Actually,
WRONG. You can download them now. As you have been able to download.NET for free for the past 5 years, along with VB for the past 10 years, and much more.
Sorry, but where did you get the (and failing) from?
In fact, Aero is light years ahead of Aqua. If you actually downloaded the beta copies of Longhorn and read the blogs you would know what is going on.
But hey, here is yet another slashdot geek speaking out of his arse.
Actually,
you really should know what you are talking about before you make bold statements.
Avalon - NOT the shiny new interface, is the new display subsystem. It handles the layout of windows forms and such. It also has NO knowledge of XML.
XAML - A declarative programming language based off of XML. It allows you to instantiate objects using XML.
Such as -
would instantiate a Hello object and set its Color to blue.
Aero - The new shiny interface system. This is actually what makes things pretty and is built off of DirectX. This also has no knowledge of XML or XAML.
But this is slashdot, so I should expect geeks to talk out of there arse before knowing what they are talking about!:-)
While I don't want to give any credibility to this guy, come on - that isn't fair at all.
Would you write on in Java without using Java2D? Would you write one in.NET without using GDI+? Would you write a Python web browser with out using anything except int, float, double, etc??
Come on. A language provides APIs. Without a libarary behind it any language truly sucks.
But i do agree with your other points. Just had to make this one.
I agree with you. Except they still do have a choice. Microsoft isn't saying that you "can't" develop with VB6. I have the cds still if you want em:-)
They are just not supporting it. Even on the big projects, how many times do you call support on your dev platform? Especially one as mature as VB6?
Plus there is still a community behind it as far as I can see.
I don't know. I guess if you want to stick with VB6 the option is still there. Microsoft is just trying to say "move on."
Let me put it this way. Just because there is a "Market" for something, doesn't mean that you should sell and support a product in that market. The market might be really small.
You know what?.NET has been around since 2000. That's 5 years. Get with the times.
Too many lazy ass developers if you ask me..NET is significantly better than VB6 in ALL aspects. That is development, testing, deployment, etc... It even has the drag & drop coding style!
I wrote a large application in VB.NET this past summer that is being used by NASA today to calculate various risks associated with shuttle launches. I hate VB and hope to never touch it again, but VB.NET is very powerful due to the.NET Framework behind it.
Enough ranting. This whole thing is getting old. I mean, they are Microsoft MVPs! You think they would be able to learn a new technology.
This is like all the assembler programmers out there - not wanting to learn a language like C++ because assembler is soooo much more powerful:-)
(BTW - Assembler does have its place, I was just trying to make a point).
While I disagree with him, why would it be a problem if he was arguing with a Firefox developer?
I mean, if it is a Firefox developer - he is probably going to be quite biased towards how "awesome" Firefox is and say anything necessary to believe him.
I mean, if you contribute a lot of time to a project and someone says something not particularly positive - which stance are you going to take? Offensive, or defensive?
I have to apologize, when I wrote this I was very tired. It was 800,000 copies sold, not $800,000:-)
Also, 200,000 subscriptions at 15 a month would be 3M a month, not 1.5.
Sorry.
I don't know why I am replying. But I said complex software install and service packs. These are exactly the items you mentioned. Did you even read my message?
This comment is utterly ridiculous. Just because "you" wouldn't pay a subscription, doesn't mean others won't. Hell, WoW has $800,000 copies sold! Tell me that isn't a fairly large market. Let's say 200,000 are active subscribers at 15 a month - that is 1.5M per month in revenue!
I subscribe to WoW and find the subscription model very good for the money. I spend 50 bucks on an Xbox or PS2 game only to receive max 50 hours enjoyment out of it. Plus, it is never upgraded (on xbox live, there are exceptions).
To each his own, but I think there is tons of potential in the subscription market if the game is *good* - which is key. There are a lot of MMOs out there that just plain suck.
But you said it yourself - it is unmanaged code.
To be more specific - a user must use the unsafe keyword in C#. The code is then compiled to a non-verifiable code block. This is not run within.NET's security system.
If you are talking about interop with unmanaged code - well, yes, then you are calling C or C++ and hence, it is not secure.
Please, don't contradict yourself. All he said was that C# was secure when used (not mixed with C & C++).
And it is very secure, I know from experience.
I totally disagree.
Just because the Xbox 2 is coming out doesn't mean I have to buy it and stop using the Xbox.
I could get 10 years of enjoyment out of my Xbox if I wanted.
What? Sony doesn't provide upgrades very often so that is supposed to be a good thing?
With all the hype around the cell I will be amazed if it is half the system they say it is.
Peace out - and please, enjoy whatever system you like. Because it doesn't matter which is "better", just which one you want to play.
How about instead of parentheses KDE just provides a simple mouseover?
Just seems better in my opinion. But then again, I use Gnome and am not particularly fond of KDE.
It seems so cluttered. Most people don't want to spend 10 hours just to get their desktop to look good.
But again, just my opinion.
Oh, yeah,
FidelCastro is using it, so it must not be dying!:-)
Seriously though, I always think it is funny when someone argues that something is not dying just because they have it on their machine.
I can't wait to see the result of this. The Xbox just keeps getting better and better. Xbox Live kicks ass. Can't wait to add some more great RPG titles.
Dude, You have some major issues man. Are you try to tell me that many of the SOLDIERS in Iraq had no idea they were signing up for something dangerous? You would have to be a *total idiot* to sign up for the military and not know that you life is at stake. It is part of the job.
Secondly, it wasn't just that 7 astronauts died - which yes, that is a tradegy in itself. But it is the fact that each launch costs us taxpayers millions upon millions of dollars - and if they aren't going to be safe & secure, then there is no point in spending the money.
You may get your ass handed to you in Counter-Strike - but you are going to have a hell of a fun time anyways:-)
Seriously, with full 5.1 surround and that great of graphics - why the hell would you be playing a graphical disaster of a game like CStrike anyways?!;-)
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What. Just because their products have their own flaws means they should adopt all technologies that are flawed?
Actually, WRONG. You can download them now. As you have been able to download .NET for free for the past 5 years, along with VB for the past 10 years, and much more.
Yet you call it insecure while admitting you have no idea what it is. Chalk up another slashdot geek speaking out of his arse.
Sorry, but where did you get the (and failing) from? In fact, Aero is light years ahead of Aqua. If you actually downloaded the beta copies of Longhorn and read the blogs you would know what is going on. But hey, here is yet another slashdot geek speaking out of his arse.
Actually, you really should know what you are talking about before you make bold statements. Avalon - NOT the shiny new interface, is the new display subsystem. It handles the layout of windows forms and such. It also has NO knowledge of XML. XAML - A declarative programming language based off of XML. It allows you to instantiate objects using XML. Such as - would instantiate a Hello object and set its Color to blue. Aero - The new shiny interface system. This is actually what makes things pretty and is built off of DirectX. This also has no knowledge of XML or XAML. But this is slashdot, so I should expect geeks to talk out of there arse before knowing what they are talking about! :-)
While I don't want to give any credibility to this guy, come on - that isn't fair at all.
.NET without using GDI+? Would you write a Python web browser with out using anything except int, float, double, etc??
Would you write on in Java without using Java2D? Would you write one in
Come on. A language provides APIs. Without a libarary behind it any language truly sucks.
But i do agree with your other points. Just had to make this one.
I agree with you. Except they still do have a choice. Microsoft isn't saying that you "can't" develop with VB6. I have the cds still if you want em :-)
They are just not supporting it. Even on the big projects, how many times do you call support on your dev platform? Especially one as mature as VB6?
Plus there is still a community behind it as far as I can see.
I don't know. I guess if you want to stick with VB6 the option is still there. Microsoft is just trying to say "move on."
Let me put it this way. Just because there is a "Market" for something, doesn't mean that you should sell and support a product in that market. The market might be really small.
.NET has been around since 2000. That's 5 years. Get with the times.
.NET is significantly better than VB6 in ALL aspects. That is development, testing, deployment, etc... It even has the drag & drop coding style!
.NET Framework behind it.
:-)
You know what?
Too many lazy ass developers if you ask me.
I wrote a large application in VB.NET this past summer that is being used by NASA today to calculate various risks associated with shuttle launches. I hate VB and hope to never touch it again, but VB.NET is very powerful due to the
Enough ranting. This whole thing is getting old. I mean, they are Microsoft MVPs! You think they would be able to learn a new technology.
This is like all the assembler programmers out there - not wanting to learn a language like C++ because assembler is soooo much more powerful
(BTW - Assembler does have its place, I was just trying to make a point).
While I disagree with him, why would it be a problem if he was arguing with a Firefox developer?
I mean, if it is a Firefox developer - he is probably going to be quite biased towards how "awesome" Firefox is and say anything necessary to believe him.
I mean, if you contribute a lot of time to a project and someone says something not particularly positive - which stance are you going to take? Offensive, or defensive?
I have to apologize, when I wrote this I was very tired. It was 800,000 copies sold, not $800,000 :-)
Also, 200,000 subscriptions at 15 a month would be 3M a month, not 1.5.
Sorry.
I don't know why I am replying. But I said complex software install and service packs. These are exactly the items you mentioned. Did you even read my message?
This comment is utterly ridiculous. Just because "you" wouldn't pay a subscription, doesn't mean others won't. Hell, WoW has $800,000 copies sold! Tell me that isn't a fairly large market. Let's say 200,000 are active subscribers at 15 a month - that is 1.5M per month in revenue! I subscribe to WoW and find the subscription model very good for the money. I spend 50 bucks on an Xbox or PS2 game only to receive max 50 hours enjoyment out of it. Plus, it is never upgraded (on xbox live, there are exceptions). To each his own, but I think there is tons of potential in the subscription market if the game is *good* - which is key. There are a lot of MMOs out there that just plain suck.
But you said it yourself - it is unmanaged code. To be more specific - a user must use the unsafe keyword in C#. The code is then compiled to a non-verifiable code block. This is not run within .NET's security system.
If you are talking about interop with unmanaged code - well, yes, then you are calling C or C++ and hence, it is not secure.
Please, don't contradict yourself. All he said was that C# was secure when used (not mixed with C & C++).
And it is very secure, I know from experience.
Rebooting is the solution for lame admins who don't know how to fix the problem in the first place.
With enough windows experience the only time you have to reboot windows is after a complex software install or a major service pack.
Of course, since this is Slashdot, I will get flamed for this most likely.
I totally disagree. Just because the Xbox 2 is coming out doesn't mean I have to buy it and stop using the Xbox. I could get 10 years of enjoyment out of my Xbox if I wanted. What? Sony doesn't provide upgrades very often so that is supposed to be a good thing? With all the hype around the cell I will be amazed if it is half the system they say it is. Peace out - and please, enjoy whatever system you like. Because it doesn't matter which is "better", just which one you want to play.
All I have to say - go WoW! I love this game :-) I should have never started playing it though because now I am addicted.
How about instead of parentheses KDE just provides a simple mouseover? Just seems better in my opinion. But then again, I use Gnome and am not particularly fond of KDE. It seems so cluttered. Most people don't want to spend 10 hours just to get their desktop to look good. But again, just my opinion.
Oh, yeah, FidelCastro is using it, so it must not be dying! :-)
Seriously though, I always think it is funny when someone argues that something is not dying just because they have it on their machine.
I can't wait to see the result of this. The Xbox just keeps getting better and better. Xbox Live kicks ass. Can't wait to add some more great RPG titles.
Actually,
:-)
Yeah I would say that once your code is converted to machine code it is NO longer object oriented.
What is object oriented anyways? It is code written that exhibits the traits of polymorphism, abstraction, etc...
Does machine code do this? Heck no. Does C++? Yes. Python? Very good. C#? Also very good.
Can you convert from OO to non-OO during compilation? Of course. In fact we have to since the hardware has no concept of OO. Now there is an idea!
Dude,
You have some major issues man. Are you try to tell me that many of the SOLDIERS in Iraq had no idea they were signing up for something dangerous? You would have to be a *total idiot* to sign up for the military and not know that you life is at stake. It is part of the job.
Secondly, it wasn't just that 7 astronauts died - which yes, that is a tradegy in itself. But it is the fact that each launch costs us taxpayers millions upon millions of dollars - and if they aren't going to be safe & secure, then there is no point in spending the money.
You may get your ass handed to you in Counter-Strike - but you are going to have a hell of a fun time anyways :-)
Seriously, with full 5.1 surround and that great of graphics - why the hell would you be playing a graphical disaster of a game like CStrike anyways?! ;-)