A site offering only "F" doesn't give a f to users outside of USA.
Also, whatever they (Google) do, they have some sort of geek lawyers(!) to defend them. Whether they hurt peoples feelings or not. Like some sort of addict or something.
Google is a publicly traded company which makes millions and uses same tactics (cookies etc) as every company on earth does. Its not some sort of "net prophet" or anything. Did I miss anything sort of that?:)
Buy a second hand mac dual g4 with lots of ram, buy OS X panther, buy a cocoa handbook, install developer tools, code the program works better than iTunes and supports your device.
In which part Apple stops them?
People not using Mac as their only system can't understand how absurd those editorials are.
I got a OS X system, I buy original cds and yet there is not a SINGLE ALTERNATIVE ON OS X FOR iTUNES!
How can I respect any other company if they don't respect the computer of mine?
I am not developer or something but I can easily guess in next top rated MSFT download, you will also install.Net framework by your will.
E.g. directx team will find a excuse to dynamically link it to.NET framework in next version or maybe MS or one of their puppets will find very evil bug affecting every IE can be only fixed with XML x.x which needs.net to work. Etc. etc.
While predicting. After a certain point, like 100m downloads, one of minor releases of.net will have a bug affecting Sun Java causing crashes on system. MS will wait 3 months to fix it until everyone un install Java to play their favorite game which needs.net too. I bet that game will be launched by EA, not Blizzard.
I know they will execute us both for saying these but...
How come that "thing" is spyware? It has a clean page, no popups.
There is a huge embedded license agreement which is scrollable and user clicks "I agree" to download it
They serve something in sake of privacy. I am not even sure if privacy is compromised.
Kudos to original story submitter using "adware" instead of spyware. Spyware is something you install without being aware of. There is a huge license agreement on clean page and "I agree" switch.
Too late (early) here so sorry for not reading the article.
I think the "icons" she speaks about covers the dock too. In 10th of a second you can simply look at dock and see how many mails you have. Or.. The never surpassed drag and drop capabilities. For end users, they are "icons" too.
Don't rely on iSync page. If there is a way to do it (e.g. if you own laptop), test it yourself.
I am telling it since I own a 7650 which is "supported" by iSync. Apple says so. What Apple doesn't tell is, 7650 now (latest fw) uses the 3650 language for syncing data. It took me days finding that hint at osxhints.com. I basically replaced the 7650 resource with 3650, it worked.
If phone uses some sort of standard way syncing the data, it will be supported. Of course thats why it needs real test. E.g. run iSync with Z800 and see if it works.
They claim everything Java based and miraculously Java isn't dead, even growing while Sun exists.
There are advanced java powerhouses who make embedded jvm 1.1 (yes 1!) applets to stream video. Look at the streams they offer. Quicktime and Realmedia. Also very badly used quicktime and realmedia. (check my possibly -1 comment here:))
"Hellooooo!!! Real Networks is the company behind Real Video and Real Audio. Real Media is an internet advertising company!" and various "your post can't be understood" AC comments:
For me, the poor end user on internet ,.rm file is a realmedia file. I also installed realplayer since its 1.0 on every platform I used.
Also I love my.sig , its like a magnet for grammar nazis *g*
Replying to all super grammar guys, I am a foreigner working in my countries media since start of 90's and it really makes me mad when a guy getting paid by Sun, a company I really respect posts 450kbit plain CRAP (waste of data) because he was lazy to make 3 layer realmedia package file. 3 layers like:
1)The presentation imported from the original (powerpoint, staroffice, whatever) (over http) 2)The video layer which was timecoded in realvideo 10 3)The audio stuff encoded via speech optimised variant of realaudio g2 (not music!).
All this package? 128kbit would be enough for all that data. Speaking about the equvalent of 450+ kbit.
If you don't do it, there is NO NEED to offer people pro package based advanced stuff like realmedia or quicktime. Offer plain mpeg.
Those 3 steps above would take like... 1 hour? Could save thousands of dollars of bandwidth and more importantly people could actually view the demo without having 768kbit+ lines.
"Funny you should say that. The same article shows $339 million R&D for Yahoo vs $139 million R&D for Google. Google clearly has the mindshare, but the numbers don't bare out the lopsidedness at all."
ssh, this is Slashdot. Yahoo is evil for some reason and Google is "good guy".
I use "some reason" on purpose since I couldn't understand why. For years that is:)
Contributed by CmdrTaco on Sat Dec 20 at 12:16PM EST From the battle-for-the-net Dept This Story talks about how the new HTML 4.0 specs are bad for NS because while they are lagging in complaince, IE4 is already almost fully ready to go with the new standard."
If I had a fast line and reside at same place with server I'd make torrent.
The question is (end user here) why the heck they offer it on httpS server?
Looks like the same people using https for that iso wouldn't be happy about p2p guys downloading their stuff, let their server crash or something. Why would we care?
I am not speaking about the amazing stupidity of EVERY COMPANY, developer who still serves 600mb+ stuff via http protocol which was designed to serve small files of everykind.:)
If bittorrent was used in legit ways, like... Microsoft, Apple served those huge files via secure torrent link... Well.. Of course, forgot about Holywood and RIAA:)
If his first post is about unexplained his hate to real, his only friend will be real alternative.
BTW, who the heck encoded that movie should pay the bandwidth cost of that poor Helix server. Realmedia is NOT about shrinking mpeg, its at version 10 lol
Real (Helix) server can carry 4-5 alternative bandwidths. No need to have stone age (like wmedia) links for each bandwidth. Let the spyware (!) decide what to get.
I have a better idea. It is the real question for Realmedia/Quicktime haters must ask. Did you know Sun has a product named Java, is installed on every machine (especially geek machines) and forget simple tasks like presentation, it can render VRML same time and show live?:))
That is a very very small detail. Of course those huge Sun servers and E class lines can carry 450kbit but its a very big example why the great inventions of Sun doesn't work as promised.
I can encode that 450kbit file as a home user from the source DV on my OS X using free realmedia creator. Doesn't it sound strange to you?
You guys may hate all the information on front page but there are people already using it. Thats why Yahoo is still nr1 destination on web.
Have fun with ex NSA founded Google which harvests your private mail text to show you relevant ads. Wonder what would you geeks do if any other company did it.
If everyone streamed the thing and didn't offer it on p2p in some geek format, the suits in Sci Fi channel would get impressed and sit with real networks to make sci fi real superpass.
Its already been done. Playboy the p2p paranoid offers itself on real superpass scheme (seperate money of course).
Isn't it funny to pay $25 for a damn copper cable coming to your house while you have 2mbit (guessing) bandwidth?
People hating real, wmedia, drm are keeping cable monopolies in business. Its same everywhere. I work at a tv and we can't simply offer 56k stream even over the web since distributors of series goes nuts. They go nuts about DRM enabled technologies imagine the plain mpeg, ogg etc.
Maybe they are experimenting magnatunes.com type licensing stuff. Well, as tens of gui utilities exist, I am not blaming the wget using guys of course.
I'd pay to stream all sci fi channel on demand if existed. Hope they are experimenting how to make money from the downloads and offer service. So, my type of people can subscribe to "sci fi plus" etc.
Amazing is, there exists Real superpass and Playboy is there. I am showing Playboy as example since it is the scheme SciFi needs. Why doesn't scifi channel speak with real as they use the server already and make money from people like me? I'd pay $10 a month instead of setting up $2000 or more Satellite. (I am in Europe)
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Find a bank doesn't have IT department getting sort of bribes from Microsoft and switch to it.
Its easy. Go to bank, tell you want to close your account, if you are asked "why" in form etc, write "windows"
A site offering only "F" doesn't give a f to users outside of USA.
:)
Also, whatever they (Google) do, they have some sort of geek lawyers(!) to defend them. Whether they hurt peoples feelings or not. Like some sort of addict or something.
Google is a publicly traded company which makes millions and uses same tactics (cookies etc) as every company on earth does. Its not some sort of "net prophet" or anything. Did I miss anything sort of that?
Buy a second hand mac dual g4 with lots of ram, buy OS X panther, buy a cocoa handbook, install developer tools, code the program works better than iTunes and supports your device.
In which part Apple stops them?
People not using Mac as their only system can't understand how absurd those editorials are.
I got a OS X system, I buy original cds and yet there is not a SINGLE ALTERNATIVE ON OS X FOR iTUNES!
How can I respect any other company if they don't respect the computer of mine?
I am not developer or something but I can easily guess in next top rated MSFT download, you will also install .Net framework by your will.
.NET framework in next version or maybe MS or one of their puppets will find very evil bug affecting every IE can be only fixed with XML x.x which needs .net to work. Etc. etc.
.net will have a bug affecting Sun Java causing crashes on system. MS will wait 3 months to fix it until everyone un install Java to play their favorite game which needs .net too. I bet that game will be launched by EA, not Blizzard.
E.g. directx team will find a excuse to dynamically link it to
While predicting. After a certain point, like 100m downloads, one of minor releases of
I know they will execute us both for saying these but...
How come that "thing" is spyware? It has a clean page, no popups.
There is a huge embedded license agreement which is scrollable and user clicks "I agree" to download it
They serve something in sake of privacy. I am not even sure if privacy is compromised.
Kudos to original story submitter using "adware" instead of spyware. Spyware is something you install without being aware of. There is a huge license agreement on clean page and "I agree" switch.
I got Netscape 7.2 installed here. I care.
That "Netscape Icon" paid salaries of 80% of coders as much as it paid $2m for further development.
This sort of attitude will get you +5 on Slashdot ONLY.
Licensed Omniweb user. Looking forward for mac version update which is professionally coded/designed.
Too late (early) here so sorry for not reading the article.
I think the "icons" she speaks about covers the dock too. In 10th of a second you can simply look at dock and see how many mails you have. Or.. The never surpassed drag and drop capabilities. For end users, they are "icons" too.
Well, didn't read the full article so...
Which comment you speak about? The first -1 or the other -1?
My fault trying to give information. Kudos to the "video encoder" guy at Sun earning 4 intern salaries.
We are arguing about which shows middle the ad airs on?
Thing is.. O.C. TV series star, teen idol is starring in Starwars?
Suddenly all my 1% interest in starwars went lower. Aka 0%
Don't rely on iSync page. If there is a way to do it (e.g. if you own laptop), test it yourself.
I am telling it since I own a 7650 which is "supported" by iSync. Apple says so. What Apple doesn't tell is, 7650 now (latest fw) uses the 3650 language for syncing data. It took me days finding that hint at osxhints.com. I basically replaced the 7650 resource with 3650, it worked.
If phone uses some sort of standard way syncing the data, it will be supported. Of course thats why it needs real test. E.g. run iSync with Z800 and see if it works.
They claim everything Java based and miraculously Java isn't dead, even growing while Sun exists.
:))
There are advanced java powerhouses who make embedded jvm 1.1 (yes 1!) applets to stream video. Look at the streams they offer. Quicktime and Realmedia. Also very badly used quicktime and realmedia. (check my possibly -1 comment here
Its better to paste a URL rather than typing:
http://www.clipstream.com/
So, inventor of Java, claiming Java based 3d desktop not using Clipstream or other java based solutions on its own site.
This is the reason why it makes me wonder how the heck Java is still in good shape.
"Hellooooo!!! Real Networks is the company behind Real Video and Real Audio. Real Media is an internet advertising company!"
.rm file is a realmedia file. I also installed realplayer since its 1.0 on every platform I used.
.sig , its like a magnet for grammar nazis *g*
and various
"your post can't be understood" AC comments:
For me, the poor end user on internet ,
Also I love my
Replying to all super grammar guys, I am a foreigner working in my countries media since start of 90's and it really makes me mad when a guy getting paid by Sun, a company I really respect posts 450kbit plain CRAP (waste of data) because he was lazy to make 3 layer realmedia package file. 3 layers like:
1)The presentation imported from the original (powerpoint, staroffice, whatever) (over http)
2)The video layer which was timecoded in realvideo 10
3)The audio stuff encoded via speech optimised variant of realaudio g2 (not music!).
All this package? 128kbit would be enough for all that data. Speaking about the equvalent of 450+ kbit.
If you don't do it, there is NO NEED to offer people pro package based advanced stuff like realmedia or quicktime. Offer plain mpeg.
Those 3 steps above would take like... 1 hour? Could save thousands of dollars of bandwidth and more importantly people could actually view the demo without having 768kbit+ lines.
"Funny you should say that. The same article shows $339 million R&D for Yahoo vs $139 million R&D for Google. Google clearly has the mindshare, but the numbers don't bare out the lopsidedness at all."
:)
ssh, this is Slashdot. Yahoo is evil for some reason and Google is "good guy".
I use "some reason" on purpose since I couldn't understand why. For years that is
I still remember hotwired's april 1 joke that Disney bought them.
That giant Mickey Mouse lol.
funny is.. They were joking about a big company buying them... Lycos heh.
The Slashdot page you referenced deserves a story itself!
t .org/index.cgi?mode=article&artnum=305
I am speaking about the Netscape story
Look at the comments for gods sake:
http://web.archive.org/web/19971221013423/slashdo
For people in hurry:
"Netscape Behind?
Contributed by CmdrTaco on Sat Dec 20 at 12:16PM EST
From the battle-for-the-net Dept
This Story talks about how the new HTML 4.0 specs are bad for NS because while they are lagging in complaince, IE4 is already almost fully ready to go with the new standard."
If I had a fast line and reside at same place with server I'd make torrent.
:)
:)
The question is (end user here) why the heck they offer it on httpS server?
Looks like the same people using https for that iso wouldn't be happy about p2p guys downloading their stuff, let their server crash or something. Why would we care?
I am not speaking about the amazing stupidity of EVERY COMPANY, developer who still serves 600mb+ stuff via http protocol which was designed to serve small files of everykind.
If bittorrent was used in legit ways, like... Microsoft, Apple served those huge files via secure torrent link... Well.. Of course, forgot about Holywood and RIAA
"Real Alternative is your friend. "
t ion&hl=tr&lr=&start=10&sa=N
:))
If his first post is about unexplained his hate to real, his only friend will be real alternative.
BTW, who the heck encoded that movie should pay the bandwidth cost of that poor Helix server. Realmedia is NOT about shrinking mpeg, its at version 10 lol
The über encoder at Sun, hear this:
Real got codec for PRESENTATIONS which can serve SAME content in 32kbps or less (not counting audio). For examples, http://www.google.com/search?q=realmedia+presenta
Real (Helix) server can carry 4-5 alternative bandwidths. No need to have stone age (like wmedia) links for each bandwidth. Let the spyware (!) decide what to get.
I have a better idea. It is the real question for Realmedia/Quicktime haters must ask. Did you know Sun has a product named Java, is installed on every machine (especially geek machines) and forget simple tasks like presentation, it can render VRML same time and show live?
That is a very very small detail. Of course those huge Sun servers and E class lines can carry 450kbit but its a very big example why the great inventions of Sun doesn't work as promised.
I can encode that 450kbit file as a home user from the source DV on my OS X using free realmedia creator. Doesn't it sound strange to you?
"You misspelled tomorrow."
OMG, is it Taco joking with himself?
Oh come on. Yahoo didn't copy anything. Advanced users of yahoo were using search.yahoo.com all the time and it was simply like that.
w ww2.yahoo.com/ . So, Google copied Yahoo's clean interface?
Also http://web.archive.org/web/19961017235908/http://
You guys may hate all the information on front page but there are people already using it. Thats why Yahoo is still nr1 destination on web.
Have fun with ex NSA founded Google which harvests your private mail text to show you relevant ads. Wonder what would you geeks do if any other company did it.
Have fun censoring me too, mods.
I know lots of people from Real Networks reads slashdot and submit stories including the boss :)
i deo.html
I wonder why on earth those companies still use rv8 while realvideo 10 (mpeg4 like) and realaudio 10 (aac like) exist?
I see the url is rbn (real broadcast system) which makes me more surprised.
To see what you miss if it was rv 10, check:
http://www.realnetworks.com/products/codecs/realv
"What ads? Seriously, I've never seen ads with Realplayer."
:P I mean, slashdot people says so.
ssh, they speak about realplayer 8 while its now opensource helix based real 10.
Real is spyware and has ads!
No sarcasm here. Thanks for using real format instead of wmedia so I can watch.
WindowsMedia, especially on embedded stuff never works on Mac/Mac browsers.
btw, keep away from reply button if you will say mpeg etc. They need some sort of protection.
If everyone streamed the thing and didn't offer it on p2p in some geek format, the suits in Sci Fi channel would get impressed and sit with real networks to make sci fi real superpass.
Its already been done. Playboy the p2p paranoid offers itself on real superpass scheme (seperate money of course).
Isn't it funny to pay $25 for a damn copper cable coming to your house while you have 2mbit (guessing) bandwidth?
People hating real, wmedia, drm are keeping cable monopolies in business. Its same everywhere. I work at a tv and we can't simply offer 56k stream even over the web since distributors of series goes nuts. They go nuts about DRM enabled technologies imagine the plain mpeg, ogg etc.
If you use realplayer 10 (latest) you can right click and switch the fullscreen directly from the embedded stream.
I think realplayer 10 is better than old version so if your system supports it, better to upgrade.
Ever wondered why they offer stream only?
Maybe they are experimenting magnatunes.com type licensing stuff. Well, as tens of gui utilities exist, I am not blaming the wget using guys of course.
I'd pay to stream all sci fi channel on demand if existed. Hope they are experimenting how to make money from the downloads and offer service. So, my type of people can subscribe to "sci fi plus" etc.
Amazing is, there exists Real superpass and Playboy is there. I am showing Playboy as example since it is the scheme SciFi needs. Why doesn't scifi channel speak with real as they use the server already and make money from people like me? I'd pay $10 a month instead of setting up $2000 or more Satellite. (I am in Europe)