We can do it im sure , It just takes us infroming our family and freinds and persuading them that it is a dangeour to our rights. Im not talking just the USA im talking the whole world. This in essence is a tech problem and who do they come to when they have a tech problem..us. I didnt mean to sound rude i apoligise for that , I just think we can fight it. I will continue to opose it till the bitter end,even if victory for them is inevatable , then i and hopefully many others will not make it easy for them. Perhaps we can succed,stranger things have happend
If they want to sue this man for slander , well then they can also sue me for libel. From what i have just read it is fairly aparent that the *cough* makers*cough*/gpl-violaters of chery OS have done it again and are trying to abuse the gpl once more.
To MXS To me your company (MXS) is nothing but a bunch of liers and plagerists.Anyone buying your products should realise this and realise that they are funding an organisation with no ethics and a dubious reputation. If i am wrong and your honest(which i doubt) then i apoligise but from what ive seen today just shows more evidence that you should be taken to court for this.
Your Sincerly Fidel-catsro(A.K.A G.T.K)..... If they want to take Drunkenbatman to court then i say we all join in and acuse them and see who far they get trying to take us all to court. I havn't had time to fully read overevery last bit of his findings (fairly lengthy read and rather well done) but from what i have seen it looks like they didn't learn the first time.
I actualy got an ipod because of the quality of the machine and later occasionaly used itunes for some thins that i couldnt really get here. Most of my collection is mp3s i ripped from my own CDs and some vinlys so it worked out great for me.
My only complaint with the iPod is the lack of OGG support but that isn't too important for me as i don't belive mp3 is a restricted format here and i have the lame encoder. I really dont see why apple should be forced to start supporting another companys DRM format and by the nature of DRM(which i really dislike as a concept) it is comercial so any company wishing to use apples DRM in their player would have to pay royalties to apple or vice versa. Its a whole rather silly mess anyway all these variants of DRM not to mention DRM being a messy affair anyway
That is the exact attitude that will mean it is the future and it is unstopable . If we all realise that if we stop buying the DRM restricted stuff fairly soon it will disapear. The only reason its gaining ground is because alot of people are just sitting back and accepting it as an inevatabilite
Yahoo introduces competitor for Napster , as the main itunes crowd will be using it on a mac or windows with an iPod. However this is in direct competition with napster who offer bassicaly the same service for more money
I do like the GPL though i see it as the copyleft ideal.
on the main issue What strikes me is that some people assume because i dont like copyright i wouldnt pay for music(etc) if there was non , I would.
You see the way i look at it is that people will still buy stuff , and if they dont they will find that some artist may stop producing work. At which point people those who didnt want to contribute(by buying things and funding the artist) will realise that its a good thing to help pay their way and may start to buy there music/books/films to support the continuation of the work.
I find it disheartening that people have so little faith left in this . I buy my copys of linux on CD as i like to support the continuations of the works. I donate to a few projects aswell.
This is the way i belive it should be , don't know if it will work . but i have some hope that people will see it this way too eventualy
just because something dosn't have to cost you money dosn't mean you don't want to contribute.
Probably should of expanded on that one a tiny bit.
Yes i do belive there should be no copyright laws , but no i dont think it would currently work(yet , long story short i belive in utopian ideals).Though i would like to see them laxed and perhaps given a new name such as comercial-rights.
I would like something set to ensure that the creator of the work is always credited(unless they dont want to be).
Yes i do belive there should be restriction on sale of others work unless its granted.
No i do not belive in the restrictions of peoples rights to share ideas , music and info so long as it is not for profit.
Before anyone says it , no i don't break my countrys copyright laws , i am opposed to them but they are still laws right now.
I assume i will see loads of posts insulting me for holding these views,but i don't mind being a little outspoken.
Well if i do ever write something it would be under the creative commens license (copyleft). To awnser your question on work , well I am an IT Director(by title) and Systems Admin(by trade) so yes i have worked more than a single day in my life.
Your right im confusing my paraphrases here . I should of double checked that one
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Holy dog Sh*T. Microsoft? Only steers and XPers come from Microsoft, Private Ballmer. And you don't look much like a steer to me so that kinda narrows it down. Do you suck at *Nix?
No but they add up to a great party and a free gift to celebrate the completion of a job well done,that you would of perhaps done for nothing anyway had you known about it. Its more a nice congratulatory thing rather than something you do to pay your way. Also come to think about it , in some parts of the world these rewards are a rather hefty insentive.for example in romania the average monthly wage is about 265.03 euro/US$353.70.(source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/Romania) so an 100 USD insentive is a rather nice bonus , and 500 for a larger project(limewire as the example) is nearly 2 months average wage
Darth Vader: You may take Limewire to Jabber for chat after I have Skywalker. Boba Fett: He's no good to me non complient. Darth Vader: He will not be permanently proprietery.
I personaly wrote a few of the advertisers , i have no doubt it probably did very little to aid the cause , Considering how fast this hapend. All i hoped for was to bring it to the light of the advertisers if anything.
Everyone who did anything to help should be proud they took a stand,So long as they realise they they themselves were never the sole hero. It was most likely a combination of things , The editors threatening a walk out , outrageous bad press on slashdot and other sites, the fact the articals were pretty much actionable and so on.
It may be a bit cheesy but there is still alot of truth the "Every vote counts " meme . If more people belived in it then it is one of those things that does grow in strentgh when you belive as you yourself get off your chair and do something about it.
I totaly agree with you it was most likely the Horrible PR and the advertisers noticing , but i disagree with your sentiment that people shouldnt congratualte themselves for aiding things here.Every single person who posted a comment on this , everyone who wrote a letter , everyone who did anything to try and get this woman fired for her actions helped. You all should feel proud.
Perhaps im just a soppy left wing liberal with a bit too strong a belife in the power of the people . Who knows though
I also wrote a few of those advertisers saying I and my company would be blacklisting their products and services,and told them why. Havn't got any response but i know a few others did write aswell. The advertisers may be the only important thing to them , but were the important thing to the advertisers.
I imported mine from lik-sang.com , There are a fair few on ebay aswell although since the announcment of the EU pricing for some odd(as in obvious sarcasm) reason now the PSP imports have gone up in price.
I did try it on 1.5 and it just dosnt apear unfortunatly.Although i had heard they are making inroads as to API development for the psp and mapping out things. Intrestingly i am quite suprised sony hasnt released some form of API itself for this type of thing.
I am fairly sure it would garner then some great PR ammongst us geeks and hakers. I know were not likely a main target audiance , but we are the folks who family and freinds come to when asking for some tech advice.
I currently have version 1.5 from japan (installed when i got it) Is there any info on the progress of the version for Firm-ware 1.5 atall. I know most shipped now are comming with 1.5 I will give it a try on 1.5 see what hapens though .
Im not a football fan either , but dammed if its hard not to have an opinion on the old firm , you know i think it probably may benefit scottish football as a sport to get rid of those two. Encourage growth in the littler teams and have more intresting competition. It would become less bussines like and more about the game(my granda is a hugh football fan , i am a geek and thus hate it;) , though i did play rugby ) Maybe more scottish players would get recognition and it would become less distrubingly hollwoodised as it is now with stupid multi million contracts for a bunch of men playing wie their balls
Europe:Having lived in germany for a few years now , in the north east i see many simmilar needs to the needs i see in Scottland though truthfully not the UK as a hole so you may have a point there when you say the rest of the UK may not benifit.Though i belive that within the EU we have more power to influence and turn it away from the beurocratic ways and start to make it mroe democratic
the Euro: well the inflation rate and infact world currencys have always been a total mess , Infact the gold standerd is insanely corupt and speculation is a mena ce.though this is why i want a single world currency i see the euro as a good way towards that , and why shouldnt we give it a try . If in the end your right there is not much stopping us from voting it out or renmaing it the UKEU and spliting it from the rest of the Euro;) yeah the thing about hadrians wall was , we wernt actualy trying to scare the romans , all we were doing was shouting after them "DE YE WANT SOME HAGIS" , unfortunatly they took this to mean that we had dragons and were going to lob their heads off and so they made hadrians wall
The whole scottish parlimentry thing is a mess right now,it devolves hardly any of the things that should have been devolved , there is no doubt we have a strong economy inn the end (may be dodgy at first but will grow), The sun is full of tripe so honestly dont hold too much ground in it.
We do get subsidised but then we do provide alot of oil money which gets moved away from the areas it should benifit not to mention the research institutes.so it works both ways.That and blair wouldnt grant us those reforms to start building the wind and tidal generators which could be an emmense revenue source as well as a way to help the enviroment
I differ on a few things to you , i am very much an idealist and a globalist. So i strongly belive in EU integration;) i dislike blair for the Bush relation , but i difer on your reasons for Disliking him on europe.I think he is far far too anti europe hee
for me it would work like this
Benefits , too often people who really need help dont recive it and those with real problems get no help , though i agree others get too much.
Imigration , The more the merryer.they should be treated as equal members of our society and not given any special dispensation either postive or negative.
Europe , I am a globalist;) i live in germany right now and am very much strong european integration and a single european currency.
Bush/blair... Shudder..blair should have been impeached for some of the stuff he did
It takes difrent folks to make up a parlimentery system. The oposing view points help to secure the will of the people so long as it dosn't turn partiasan and voting on the company/party line (remove party whips for example would help)
The pro EU sentiment is one of the things i see as a reason for scottish independance , as i know alot of you folks down south(well north west hee of me) are less pro EU I wouldnt like us forcing our pro-EU sentiment upon you as im sure you feel the same in the reverse.
Indeed i have much respect for that view , But as you can probably see im on the other side of the coin. I do infact belive we could have a strong economy as an EU nation state , a member of the commenwealth , and what i would like to think we could still keep many of the benifits of the Union just less of the disadvantages.
Its all as i see it just a step in the develoution to independant state nations withing the EU and eventualy the UN as a proper gouverning body representing faily all peoples of the world.Yep im pretty much a globalist at heart
As im sure you can recognise the SNP are very much still in heady days of idealism.The reality will hit and i know some of them have clearly defined policys for after independance but others are just still dreamy.
I do strongly belive it could work and that we would benifit , but this will have to wait till later to either prove or disprove .
Some of us do take it a bit far.Infact thats what i really making a joke about. Personaly i dont see myself as brittish never have . I dont get angry about it though when someone say it . It dosn't even come close to defining my pro SNP sentiment. My nationalism stems from wanting to have our voices heard more clearly within Europe and the world , I am very much pro-EU and i dont see us moving forward into the EU as much of England i belive is not so much for the single currency and many other issues , and i have a great deal of respect for their views. I would be loath us forcing something on england , northern irland and wales as much as much as i dislike policy that is against the views we have as a people.
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Perhaps i should be quiet i dont fancy another "Bya of Pgis" invasion by a bunch of angry Plagerists(MXS Are plagerists..)
We can do it im sure , It just takes us infroming our family and freinds and persuading them that it is a dangeour to our rights . . ..us . . ,even if victory for them is inevatable , then i and hopefully many others will not make it easy for them. ,stranger things have happend
Im not talking just the USA im talking the whole world
This in essence is a tech problem and who do they come to when they have a tech problem
I didnt mean to sound rude i apoligise for that , I just think we can fight it
I will continue to opose it till the bitter end
Perhaps we can succed
If they want to sue this man for slander , well then they can also sue me for libel. From what i have just read it is fairly aparent that the *cough* makers*cough*/gpl-violaters of chery OS have done it again and are trying to abuse the gpl once more .
.Anyone buying your products should realise this and realise that they are funding an organisation with no ethics and a dubious reputation . .
..... .
To MXS
To me your company (MXS) is nothing but a bunch of liers and plagerists
If i am wrong and your honest(which i doubt) then i apoligise but from what ive seen today just shows more evidence that you should be taken to court for this
Your Sincerly
Fidel-catsro(A.K.A G.T.K)
If they want to take Drunkenbatman to court then i say we all join in and acuse them and see who far they get trying to take us all to court
I havn't had time to fully read overevery last bit of his findings (fairly lengthy read and rather well done) but from what i have seen it looks like they didn't learn the first time.
I actualy got an ipod because of the quality of the machine and later occasionaly used itunes for some thins that i couldnt really get here. Most of my collection is mp3s i ripped from my own CDs and some vinlys so it worked out great for me .
My only complaint with the iPod is the lack of OGG support but that isn't too important for me as i don't belive mp3 is a restricted format here and i have the lame encoder. I really dont see why apple should be forced to start supporting another companys DRM format and by the nature of DRM(which i really dislike as a concept) it is comercial so any company wishing to use apples DRM in their player would have to pay royalties to apple or vice versa. Its a whole rather silly mess anyway all these variants of DRM not to mention DRM being a messy affair anyway
"DRM is the future, you can't stop it."
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That is the exact attitude that will mean it is the future and it is unstopable . If we all realise that if we stop buying the DRM restricted stuff fairly soon it will disapear
The only reason its gaining ground is because alot of people are just sitting back and accepting it as an inevatabilite
Yahoo introduces competitor for Napster , as the main itunes crowd will be using it on a mac or windows with an iPod .
However this is in direct competition with napster who offer bassicaly the same service for more money
I do like the GPL though i see it as the copyleft ideal .
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on the main issue
What strikes me is that some people assume because i dont like copyright i wouldnt pay for music(etc) if there was non , I would
You see the way i look at it is that people will still buy stuff , and if they dont they will find that some artist may stop producing work
At which point people those who didnt want to contribute(by buying things and funding the artist) will realise that its a good thing to help pay their way and may start to buy there music/books/films to support the continuation of the work.
I find it disheartening that people have so little faith left in this . I buy my copys of linux on CD as i like to support the continuations of the works.
I donate to a few projects aswell.
This is the way i belive it should be , don't know if it will work . but i have some hope that people will see it this way too eventualy
just because something dosn't have to cost you money dosn't mean you don't want to contribute.
Hope that clears a few bits up on my views
Probably should of expanded on that one a tiny bit.
,but i don't mind being a little outspoken.
Yes i do belive there should be no copyright laws , but no i dont think it would currently work(yet , long story short i belive in utopian ideals).Though i would like to see them laxed and perhaps given a new name such as comercial-rights.
I would like something set to ensure that the creator of the work is always credited(unless they dont want to be).
Yes i do belive there should be restriction on sale of others work unless its granted.
No i do not belive in the restrictions of peoples rights to share ideas , music and info so long as it is not for profit.
Before anyone says it , no i don't break my countrys copyright laws , i am opposed to them but they are still laws right now.
I assume i will see loads of posts insulting me for holding these views
Well if i do ever write something it would be under the creative commens license (copyleft).
To awnser your question on work , well I am an IT Director(by title) and Systems Admin(by trade) so yes i have worked more than a single day in my life.
I don't want any form of copyright laws .
Your right im confusing my paraphrases here . I should of double checked that one
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Holy dog Sh*T. Microsoft? Only steers and XPers come from Microsoft, Private Ballmer. And you don't look much like a steer to me so that kinda narrows it down. Do you suck at *Nix?
No but they add up to a great party and a free gift to celebrate the completion of a job well done ,that you would of perhaps done for nothing anyway had you known about it . . .for example in romania the average monthly wage is about 265.03 euro/US$353.70.(source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/Romania) so an 100 USD insentive is a rather nice bonus , and 500 for a larger project(limewire as the example) is nearly 2 months average wage
Its more a nice congratulatory thing rather than something you do to pay your way
Also come to think about it , in some parts of the world these rewards are a rather hefty insentive
Darth Vader: You may take Limewire to Jabber for chat after I have Skywalker.
Boba Fett: He's no good to me non complient.
Darth Vader: He will not be permanently proprietery.
Really brings a smile to my face that does . .
;)
Social networks for everyone as opposed to the old boys clubs
Perhaps i wont need to join the massons to have my say afterall
the name is an anagram of " Im code Lie Hell" fitting dont you think
To paraphrase Full metal jacket..
There are only two types of OS names from microsoft!
Steers and XPers.
Which are you son?
I personaly wrote a few of the advertisers , i have no doubt it probably did very little to aid the cause , Considering how fast this hapend. .
,So long as they realise they they themselves were never the sole hero .
.
.Every single person who posted a comment on this , everyone who wrote a letter , everyone who did anything to try and get this woman fired for her actions helped. You all should feel proud.
All i hoped for was to bring it to the light of the advertisers if anything
Everyone who did anything to help should be proud they took a stand
It was most likely a combination of things , The editors threatening a walk out , outrageous bad press on slashdot and other sites, the fact the articals were pretty much actionable and so on.
It may be a bit cheesy but there is still alot of truth the "Every vote counts " meme . If more people belived in it then it is one of those things that does grow in strentgh when you belive as you yourself get off your chair and do something about it
I totaly agree with you it was most likely the Horrible PR and the advertisers noticing , but i disagree with your sentiment that people shouldnt congratualte themselves for aiding things here
Perhaps im just a soppy left wing liberal with a bit too strong a belife in the power of the people . Who knows though
I also wrote a few of those advertisers saying I and my company would be blacklisting their products and services ,and told them why. .
Havn't got any response but i know a few others did write aswell
The advertisers may be the only important thing to them , but were the important thing to the advertisers.
I imported mine from lik-sang.com , There are a fair few on ebay aswell although since the announcment of the EU pricing for some odd(as in obvious sarcasm) reason now the PSP imports have gone up in price .
.Although i had heard they are making inroads as to API development for the psp and mapping out things . .
I did try it on 1.5 and it just dosnt apear unfortunatly
Intrestingly i am quite suprised sony hasnt released some form of API itself for this type of thing
I am fairly sure it would garner then some great PR ammongst us geeks and hakers.
I know were not likely a main target audiance , but we are the folks who family and freinds come to when asking for some tech advice.
I currently have version 1.5 from japan (installed when i got it) .
Is there any info on the progress of the version for Firm-ware 1.5 atall
I know most shipped now are comming with 1.5 I will give it a try on 1.5 see what hapens though .
Im not a football fan either , but dammed if its hard not to have an opinion on the old firm , you know i think it probably may benefit scottish football as a sport to get rid of those two . ;) , though i did play rugby ) Maybe more scottish players would get recognition and it would become less distrubingly hollwoodised as it is now with stupid multi million contracts for a bunch of men playing wie their balls
Encourage growth in the littler teams and have more intresting competition.
It would become less bussines like and more about the game(my granda is a hugh football fan , i am a geek and thus hate it
Imigration always will be an eggshell issue .
.Though i belive that within the EU we have more power to influence and turn it away from the beurocratic ways and start to make it mroe democratic
.though this is why i want a single world currency i see the euro as a good way towards that , and why shouldnt we give it a try . If in the end your right there is not much stopping us from voting it out or renmaing it the UKEU and spliting it from the rest of the Euro ;) yeah the thing about hadrians wall was , we wernt actualy trying to scare the romans , all we were doing was shouting after them "DE YE WANT SOME HAGIS" , unfortunatly they took this to mean that we had dragons and were going to lob their heads off and so they made hadrians wall
,it devolves hardly any of the things that should have been devolved , there is no doubt we have a strong economy inn the end (may be dodgy at first but will grow), The sun is full of tripe so honestly dont hold too much ground in it .
.That and blair wouldnt grant us those reforms to start building the wind and tidal generators which could be an emmense revenue source as well as a way to help the enviroment
Europe:Having lived in germany for a few years now , in the north east i see many simmilar needs to the needs i see in Scottland though truthfully not the UK as a hole so you may have a point there when you say the rest of the UK may not benifit
the Euro: well the inflation rate and infact world currencys have always been a total mess , Infact the gold standerd is insanely corupt and speculation is a mena ce
The whole scottish parlimentry thing is a mess right now
We do get subsidised but then we do provide alot of oil money which gets moved away from the areas it should benifit not to mention the research institutes.so it works both ways
I differ on a few things to you , i am very much an idealist and a globalist. ;) i dislike blair for the Bush relation , but i difer on your reasons for Disliking him on europe .I think he is far far too anti europe hee
.they should be treated as equal members of our society and not given any special dispensation either postive or negative.
;) i live in germany right now and am very much strong european integration and a single european currency.
... Shudder ..blair should have been impeached for some of the stuff he did
So i strongly belive in EU integration
for me it would work like this
Benefits , too often people who really need help dont recive it and those with real problems get no help , though i agree others get too much.
Imigration , The more the merryer
Europe , I am a globalist
Bush/blair
It takes difrent folks to make up a parlimentery system. The oposing view points help to secure the will of the people so long as it dosn't turn partiasan and voting on the company/party line (remove party whips for example would help)
The pro EU sentiment is one of the things i see as a reason for scottish independance , as i know alot of you folks down south(well north west hee of me)
are less pro EU I wouldnt like us forcing our pro-EU sentiment upon you as im sure you feel the same in the reverse.
Indeed i have much respect for that view , But as you can probably see im on the other side of the coin . .
.Yep im pretty much a globalist at heart
.The reality will hit and i know some of them have clearly defined policys for after independance but others are just still dreamy .
I do infact belive we could have a strong economy as an EU nation state , a member of the commenwealth , and what i would like to think we could still keep many of the benifits of the Union just less of the disadvantages
Its all as i see it just a step in the develoution to independant state nations withing the EU and eventualy the UN as a proper gouverning body representing faily all peoples of the world
As im sure you can recognise the SNP are very much still in heady days of idealism
I do strongly belive it could work and that we would benifit , but this will have to wait till later to either prove or disprove .
Some of us do take it a bit far .Infact thats what i really making a joke about . .
Personaly i dont see myself as brittish never have . I dont get angry about it though when someone say it . It dosn't even come close to defining my pro SNP sentiment.
My nationalism stems from wanting to have our voices heard more clearly within Europe and the world , I am very much pro-EU and i dont see us moving forward into the EU as much of England i belive is not so much for the single currency and many other issues , and i have a great deal of respect for their views
I would be loath us forcing something on england , northern irland and wales as much as much as i dislike policy that is against the views we have as a people.