I'm not saying your wrong, or that actions that have happened like this are justified, but do you think any country in power would be any different?
Yes, the U.S. has issues. Can they be fixed? I don't know. I think the bigger issue is correcting human behavior with those who are granted the responsibility to rule. Those who's life desire is to rule should throw a red flag. (this includes both presidential runners)
The complicated nature of the interdependencies between Nations around the Globe makes things even more difficult. But don't think that these "Poor_Country" leaders are stupid enough to realize what is going on either. They have sold out their populace time and time again. This is not a one way street MrNaZ.
Agreed. There are too many folks out there who want to believe and mandate that the World should be "G" rated. Information flows better when left unfettered and unfiltered. Does the word 'shit' offend some folks, sure it does. Are there more descriptive words; it depends on the audience. But I will say that in the context of the web, typing "I don't care about that" just doesn't have the same power when you type "I don't give a shit about that."
So if someone wants "shit@verizon.com" as email address, good for them. I've always wanted to send shit somewhere and there's no better place then verizon.
"Let me guess - you're white and middle class and live in a nice area."
Generalize much? Why would you assume that s/he is that? Is it because you believe in that middle class white folks have all the breaks? That is what I read.
Exactly. I say it's promotional material for the movie and this guy was flipped a few bucks for it. I seriously doubt that all of these so-called governments would keep their mouth shut for this long.
1. This is perspective based. Come on, have you totally forgotten about Whitewater?
2. "But the issue is what is their voting record?" At the very least, when you get into the booth, you know McCains record. Obama is still green. Double edged sword here. That is what makes it tough. Also, has a senator ever made a good president?
3. "To say that we will spend our tax dollar one way or another is the total boogy man approach." Not true. I'll buy you a coffee if the government starts to trim my tax bill. It will be a tax and spend government if it's a matched party congress and executive.
3.a. "But they are superior in every way to the pubs (so far)." Please don't sell them short. They both suck in their own spectacular way.
4. We were still there enforcing no fly zones, sanctions and the like.
4.a. "except for the neo-cons (I am guessing that you are one of those)" Please don't put me in a box. I have no party affiliation and my opinions do not place me in such a box.
A. All elected officials have done/will continue to do contemptible acts. (next time please go back further then Reagan, and Clinton's only black mark isn't the fact that he got his 'cigar' wet)
B. Why then after all that history, you are still willing to believe one of the potential candidates? You don't think for a minute that the two runners are not going to lie, cheat, and steal? Get with reality please.
C. The Govt sucks at managing pretty much anything and everything, so the bait and switch here for everyone is to move dollars from defense to national health care (socialism anyone?) should the Dems get in. They can't even maintain medicare and folks want to buy into a national health care system? Sorry folks, they will find a way to spend our tax dollars, on one project or another.
D. "we invaded and occupied a country" Sorry, but "we" were already there since 1990. It's called finishing a job, so lets finish it correctly and not leave those people out in the wind.
Why don't they come up with the environmental criteria/requirements and state that the application submitter must complete the study and submit the findings with the application. If further study would be required, they could then investigate or push it back to the requesting company/agency.
"India didn't gain their independence through guns."
Not really a fair comparison IMO. England seen India as not having value enough to hold on to any longer. And it just so happened that when Gandhi came along, it was an out for all involved. The English could have pushed the issue with force if it wanted to. Then guns would have been needed. I'm not totally discounting Gandhi's place in history or his courage, however it seems to be left out that he benefited from the situation as well.
"Wind generation? Another form of solar energy. No sun, no wind. Lakes and rivers? No sun, no rain, no fresh water, no lakes and rivers! Not to say you can't harness these different manifestations of the sun's energy..."
If you want to break it down like that, then technically all Earth energy is nuclear fusion. No nuclear reaction, no Sun.
Yes. The most important thing. Cost. Even at $6.00US/gallon, petroleum based fuel is still cheaper then the alternative. In the short term that is, and that is what the masses care about. No one wants to flip the large upfront costs.
You also forgot two forms of energy production: chemical and wind. Go eat a burger and take a walk or ride bike. The chemical process of creating electricity is somewhere in the body. Wind is a little more self explanatory. And they are looking at adding sails to cargo ships to save on fuel costs. (popsci a few years ago if I remember correctly)
'As well reasoned as this opinion may seem, it is either an unconscious or willful tactic to ignore the actual science by discrediting the the perceived personal agendas. It is not really any different from the "Ad Homonem."'
My statement is an open-ended statement. I didn't say that anything should be done. I do feel that folks are way to quick to act and have a tendency to ignore new facts that come to light as science matures.
"Most of the climate speculation I've seen concentrates on very human-centric concerns such as food production, extreme weather and the effect of rising sea levels on major cities."
That's because we as humans (in general) still view ourselves as the center of the Universe. When we need to realize that though we have a cause/effect on our surroundings, we would hate to admit that we are not a bigger part of things then we think.
"Are you so inept or so blind that you're unable to see the benefits that Bill Gates, yes he, made to the industry that you are able to take advantage of today?"
"and that I, of all the people here, don't now and never will, blindly make assumptions based on ideals."
I guess stating that Bill Gates is personally and individually responsible for the IT world today isn't making a blind assumption based upon your ideal?
"@ $135/barrel, people are still wasting energy left and right. So it is still cheap."
I agree. Give it some time though. These large social changes take time. Hell, people still use Snail mail for bills and communication. And where the hell is that "paperless environment" while we are at it? Late in 2007 the futures for Oil were predicting $200/barrel by the close of 2008. Then the fun will begin.
"Drink ethanol (assuming not denatured), one gets drunk (or dies from alcohol poisoning). Drink methanol, and the optic nerve gets permanently polymerized by the by-products such as formic acid, which renders a person permanently blind."
Are you now using a brail keyboard? Or are you the lucky one who drank the ethanol and typing while drunk.
Policy is policy. You are no more important then any other "key" personnel. If it were a "key" contracts person or finance person who knows all the in's and out's of that field, why wouldn't they want to minimize their access as well. You have to have a break point and there is never a good time to do it. Better sooner then later IMO.
Joe, is that you? I need you to come to my office and give a presentation on how many 'engines' you've been 'ering.' The Mid-Level Lower-Sector Managers would like it to be at least 30 slides and I want to ensure that you can re-write it by tomorrow.
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I'm not saying your wrong, or that actions that have happened like this are justified, but do you think any country in power would be any different?
Yes, the U.S. has issues. Can they be fixed? I don't know. I think the bigger issue is correcting human behavior with those who are granted the responsibility to rule. Those who's life desire is to rule should throw a red flag. (this includes both presidential runners)
The complicated nature of the interdependencies between Nations around the Globe makes things even more difficult. But don't think that these "Poor_Country" leaders are stupid enough to realize what is going on either. They have sold out their populace time and time again. This is not a one way street MrNaZ.
Agreed. There are too many folks out there who want to believe and mandate that the World should be "G" rated. Information flows better when left unfettered and unfiltered. Does the word 'shit' offend some folks, sure it does. Are there more descriptive words; it depends on the audience. But I will say that in the context of the web, typing "I don't care about that" just doesn't have the same power when you type "I don't give a shit about that."
So if someone wants "shit@verizon.com" as email address, good for them. I've always wanted to send shit somewhere and there's no better place then verizon.
"There was a kid from a neighboring town who wanted to sell T-Shirts but I don't think that ever got approved either."
I bet he was pissed he didn't get the Fucking approval.
So are the Fucking town folk called Fuckers or Fuckings?
"Let me guess - you're white and middle class and live in a nice area."
Generalize much? Why would you assume that s/he is that? Is it because you believe in that middle class white folks have all the breaks? That is what I read.
"former Google search architect Anna Patterson"
Someone's going to sue somebody.
Exactly. I say it's promotional material for the movie and this guy was flipped a few bucks for it. I seriously doubt that all of these so-called governments would keep their mouth shut for this long.
1. This is perspective based. Come on, have you totally forgotten about Whitewater?
2. "But the issue is what is their voting record?" At the very least, when you get into the booth, you know McCains record. Obama is still green. Double edged sword here. That is what makes it tough. Also, has a senator ever made a good president?
3. "To say that we will spend our tax dollar one way or another is the total boogy man approach." Not true. I'll buy you a coffee if the government starts to trim my tax bill. It will be a tax and spend government if it's a matched party congress and executive.
3.a. "But they are superior in every way to the pubs (so far)." Please don't sell them short. They both suck in their own spectacular way.
4. We were still there enforcing no fly zones, sanctions and the like.
4.a. "except for the neo-cons (I am guessing that you are one of those)" Please don't put me in a box. I have no party affiliation and my opinions do not place me in such a box.
A few things:
A. All elected officials have done/will continue to do contemptible acts. (next time please go back further then Reagan, and Clinton's only black mark isn't the fact that he got his 'cigar' wet)
B. Why then after all that history, you are still willing to believe one of the potential candidates? You don't think for a minute that the two runners are not going to lie, cheat, and steal? Get with reality please.
C. The Govt sucks at managing pretty much anything and everything, so the bait and switch here for everyone is to move dollars from defense to national health care (socialism anyone?) should the Dems get in. They can't even maintain medicare and folks want to buy into a national health care system? Sorry folks, they will find a way to spend our tax dollars, on one project or another.
D. "we invaded and occupied a country" Sorry, but "we" were already there since 1990. It's called finishing a job, so lets finish it correctly and not leave those people out in the wind.
Why don't they come up with the environmental criteria/requirements and state that the application submitter must complete the study and submit the findings with the application. If further study would be required, they could then investigate or push it back to the requesting company/agency.
"India didn't gain their independence through guns."
Not really a fair comparison IMO. England seen India as not having value enough to hold on to any longer. And it just so happened that when Gandhi came along, it was an out for all involved. The English could have pushed the issue with force if it wanted to. Then guns would have been needed. I'm not totally discounting Gandhi's place in history or his courage, however it seems to be left out that he benefited from the situation as well.
It was these nasty "daemons" that did it.
"Wind generation? Another form of solar energy. No sun, no wind. Lakes and rivers? No sun, no rain, no fresh water, no lakes and rivers! Not to say you can't harness these different manifestations of the sun's energy..."
If you want to break it down like that, then technically all Earth energy is nuclear fusion. No nuclear reaction, no Sun.
"Am I missing something?"
Yes. The most important thing. Cost. Even at $6.00US/gallon, petroleum based fuel is still cheaper then the alternative. In the short term that is, and that is what the masses care about. No one wants to flip the large upfront costs.
You also forgot two forms of energy production: chemical and wind. Go eat a burger and take a walk or ride bike. The chemical process of creating electricity is somewhere in the body. Wind is a little more self explanatory. And they are looking at adding sails to cargo ships to save on fuel costs. (popsci a few years ago if I remember correctly)
"I didn't say that anything should be done."
I meant:
"I didn't say that anything shouldn't be done."
'As well reasoned as this opinion may seem, it is either an unconscious or willful tactic to ignore the actual science by discrediting the the perceived personal agendas. It is not really any different from the "Ad Homonem."'
My statement is an open-ended statement. I didn't say that anything should be done. I do feel that folks are way to quick to act and have a tendency to ignore new facts that come to light as science matures.
"Most of the climate speculation I've seen concentrates on very human-centric concerns such as food production, extreme weather and the effect of rising sea levels on major cities."
That's because we as humans (in general) still view ourselves as the center of the Universe. When we need to realize that though we have a cause/effect on our surroundings, we would hate to admit that we are not a bigger part of things then we think.
"you're either delusional or willfully ignorant."
I hate making tough decisions.....I'll go with waiting for science to get all the facts right and remove political/personal agendas.
"Are you so inept or so blind that you're unable to see the benefits that Bill Gates, yes he, made to the industry that you are able to take advantage of today?"
"and that I, of all the people here, don't now and never will, blindly make assumptions based on ideals."
I guess stating that Bill Gates is personally and individually responsible for the IT world today isn't making a blind assumption based upon your ideal?
"I certainly can't deny that the way in which Microsoft screwed IBM early on was of benefit to everyone, in terms of how cheap hardware is now."
Not to nit pick, but I think IBM screwed themselves.
"@ $135/barrel, people are still wasting energy left and right. So it is still cheap."
I agree. Give it some time though. These large social changes take time. Hell, people still use Snail mail for bills and communication. And where the hell is that "paperless environment" while we are at it? Late in 2007 the futures for Oil were predicting $200/barrel by the close of 2008. Then the fun will begin.
"Drink ethanol (assuming not denatured), one gets drunk (or dies from alcohol poisoning). Drink methanol, and the optic nerve gets permanently polymerized by the by-products such as formic acid, which renders a person permanently blind."
Are you now using a brail keyboard? Or are you the lucky one who drank the ethanol and typing while drunk.
Policy is policy. You are no more important then any other "key" personnel. If it were a "key" contracts person or finance person who knows all the in's and out's of that field, why wouldn't they want to minimize their access as well. You have to have a break point and there is never a good time to do it. Better sooner then later IMO.
"No. The next minute, THEY are told they are brother and sister. Big difference."
Either way, where was the "OMG, my sister gave me the tongue and I wanted to nail her!" moment in the movie?
Conan will crush it's enemies, see WoW driven before it, and to hear the lamentations of both its women.
Fixed.
Joe, is that you? I need you to come to my office and give a presentation on how many 'engines' you've been 'ering.' The Mid-Level Lower-Sector Managers would like it to be at least 30 slides and I want to ensure that you can re-write it by tomorrow.