They can do it (I am turkish) since inflation rate is sub 10% levels now. It could be "respirator" if those fundamentalist bastards with hidden agenda took that decision at 100% inflation levels.
There are some stuff they do right.
I promised not to comment on this story but this is different issue. Also testing if cops will appear at my door now. You know, censored, evil country citizen here..:P
As a turkish citizen, even posting with my real name for years..
I'd love to participate in this discussion, ask about how come turkish media is cencored etc or replying to each clueless european which hates Turkey for some funny reason and jumping to this discussion about how disgusting thing Turkey did to poor(!) category editor etc.
The problem is... I don't want to. I don't care. I stopped doing such stuff years ago.
As an unimportmant note, can I BEG you people not to compare Mandela to PKK/KADEK? I don't remember Mandela ordered black people to burn schools, kill teachers, kill all village only because they participated in election...
I mean, for my stomach's sake, don't make me disgusted.
Its NOT my fault. A novice computer using friend installed it here as I stated on my post. To pirate a mp3, to be exact while having 4000 original cd songs on my iTunes library and being a Radiopass from Real Networks member.
I don't care about any non legit p2p myself, I tell about what a novice mac user can do and can get infected with spyware on OS X, a BSD based OS!
I still don't care about newest p2p or non spyware, sorry. I just see Limewire is being marked "freeware" on download.com mac edition and its being spyware. Also being NR 1 download too.
"If they would RTFM for 'zone alarm'(tm?) they would understand. My daughter who recenrtly made her first web page, using HTML tags and a text editor, knows how to interpret zone alarm 'notices'. I'm notplugging this product in particular, it's just the only one I'm familiar with that will ask you if you want to contact a site, if so configured."
No, Real world, AVERAGE users don't RTFM, or even 1000 byte readme.
Your daughter isn't general public I say.
Also the guy references traffic analyzing, not granting access to stuff with zone alarm. I saw lots granting spyware to access web to use their "mp3 programs" (read:kazaa) while having zonealarm installed btw.
Oops, I noticed I got infected by a Limewire 4 (final) version, not just 3.7.2.
If you look at that macnn forum topic I referenced, you will see another "Adam" promising it was pulled from installation. Notice he and all guys speak about 3.7.x versions.
Now, its 4.x level and some of builds got Limeshop installed.
It can give a clue about their tactics. I am expecting a Limewire corp post in reply to my post REAL SOON btw.
Seems they dig web and sites like slashdot for words "limewire" and "spyware" and reply with non honest comments as stated above.
sorry replying to my own post, I had to inform any OS X users out there...
It was a real funny chance myself getting infected in fact.
Its in just couple of Limewire 3.7.2 beta and 3.7.3 releases for mac. When they figured mac forums getting reports, they immediately pulled it from installation.
I am one (c) freak guy using all original dvds, cds, programs etc. Its really funny I got infected with spyware because of Limewire I mean...
I left a friend alone with my Mac G5, knowing my root pwd and I really didn't think he could be THAT GOOD on macs or forgot how easy macs are used:)
Guy installed limewire to get a rare mp3 he likes and boom, I had java asking permission to connect at morning (netbarrier running here)
What drove me nuts is, I am one of the FIRST guys figured TopMoxie on Win32 and alerted press (Wired etc) about it.
They figured mac users are aware of what that thing does and pulled it.
About Top Moxie? Oh man, that thing was more evil than satan... Can't imagine how much money went to wrong hands instead of non spyware legit referrers of Amazon.com etc.
Looks like Symantec analysed a recent version. That thing is written by very advanced java authors itself, read: Limesoft. It was first bundled with Limewire/Windows and OS integrated firewalls like Symantec firewall AUTOMATICALLY granted ALL rights to it since it was using SIGNED Microsoft JView to run. So, Jview, signed app, you get alert from firewall which RECOMMENDS to enable access since its signed microsoft system part.
Understand the trick? Since its SAME trick used on Limeshop/OS X
Oh it did one "cool" thing on windows...:) You know there are poor coders, freelance authors etc making money to run their sites via referring books,cds from amazon etc? It rendered such URLs (childs toy to get current url from IE) and REPLACED it with some limewire referrer.
Looks like they changed that attitude since Amazon and major, LEGIT referrers threatened a lawsuit against them.
We _must_ keep an eye on that Limeshop and TopMoxie, especially Java fans and developers. This is one cool(!) and evil way to unleash Java "run anywhere" potential. As its written in java, imagine 1 year later we speak about J2ME (java micro edition) spyware which is installed to Cell Phones, PDA's and Nokia, Ericcson give option to their customers to DISABLE Java via firmware.
Or lets say, you see people bragging about Linux,BSD is free of Spyware? It can easily change with that java sneaky thing.
If Linux folks spared half of their time purchasing native Linux games from Loki soft and supporting SDL that way instead of bitching about directx eula...
Is "backweb" on win32 still considered "spyware" by those programs?
One of the inventors of anti spyware stuff called it "spyware" and forced my novice brother to delete it.
That "spyware" was installed by Siemens and FRISK, makers of F-Prot for gods sake! Its job was to download virus definitions for F-Prot Mobile which came with guys computer.
In 1 week I had to clean a damn new windows virus which was advanced and his half of documents were deleted by that virus.
I knew he was novice and wouldn't care about updates so I installed backweb on PURPOSE!
Note I am not against Lavasoft but I think the "paranoia" level of anti spyware is way TOO HIGH. E.g. deleting doubleclick.net cookies of IE which comes with P3P installed will get "bravo" from users but advanced ones will know it means NOTHING.
If you state directly that program will sell your private habits, you are off to go.
I don't have problem with that myself.
I _hate_ one little, clever company named Limewire. Limesoft to be exact.
Those assholes recently tested SPYWARE on Mac OS X knowing the fact that mac users aren't so advanced on such things.
They used same tactic as they did on Top Moxie, on Win32 years ago. Coded it so system part (java.exe) will run it and if user runs an advanced firewall (not usual on mac too!) , Java will ask for permission to connect to net, NOT the spyware itself.
Advanced users figured it (thank god) and that "Adam" guy from Limesoft (boss) said "they were testing technology on macintosh, its pulled from installation now"
Do I remember that kind of answer and shameless response from somewhere? YES! It was same deal on Win32 topmoxie!
Notice something, I use "spyware" for Limewire, not whatever your product is. If you show users your intentions, you won't get much protest from them.
BTW, as mac users turned out to be "not that stupid", they removed "limeshop control panel" installation from later releases.
Limewire, on mac, while doing such "great inventions" as first spyware on OS x is currently number 1 on download.com mac edition...:)
I was wondering what all you guys reply to, had to browse at -1 to see guys comment.
There is nothing to be troll on such comment, I personally run a $60 firewall on my mac and never run its ad blocker. As a guy working at TV media, I think same as that "troll guy".
As a protest of "ad blocking" fans and their attempt to silence the guy, I am pasting his comment below without anything changed with "karma bonus" , I know this one will go -1 too but what's a protest if you don't lose anything like stuupid karma?:)
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AdBlock is unethical (Score:-1, Troll) by MaelstromX (739241) on 2:33 22 November 2004 (#10883951)
Why was it necessary to praise AdBlock in the writeup considering it would not have made a difference if the user had it installed or not? Even if AdBlock were responsible for preventing a user from getting a virus this time, that's hardly enough to make up for the theft of services and fraud that people who use it commit every day.
Web pages like slashdot are available to you on the following basis: load our advertisements which bring us revenue that allow us to pay for bandwidth, salaries, etc., and we will also make available to your our content, free of charge. Extensions and programs like AdBlock are tantamount to theft; you are acquiring the content but not "paying" for it by loading the advertisements.
If you find a site's ads to be so intrusive as to make the page unviewable, don't go back. I doubt anyone forced you to go there in the first place.
I am not a linux zealot, not even a open source liking guy.
What made me disgusted about MS tactics is buying OS/2 Warp 3 for free internet account at ibm.net
After using that OS for months and seeing how it died (for general end user) by disgusting tricks of Microsoft, I had a reason to hate Microsoft.
Not an IBM share holder of course:) If you have used OS/2 by any chance, that true 32bit system and HAD to use Windows 95, that fake OS running over DOS (yea, virtualized,bla bla) you may easily understand that "trick" of MS pushed x86 to at least 5 years earlier.
Now using Mac G5 as only system, using OS X, still NOT VERY MUCH impressed as I was impressed at 1995 first time running OS/2 on my Pentium 75.
If you read its preface, you will understand what I mean.
Nothing can surprise you after reading what they did to IBM at OS/2 days. They do it to IBM, that monstrous big company. Imagine what they can do to "smaller" rivals.
http://www.hamrick.com/ Ed Hamrick, Author of Vuescan, supports 100+ scanners/cams HIMSELF. I licensed Vuescan while having Canon's own scanning software. It was simply better.
Can you read below (I know, AC wrote summary) and tell how it differs from "xxxx is dying, netcraft confirms" regular joke on Slashdot while unfortunately, AC didn't mean to joke?:)
Don't ban me btw:P
"An anonymous reader submits "Opera, the sometimes forgotten #3 web browser, reported a third quarter loss that tripled that of last year's third quarter despite a seven-fold increase in revenue. Opera is blaming a weaker dollar for the losses, and say they're spending money on marketing and new ventures like teaming with IBM to use their ViaVoice technology. Opera's future seems uncertain as Firefox's growing popularity may hurt Opera by stealing potential customers. With Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Safari all free, is there room for a non-free browser in the market?""
Slashdot Mirror
Adobe using cracker? Skillful to deface SCO site and using Adobe product.
Makes me wonder...
I am not replying to this story politically as I promised on my parent post.
Just wanted to thank you for a big rotfl myself.
"MOD PARENT DOWN!", so it should reach -1 level and make my post UNREADABLE by Slashdot community? Or its some kind of "karma slap"?
Its an excellent example of hypocrisy , thanks for great laugh. A bitter laugh in fact.
EOF.
They can do it (I am turkish) since inflation rate is sub 10% levels now. It could be "respirator" if those fundamentalist bastards with hidden agenda took that decision at 100% inflation levels.
:P
There are some stuff they do right.
I promised not to comment on this story but this is different issue. Also testing if cops will appear at my door now. You know, censored, evil country citizen here..
As a turkish citizen, even posting with my real name for years..
I'd love to participate in this discussion, ask about how come turkish media is cencored etc or replying to each clueless european which hates Turkey for some funny reason and jumping to this discussion about how disgusting thing Turkey did to poor(!) category editor etc.
The problem is... I don't want to. I don't care. I stopped doing such stuff years ago.
As an unimportmant note, can I BEG you people not to compare Mandela to PKK/KADEK? I don't remember Mandela ordered black people to burn schools, kill teachers, kill all village only because they participated in election...
I mean, for my stomach's sake, don't make me disgusted.
I don't get why you pc guys liking OS X doesn't use WindowMaker or Afterstep as your windowmanager than.
Believe me, its really similar desktop approach, they are openstep stuff which is derived from NexTStep.
It was funny that I installed windowmaker with Fink to OS X and asked myself "wtf I just did?"
I checked your website, yes it hurts legit referrers but you should also guide people not to spam etc.
It is truly lacking from your website.
Its NOT my fault. A novice computer using friend installed it here as I stated on my post. To pirate a mp3, to be exact while having 4000 original cd songs on my iTunes library and being a Radiopass from Real Networks member.
I don't care about any non legit p2p myself, I tell about what a novice mac user can do and can get infected with spyware on OS X, a BSD based OS!
I still don't care about newest p2p or non spyware, sorry. I just see Limewire is being marked "freeware" on download.com mac edition and its being spyware. Also being NR 1 download too.
"If they would RTFM for 'zone alarm'(tm?) they would understand. My daughter who recenrtly made her first web page, using HTML tags and a text editor, knows how to interpret zone alarm 'notices'. I'm notplugging this product in particular, it's just the only one I'm familiar with that will ask you if you want to contact a site, if so configured."
No, Real world, AVERAGE users don't RTFM, or even 1000 byte readme.
Your daughter isn't general public I say.
Also the guy references traffic analyzing, not granting access to stuff with zone alarm. I saw lots granting spyware to access web to use their "mp3 programs" (read:kazaa) while having zonealarm installed btw.
Oops, I noticed I got infected by a Limewire 4 (final) version, not just 3.7.2.
If you look at that macnn forum topic I referenced, you will see another "Adam" promising it was pulled from installation. Notice he and all guys speak about 3.7.x versions.
Now, its 4.x level and some of builds got Limeshop installed.
It can give a clue about their tactics. I am expecting a Limewire corp post in reply to my post REAL SOON btw.
Seems they dig web and sites like slashdot for words "limewire" and "spyware" and reply with non honest comments as stated above.
sorry replying to my own post, I had to inform any OS X users out there...
It was a real funny chance myself getting infected in fact.
:)
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Its in just couple of Limewire 3.7.2 beta and 3.7.3 releases for mac. When they figured mac forums getting reports, they immediately pulled it from installation.
I am one (c) freak guy using all original dvds, cds, programs etc. Its really funny I got infected with spyware because of Limewire I mean...
I left a friend alone with my Mac G5, knowing my root pwd and I really didn't think he could be THAT GOOD on macs or forgot how easy macs are used
Guy installed limewire to get a rare mp3 he likes and boom, I had java asking permission to connect at morning (netbarrier running here)
What drove me nuts is, I am one of the FIRST guys figured TopMoxie on Win32 and alerted press (Wired etc) about it.
They figured mac users are aware of what that thing does and pulled it.
here is a forum posting for you, on a real popular mac website.
http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?s=&threadi
About Top Moxie? Oh man, that thing was more evil than satan... Can't imagine how much money went to wrong hands instead of non spyware legit referrers of Amazon.com etc.
http://www.symantec.de/avcenter/venc/data/adware.
Looks like Symantec analysed a recent version. That thing is written by very advanced java authors itself, read: Limesoft. It was first bundled with Limewire/Windows and OS integrated firewalls like Symantec firewall AUTOMATICALLY granted ALL rights to it since it was using SIGNED Microsoft JView to run. So, Jview, signed app, you get alert from firewall which RECOMMENDS to enable access since its signed microsoft system part.
Understand the trick? Since its SAME trick used on Limeshop/OS X
Oh it did one "cool" thing on windows...:) You know there are poor coders, freelance authors etc making money to run their sites via referring books,cds from amazon etc? It rendered such URLs (childs toy to get current url from IE) and REPLACED it with some limewire referrer.
Looks like they changed that attitude since Amazon and major, LEGIT referrers threatened a lawsuit against them.
We _must_ keep an eye on that Limeshop and TopMoxie, especially Java fans and developers. This is one cool(!) and evil way to unleash Java "run anywhere" potential. As its written in java, imagine 1 year later we speak about J2ME (java micro edition) spyware which is installed to Cell Phones, PDA's and Nokia, Ericcson give option to their customers to DISABLE Java via firmware.
Or lets say, you see people bragging about Linux,BSD is free of Spyware? It can easily change with that java sneaky thing.
If you can show one AVERAGE end user can understand what your post means, I will shoot myself.
:)
Log? analyze? Traffic?
Come on man, real world!
If Linux folks spared half of their time purchasing native Linux games from Loki soft and supporting SDL that way instead of bitching about directx eula...
Is "backweb" on win32 still considered "spyware" by those programs?
:)))
One of the inventors of anti spyware stuff called it "spyware" and forced my novice brother to delete it.
That "spyware" was installed by Siemens and FRISK, makers of F-Prot for gods sake! Its job was to download virus definitions for F-Prot Mobile which came with guys computer.
In 1 week I had to clean a damn new windows virus which was advanced and his half of documents were deleted by that virus.
I knew he was novice and wouldn't care about updates so I installed backweb on PURPOSE!
There, the company and customers which Ad-aware considered spyware
http://www.backweb.com/customers/
Note I am not against Lavasoft but I think the "paranoia" level of anti spyware is way TOO HIGH. E.g. deleting doubleclick.net cookies of IE which comes with P3P installed will get "bravo" from users but advanced ones will know it means NOTHING.
If you state directly that program will sell your private habits, you are off to go.
:)
I don't have problem with that myself.
I _hate_ one little, clever company named Limewire. Limesoft to be exact.
Those assholes recently tested SPYWARE on Mac OS X knowing the fact that mac users aren't so advanced on such things.
They used same tactic as they did on Top Moxie, on Win32 years ago. Coded it so system part (java.exe) will run it and if user runs an advanced firewall (not usual on mac too!) , Java will ask for permission to connect to net, NOT the spyware itself.
Advanced users figured it (thank god) and that "Adam" guy from Limesoft (boss) said "they were testing technology on macintosh, its pulled from installation now"
Do I remember that kind of answer and shameless response from somewhere? YES! It was same deal on Win32 topmoxie!
Notice something, I use "spyware" for Limewire, not whatever your product is. If you show users your intentions, you won't get much protest from them.
BTW, as mac users turned out to be "not that stupid", they removed "limeshop control panel" installation from later releases.
Limewire, on mac, while doing such "great inventions" as first spyware on OS x is currently number 1 on download.com mac edition...
When are you bundling your shit again Adam Fisk?
If I had mod points, I would give you +5. You really know how to post on slashdot.
;)
Thats all I had to say
Ilgaz
I was wondering what all you guys reply to, had to browse at -1 to see guys comment.
:)
There is nothing to be troll on such comment, I personally run a $60 firewall on my mac and never run its ad blocker. As a guy working at TV media, I think same as that "troll guy".
As a protest of "ad blocking" fans and their attempt to silence the guy, I am pasting his comment below without anything changed with "karma bonus" , I know this one will go -1 too but what's a protest if you don't lose anything like stuupid karma?
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AdBlock is unethical (Score:-1, Troll)
by MaelstromX (739241) on 2:33 22 November 2004 (#10883951)
Why was it necessary to praise AdBlock in the writeup considering it would not have made a difference if the user had it installed or not? Even if AdBlock were responsible for preventing a user from getting a virus this time, that's hardly enough to make up for the theft of services and fraud that people who use it commit every day.
Web pages like slashdot are available to you on the following basis: load our advertisements which bring us revenue that allow us to pay for bandwidth, salaries, etc., and we will also make available to your our content, free of charge. Extensions and programs like AdBlock are tantamount to theft; you are acquiring the content but not "paying" for it by loading the advertisements.
If you find a site's ads to be so intrusive as to make the page unviewable, don't go back. I doubt anyone forced you to go there in the first place.
I am not a linux zealot, not even a open source liking guy.
:) If you have used OS/2 by any chance, that true 32bit system and HAD to use Windows 95, that fake OS running over DOS (yea, virtualized,bla bla) you may easily understand that "trick" of MS pushed x86 to at least 5 years earlier.
What made me disgusted about MS tactics is buying OS/2 Warp 3 for free internet account at ibm.net
After using that OS for months and seeing how it died (for general end user) by disgusting tricks of Microsoft, I had a reason to hate Microsoft.
Not an IBM share holder of course
Now using Mac G5 as only system, using OS X, still NOT VERY MUCH impressed as I was impressed at 1995 first time running OS/2 on my Pentium 75.
I am not interested in this case since nothing will surprise me after reading very old, mafioso tactics of MS, YEARS ago at "The Microsoft File":
2 927168/qid=1100772396/sr=8-8/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i8_xgl 14/102-9458463-2904913?v=glance&s=books&n=5078 46
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/081
If you read its preface, you will understand what I mean.
Nothing can surprise you after reading what they did to IBM at OS/2 days. They do it to IBM, that monstrous big company. Imagine what they can do to "smaller" rivals.
"Re:On Mac, he/she still lives (Score:0)
:)
by Anonymous Coward on 13:18 17 November 2004 (#10840652)
I'm betting you don't have a cell phone that has Bluetooth, otherwise how could you have left Jonas Salling off your list?"
Yes, I got it too, licensed. Forgot to tell it, sorry.
In fact, I must learn Applescript because of that program
They did it before. Stated in "Helloween" memo, years ago.
9 6,2069820,00.htm
They purposely broke Quicktime with a OS update. Not that plugin thing, much before!
Its not a rumor , it was told at court:
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/windows/0,390203
They do the same ASSHOLE trick all over Europe.
Like, G5 is $2000 in USA, (euro) 2000 in Europe.
And they cry about lack of sales.
ps: I am a mac only user from Istanbul.
Its early for me so I couldn't stand not saying it knowing this post will go downhill.
Patent, Huge corps, Lawyers, SDKs, IDE's aren't lonely coders murderer, its USERS lack of ethics.
Half of people crying about how evil big companies are, use small shareware products too and they CRACK them.
They don't give guy money so he/she goes and knocks some Redmond door.
http://www.hamrick.com/ Ed Hamrick, Author of Vuescan, supports 100+ scanners/cams HIMSELF. I licensed Vuescan while having Canon's own scanning software. It was simply better.
.
http://www.lemkesoft.de/ Adrian Lemke, Author of Graphics Converter.
You meant single coders, those guys are single coding. I know more like 2-3 coder guys/gals , also use/buy their software.
What about RAR "labs"? We know its a single guy coding (Alexander Roshal)
If people buy the stuff they use, there will be many more "lonely coder" guys.
Do I need that thing? Will it make my fans go full speed? Whats the reason to use "linux" instead of OS X?
Downloading and serving it via Bitorrent now, wanted to ask...
Can you read below (I know, AC wrote summary) and tell how it differs from "xxxx is dying, netcraft confirms" regular joke on Slashdot while unfortunately, AC didn't mean to joke? :)
:P
Don't ban me btw
"An anonymous reader submits "Opera, the sometimes forgotten #3 web browser, reported a third quarter loss that tripled that of last year's third quarter despite a seven-fold increase in revenue. Opera is blaming a weaker dollar for the losses, and say they're spending money on marketing and new ventures like teaming with IBM to use their ViaVoice technology. Opera's future seems uncertain as Firefox's growing popularity may hurt Opera by stealing potential customers. With Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Safari all free, is there room for a non-free browser in the market?""