going to do?" Does an abrasive/non-existent customer service experience translate into lost benefit? Does a positive one translate into future revenue?
But hey. Go ahead. Write a letter mentioning just how shitty your service was. It means that the next time you call there'll be a slightly smaller, slightly more overloaded call center staff to bitterly respond to your call, not the better-trained, blah blah blah staff you're hoping to find.
I don't like it either; I think that tech support is way off the fucking scale on the tech savvy:actual know-how charts, but what're you gonna do? I know that I didn't get into programming so I could deal with morons on the phone. When I'm asking why my packets are dying at the edge of the network (or something of the sort that belies _actual knowledge_), I don't expect to be asked to run ipconfig, etc., etc.
Also, praise (albeit sort of backhanded) for Microsoft? Someone forgot to CC Katz in on that memo, huh?
Everyone's supposed to love open source here (right?) and while I don't know how good Winfingerprint is as far as mass auditing goes, it does recurse directory structure and like that. Used it in the dark days before source control to check DLL versions and whatnot. Plus Winfingerprint's open source so why not give it a look-see?
Site licenses only cover machines you already own, not ones you'll be buying in the future. That's the long and short of it.
You don't like those rules? No one's stopping you from using another OS; they're just trying to stop big corporations from "recycling" licenses.
Or rather, that's what the latest and greatest "fresh from the horses' mouth" from someone who purports to be an engineer at NASA who wrote The Register.
Of course, knowing the source, you have to take it with an even bigger grain of salt than you would from anyone on here.
Maybe the shuttle was PitBull's test server? Coincidence?
Playing Devil's Advocate...
I'm a white-hat sysadmin. I know the tools, I know the holes, I keep my risk as low as possible and my ear to the underground so I know what's happening.
Tiger Team Extraordinaire, Inc. approaches me with a job offer, pending me proving my ability to penetrate a border system they've set up. Giddy as a schoolgirl, I bust on through their ineptly-armored system and leave a little love note in the root, then get out.
Two days later, the FBI comes knocking on my door and drags me in, charging me with defacing some random webserver I've never heard of.
Mostly, I'm questioning the paucity of this bust and am hard-pressed to explain away how they managed to prove anything with it.
Even better (in a solid environment)? Unengraved headstones.
No, wait. That fad died out (no pun intended) a decade ago. Nevermind.
FBI: HELLO. I AM FROM A NOTABLE AMERICAN SECURITY COMPANY. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO WORK FOR US. HERE IS AN OS INSTALLATION WITH SOME GLORIOUSLY GAPING HOLES. ARE YOU BADD ENOUGH TO COMPROMISE IT? BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S BACK TO KASHA AND VODKA, VADIM.
h4x0r: Done!
FBI: HA HA. SUCKER. YOU'RE BUSTED.
This isn't witty, this isn't elegant, this is pretty much textbook entrapment. Not that I'm saying they're innocent, but jesus christ. Supplying the means (the computer) and motive (a job on the line) and it's not entrapment?
Nintendo owned the market in the mid 80's, they figuratively (and at times, literally) had their developers bent over the kitchen sink and had their way with them because they could.
The PlayStation was initially an add-on CD-ROM for the Super Nintendo that they decided their consumers didn't want. Whoops.
When you own the market, you can tell your consumers as well as developers how the game's played. Just keep them fingers crossed and hope no one chews up your market share and you can keep everything on your terms.
We tried this game in the twenties with the force of a Constitutional amendment behind it.
Did people stop drinking or did the mob start providing their now-dangerous booze?
Now beauracracies like the FDA can get slipped a mint to make GHB (for example) and suchly class one controlled substances. What about FHB? Who knows?
We know it's bad for us, we're adults, stop insulting our intelligence. If we want to, we should be able to: we're not (directly) hurting anyone. Except for the children in South America who are dying because the poison we unleashed to kill their perfectly legitimate crops has entered the water table and is killing more than just the cocoa plant. Whoops!
let's sue the schools for ignoring the bullying within 'em.
Not to jump on a soapbox or anything, but there's not really any single culpable party here. The administration shouldn't ignore bullying (teen suicides still outpace school shootings by a 100-ish:1 ratio, give or take).
Parents should obviously pay attention to their kids rather than depend on laws and schools to raise their children for them, but who are we to say that the parents didn't do everything in their power to help their kids? Is it _maybe_ possible that their kids were bullied and just plain refused to reach out to anyone for help and instead snapped?
Let's just sue ourselves and get it over with.
No offense, but SMBRelay's been out for a couple of weeks.
That said, if you were subtly looking to make a point about paying for what you should already know if you're keeping your eyes open, good show.
Go away, troll.
You could say that the problem is both acknowledged and fixed.
Why do I say FUD? Because there's a world of difference between a DoS and a DDoS.
Unless there's some mechanism in this overflow that allows one to elevate privelege level which the report and MS both neglected to mention?
P.S.: Linux' firewall product has a hole in it that allows attackers to use it to mount a DDoS. Like Microsoft's hole, it's patched. Wasn't this my original point?
Finally, I'll have a cheap machine I can give to the girlfriend.
After I purge Linux and install Win2K, of course.
Which brings to mind the question: is it possible to install Win2K on vapor? That'd be some amazing hardware compatibility.
> This is going to be a final solution, just like genocide was/is in all the wars. Rather than flat out calling them Nazis/Hitler, you merely implied it. Good show, old chap. p.s.: by generally-accepted usenet rules, this means you lose.