Apple OS X marks the _executable_ files which are downloaded from internet, once only (if they weren't maliciously replaced). I saw MS copied it on XP3 completely wrong. The MS photocopy will make users click happy indeed.
If user replaces an executable by hand, e.g. new version- drag/drop overwriting old executable, it doesn't ask.
Also, if Developer is not lazy or doesn't have a philosophical reason to ignore free application signing (Adium/Omniweb has signed binaries), user is never, ever prompted when executable replaced legimately (app firewall). If the binary is hacked , the Firewall directly stops its "server" functions.
I have tried Java 6 on MS Virtual PC 7 running XP SP3, running on emulation, on my quad G5.
I bet people already call me crazy for it. Guess what? I went to dslreports.com , used their RWIN testing/fixing tool (Java applet!) and it was almost responsive as OS X Java 5.
If you tried benchmarking Sun Java between current Solaris and Windows Server 2003, the result may surprise you.
Already happened. MS advertises Silverlight 2 beta heavily while there is no OS X version of it on sight. Linux/FreeBSD? It is up to their lover, Icaza if they share specs.
They even time it wrong, this game should have started after crashing Flash with questionable deals (like Olympics), not before it is taken serious, even by them.
Well, while they are playing their rich kid games, I already bought my first Adobe Air based commercial application. Upgrade to Earth Browser ( http://www.earthbrowser.com/ ) and I already made "Adobe Media Player" on machines a default install, Windows and OS X.
Let them keep playing with Ruby and newbie geeks minds. Adobe Air is already up and running.
It promises a future option, embedded customized/earthbrowser to put into websites for registered users. I think it will happen thanks to Adobe Air's flash roots.
As far as I understand, it auto downloads file to desktop without even prompting the user. As a OS X user, I know once the user minimizes the download window, it never comes back unless user clicks it from "Window" menu so there is a huge chance of stealth download to desktop, a black hat companies dream.
I think Apple's term "Photocopy" is a great thing to say to Redmond. It is not just being politely accusing, it is actually photocopying the OS X, you know the photocopy can never be like original.
They got a good concept from Apple who had to include it because of their own scandal and forgot the LAN?! The king of enterprise desktop?
Lets hope they photocopy the "You are launching xxxxx first time. Are you sure you want to run this application?" right:) I mean, it better remember it:)
MS copied a good concept of OS X Tiger+ (it has own stupid security story) and I noticed XP SP3 asks "Are you sure you want to run this file downloaded from internet" or something when you try to run a.exe file.
The problem is, a person who doesn't have enough security sense to run a unknown file to "see" what it is will likely say "yes" to that question. When you want to figure out a file, you double click. Hope they got good AV installed.
Ironically it is Safari which bugs OS X users about downloaded.exe files even while Mac was PowerPC and only way of running.exe programs was running it from MS Virtual PC (and couple of other emulators). I guess it even analyses the header of file and asks if user wants to download it after it hits 5-7%.
Apple should hire experienced Windows only developers who can easily predict the potential huge danger of this issue. The potential of it can be only seen by a experienced Windows developer, especially lived the 2001-2003 spyware nightmare.
It belongs to YRO topic in fact. Your rights online.
They should put all ODF stories to YRO and people which will soon have to pirate/install/forced to buy Office 08 or Office 08.NET subscription (oops crackers!) to read a frigging 2 page document can easily ignore them.;)
Funny is, most of the "iPhone hater trolls" myself included are all Apple Desktop users. We had some great expectations from Apple such as "Desktop/Mobile software boundary is over", actual desktop Java instead of J2ME, true desktop Flash 9 on device.
Can you imagine the smart phone scene if Apple didn't chicken for some mysterious reasons and shipped a operator/software locked iPod phone?
Only people who are happy with such limited/closed device is ATT and their rivals like Nokia, Sony Ericsson.
Nokia/Symbian funded S60.com site slogan is "Open to new features". Guess where that comes from?
What do you expect from an iPod? Play media with a very usable GUI. Anything else? Simple games maybe. They are all included. It works perfect so it crushed their enemies, made them irrelevant.
Apple thought Symbian using, theme changing, 3rd party software downloading/buying 40% Smart Phone market majority will see the fruit logo and magically convert to iPhone.
It was a horrible mistake at least in Europe.
You can see Symbian user maniacally downloading/trying/buying things but make no mistake, they are very afraid of hacking anything on device, even resident legal programs which acts like hacking things gets the boot.
Look at just one companies offerings for Symbian devices: http://shop.psiloc.com/en/ Almost none of them are possible on iPhone with such EULA. As a serious company, will they teach how to break EULA/Warranty of another commercial company and also ask money for it? I didn't even mention the huge J2ME Universe.
My Nokia E65 Symbian phone automatically changes profile based on where I am and it has a $20 universal remote, it is also used as a Skype/Multi IM client (Fring) that I gave up the computer based ones for it. Now, as an Apple Desktop user, I will see the iPhone, throw away this thing and buy iPhone to be part of 10M people. Yea, right.
Apple execs should have spent more time in Europe, especially watching how Nokia/Sony Ericsson or even J2ME phones are used.
Nokia and Sony Ericsson true smart phones have all third party software (or native) support for Exchange and even Blackberry.
Some companies buy thousand of same enterprise model of Nokia devices and remotely manage them even installing/updating software over the air. They also have huge choice, a free market to choose any software vendors any software product. If you have a great software, you can race with Nokia's own offerings and even demand to get advertised on Nokia's software catalogue. Can you picture a 3rd party mail application on iPhone?
Another thing is... What if Win CE vendor doesn't like the iPhone sales numbers and "embrace and extend" already closed exchange protocol?
They seem to insist on that horrible mistake. We got Vodafone in Turkey, they tookover the network of Telsim, a fscked up company. For Apple's user profile, make no mistake, "Turkcell" exists which is the choice of rich/educated/high spending profile. For example, RIM (Blackberry) directly chose Turkcell without any doubt.
There are 120.000 iPhones in Turkey which are all hacked/jail broken (Official Network assoc.. number). From experience I know the 98% of them are easily Turkcell customers. Turkcell has also the largest coverage and high end equipment which they say, it is just a software switch to set 3G. on (Vodafone guys prevented them getting license). Funny is, Apple TR or Apple USA can get such numbers basically via looking up the 530-539 area code range (Turkcell) on their user registration database, they will see the overhelming majority.
Guess the company Apple chose to deal in Turkey? Vodafone! Vodafone guys are bragging that they got the deal, threatening 120.000 users that they won't get service/support. What a great way to begin business yes?
Anyway, I had my own reasons for not buying iPhone such as 3rd party software lock and no java. Now, as I just think "Well, I can buy it and use without hacking it next to my Symbian", Vodafone which actually does not cover my freaking house (yes!) gets in the way too!
PS: No official word from Apple.com yet, hopefully they won't validate that happy GSM provider.
Revision3 is one of the most important/famous figures on "new media", they don't need such advertisement and they also have huge advertising deals with huge companies to air.
I still wonder how come a registered company in USA (or any country) dares to DOS attack another legal company, a high profile one like that. It is not a high tech fan thing, it is a serious crime, a police/FBI thing.
As you say that fact, they also attacked/disabled following companies paid advertising too: "Revision3 has attracted a wide-range of top advertisers including Sony, Netflix, Dolby, Microsoft, IBM, HP, Southern Comfort, Virgin America, Verizon and FX Networks." http://revision3.com/about/ If there were ads of them in attacked/undelivered content, as far as I know, they can sue Media Defender too. It seems Media Defender hit a very wrong target this time.
I met with many serious/pro developers and when you speak about Linux to them, Eazel is always mentioned as a legend. As I use Mac, they are all Mac developers too, you know their attitude against Linux and UI.
If we trust to Wikipedia: "Eazel's main achievement was the new Nautilus file manager for the GNOME desktop environment.[3] Its business plan involved monetizing online services to be offered through Nautilus such as storage, but it failed to do so before venture capital ran out."
Another 56K modem failure? You know you could start Youtube back in 1999 but nobody could use it except companies/universities. Don't forget the FBI knocking your door with 20 Hollywood lawyers too:)
The only issue with 10.4-->10.5 on my 2 Macs was basically Apple hiring everyone with some good CV and Unix background. Looks like they have never thought of tradition of keeping home directory on external firewire/secondary internal disk while implementing such a massive change (Netinfo).
It can be fixed with "Repair ACL permissions" implemented on the "reset password utility" on Leopard boot DVD easily but that is one thing I figured they aren't very selective hiring people. They should hire people who actually knows how Mac users use their systems. Most pro photographers/DTP guys I know has their home directories in Firewire external disks or secondary internal hard disks. They have very good reasons too. All of them got into massive panic when they saw Desktop etc. missing:)
Lets not forget the PPC/Intel Mini users, most of them buy a good Firewire external HD (Lacie even released a model for it) and get rid of that horrible internal laptop thing for booting. I think Apple doesn't know how their products are used.
If you have a broadband connection, act like us, old fashion guys.
Run Terminal (if you don't want to buy a dl manager), get the "combo" with curl (all OS X 'es have it,pre installed) or use a user friendly extension to firefox like "flashgot" which can use curl. Just launch the installer from DMG.
The good thing is, you can write it to a CD-RW or USB Key. I always keep last "combo release" on a backup disk replacing the previous one. It is also a great favor to Mac using friends if they come by.
Another thing before I forget: It is NEVER 500 MB for all updates installed end user. If you have 10.5.2 installed, it could be 60-70 MB download for software update. The "combo" won't be 500MB too. It is the developer "seed" they talk about/leak.
It is "developer seed" and "combo". It means, it is not end user version and in mac land, combo means "zero patch, all files updated since 10.5.0 with all language resources".
Vista/XP does very aggressive patching on windows update. If a Mac general end user who kept his/her system up to date with software update sees 10.5.3 , it will be almost 5x smaller (or even less) than the 500 mb you see.
Also, "Developer Seeds" may have symbols, debug stuff implemented on them, they are intended for developers and never cleaned up like end user shipments. It is never a "lets download, copy the what's new and leak to some site" kind of file release:)
I don't want to get in too much details but the Apple's userbase are known to change icons, remove/add languages thanks to unique HFS+ filesystem. On Mac land, you can only trust to binaries to patch. It is another reason why Apple or any Mac software vendor can't ship pure patches except binary patchers. For example, people keep changing safari.app icon, it is trivial on OS X since only the resource portion is changed or they remove languages (not good on Leopard btw) from their applications.
As a device manufacturer, they know the power of Qt on portable applications and the future. It is not like the "Nokia wants to kill Qt!" too. They see the actual future where there is no such thing like "Mobile OS", "Mobile Java (J2ME)".
It won't surprise me if they become the first vendor to implement actual desktop Java to devices. I was expecting such revolutionary moves from Apple but you have seen what they did.
I was giving Webkit example for a simple reason. AOL spent millions to Mozilla primarily the Gecko rendering engine. What happened? They had to take comical decisions like using MSHTML rendering in their flagship products. Why? Gecko didn't deliver what they need.
Why did Apple (and recently Nokia) chosen KHTML? It is clear from beginning.
""Not only were they the basis of an excellent, modern and standards-compliant Web browser, they were also less than 140,000 lines of code. The size of your code and ease of development within that code made it a better choice for us than other open-source projects.""
The issue is, why it is big for Symbian devices? I can't add RAM to Symbian device and I won't upgrade to Nokia E66 which is said to have 256M RAM with paging. Opera's arch allows them to ship same engine for zillions of devices with weird configurations. Mozilla on the other hand?
Webkit is nice but it doesn't have Small Screen Rendering and Nokia can't put $600 pseudo smart things as only option to market with insane DPI displays. I think webkit is a mistake, at least they should promote Opera browser via their "Download!" application built in. As a customer of them, I already said to them that they are being childish hiding Opera option from user.
I remember my first smart phone, the legendary 7650. It had 3.6 MB of RAM and still Opera could work.
Mozilla's another purpose was something else, the "Gecko" thing. We should ask AOL guys why they lost interest in Mozilla project, they may have interesting things to say.
Even its 2 years old (9.5 soon) version 8.65 works ages ahead of built in Webkit Nokia thing.
Also keep in mind that "E" series are actually Enterprise/Business oriented. Expect built in VPN or PBX from them but not very good multimedia. "N" series are the lifestyle friendly stuff.
Nokia music player isn't great but unlike iPhone, you got lots of options. Closed source, open source, commercial or freeware.
BTW, a device upgrade doesn't mean they don't give a heck to older product. Especially Symbian devices keep on getting supported/ software updated. Even my 9300 works very fine except the fact that it runs a rare Symbian version (S80) so third party is a bit problematic.
As a side note, every Symbian device made recently (not sure about year) supports Bluetooth keyboards. There are some very nice bluetooth keyboards which are very small. E.g. Logitech stuff. Another option is to use the sci-fi http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ laser keyboard.
Also if iPhone user friends talk too much, you just use the keyboard asking them how many jailbreak hacks they need for it. Good iPhone muter as bonus;)
It is not inaccurate. You AREN'T ALLOWED TO JAILBREAK. You lose support and you are hacking a device with a third party thing to get SSH (read: Secure Shell Access) without any support from vendor. All of that for $600 and no real keyboard while even lowest end Symbian S60 phones can have actual bluetooth keyboard working or a laser keyboard if you don't mind people staring.
It is not your fault, not the guys fault coding jailbreak for free, it is Apple and the fanatics of Apple who can't resist declining to buy a closed/locked device in 2008.
You know what? A simple phone (sub $100!) without Symbian/WinCE can do SSH, over J2ME ssh. No hacking etc. involved, click and install.
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Apple OS X marks the _executable_ files which are downloaded from internet, once only (if they weren't maliciously replaced). I saw MS copied it on XP3 completely wrong. The MS photocopy will make users click happy indeed.
.app people still doesn't sign their applications. http://adiumx.com/blog/2008/04/adium-application-security-and-your-keychain/
If user replaces an executable by hand, e.g. new version- drag/drop overwriting old executable, it doesn't ask.
Also, if Developer is not lazy or doesn't have a philosophical reason to ignore free application signing (Adium/Omniweb has signed binaries), user is never, ever prompted when executable replaced legimately (app firewall). If the binary is hacked , the Firewall directly stops its "server" functions.
I understand the GNU command line guys but I don't get why normal
I have tried Java 6 on MS Virtual PC 7 running XP SP3, running on emulation, on my quad G5.
I bet people already call me crazy for it. Guess what? I went to dslreports.com , used their RWIN testing/fixing tool (Java applet!) and it was almost responsive as OS X Java 5.
If you tried benchmarking Sun Java between current Solaris and Windows Server 2003, the result may surprise you.
Already happened. MS advertises Silverlight 2 beta heavily while there is no OS X version of it on sight. Linux/FreeBSD? It is up to their lover, Icaza if they share specs.
They even time it wrong, this game should have started after crashing Flash with questionable deals (like Olympics), not before it is taken serious, even by them.
Well, while they are playing their rich kid games, I already bought my first Adobe Air based commercial application. Upgrade to Earth Browser ( http://www.earthbrowser.com/ ) and I already made "Adobe Media Player" on machines a default install, Windows and OS X.
Let them keep playing with Ruby and newbie geeks minds. Adobe Air is already up and running.
Earth Browser recently got a major upgrade which runs in Adobe Air environment. http://www.earthbrowser.com/
It promises a future option, embedded customized/earthbrowser to put into websites for registered users. I think it will happen thanks to Adobe Air's flash roots.
It is a shareware program.
You don't need such advanced tricks. Even if you put "If you double click this, you are an idiot.exe" file to users desktop, lots of them will run it.
I am not joking, as far as I remember some security company actually did a test like that.
As far as I understand, it auto downloads file to desktop without even prompting the user. As a OS X user, I know once the user minimizes the download window, it never comes back unless user clicks it from "Window" menu so there is a huge chance of stealth download to desktop, a black hat companies dream.
I think Apple's term "Photocopy" is a great thing to say to Redmond. It is not just being politely accusing, it is actually photocopying the OS X, you know the photocopy can never be like original.
:) I mean, it better remember it :)
They got a good concept from Apple who had to include it because of their own scandal and forgot the LAN?! The king of enterprise desktop?
Lets hope they photocopy the "You are launching xxxxx first time. Are you sure you want to run this application?" right
MS copied a good concept of OS X Tiger+ (it has own stupid security story) and I noticed XP SP3 asks "Are you sure you want to run this file downloaded from internet" or something when you try to run a .exe file.
.exe files even while Mac was PowerPC and only way of running .exe programs was running it from MS Virtual PC (and couple of other emulators). I guess it even analyses the header of file and asks if user wants to download it after it hits 5-7%.
The problem is, a person who doesn't have enough security sense to run a unknown file to "see" what it is will likely say "yes" to that question. When you want to figure out a file, you double click. Hope they got good AV installed.
Ironically it is Safari which bugs OS X users about downloaded
Apple should hire experienced Windows only developers who can easily predict the potential huge danger of this issue. The potential of it can be only seen by a experienced Windows developer, especially lived the 2001-2003 spyware nightmare.
It belongs to YRO topic in fact. Your rights online.
.NET subscription (oops crackers!) to read a frigging 2 page document can easily ignore them. ;)
They should put all ODF stories to YRO and people which will soon have to pirate/install/forced to buy Office 08 or Office 08
Funny is, most of the "iPhone hater trolls" myself included are all Apple Desktop users. We had some great expectations from Apple such as "Desktop/Mobile software boundary is over", actual desktop Java instead of J2ME, true desktop Flash 9 on device.
Can you imagine the smart phone scene if Apple didn't chicken for some mysterious reasons and shipped a operator/software locked iPod phone?
Only people who are happy with such limited/closed device is ATT and their rivals like Nokia, Sony Ericsson.
Nokia/Symbian funded S60.com site slogan is "Open to new features". Guess where that comes from?
What do you expect from an iPod? Play media with a very usable GUI. Anything else? Simple games maybe. They are all included. It works perfect so it crushed their enemies, made them irrelevant.
Apple thought Symbian using, theme changing, 3rd party software downloading/buying 40% Smart Phone market majority will see the fruit logo and magically convert to iPhone.
It was a horrible mistake at least in Europe.
You can see Symbian user maniacally downloading/trying/buying things but make no mistake, they are very afraid of hacking anything on device, even resident legal programs which acts like hacking things gets the boot.
Look at just one companies offerings for Symbian devices: http://shop.psiloc.com/en/ Almost none of them are possible on iPhone with such EULA. As a serious company, will they teach how to break EULA/Warranty of another commercial company and also ask money for it? I didn't even mention the huge J2ME Universe.
My Nokia E65 Symbian phone automatically changes profile based on where I am and it has a $20 universal remote, it is also used as a Skype/Multi IM client (Fring) that I gave up the computer based ones for it. Now, as an Apple Desktop user, I will see the iPhone, throw away this thing and buy iPhone to be part of 10M people. Yea, right.
Apple execs should have spent more time in Europe, especially watching how Nokia/Sony Ericsson or even J2ME phones are used.
Nokia and Sony Ericsson true smart phones have all third party software (or native) support for Exchange and even Blackberry.
Some companies buy thousand of same enterprise model of Nokia devices and remotely manage them even installing/updating software over the air. They also have huge choice, a free market to choose any software vendors any software product. If you have a great software, you can race with Nokia's own offerings and even demand to get advertised on Nokia's software catalogue. Can you picture a 3rd party mail application on iPhone?
Another thing is... What if Win CE vendor doesn't like the iPhone sales numbers and "embrace and extend" already closed exchange protocol?
They seem to insist on that horrible mistake. We got Vodafone in Turkey, they tookover the network of Telsim, a fscked up company. For Apple's user profile, make no mistake, "Turkcell" exists which is the choice of rich/educated/high spending profile. For example, RIM (Blackberry) directly chose Turkcell without any doubt.
There are 120.000 iPhones in Turkey which are all hacked/jail broken (Official Network assoc.. number). From experience I know the 98% of them are easily Turkcell customers. Turkcell has also the largest coverage and high end equipment which they say, it is just a software switch to set 3G. on (Vodafone guys prevented them getting license). Funny is, Apple TR or Apple USA can get such numbers basically via looking up the 530-539 area code range (Turkcell) on their user registration database, they will see the overhelming majority.
Guess the company Apple chose to deal in Turkey? Vodafone! Vodafone guys are bragging that they got the deal, threatening 120.000 users that they won't get service/support. What a great way to begin business yes?
Anyway, I had my own reasons for not buying iPhone such as 3rd party software lock and no java. Now, as I just think "Well, I can buy it and use without hacking it next to my Symbian", Vodafone which actually does not cover my freaking house (yes!) gets in the way too!
PS: No official word from Apple.com yet, hopefully they won't validate that happy GSM provider.
Revision3 is one of the most important/famous figures on "new media", they don't need such advertisement and they also have huge advertising deals with huge companies to air.
I still wonder how come a registered company in USA (or any country) dares to DOS attack another legal company, a high profile one like that. It is not a high tech fan thing, it is a serious crime, a police/FBI thing.
As you say that fact, they also attacked/disabled following companies paid advertising too:
"Revision3 has attracted a wide-range of top advertisers including Sony, Netflix, Dolby, Microsoft, IBM, HP, Southern Comfort, Virgin America, Verizon and FX Networks."
http://revision3.com/about/
If there were ads of them in attacked/undelivered content, as far as I know, they can sue Media Defender too.
It seems Media Defender hit a very wrong target this time.
I met with many serious/pro developers and when you speak about Linux to them, Eazel is always mentioned as a legend. As I use Mac, they are all Mac developers too, you know their attitude against Linux and UI.
:)
If we trust to Wikipedia:
"Eazel's main achievement was the new Nautilus file manager for the GNOME desktop environment.[3] Its business plan involved monetizing online services to be offered through Nautilus such as storage, but it failed to do so before venture capital ran out."
Another 56K modem failure? You know you could start Youtube back in 1999 but nobody could use it except companies/universities. Don't forget the FBI knocking your door with 20 Hollywood lawyers too
The only issue with 10.4-->10.5 on my 2 Macs was basically Apple hiring everyone with some good CV and Unix background. Looks like they have never thought of tradition of keeping home directory on external firewire/secondary internal disk while implementing such a massive change (Netinfo).
:)
It can be fixed with "Repair ACL permissions" implemented on the "reset password utility" on Leopard boot DVD easily but that is one thing I figured they aren't very selective hiring people. They should hire people who actually knows how Mac users use their systems. Most pro photographers/DTP guys I know has their home directories in Firewire external disks or secondary internal hard disks. They have very good reasons too. All of them got into massive panic when they saw Desktop etc. missing
Lets not forget the PPC/Intel Mini users, most of them buy a good Firewire external HD (Lacie even released a model for it) and get rid of that horrible internal laptop thing for booting. I think Apple doesn't know how their products are used.
If you have a broadband connection, act like us, old fashion guys.
Run Terminal (if you don't want to buy a dl manager), get the "combo" with curl (all OS X 'es have it,pre installed) or use a user friendly extension to firefox like "flashgot" which can use curl. Just launch the installer from DMG.
The good thing is, you can write it to a CD-RW or USB Key. I always keep last "combo release" on a backup disk replacing the previous one. It is also a great favor to Mac using friends if they come by.
Another thing before I forget: It is NEVER 500 MB for all updates installed end user. If you have 10.5.2 installed, it could be 60-70 MB download for software update. The "combo" won't be 500MB too. It is the developer "seed" they talk about/leak.
It is "developer seed" and "combo". It means, it is not end user version and in mac land, combo means "zero patch, all files updated since 10.5.0 with all language resources".
:)
Vista/XP does very aggressive patching on windows update. If a Mac general end user who kept his/her system up to date with software update sees 10.5.3 , it will be almost 5x smaller (or even less) than the 500 mb you see.
Also, "Developer Seeds" may have symbols, debug stuff implemented on them, they are intended for developers and never cleaned up like end user shipments. It is never a "lets download, copy the what's new and leak to some site" kind of file release
I don't want to get in too much details but the Apple's userbase are known to change icons, remove/add languages thanks to unique HFS+ filesystem. On Mac land, you can only trust to binaries to patch. It is another reason why Apple or any Mac software vendor can't ship pure patches except binary patchers. For example, people keep changing safari.app icon, it is trivial on OS X since only the resource portion is changed or they remove languages (not good on Leopard btw) from their applications.
As a device manufacturer, they know the power of Qt on portable applications and the future. It is not like the "Nokia wants to kill Qt!" too. They see the actual future where there is no such thing like "Mobile OS", "Mobile Java (J2ME)".
It won't surprise me if they become the first vendor to implement actual desktop Java to devices. I was expecting such revolutionary moves from Apple but you have seen what they did.
I was giving Webkit example for a simple reason. AOL spent millions to Mozilla primarily the Gecko rendering engine. What happened? They had to take comical decisions like using MSHTML rendering in their flagship products. Why? Gecko didn't deliver what they need.
Why did Apple (and recently Nokia) chosen KHTML? It is clear from beginning.
http://news.cnet.com/Apple-snub-stings-Mozilla/2100-1023_3-980492.html
""Not only were they the basis of an excellent, modern and standards-compliant Web browser, they were also less than 140,000 lines of code. The size of your code and ease of development within that code made it a better choice for us than other open-source projects.""
The issue is, why it is big for Symbian devices? I can't add RAM to Symbian device and I won't upgrade to Nokia E66 which is said to have 256M RAM with paging. Opera's arch allows them to ship same engine for zillions of devices with weird configurations. Mozilla on the other hand?
Webkit is nice but it doesn't have Small Screen Rendering and Nokia can't put $600 pseudo smart things as only option to market with insane DPI displays. I think webkit is a mistake, at least they should promote Opera browser via their "Download!" application built in. As a customer of them, I already said to them that they are being childish hiding Opera option from user.
I remember my first smart phone, the legendary 7650. It had 3.6 MB of RAM and still Opera could work.
Mozilla's another purpose was something else, the "Gecko" thing. We should ask AOL guys why they lost interest in Mozilla project, they may have interesting things to say.
Can't you buy/use real Opera Mobile for it?
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/
Even its 2 years old (9.5 soon) version 8.65 works ages ahead of built in Webkit Nokia thing.
Also keep in mind that "E" series are actually Enterprise/Business oriented. Expect built in VPN or PBX from them but not very good multimedia. "N" series are the lifestyle friendly stuff.
Nokia music player isn't great but unlike iPhone, you got lots of options. Closed source, open source, commercial or freeware.
Nokia shipped E90 , actual Symbian S60 running Laptop phone (I can easily say).
;)
http://europe.nokia.com/e90
BTW, a device upgrade doesn't mean they don't give a heck to older product. Especially Symbian devices keep on getting supported/ software updated. Even my 9300 works very fine except the fact that it runs a rare Symbian version (S80) so third party is a bit problematic.
As a side note, every Symbian device made recently (not sure about year) supports Bluetooth keyboards. There are some very nice bluetooth keyboards which are very small. E.g. Logitech stuff. Another option is to use the sci-fi http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ laser keyboard.
Also if iPhone user friends talk too much, you just use the keyboard asking them how many jailbreak hacks they need for it. Good iPhone muter as bonus
Because Steve Jobs wanted so. It is the iPhone for you.
As an Apple user, I am totally clueless why people actually even care about iPhone if they want a real smart phone.
I am sure someone can horribly hack the iPhone and switch on whatever they disabled on software but why bother?
It also means they can't get the laser keyboard thing http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/
It is not inaccurate. You AREN'T ALLOWED TO JAILBREAK. You lose support and you are hacking a device with a third party thing to get SSH (read: Secure Shell Access) without any support from vendor. All of that for $600 and no real keyboard while even lowest end Symbian S60 phones can have actual bluetooth keyboard working or a laser keyboard if you don't mind people staring.
It is not your fault, not the guys fault coding jailbreak for free, it is Apple and the fanatics of Apple who can't resist declining to buy a closed/locked device in 2008.
You know what? A simple phone (sub $100!) without Symbian/WinCE can do SSH, over J2ME ssh. No hacking etc. involved, click and install.