The iPhone isn't even a smartphone... aside from the fact that Apple will obviously use its own OS, why the hell would the fact that the iPhone doesn't use Symbian be counted as "evidence" that Symbian is not doing well? Imagine it was really running Symbian, imagine its ($600+) owners go to sites like Handango.com and find out they are the only Symbian owners who can't install third party software.
It is same deal for J2ME too, Java is non existent with some amazing quotes from SJobs such as nobody wants Java.:)
Symbian runs on 100 million devices BTW (Nov. 2006)
Motorola has never succeeded on Smartphone kind of devices and they blamed Symbian for it? Big news.
Motorola didn't decide on Linux exclusively, they are one of the companies who ships Windows devices in iPhone segment.
I think we should blame DECS (Story submitter) and I don't want to be harsh to Roughlydrafted personal blog but.. There are many very credible sites and they are run by professionals who would have word about an upcoming locked phone claims to be smartphone. I'd want to hear Psiloc or Opera Inc. lead coders words on Symbian problems, not some anonymous Apple fans who would pre-order the iPhone right now.
I agree to Symbian signed stuff is very stupid, especially it is not free even for opensource freeware but everyone owning a S60 really know to ignore security warnings while installing such software from trusted sources. The deal with iPhone? There won't be any kind of such genius "FExplorer" type ( http://www.gosymbian.com/FE_screenshots.html ) third party utilities so you won't get any "warning" problem of course:)
For me, the decision is simple. I won't buy iPhone since I got paid J2ME software and especially my bank uses J2ME app for pseudo-random password generators. One day I may decide to be a total OS X Geek and may use J2ME SSH Apps too.
I understand Apple's philosophy designing the phone and trying to lock it but I don't agree with it. Understanding doesn't make me defend it like a real smartphone.
Another thing about the Gmail support. I got a SonyEricsson K700i phone now, it doesn't claim to be "smart" by any measure. One day when I need to access my IMAP mail exclusively from phone, I won't use the built in IMAP client which is not so advanced, I will go to a J2ME site and find a J2ME 2.0 commercial client. Now, can you do it on iPhone?
As a non American, I have no problems with Mormons since they didn't sue anyone for joking, they didn't troll the Usenet with their beliefs and legal threats, we see an IT company which was never questioned for their practices (except stupid msft deal).
Also as I know how cults, especially the ones deeply involved in money/politics work, posting them the truth or making 100s of South Park episodes, setting thousands of Xenu.net won't work.
I'd say you have Netscape.net mail account but it is not the deal anymore, Netscape.net merged to AIM mail and AIM is open as IMAP server now. For AIM client, AOL official clients are far more better I think.
Don't forget XScreensaver and he is much more social/responsive guy compared to some people at that degree.
Also one of the interesting things is, his club runs OSS (as much as possible) and he shares the stuff as well as "Club" is much more like an open source project, even deepest details including how to get a license for club is shared as well as the software source making some stuff run.
I try to install anything in Windows ME and it doesn't work right... I remember there were at least one Virus or security exploit failing to work on Windows ME which people joked "It can't even run viruses"
Whatever we "experienced" users say, there are still people sticking with Netscape branded browser and some have actual reasons for it, e.g. they aren't "stupid".
I even spared time to send a feedback to Netscape 7.2 page at Versiontracker to use "Seamonkey" but I don't think it was effective at all.
So, it is good news for them to finally get Update, especially for OS X users who insists staying with Netscape brand,whether it means Netscape 7.2 or not.
If AOL finally woke up really, they should make huge donation, help and stick with Camino on OS X since it is a native Cocoa Application using Gecko.
Also there should be ZERO third party bundles with Netscape, you know what I mean.
There is a iTunes wreckage story on frontpage today, just check the comments. People still doesn't believe MS could be -that- evil and shameless to break competitors product on purpose.
Yes they can be and they are. Careful dealing with them.
Also there is currently a story that BBC will lock down the potential big business, "on demand paid downloads" to Windows. Again, if you mention an exclusive agreement which they did with MSFT just months ago, you will be labelled conspiracy theorist. Risking to go off-topic, here is the deal, I wonder will we read it in Slashdot "new mails leaked" story some years later? http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/2/2 /6872
If they (the official site) was wise enough to package all files as a torrent file, they would enjoy free bandwidth and users could enjoy a searchable evil pdf collection. OS X got Spotlight and I heard Linux/BSD/Windows has similar tools available.
Currently people browse a huge collection of PDFs by pointing and clicking, it is crazy IMHO.
For the record, I would never buy an iPod unless they invent a massive new thing. So, I am an Apple user but not iPod fan. I don't "love" iTunes either, I don't like OS X coder companies chicken and don't release a true competitor which they would sell for $$$.
What makes me (and others) wonder is, the only, single media player breaks is the Apple Inc., a serious MS competitors product and especially its paid library.
If Winamp 5 and Realplayer (they got drm stores too) broke too, nobody would raise eyebrows.
I don't remember Windows XP, another massive launch had that much compared to OS X but it is not the deal anymore. Even at European media, everyone compares this billion dollar product to Apple OS X. It is really time to wonder these conspiracy theories.
So you claim Rob Malda, CmdrTaco getting "free powerbook" from Apple to post this story.
It is good to see the profile of MOAB supporters on Slashdot considering the fact that MOAB people aren't much different, they have somehow learned how to fuzz files, use gdb or use jp2 to freeze Safari on public pages.
These guys and organised trolls in name of professional developer houses could be one of the worst ones IT industry ever seen.
I don't recall any security "blog" freezing OS default browser to prove their 133t capabilities. I have also heard that jp2 issue is a year old bug which was never publicised for good reasons.
People who are close to Apple or at least know how company works said they won't rush out untested OS patches/updates just because some idiot file fuzzer (can crash the kernel via broken DMG. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzz_testing
In professional World, people already asks AVID, Adobe, Quark before applying any OS updates or they test it on test machine several days to make sure it won't break their work cycle.
I guess Slashdot joined some of major IT sites not giving any "advertisement" to MOAB trolls. For example, Slashdot could publicise these idiots having inline jp2 which will make Safari which is a TABBED browser freeze, other script kiddies may link it as their homepage on some zealot fighting sites such as Digg.
BTW it didn't "try" to crash Safari, the default/preinstalled browser of an operating system, a tabbed browser. It actually froze it. It is again, not a security issue but could be a good troll tool.
IMHO if nobody has seen true face of these idiots, they should have seen on day 29.
ps: That JP2 is bad for OS X Finder too, don't keep it in your disk or don't browse that folder with Finder/Path Finder,whatever uses Kakadu jp2 lib.
Did Sony back HDMI and HDCP? If so, then damn right they are to blame. Blaming a TV manufacturer for incorrectly implementing a standard that doesn't serve any useful purpose seems to ignore the real problem here. While they brag like "HD Ready" on stickers/adverts, they are claiming full HDMI/HDCP support, e.g. "you will have no problems with HD devices outputting HDCP content over HDMI".
If it is _only_ happening on Westinghouse, that TV is problematic and they should change them. What happens if same person buys a $200 Blu-Ray, HD-DVD (will happen) in future?
In fact, the "HD Displays" generally have service upgradable firmwares, I guess this is the exact reason why.
I think this would be right place to post this new information. Our leader, Mr. Jobs claims nobody wants Java on devices and of course, this thing which claims to be 5 years ahead does not come with J2ME (yes,forget desktop) capability.
I wanted to post here before story gets archived since Slashdot gets the blame each time another freak announcement appears on main page.
Lets hope nothing happens to Apple desktop/portable because of this "Thing" and decisions like that. I am old enough to remember Amiga's game console adventures and what happened later.
You dont see IBM giving away their AIX operating system for free, do you? Doesn't matter, nobody'd take it anyway... Seriously, AIX feels like System V was translated to Japanese, went through a generation or two of development, then was translated into English again. It's got some nice features (the first Unix I used with an LVM, lo these many years ago), but it's...I dunno, got an accent or something. It's just not right... It is just not right for anything which isn't enterprise or big iron. AIX is a mainframe centric OS.
Just like, Solaris will be better for scientists rather than admin people.
I got another idea. As MOAB trolls label every kernel crash (panic) done via file fuzzing "security issue", "exploit", Apple doesn't want them to come up with "OpenGL exploit" the next day?
I know I am being a bit paranoid here but we are speaking about people who has zero ethics and major hate against Apple (users) here.
If I was the story submitter, I wouldn't bother with forums. I'd report via http://bugreporter.apple.com/ , they are very nice and responsive people. If I wondered if such issue is general and not a rumour, I'd hit Usenet (huge mac tree) or macfixit.com forums.
I was browsing web pages with Flash support on my Nokia 7650 Symbian (S60) phone and using it as remote control for my TV, set my profile based on cell information (Psiloc stuff) back in 2002 or something too.
USA was that backwards to get impressed with this thing or is it Apple fanatics all over?
They are even defending 3rd party software lock which even Nokia, the emperor on (real) Smart phones never dared to do.
Also no 3G means no purchases over air, even aac downlad will be horrible experience in 100-200 kbit speeds on high latency network.
What about over the air movies, TV series, Radio/TV streaming? We aren't speaking about Sci-fi, this thing already started in Europe and Japan, at least TV stations are streamed.
Besides WinCE, iPhone is the only device doesn't have Realplayer.
They claim it is a smartphone 5 years ahead and we can't install Opera browser to it. As Apple desktop owner , if this thing sells well, I think we should never expect anything good from Apple. Cult leader demos, members buy crap.
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It is same deal for J2ME too, Java is non existent with some amazing quotes from SJobs such as nobody wants Java.
Symbian runs on 100 million devices BTW (Nov. 2006)
Motorola has never succeeded on Smartphone kind of devices and they blamed Symbian for it? Big news.
:)
Motorola didn't decide on Linux exclusively, they are one of the companies who ships Windows devices in iPhone segment.
I think we should blame DECS (Story submitter) and I don't want to be harsh to Roughlydrafted personal blog but.. There are many very credible sites and they are run by professionals who would have word about an upcoming locked phone claims to be smartphone. I'd want to hear Psiloc or Opera Inc. lead coders words on Symbian problems, not some anonymous Apple fans who would pre-order the iPhone right now.
I agree to Symbian signed stuff is very stupid, especially it is not free even for opensource freeware but everyone owning a S60 really know to ignore security warnings while installing such software from trusted sources. The deal with iPhone? There won't be any kind of such genius "FExplorer" type ( http://www.gosymbian.com/FE_screenshots.html ) third party utilities so you won't get any "warning" problem of course
You can get third party IMAP client with better support from various Symbian sites, I believe there are some opensource ones too.
That is the one exact thing you won't able to do with iPhone.
Hope people defending vendor/network locked phones like iPhone reads your messages.
I see thousands of third party software including some Google Earth like stuff at http://wwwgetjar.com/ and http://www.handango.com/
For me, the decision is simple. I won't buy iPhone since I got paid J2ME software and especially my bank uses J2ME app for pseudo-random password generators. One day I may decide to be a total OS X Geek and may use J2ME SSH Apps too.
I understand Apple's philosophy designing the phone and trying to lock it but I don't agree with it. Understanding doesn't make me defend it like a real smartphone.
Another thing about the Gmail support. I got a SonyEricsson K700i phone now, it doesn't claim to be "smart" by any measure. One day when I need to access my IMAP mail exclusively from phone, I won't use the built in IMAP client which is not so advanced, I will go to a J2ME site and find a J2ME 2.0 commercial client. Now, can you do it on iPhone?
As a non American, I have no problems with Mormons since they didn't sue anyone for joking, they didn't troll the Usenet with their beliefs and legal threats, we see an IT company which was never questioned for their practices (except stupid msft deal).
Also as I know how cults, especially the ones deeply involved in money/politics work, posting them the truth or making 100s of South Park episodes, setting thousands of Xenu.net won't work.
Guy is already brainwashed seriously.
I wonder what is wrong with Mozilla "Seamonkey"? Isn't it the exact same function/UI/Type of program just happens to have newer, better core parts?
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/
I'd say you have Netscape.net mail account but it is not the deal anymore, Netscape.net merged to AIM mail and AIM is open as IMAP server now. For AIM client, AOL official clients are far more better I think.
Don't forget XScreensaver and he is much more social/responsive guy compared to some people at that degree.
Also one of the interesting things is, his club runs OSS (as much as possible) and he shares the stuff as well as "Club" is much more like an open source project, even deepest details including how to get a license for club is shared as well as the software source making some stuff run.
http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/
Whatever we "experienced" users say, there are still people sticking with Netscape branded browser and some have actual reasons for it, e.g. they aren't "stupid".
I even spared time to send a feedback to Netscape 7.2 page at Versiontracker to use "Seamonkey" but I don't think it was effective at all.
So, it is good news for them to finally get Update, especially for OS X users who insists staying with Netscape brand,whether it means Netscape 7.2 or not.
If AOL finally woke up really, they should make huge donation, help and stick with Camino on OS X since it is a native Cocoa Application using Gecko.
Also there should be ZERO third party bundles with Netscape, you know what I mean.
There is a iTunes wreckage story on frontpage today, just check the comments. People still doesn't believe MS could be -that- evil and shameless to break competitors product on purpose.
2 /6872
Yes they can be and they are. Careful dealing with them.
Also there is currently a story that BBC will lock down the potential big business, "on demand paid downloads" to Windows. Again, if you mention an exclusive agreement which they did with MSFT just months ago, you will be labelled conspiracy theorist. Risking to go off-topic, here is the deal, I wonder will we read it in Slashdot "new mails leaked" story some years later?
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/2/
I mean the "real" story... Just like these.
If they (the official site) was wise enough to package all files as a torrent file, they would enjoy free bandwidth and users could enjoy a searchable evil pdf collection. OS X got Spotlight and I heard Linux/BSD/Windows has similar tools available.
Currently people browse a huge collection of PDFs by pointing and clicking, it is crazy IMHO.
For the record, I would never buy an iPod unless they invent a massive new thing. So, I am an Apple user but not iPod fan. I don't "love" iTunes either, I don't like OS X coder companies chicken and don't release a true competitor which they would sell for $$$.
What makes me (and others) wonder is, the only, single media player breaks is the Apple Inc., a serious MS competitors product and especially its paid library.
If Winamp 5 and Realplayer (they got drm stores too) broke too, nobody would raise eyebrows.
I don't remember Windows XP, another massive launch had that much compared to OS X but it is not the deal anymore. Even at European media, everyone compares this billion dollar product to Apple OS X. It is really time to wonder these conspiracy theories.
It can't be in the Wild because all of those required physical access to machine with ADMIN privileges.
Quote from a developer I won't name:
"if someone trying to hack your computer is seated at the computer, well, you have bigger problems, I think."
I guess it was only BillG in IT industry who took MOAB serious.
Lets think about the degree of the things an evil user can do with Windows admin account and mount volumes.
So you claim Rob Malda, CmdrTaco getting "free powerbook" from Apple to post this story.
It is good to see the profile of MOAB supporters on Slashdot considering the fact that MOAB people aren't much different, they have somehow learned how to fuzz files, use gdb or use jp2 to freeze Safari on public pages.
I think it would be also very bad to link to MOAB site to make people's Safari browser freeze with a tab having non submitted webmail waiting?
- 9D15-9B841876FEF1.html
http://www.isfym.com/site/blog/C65B4D05-6B0F-46AB
These guys and organised trolls in name of professional developer houses could be one of the worst ones IT industry ever seen.
I don't recall any security "blog" freezing OS default browser to prove their 133t capabilities. I have also heard that jp2 issue is a year old bug which was never publicised for good reasons.
People who are close to Apple or at least know how company works said they won't rush out untested OS patches/updates just because some idiot file fuzzer (can crash the kernel via broken DMG. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzz_testing
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In professional World, people already asks AVID, Adobe, Quark before applying any OS updates or they test it on test machine several days to make sure it won't break their work cycle.
I was only bugged about Quicktime issue (which was exploited at Myspace) and Apple released the update taking the issue serious. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,392
I guess Slashdot joined some of major IT sites not giving any "advertisement" to MOAB trolls. For example, Slashdot could publicise these idiots having inline jp2 which will make Safari which is a TABBED browser freeze, other script kiddies may link it as their homepage on some zealot fighting sites such as Digg.
BTW it didn't "try" to crash Safari, the default/preinstalled browser of an operating system, a tabbed browser. It actually froze it. It is again, not a security issue but could be a good troll tool.
IMHO if nobody has seen true face of these idiots, they should have seen on day 29.
ps: That JP2 is bad for OS X Finder too, don't keep it in your disk or don't browse that folder with Finder/Path Finder,whatever uses Kakadu jp2 lib.
If it is _only_ happening on Westinghouse, that TV is problematic and they should change them. What happens if same person buys a $200 Blu-Ray, HD-DVD (will happen) in future?
In fact, the "HD Displays" generally have service upgradable firmwares, I guess this is the exact reason why.
I was on Slackware Linux that time and of course "theme" was my big deal just like now with Shapeshifter.
I slightly remember seeing lots of flame posts over Apple bugging theme developers to stop using Aqua widgets.
Funny is, I pay to get rid of original Aqua on OS X now. Of course, thanks to underlying desktop technology making it possible/beatiful with Quartz.
I think this would be right place to post this new information. Our leader, Mr. Jobs claims nobody wants Java on devices and of course, this thing which claims to be 5 years ahead does not come with J2ME (yes,forget desktop) capability.
I wanted to post here before story gets archived since Slashdot gets the blame each time another freak announcement appears on main page.
There are 4 BILLION devices running Java btw.
Ed Burnette from ZDNet broke the story:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=238
Lets hope nothing happens to Apple desktop/portable because of this "Thing" and decisions like that. I am old enough to remember Amiga's game console adventures and what happened later.
Just like, Solaris will be better for scientists rather than admin people.
I got another idea. As MOAB trolls label every kernel crash (panic) done via file fuzzing "security issue", "exploit", Apple doesn't want them to come up with "OpenGL exploit" the next day?
I know I am being a bit paranoid here but we are speaking about people who has zero ethics and major hate against Apple (users) here.
If I was the story submitter, I wouldn't bother with forums. I'd report via http://bugreporter.apple.com/ , they are very nice and responsive people. If I wondered if such issue is general and not a rumour, I'd hit Usenet (huge mac tree) or macfixit.com forums.
I was browsing web pages with Flash support on my Nokia 7650 Symbian (S60) phone and using it as remote control for my TV, set my profile based on cell information (Psiloc stuff) back in 2002 or something too.
USA was that backwards to get impressed with this thing or is it Apple fanatics all over?
They are even defending 3rd party software lock which even Nokia, the emperor on (real) Smart phones never dared to do.
Also no 3G means no purchases over air, even aac downlad will be horrible experience in 100-200 kbit speeds on high latency network.
What about over the air movies, TV series, Radio/TV streaming? We aren't speaking about Sci-fi, this thing already started in Europe and Japan, at least TV stations are streamed.
Besides WinCE, iPhone is the only device doesn't have Realplayer.
They claim it is a smartphone 5 years ahead and we can't install Opera browser to it. As Apple desktop owner , if this thing sells well, I think we should never expect anything good from Apple. Cult leader demos, members buy crap.