I was actually thinking about this a few weeks ago. I got the idea in my head that I might want to join the peace corp, but when I did some research, it seemed like all they were doing was teaching people how to build lakes and fish more efficiently. Not that they arn't useful skills, but it's not where my strength lies. I would jump at the chance to go and help with computer related endevors. Perhaps the Peace Corp could work this out? I'd love the experience.
ok, I promised myself i wouldn't respond to this troll, but then i scrolled back up. Maybe if there wasn't this kind of playing, there wouldn't be a linux kernel. I don't know you, but if I was to guess from your post, you've never discovered a cool trick, or a neat hack from playing with code. While this hack might not be the most profitable in the long run, I don't see a reason to say that it should not have happend, and that the kernel developers who did it should have kept their noses to the grind stone. Maybe I'm wrong...
>The average joe is usually atleast 2-3 years behind the curve technologicly, while businesses are much closer.
Except when companies like Dell, Compaq, and HP force it upon new customers. How long after WinME came out did the big 3 start shipping it? The same day, I'd wager. People will use whatever comes on their computers, and it's the bottom line, sad as it is.
Maybe I'm all by myself on this one, but I don't mind targeted advertising. I realize that it can have some really bad results when used incorrectly, but so can nuclear power, and I support that too.
The convenience of being presented with ads that interest me outweigh the threat that someone will find out what shows I watch, and what times. I know it's alot more involved than that, but for me personally I think it's not a bad thing. I remember buying Computer Shopper back when it was 1/3 of a tree, and I didn't get it for the articles.
I agree it isn't a good thing for everyone, but from my view, it's not the big-brother-fear-inducing move that it might be viewed as. Save that fear for what deserves it.
I don't think the problem is really that it's coming from Microsoft. The problem is that it alters a webpage from the way it's author intended it. I've written some nice HTML before, and I've been very proud of the way it looked. I don't want some CLIENT altering the look of it. Especially if it's altering (or providing alternatives to the presented data).
I can just imagine going to consumer reports, and reading a bad review of something a Microsoft company produced, and being presented with a link to a more favorable report. It's just not kosher.
I have to say that I support these guys, and I feel for them. I, too, have been kicked out of a MS party for handing out free software.
A group of friends and I (about 12 of us total) made sure we got invited to the Win2k release party in Columbus, OH. Once our invites were secure, I got in touch with some people that work at cheapbytes.com (awesome place) and overnighted a 100 CD spindle for a very nice discount (I think I explained what they were for).
We walked into the expo center, scooped up all the free "gifts" we could, ate lunch on Microsoft, then proceeded to the AntiPiracy booth (don't think irony was lost on us...how can you pirate Freesoftware?), stacked the CDs up, and watched them fly. We were happy to explain to anyone who asked what they were there for, what Linux was, and in general promote the use of the OS. For a little while. Then, the Microsoftie lady came over and proceeded to escourt us out of there. We could have resisted, but we didn't.
I've often wondered about that day. What happened to all the discs we handed out...were they in use, are they coasters? What would have happened if we would have fought back, and made a scene? We wern't too keen on the idea of a lawsuit, but I just wonder. All in all I enjoyed the party...I even got a nifty Magic-Motion card out of it.
It's a verrry bad move for AOL, because in doing so they are exposing themselves to the "I hate XP and therefore I hate AOL" mentality. Childish if you ask me, but then we're talking about the general public.
Really, though, when you think about it...what group of people are most likely to say "I hate XP"? Now, isn't that the group most likely not to use AOL in the first place?
Conversly, arn't the people that are most likely to roll over and take what Microsoft gives them also more likely to just accept that AOL is part of their "computer experience".
I'm not necessarily calling the average computer user stupid, just...inexperienced. Nieve is more like it. They don't know any better, so they get taken advantage of by computer companies. Microsoft and AOL arn't the only ones, but they are the biggest.
So is it a bad move by AOL? Probably not. AOL has proved that it doesn't value customer retention half as much as it values new customers. If it did, we wouldn't use AOL CDs like Legos. By the time these users "graduate" to MSN, there will be a whole new set of nieve users to fill their coffers.
I'm not a GNU zealot, or generally outspoken in the Freesoftware movement. I use Linux almost exclusivly, and urge others to at least try it. I say this only so you know my background, and that I'm not a zealot OR biggot.
I'm really against this. Free Software should be just that. Free. If I get a piece of free software, I expect the source code to be there, so I can go through, and change things to work better for me. I also expect the ability to change it enough to run on my systems.
Maybe I'm wrong, and expecting too much. Maybe I, as an end user, shouldn't expect this kind of freedom, but if something's labeled as free software, this is what I expect. A license that says I can modify it, and use it to suit my needs.
In my opinion, free software should not be restricted by what you use it in conjunction with. If I want to port vi to BeOS, I should be allowed to. And if you think that this is going to start and stop with Windows, you are wrong. How big of a change would it to be to say that I can't open a.jpg I made with the Gimp in Paint Shop? That I can't use an open-source driver to power a proprietary device?
There should be restrictions on open sourced programs, but I think these restrictions should be
to protect the user, not restrict him.
Don't make money off someone else's free software, and don't tell me how to use it.
Picture this...
The kernel hacker summit begins, with a beautiful starlit night (hackers would never be caught hacking in bright sunlight). Hackers are absorbing caffiene, discussing better ways to manage memory, more efficient uses for resources and so forth...
Fade to Redmond. [Wide shot of the Microsoft campus] Lightning bolts, thunder and rain abound. Bill Gates is on his throne, stroaking his Evil Goatee(tm). As he pets his cat, he mutters..."Yes, this is my chance..." With a quick decisive action, he calls up his satelite targeting system...aims it at the hacker conference...presses the button, and *BLAM* Blue Screen of Death. Just at that time, our heroes stumble into the room. Scoobie Doo rolls into Bill Gates, knocking him down, and he's pinned under Scooby. "Curses!!!", Bill cries. Fred and Daphne walk up to Bill, and pull off his mask. It's Old Mr. Withers, the curator at the local museum! "I had a good scam going, and I would have got away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids, and that mangy mutt!"
Well, that, and the fact that I think Microsoft has realized that it's not infallible like everyone once thought it did. It knows that it's not immortal anymore (contradiction?). Anyway, if my guess is right, we'll see more and more of it trying small, underhanded ways to make more money, instead of big, giant underhanded ways.
The wireless internet company that I work for has had the entire city of Vienna, WV saturated with internet access for the last year. You can visit the web site or our parent company. It's good that colleges are starting to use this technology, but it's not as groundbreaking as it sounds. We've had our service trucks and police cars wired with no problems for quite a while now.
This has been said so many times before, and everyone seems to agree, but no one does anything about it. The weakest part of the chain is invariably the human factors. The oft-cited example of people putting sticky-notes with their passwords on their moniters is sadly enough true way too many times. Or using personal information as a password. Or using the same password everywhere.
You have to assume distrust with sensitive information. One place i used to work at was compromised, not because of weak passwords, but because the network was sniffed and they wern't using SSL.
I would be willing to bet that the intrusion into Microsoft wasn't a flaw in their web server, or any other program misconfigured. I would bet it was some kind VPN account that was compromised.
Until people come to terms with the fact that you can't always trust the people you should be able to, things like this will continue to happen.
Well, it's rough, but I can swollow a little bit of pride for the bonus $$$ I get for selling MSN.
Besides, it's not that bad I get to play with toys alot...
I work at RadioShack, and we've actually been offering this quite a bit for the people that couldn't get DSL access. We arn't selling it individually yet. It's only with the purchase of a new Compaq. MS plans on selling access on it's own later, but till then, I'll settle for dialup.
BTW, just cause I sell it doesn't mean I like it...
Perhaps you should rethink your unlimited choice...
Really, I mean...Do you honestly want to go visit a spacestation that has a (quite active) history of catching on fire? I'd settle for a shuttle mission, or a flight in a Blackbird...but Mir???
That makes me wonder about the upcoming "Real Life" show..oh well....
it's amazing what people would rather have than money...
Well, I, for one, know when *I* think of supercooling something, the first thing I reach for is LN2. heh. Ever since DuPont brought thier chemists into my elementary school gymnasium, and froze things in LN2, then shattered them on the floor, I've been fascinated. The movie where Wesley Snipes gets frozen then shattered in the end didn't help matters. heh.
Good luck to this guy. He does some interesting work, and while LN2 won't be on EVERYONE's overclocking list, I'm looking forward to seeing what this guy can do in the future.
This is something that I've always thought would be cool. SimCity, but like Ultima Online or something. Intercity trade relations and things of that nature. I'd buy it and subscribe, anyway.
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I was actually thinking about this a few weeks ago. I got the idea in my head that I might want to join the peace corp, but when I did some research, it seemed like all they were doing was teaching people how to build lakes and fish more efficiently. Not that they arn't useful skills, but it's not where my strength lies. I would jump at the chance to go and help with computer related endevors. Perhaps the Peace Corp could work this out? I'd love the experience.
ok, I promised myself i wouldn't respond to this troll, but then i scrolled back up. Maybe if there wasn't this kind of playing, there wouldn't be a linux kernel. I don't know you, but if I was to guess from your post, you've never discovered a cool trick, or a neat hack from playing with code. While this hack might not be the most profitable in the long run, I don't see a reason to say that it should not have happend, and that the kernel developers who did it should have kept their noses to the grind stone. Maybe I'm wrong...
>The average joe is usually atleast 2-3 years behind the curve technologicly, while businesses are much closer.
Except when companies like Dell, Compaq, and HP force it upon new customers. How long after WinME came out did the big 3 start shipping it? The same day, I'd wager. People will use whatever comes on their computers, and it's the bottom line, sad as it is.
Depends on how much you like mopping...
Suprisingly I'm getting 60k. I wasn't going to say anything, so now I've probably jinxed it. DAMN! lol...
Enjoy
Dear God I wish I had mod points...
Maybe I'm all by myself on this one, but I don't mind targeted advertising. I realize that it can have some really bad results when used incorrectly, but so can nuclear power, and I support that too.
The convenience of being presented with ads that interest me outweigh the threat that someone will find out what shows I watch, and what times. I know it's alot more involved than that, but for me personally I think it's not a bad thing. I remember buying Computer Shopper back when it was 1/3 of a tree, and I didn't get it for the articles.
I agree it isn't a good thing for everyone, but from my view, it's not the big-brother-fear-inducing move that it might be viewed as. Save that fear for what deserves it.
I don't think the problem is really that it's coming from Microsoft. The problem is that it alters a webpage from the way it's author intended it. I've written some nice HTML before, and I've been very proud of the way it looked. I don't want some CLIENT altering the look of it. Especially if it's altering (or providing alternatives to the presented data).
I can just imagine going to consumer reports, and reading a bad review of something a Microsoft company produced, and being presented with a link to a more favorable report. It's just not kosher.
A group of friends and I (about 12 of us total) made sure we got invited to the Win2k release party in Columbus, OH. Once our invites were secure, I got in touch with some people that work at cheapbytes.com (awesome place) and overnighted a 100 CD spindle for a very nice discount (I think I explained what they were for).
We walked into the expo center, scooped up all the free "gifts" we could, ate lunch on Microsoft, then proceeded to the AntiPiracy booth (don't think irony was lost on us...how can you pirate Freesoftware?), stacked the CDs up, and watched them fly. We were happy to explain to anyone who asked what they were there for, what Linux was, and in general promote the use of the OS. For a little while. Then, the Microsoftie lady came over and proceeded to escourt us out of there. We could have resisted, but we didn't.
I've often wondered about that day. What happened to all the discs we handed out...were they in use, are they coasters? What would have happened if we would have fought back, and made a scene? We wern't too keen on the idea of a lawsuit, but I just wonder. All in all I enjoyed the party...I even got a nifty Magic-Motion card out of it.
Really, though, when you think about it...what group of people are most likely to say "I hate XP"? Now, isn't that the group most likely not to use AOL in the first place?
Conversly, arn't the people that are most likely to roll over and take what Microsoft gives them also more likely to just accept that AOL is part of their "computer experience".
I'm not necessarily calling the average computer user stupid, just...inexperienced. Nieve is more like it. They don't know any better, so they get taken advantage of by computer companies. Microsoft and AOL arn't the only ones, but they are the biggest.
So is it a bad move by AOL? Probably not. AOL has proved that it doesn't value customer retention half as much as it values new customers. If it did, we wouldn't use AOL CDs like Legos. By the time these users "graduate" to MSN, there will be a whole new set of nieve users to fill their coffers.
Relax. This only applies only to the RF keyboard models. The IR models arn't succeptable.
I DARE someone to sniff my IR communications from hundreds of yards...
I'm not a GNU zealot, or generally outspoken in the Freesoftware movement. I use Linux almost exclusivly, and urge others to at least try it. I say this only so you know my background, and that I'm not a zealot OR biggot.
.jpg I made with the Gimp in Paint Shop? That I can't use an open-source driver to power a proprietary device?
I'm really against this. Free Software should be just that. Free. If I get a piece of free software, I expect the source code to be there, so I can go through, and change things to work better for me. I also expect the ability to change it enough to run on my systems.
Maybe I'm wrong, and expecting too much. Maybe I, as an end user, shouldn't expect this kind of freedom, but if something's labeled as free software, this is what I expect. A license that says I can modify it, and use it to suit my needs.
In my opinion, free software should not be restricted by what you use it in conjunction with. If I want to port vi to BeOS, I should be allowed to. And if you think that this is going to start and stop with Windows, you are wrong. How big of a change would it to be to say that I can't open a
There should be restrictions on open sourced programs, but I think these restrictions should be
to protect the user, not restrict him.
Don't make money off someone else's free software, and don't tell me how to use it.
I think I'd have to disagree that no application will ever require a P4....
Death, taxes, and bloatware...
Has this stopped us from doing it TO humans???
Picture this...
The kernel hacker summit begins, with a beautiful starlit night (hackers would never be caught hacking in bright sunlight). Hackers are absorbing caffiene, discussing better ways to manage memory, more efficient uses for resources and so forth...
Fade to Redmond. [Wide shot of the Microsoft campus] Lightning bolts, thunder and rain abound. Bill Gates is on his throne, stroaking his Evil Goatee(tm). As he pets his cat, he mutters..."Yes, this is my chance..." With a quick decisive action, he calls up his satelite targeting system...aims it at the hacker conference...presses the button, and *BLAM* Blue Screen of Death. Just at that time, our heroes stumble into the room. Scoobie Doo rolls into Bill Gates, knocking him down, and he's pinned under Scooby. "Curses!!!", Bill cries. Fred and Daphne walk up to Bill, and pull off his mask. It's Old Mr. Withers, the curator at the local museum! "I had a good scam going, and I would have got away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids, and that mangy mutt!"
Well, that, and the fact that I think Microsoft has realized that it's not infallible like everyone once thought it did. It knows that it's not immortal anymore (contradiction?). Anyway, if my guess is right, we'll see more and more of it trying small, underhanded ways to make more money, instead of big, giant underhanded ways.
The wireless internet company that I work for has had the entire city of Vienna, WV saturated with internet access for the last year. You can visit the web site or our parent company. It's good that colleges are starting to use this technology, but it's not as groundbreaking as it sounds. We've had our service trucks and police cars wired with no problems for quite a while now.
ummm...just a question...
:)
wouldn't Double-ROT13 be plaintext?
13+13=26???
...moderate me down, I just couldn't help myself
This has been said so many times before, and everyone seems to agree, but no one does anything about it. The weakest part of the chain is invariably the human factors. The oft-cited example of people putting sticky-notes with their passwords on their moniters is sadly enough true way too many times. Or using personal information as a password. Or using the same password everywhere.
You have to assume distrust with sensitive information. One place i used to work at was compromised, not because of weak passwords, but because the network was sniffed and they wern't using SSL.
I would be willing to bet that the intrusion into Microsoft wasn't a flaw in their web server, or any other program misconfigured. I would bet it was some kind VPN account that was compromised.
Until people come to terms with the fact that you can't always trust the people you should be able to, things like this will continue to happen.
Well, it's rough, but I can swollow a little bit of pride for the bonus $$$ I get for selling MSN.
Besides, it's not that bad I get to play with toys alot...
I work at RadioShack, and we've actually been offering this quite a bit for the people that couldn't get DSL access. We arn't selling it individually yet. It's only with the purchase of a new Compaq. MS plans on selling access on it's own later, but till then, I'll settle for dialup.
BTW, just cause I sell it doesn't mean I like it...
Perhaps you should rethink your unlimited choice...
Really, I mean...Do you honestly want to go visit a spacestation that has a (quite active) history of catching on fire? I'd settle for a shuttle mission, or a flight in a Blackbird...but Mir???
That makes me wonder about the upcoming "Real Life" show..oh well....
it's amazing what people would rather have than money...
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> plus unix-style documentation
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Why, God? Why?
*sob*
Well, I, for one, know when *I* think of supercooling something, the first thing I reach for is LN2. heh. Ever since DuPont brought thier chemists into my elementary school gymnasium, and froze things in LN2, then shattered them on the floor, I've been fascinated. The movie where Wesley Snipes gets frozen then shattered in the end didn't help matters. heh.
Good luck to this guy. He does some interesting work, and while LN2 won't be on EVERYONE's overclocking list, I'm looking forward to seeing what this guy can do in the future.
This is something that I've always thought would be cool. SimCity, but like Ultima Online or something. Intercity trade relations and things of that nature. I'd buy it and subscribe, anyway.