There are very talented developers at Blizzard who can actually code for OpenGL. They are also a legend for supporting any hardware. They are the ones who implemented "multi threaded" OpenGL right after OS X supported it.
WoW is really a rarity just like any other Blizzard game. I don't expect too much from a $1000 notebook, I just wanted to tell the experience of integrated graphics even if it was developed and supported by CPU vendor (Intel) itself.
Firefox owns 20% of browser marketshare whatever Microsoft does and how many billions they sink to IE.
EULA could be a insurance in case.
If you look at any GNU software, they come with LICENSE file, it is not very different from EULA. It is just Firefox forces user to accept their terms before running it, just to have argument of "But we said so" in a court.
What if a "hot coffee" incident hits Firefox/Mozilla? Will the rich Ubuntu founder pay for them?
No, don't you dare to do such a thing buying Intel's claims.
Forget 8800, my Quad G5's NV6600 which is a scandal at Apple's part outperforms any 2008 integrated graphics.
I know you are being a bit sarcastic, just in case if anyone tries to do such thing:)
Looking at game boards really explains a lot about how integrated graphics (doesn't) perform. Even "integrated sound" itself is a huge joke taking down entire system performance.
I suggested my cousin to buy a "Macbook" (non Pro) trusting to its dual core Intel CPU and Intel X3100 integrated Graphics.
You should see how it doesn't perform on OS X and performs a little on Windows XP installed via bootcamp. The idea of installing XP via bootcamp to a Apple computer just to get game support and a bit performance shows the danger of GPU vendors death.
I don't think anyone can optimise better than Intel for Intel CPU, that should be even worse on other integrated graphics chip vendors.
"runs best on" has a far more evil alternative, "runs best on DirectX xx.xx on windows". At least with OpenGL, vendors such as Blizzard, ID Software can ship multiplatform games. Integrated graphics, no matter what Intel or their friends say, doesn't perform. Just look at the scandal system requirements of recent Intel only games for OS X. They keep saying "Integrated graphics not supported", I don't think they love the situation. I have seen a single game demo and its 3 FPS, right 3 FPS performance and became glad that cousin likes RTS kind of games:)
No, I don't joke. If I feel forced to use windows applications and games, I would go with Windows.
Long time before Ubuntu or other kind of stuff, I used Slackware Linux without WINE (it didn't work anyway) or any kind of dual booting as my only OS. Loki Games were alive and kicking that time so I purchased my games from them, running natively on Linux. I used Windows (as my only OS) a while and when I figured Desktop Linux won't serve to my kind of usage that time and only way to get full support is running Windows, I switched to OS X with G5.
Believe or not, there are some of us who doesn't "hate" windows but ignores it. While using Linux (and currently OSX/PPC), I don't buy anything which doesn't support my hardware and OS of choice. Not even a mouse.
If we weren't minority, the Linux and even OS X would be in very different shape now.
No, they are Trolltech Qt Applications and they run using native OS X functionality.
If people keep partying over non native Applications having same security risks and horrible programming model running on their OS, what you say will become reality.
OS X is under way bigger threat than Linux because of the market, community profile and the CPU. PowerPC was stopping the Windows junk making their way to OS X, not anymore.
At least Opera never claimed they "forgot" things and accidentally copied and pasted very critical parts of EULAs in their life, even while they were (non evil) Adware.
Mac and Linux users should reject Windows applications and games. If they can't, they should question their OS of choice.
Chicken and egg thing, even hurting OS X users who has more support from commercial companies.
If WINE and their commercial stuff like Cider has reached a point which allows an advanced windows application to be packed and ready to run in 6 days, companies won't spend too much time coding "real" stuff. They will keep shipping exe files masked as.bin or.app .
Believe or not, Apple gaming became worse after Intel CPU and Cider introduced. It is a matter of time and politics to get Internet Explorer to OS X land. Yes, the Microsoft windows one.
Yes, let nerds and technical users who wouldn't touch a byte of that privacy killer fork it and they stop bitching about it.
While on it, keep feeding data from the 98% percent, non technical users.
If it was Microsoft or even Apple (in recent mood), it was easy to put up a conspiracy theory like that but when it is Google, they will kill you. Not "them", people actually buying their "We are not evil" claim.
With their current policy, OS X and Linux users are lucky that they don't have a native Google browser on their systems. As you know, privacy defender/security apps aren't such advanced on both operating systems because of market.
If people like Webkit way of things, there is Apple Safari and Apple doesn't do such EULA tricks yet, especially on Windows. About "each tab on new process" ? Well, time to choose a less crashing browser;)
As you say Nokia and I am in process of uninstalling "Nokia Maps 2.0" from my Virtual PC (which may take up to hour), I can't resist not saying...
If Nokia wasn't such an idiotic company doing things like porting and locking their "Maps downloader", a money making app to.NET 3.0 right after purchasing Trolltech, the masters of multi platform application... Apple wouldn't dare to do amazingly stupid and image killing things like past week.
As far as I know, that sports tracker can use the maps data somehow and when you need it, don't even bother trying the software in any kind of virtualised windows environment. I can bet, it won't work.
Just look at http://apple.slashdot.org/ and read those headlines to understand my point. Apple iPhone/iPod department has totally lost it.
I remember posting 2-3 "insightful" replies clearing a developers paranoia about OS X Leopard sandbox/signed apps scheme months ago stating that it has nothing to do with evil plans and it is in fact a proactive security.
I started to think that I was speaking way too early in light of recent developments. Well, I am a PPC user and I won't buy a new CPU just to run new OS but... I am thinking about "Can Vista be fixed?" , "Does Linux really have place on home desktop?" questions and educating myself again about recent OEM x86 stuff. You get what I mean.
The entire "no flash", "nobody asks for java", "no multitasking" scheme has been setup for one reason: Nobody will code iTunes alternative for iPhone. Flash (lite) can happily stream video/audio and J2ME can happily download/play gigabytes of data interfacing with device.
Releasing Podcasting on iPhone breaks the entire reasoning behind shipping first usable Unix/NeXT handset and dumbing it down.
If Nokia, Sony, Samsung and dozen others did just 1% of what Apple did on their Symbian handsets, Symbian HQ in Finland would be nuked now.
They implemented "Platform security" and "Symbian Signed" because of a REAL reason such as actual working viruses and they still get hammered over it. It has nothing to do with DRM or anything either. It is just Java-Like sandbox technology. Whatever, I think everyone gets the idea... You can even sign your own.sis(x) with almost root access allowed freely (for single device) at ttp://www.symbiansigned.com too
It is amazing that Nokia and other Symbian foundation members, Microsoft and Sun (J2ME) missing this opportunity to show how liberal and free market their platforms are. I don't want Apple "crash", I am an OS X user myself, I just want those suits deciding these gets fired from Apple and Apple gets what it deserves... 80% of smartphone market. The stolen MacOS'es revenge to be exact.
I could never predict that one day I could show Nokia or Microsoft as example to liberalism. Thanks a lot iPhone management.
It is up to customer. If they have rejected to buy iPhone because of how Apple handles it, things could change.
Are they happily buying and lining up? Oh, some percentage of them hacks their iPhone, it doesn't matter to Apple at all. In fact, Apple would be happier since they have all void their warranty;)
I still don't get the point of Android and I am a Symbian/J2ME user. Google should explain why they don't put their force behind Symbian and J2ME instead.
If they released all their software to Symbian OS, at least S60 with high end device features (e.g. N95) simultaneously, that would teach Apple. It would be a great favour to Symbian users too. I am not speaking about high end,commercial software of course.
Not applying for iPhone competition or WWDC something doesn't match it.
Funny is, there is a huge fight in Symbian scene, people ask Nokia (the Godfather) why they gave up their "Download! for PC" which was working perfectly, years ago before iPhone was even mentioned.
Yes, believe or not, Nokia had "App store" on Windows OS at least and still has it inside every recent S60 phones ROM, not an option even, that app is on every phones root level menu. The result? Still not updated! I think Apple already knows the Symbian platform is not really competitive with current management so they feel comfortable taking decisions like that.
People have chosen Real because they invented the "streaming" part. Real was switching bandwidth, using UDP, allowing stuff for media guys to embed things even those times.
The "install 3rd party junk" came way later and FYI, abandoned by Real (along with people deciding) years ago.
With Flash, unless Adobe Media Server gets adopted, we went back like a decade. Embedding a FLV file and acting like streaming while downloading it over HTTP is not "Streaming".
If Apple guys weren't lazy, I would give example of a good streaming solution but for them, these days, quicktime is completely wasted. Putting a 10mbit h264 file to qtl file and telling Quicktime to "play" is not really what Quicktime framework is built for. (Qt trailers!)
What makes me particularly sad is, most of great inventions on Quicktime were done before Steve Jobs, while people argue whether Apple go Chapter 11 or taken over by MS... They became successful in such a bad time and couple of basic UI tweaks would make it de-facto standard for web video. Starting with "Play in fullscreen" inside Plugin right click menu. Well, opportunity is gone...
The lack of fullscreen playback without paying made Quicktime player the last choice while it could play almost anything. Remember if one has quicktime, he has plugin too. If it could play fullscreen without paying, lots of people would be using it and thanks to the framework logic, lots of companies would extend it.
Companies ship FLV videos because they know it is installed on every machine. Now imagine if Quicktime, a full feature dedicated plugin was there instead. It would be the natural choice.
Sadly, even Apple doesn't use Quicktime features. So the poor thing becomes blamed as "bulky".
Tell him to run Apple Hardware Test http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1509 I can bet on faulty memory chip or bad blocks on HD (yes they still exist) or a faulty logic board (mainboard).
Video editing software requires massive amount of reads/writes to memory and hard disk. It "triggers" the issue, not that it is the issue itself. In case it crashes the whole system while importing movies from Camera, the kernel extension or the IO port (e.g. Firewire/USB) is to blame of course.
I have checked archive.org , at one point in history (1996 or 1997) half of Web embedded videos were Quicktime and other half was MPEG.
I wonder what would happen if that idiot suit (sure it is not SJobs) didn't decide to ask for $30 to play fullscreen or make cut/paste editing. Just imagine it.
MacOS itself is NOT based on FreeBSD, hell in 10.2.x ages, BSD layer was even optional. Utility vendors were saying "Install BSD layer" in system requirements.
MacOS X is based on NeXT, it is naturally multiplatform, Apple could release "OS X and/or iLife for Windows" right tomorrow if they wanted to and if they have another "secret project in closet".
OS X is not just that simple, it is almost a schizoid mix of BSD Lite, FreeBSD, Mach, Cocoa and Carbon. The OS and Developer tools itself forces developer to code "OS X friendly" code. The closest thing to OS X is WindowMaker/GNUStep (which I have no clue why doesn't get support) or in sense of integration and application discipline, KDE.
Also how will Ubuntu boss force developers to do things in the recommended ways? OS X really, really bugs developers to "move on", it is usual to get messages like "The functionality this application uses is depreciated, in current versions it will generate this warning once, in the future, it will segfault" on OS X. Try saying a similar thing on Linux, see amount of forks overnight:)
What makes me sad is the lack of funding/support GNUSTep gets. They already have a full function framework which only suggests you to start your project on their stuff first (without Cocoa) and its child's toy to port it to OS X. You would say "Yes, everyone claims that". No, it is not an empty promise. GNUMail.app is already living proof that it can be easily done with single developer. http://www.collaboration-world.com/gnumail
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There are very talented developers at Blizzard who can actually code for OpenGL. They are also a legend for supporting any hardware. They are the ones who implemented "multi threaded" OpenGL right after OS X supported it.
WoW is really a rarity just like any other Blizzard game. I don't expect too much from a $1000 notebook, I just wanted to tell the experience of integrated graphics even if it was developed and supported by CPU vendor (Intel) itself.
Firefox owns 20% of browser marketshare whatever Microsoft does and how many billions they sink to IE.
EULA could be a insurance in case.
If you look at any GNU software, they come with LICENSE file, it is not very different from EULA. It is just Firefox forces user to accept their terms before running it, just to have argument of "But we said so" in a court.
What if a "hot coffee" incident hits Firefox/Mozilla? Will the rich Ubuntu founder pay for them?
No, don't you dare to do such a thing buying Intel's claims.
Forget 8800, my Quad G5's NV6600 which is a scandal at Apple's part outperforms any 2008 integrated graphics.
I know you are being a bit sarcastic, just in case if anyone tries to do such thing :)
Looking at game boards really explains a lot about how integrated graphics (doesn't) perform. Even "integrated sound" itself is a huge joke taking down entire system performance.
I suggested my cousin to buy a "Macbook" (non Pro) trusting to its dual core Intel CPU and Intel X3100 integrated Graphics.
You should see how it doesn't perform on OS X and performs a little on Windows XP installed via bootcamp. The idea of installing XP via bootcamp to a Apple computer just to get game support and a bit performance shows the danger of GPU vendors death.
I don't think anyone can optimise better than Intel for Intel CPU, that should be even worse on other integrated graphics chip vendors.
"runs best on" has a far more evil alternative, "runs best on DirectX xx.xx on windows". At least with OpenGL, vendors such as Blizzard, ID Software can ship multiplatform games. Integrated graphics, no matter what Intel or their friends say, doesn't perform. Just look at the scandal system requirements of recent Intel only games for OS X. They keep saying "Integrated graphics not supported", I don't think they love the situation. I have seen a single game demo and its 3 FPS, right 3 FPS performance and became glad that cousin likes RTS kind of games :)
No, I don't joke. If I feel forced to use windows applications and games, I would go with Windows.
Long time before Ubuntu or other kind of stuff, I used Slackware Linux without WINE (it didn't work anyway) or any kind of dual booting as my only OS. Loki Games were alive and kicking that time so I purchased my games from them, running natively on Linux. I used Windows (as my only OS) a while and when I figured Desktop Linux won't serve to my kind of usage that time and only way to get full support is running Windows, I switched to OS X with G5.
Believe or not, there are some of us who doesn't "hate" windows but ignores it. While using Linux (and currently OSX/PPC), I don't buy anything which doesn't support my hardware and OS of choice. Not even a mouse.
If we weren't minority, the Linux and even OS X would be in very different shape now.
It breaks privacy with default install options. No need to review code for such action. Even German Government warned their citizens about it.
No, they are Trolltech Qt Applications and they run using native OS X functionality.
If people keep partying over non native Applications having same security risks and horrible programming model running on their OS, what you say will become reality.
OS X is under way bigger threat than Linux because of the market, community profile and the CPU. PowerPC was stopping the Windows junk making their way to OS X, not anymore.
At least Opera never claimed they "forgot" things and accidentally copied and pasted very critical parts of EULAs in their life, even while they were (non evil) Adware.
Mac and Linux users should reject Windows applications and games. If they can't, they should question their OS of choice.
Chicken and egg thing, even hurting OS X users who has more support from commercial companies.
If WINE and their commercial stuff like Cider has reached a point which allows an advanced windows application to be packed and ready to run in 6 days, companies won't spend too much time coding "real" stuff. They will keep shipping exe files masked as .bin or .app .
Believe or not, Apple gaming became worse after Intel CPU and Cider introduced. It is a matter of time and politics to get Internet Explorer to OS X land. Yes, the Microsoft windows one.
Does Linux users, especially the newbies who just comes from Windows land need such a potential privacy killer?
They moved to Linux because their Windows became impossible to use since they kept not reading EULAs and leaving "default options" checked.
Yes, let nerds and technical users who wouldn't touch a byte of that privacy killer fork it and they stop bitching about it.
While on it, keep feeding data from the 98% percent, non technical users.
If it was Microsoft or even Apple (in recent mood), it was easy to put up a conspiracy theory like that but when it is Google, they will kill you. Not "them", people actually buying their "We are not evil" claim.
With their current policy, OS X and Linux users are lucky that they don't have a native Google browser on their systems. As you know, privacy defender/security apps aren't such advanced on both operating systems because of market.
OS X users should ask themselves, do they need another thing like that: http://daringfireball.net/2007/04/google_desktop_installer ?
If people like Webkit way of things, there is Apple Safari and Apple doesn't do such EULA tricks yet, especially on Windows. About "each tab on new process" ? Well, time to choose a less crashing browser ;)
As you say Nokia and I am in process of uninstalling "Nokia Maps 2.0" from my Virtual PC (which may take up to hour), I can't resist not saying...
If Nokia wasn't such an idiotic company doing things like porting and locking their "Maps downloader", a money making app to .NET 3.0 right after purchasing Trolltech, the masters of multi platform application... Apple wouldn't dare to do amazingly stupid and image killing things like past week.
As far as I know, that sports tracker can use the maps data somehow and when you need it, don't even bother trying the software in any kind of virtualised windows environment. I can bet, it won't work.
Just look at http://apple.slashdot.org/ and read those headlines to understand my point. Apple iPhone/iPod department has totally lost it.
Well, if they say so, no need to investigate further and in fact no point of running WINE or Virtual Windows.
Rejecting to buy products which doesn't support your operating system is way to go.
I remember posting 2-3 "insightful" replies clearing a developers paranoia about OS X Leopard sandbox/signed apps scheme months ago stating that it has nothing to do with evil plans and it is in fact a proactive security.
I started to think that I was speaking way too early in light of recent developments. Well, I am a PPC user and I won't buy a new CPU just to run new OS but... I am thinking about "Can Vista be fixed?" , "Does Linux really have place on home desktop?" questions and educating myself again about recent OEM x86 stuff. You get what I mean.
I am not playing word games here. I started to get embarrassed of being Apple owner because of their fans a long time ago.
The needless "hurry" and pissing contest has hit both Microsoft and Apple, it is really hard to understand why they hurry.
It is not just iPod/iPhone... Look at Vista first edition, Leopard 10.5.0 and lately, iTunes 8 for Windows.
What do they have to prove? What would happen if Vista and Leopard was delayed for more testing? What is that hurry for?
The entire "no flash", "nobody asks for java", "no multitasking" scheme has been setup for one reason: Nobody will code iTunes alternative for iPhone. Flash (lite) can happily stream video/audio and J2ME can happily download/play gigabytes of data interfacing with device.
Releasing Podcasting on iPhone breaks the entire reasoning behind shipping first usable Unix/NeXT handset and dumbing it down.
If Nokia, Sony, Samsung and dozen others did just 1% of what Apple did on their Symbian handsets, Symbian HQ in Finland would be nuked now.
They implemented "Platform security" and "Symbian Signed" because of a REAL reason such as actual working viruses and they still get hammered over it. It has nothing to do with DRM or anything either. It is just Java-Like sandbox technology. Whatever, I think everyone gets the idea... You can even sign your own .sis(x) with almost root access allowed freely (for single device) at ttp://www.symbiansigned.com too
It is amazing that Nokia and other Symbian foundation members, Microsoft and Sun (J2ME) missing this opportunity to show how liberal and free market their platforms are. I don't want Apple "crash", I am an OS X user myself, I just want those suits deciding these gets fired from Apple and Apple gets what it deserves... 80% of smartphone market. The stolen MacOS'es revenge to be exact.
I could never predict that one day I could show Nokia or Microsoft as example to liberalism. Thanks a lot iPhone management.
It is up to customer. If they have rejected to buy iPhone because of how Apple handles it, things could change.
Are they happily buying and lining up? Oh, some percentage of them hacks their iPhone, it doesn't matter to Apple at all. In fact, Apple would be happier since they have all void their warranty ;)
I still don't get the point of Android and I am a Symbian/J2ME user. Google should explain why they don't put their force behind Symbian and J2ME instead.
If they released all their software to Symbian OS, at least S60 with high end device features (e.g. N95) simultaneously, that would teach Apple. It would be a great favour to Symbian users too. I am not speaking about high end,commercial software of course.
Not applying for iPhone competition or WWDC something doesn't match it.
Funny is, there is a huge fight in Symbian scene, people ask Nokia (the Godfather) why they gave up their "Download! for PC" which was working perfectly, years ago before iPhone was even mentioned.
Yes, believe or not, Nokia had "App store" on Windows OS at least and still has it inside every recent S60 phones ROM, not an option even, that app is on every phones root level menu. The result? Still not updated! I think Apple already knows the Symbian platform is not really competitive with current management so they feel comfortable taking decisions like that.
People have chosen Real because they invented the "streaming" part. Real was switching bandwidth, using UDP, allowing stuff for media guys to embed things even those times.
The "install 3rd party junk" came way later and FYI, abandoned by Real (along with people deciding) years ago.
With Flash, unless Adobe Media Server gets adopted, we went back like a decade. Embedding a FLV file and acting like streaming while downloading it over HTTP is not "Streaming".
If Apple guys weren't lazy, I would give example of a good streaming solution but for them, these days, quicktime is completely wasted. Putting a 10mbit h264 file to qtl file and telling Quicktime to "play" is not really what Quicktime framework is built for. (Qt trailers!)
What makes me particularly sad is, most of great inventions on Quicktime were done before Steve Jobs, while people argue whether Apple go Chapter 11 or taken over by MS... They became successful in such a bad time and couple of basic UI tweaks would make it de-facto standard for web video. Starting with "Play in fullscreen" inside Plugin right click menu. Well, opportunity is gone...
The lack of fullscreen playback without paying made Quicktime player the last choice while it could play almost anything. Remember if one has quicktime, he has plugin too. If it could play fullscreen without paying, lots of people would be using it and thanks to the framework logic, lots of companies would extend it.
Companies ship FLV videos because they know it is installed on every machine. Now imagine if Quicktime, a full feature dedicated plugin was there instead. It would be the natural choice.
Sadly, even Apple doesn't use Quicktime features. So the poor thing becomes blamed as "bulky".
Tell him to run Apple Hardware Test
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1509
I can bet on faulty memory chip or bad blocks on HD (yes they still exist) or a faulty logic board (mainboard).
Video editing software requires massive amount of reads/writes to memory and hard disk. It "triggers" the issue, not that it is the issue itself. In case it crashes the whole system while importing movies from Camera, the kernel extension or the IO port (e.g. Firewire/USB) is to blame of course.
I have checked archive.org , at one point in history (1996 or 1997) half of Web embedded videos were Quicktime and other half was MPEG.
I wonder what would happen if that idiot suit (sure it is not SJobs) didn't decide to ask for $30 to play fullscreen or make cut/paste editing. Just imagine it.
MacOS itself is NOT based on FreeBSD, hell in 10.2.x ages, BSD layer was even optional. Utility vendors were saying "Install BSD layer" in system requirements.
MacOS X is based on NeXT, it is naturally multiplatform, Apple could release "OS X and/or iLife for Windows" right tomorrow if they wanted to and if they have another "secret project in closet".
NeXT lives as OpenStep/GNUStep and already available for Windows
http://www.gnustep.org/images/full-screenshot1.png
OS X is not just that simple, it is almost a schizoid mix of BSD Lite, FreeBSD, Mach, Cocoa and Carbon. The OS and Developer tools itself forces developer to code "OS X friendly" code. The closest thing to OS X is WindowMaker/GNUStep (which I have no clue why doesn't get support) or in sense of integration and application discipline, KDE.
Also how will Ubuntu boss force developers to do things in the recommended ways? OS X really, really bugs developers to "move on", it is usual to get messages like "The functionality this application uses is depreciated, in current versions it will generate this warning once, in the future, it will segfault" on OS X. Try saying a similar thing on Linux, see amount of forks overnight :)
What makes me sad is the lack of funding/support GNUSTep gets. They already have a full function framework which only suggests you to start your project on their stuff first (without Cocoa) and its child's toy to port it to OS X. You would say "Yes, everyone claims that". No, it is not an empty promise. GNUMail.app is already living proof that it can be easily done with single developer.
http://www.collaboration-world.com/gnumail