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Yahoo, Apache, Ebay, Amazon, Netscape Celebrate 10 Year Anniversaries
tagish writes "Roy Fielding writes on the Apache dev mailing list: 10 years ago today, the Apache Group decloaked with the creation
of the new-httpd archive and initial accounts on hyperreal.org.
I had the lucky timing of having the first message archived on
the list, though we had actually been talking about what to do
for at least a week before that (sadly, without any archives)." At the same time, Mike Porter simply writes "Yahoo celebrates its tenth anniversary on March 2nd." News about some other anniversaries available via an MSNBC article.
10th year of "Year of Linux"
After the celebrations are you considering giving us a clean home page? Please YAHOO... its been long due
fuvoo: watch something
Well this is fairly special, how exactly are they going to be celebrating? :)
-- Methynutnut
Yahoo, Apache, Ebay, Amazon, Netscape
One of these things is not the same kind.
Well hooray for a bunch of people who got to ride the .com bubble and get far richer than I'll ever be.
Yahoo, Apache, Ebay, Amazon, Netscape Celebrate 10 Year Anniversaries
um, did we not mention www.wonderbra.com?
google said it would celebrate its 10th annyversary too.
This also means I have been online 10 years. Wow. Where does the time go?
Oh yeah, multiplayer internet games!
Happy BD, to the lot of them. Interesting to see how some of them have grown into being huge companies (amazon), and continue to develop, others being manhandled by opposition (Netscape)illegaly, and yet others outdone by fair competition and still being in business (yahoo).
What is "relevant", Alex?
Does Netscape even really count anymore? They're no longer independent, nor are they even influential, for crying out loud.
The coolest voice ever.
"It's immensely more challenging to get to $10 billion in revenue than it was to get to $10 million in revenue," Filo said. "That's why we are still here today.
Sounds like tough work. How will they ever make enough to see ends meet.
Where have you gone, HomeGrocer.com and WebVan?
Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
Sorry, but Yahoo has been around since January 1994.
Not anymore you don't
hell, jerry's akabono.stanford.edu sumo wrestling site probably goes back even further.
Yes, we know
I personally credit Filo with making open source accepted...when the market cap topped $150 billion (for a short time) it was hard to argue you could not make money with open source.
If you are going to use a fraction why not 3/5? But why use a fraction, why not just say 36 minutes? Something is not right here.
nono.
I've made it more secure for you.
does anybody know what the most popular web-server was before apache?
mines at 5, it was on my mousepad and one of my favorite games at the time. when my dog destroyed the original mousepad i found one on ebay in australia and ordered it, $4.50USD including shipping...
I really want to know how exactly a site like Yahoo! makes money. Are click-thru ads really that profitable?
Someone explain this, I'm in the dark.
Sony ha
From the MSNBC article: "Relative youngster Google has been lauded for reaching $1 billion in sales in just six years. Well, Amazon did it in four, Yahoo in five and eBay achieved it in seven. Compare those companies with Wal-Mart, which aged to 18 before it could slap the phrase, 'the billion dollar company' on its annual report; and McDonald's took 24 years to hit the benchmark."
Page and Brin of Google, Filo and Yang of Yahoo were in Stanford Ph. D. program; Jeff Bezos of Amazon graduated from Princeton (EE and CS); Pierre Omidyar, Ebay founder, went to Tufts (CS); Meg Whitman, CEO of Ebay, went to Princeton and Harvard. What's the lesson here? Hitting the books pays. I guess.
Sun and Fun
I guess we're here now, and we probably have been for some time - but that appears to have quietly slipped in while I wasn't looking.
Then I moved into a position with a company selling a solution with PAID FOR LICENSES of Netscape included. We were happy to pay the fee though, because it did things for us that simply didn't work otherwise on Windows 3.1(/1) - the choice of clients of my old employers...
Now, although I thought those large warrior women were around a bit longer ago than 10 years, at least I know what they are... but what's an "ebay"??
Here's my experience with Apache about (almost) ten years ago. I was working at a place where we were running NCSA httpd 1.3 on SunOS 4.1. Our web site had become more popular due to a news article or something. Performance was bad because NCSA httpd waited to receive a new TCP connection, and then forked a child to service that connection. The child served the request, then immediately exited. Not a horrible model when the web was some guy's fun little research project, but not optimal either.
So, we needed something better. I had heard about this new httpd called Apache, which had started off life as a series of patches to NCSA httpd. Hence the name: it was a-patchy-server. I thought the pun was mildly lame, but when I read the info on how it worked, I was impressed: here was an httpd that forked off N different httpd server children in advance and then communicated with them to assign tasks as TCP connections came in. It would start out with N of them, and if all N were busy at the time a new connection came in, it would create child N+1, and so on. Performance was supposed to be something like an order of magnitude better, and since it was a branch of NCSA httpd, it could read all our config files (although we'd want to tweak them a little to get good performance).
NCSA httpd 1.3 had been released, but no new changes had come from NCSA in a while, and these Apache people seemed to have gotten a lot accomplished in a short time, so I had a good feeling about them. So, I talked to my boss and suggested that this new Apache thingamabob might be the solution to all our problems.
He thought about it and decided he wasn't sure some obscure bunch of hotshot developers creating their own rogue branch from the well-respected NCSA code were the type of people we should expect to be around for long. He thought it'd be much safer to just wait for NCSA httpd 1.4, which was supposed to have its own pre-forking implementation. So we did.
A few years later, I had to look back and laugh that my boss was skeptical that this weird new Apache thing could ever catch on. But all in all, there was nothing wrong with his decision. He may've been a little too conservative, but a good system administrator makes decisions that will make the system work, and doesn't let the coolness factor of this or that technology sway him.
On the other hand, I get some satisfaction from looking back and knowing that my gut instinct was right on target.
On the other other hand, I get even more satisfaction from looking back and realizing I'm not a systems administrator anymore, and I've actually manage to escape to a different part of the technical universe (knock on wood). :-)
...program. I remember making my page with that A-River logo, and putting up books for sale. If I'd have stuck with it, who knows how much I'd have in terms of money and experience!
;)
Ah, to go back in time and tell myself then what I know now.
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And don't forget, we would NOT have Firefox today, had it not been for Netscape.
...whose remaining four employees will get trashed on listerine in the broom closet.
And let's not forget OpenBSD!
Like their website says: "Free, Functional & Secure - since 1995".
14 years of gopher !
no pop ups/downs/arounds/unders
no ads
no pictures
but it did have a clickable interface, and it might have been the beginning of the "everything I can see is the filesystem" revolution leading to the web browser/filesystem browser integration.
"Care of clothes/room at dismal low"
"Responsive to anger often violent and immediate"
"Will accept bathing schedule if it doesn't interfere with activities"
"Fears at a low ebb"
"Not yet aware of when they are tired and need to go to bed"
"Humor is corny, sometimes smutty"
"Interest span still somewhat short"
"Needs certain amount of liberty to move around"
"Concerned about fairness"
"Greatest difficulties in relation to siblings "
"Responsive to anger often violent and immediate"
Ones that may not apply:
"Still exhibits admiration for adults, teachers"
"Still needs considerable amount of supervision to get things done, needs clues to organization"
"Enjoys outdoor play activities, sports, collections, Cub Scouts, T.V., and video games" (well, except for the TV and Video Games)
"Enjoys listening to stories"
"Not necessarily a worker"
"Have sudden bursts of affection"
"Last age (for a while) when child goes happily on family outings"
Ah, but it IS true. Or at least it was true at the time. If you don't believe me, take a look at the archive.org archives of the www.apache.org FAQ as of October 28, 1996, where it clearly says:
This is kind of an interesting development. I can see four possible explanations:
I have to say, at the very least, the current FAQ entry is so misleading that it's bordering on deceptive. If people who believe it stands for "A PAtCHy server" believe so incorrectly, the current FAQ ought to point out that the reason they believe that is that a previous version of the very same FAQ told them so!
haha my *mail password is still 3 characters, no caps and no numbers, it is only a matter of time now before some spammer finds it, exploits it and sends out thousands of emails under my name ... somewhere a cs teacher is cringing ... 1997, how i do miss thee :D
I'm about the same age as the founders of some of these companies, and what do I have to show after a decade on the internet? One massive pr0n collection.
March 7, 1995, birth of the Portable Network Graphics (PNG) format.
links! :D
Dude it was a joke. Whoosh! Whoosh!
10 years of working in web design this year. always thought it would be a passing fad and i would have to get a real job writing C or something too.
If it helps, I've been on the Internet more than ten years and I didn't get rich from the dot com bubble. Damn, I made the mistake of buying into the geeky net culture of making information and software available for free. Damn me for falling in with the wrong crowd. Why didn't I try some yuppie greed?!
Actually, from the first point I started recording my Internet experience (I was online maybe a year before that.), I've spent 10 years, 11 months, and 17 days on the Internet so far. Give or take a few hours a day to sleep and stuff.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
ok, so now the first post guy is celebrating his tenth anniversary, and bragging about it? ("hey, I got first post ten years ago! nah-nah-nah-nah boo-boo")
First five messages on the "new-httpd" archive:
1) fp?? ... profit...
2) First p0st!!!!
3) pirst fost
4) In Soviet Russia, Daemon posts you
5)
anniversary: The yearly return of a noteworthy date. (Oxford English Dictionary)
(Please don't regale me with "one month anniversaries of your first date" you celebrated in high school.) This is worse than "very unique".
Brings back memories of my 10th birthday party.
paintball
Last Monday, February 21 (Presidents Day). My dad used to actually get both Washington and Lincoln's birthdays off but eventually that was changed to President's Day too.
Before that was Martin Luther King Jr. Day celebrated through much of the USA.
Of course, there's always Christmas (for some), and I'm sure other countries have kings or queens or saints or other people they like to have a good cheer about.
all in all I'd say a lot of people celebrate the birthdays of dead people worldwide. Unless they work in retail in the US, because then they probably have to go sell stuff to everyone else who isn't working.
Yahoo! is a portal, and search is a loss-leader.
They make money on premium services - email accounts, personal ads, auctions, fees on Yahoo merchants, etc. Having the search makes it easier for you to direct traffic to your premium services.
paintball
/me looks at www.hyperreal.org Hmm, so Apache was created by drugged up ravers? Well, that explains a lot... ;)
Suddenly, I feel old.
Software Wars
And Google Groups is always a lot of fun.. you can see Jeff Bezos asking some questions about marketing Amazon here, and even searching for developers here
I know somewhere the very first attempt at a bookstore by Jeff Bezos is still archived, but I can't remember where..
Never email donotemail@WeAreSpammers.com
I know exactly how you feel. Within a week of owning my black sports car some stupid woman opened her door into mine and made a huge dent in it. Later a branch fell on it, a golf ball bounced off the roof leaving a nice dent, someone keyed one side. Several other things have happened to this car that never happened to the others I owned for far longer. Do they attract disaster?
Both Yahoo and Google are in the business of selling people to advertisers (who may be people, but are possibly also rats or other vermin). The more clicks to advertisers sites, and the more that advertiser's pages are seen, the more money the search engines make.
This translates into "the more time spent looking at and clicking on links from a search engine, the more money the search engine makes."
The goals are the same, the approach is different.
Use the same units for comparison, won't you? Otherwise, it's difficult to see that your argument makes sense. 36 minutes of an hour on google versus 4.8 hours per month.... Is that every hour for google? Or are you picking certain ones? How many hours a month?
My guess is that people are spending more time at Google per month than at Yahoo per month, and that because of this (among other reasons, i.e. this would be a reason if all other factors were equal), Google is generating more revenue.
Now if simplifying their interface led to more revenue...it might be worth looking into even if it shoots their current business model to pieces.
Mod me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
Not a coincidence that it is also the year of Windows 95. While Win95 has been dwarfed by today's stability and functionality it is the way the vast majority of users first accessed the internet and I don't think Yahoo or Apache or the eventual Google would be around without it.
He means he got "First Post"
Kevin
"It's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in" O. Nash
My guess is that is that it's 6/10ths of an hour per month on google, i.e. .6 hours per month.
Ewige Blumenkraft.
Reading this made me think back to my first order from Amazon. It was April 4, 1997 and was a used copy of The Spear of Mars edited by Reginald Bretnor.
Interestingly enough, it wasn't until Sep. 6, 1998 that the book shipped.
Anyone else care to share what/when you ordered first?
Successfully condensing fact from the vapor of nuance since 1998.
My personal home page reaches its ten-year anniversary on March 7th!
--Dan
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Google started similarly a few years later. It also was initially hosted at Stanford. It's address stared out as http://google.stanford.com/ (neither link is still live).
akebono.stanford.edu was the first url.