Can you people take a break from posting FUD against QT and now Nokia?
QT is _nothing_ if it loses its legendary multi platform support and the open source scene.
You know what this ransom note(!) means? "If you want Linux on smart phones, live with reality or we will keep enhancing Symbian OS which offers things real World needs."
I got a comment in same context along with registered trademark symbols. I am just counting seconds before someone got fooled by Icaza or basically working for a Web 2.0 marketing company come up with "but there is Mono"... I will ask a single working, commercial application coded and shipped to OS X scene thanks to Mono or a single vendors end user application which is available on Linux thanks to Mono.
"You can use the Open XML API in any language supported by the Microsoft.NET Framework®. The help topics presented in this SDK provide code samples in Microsoft Visual C#® and Microsoft Visual Basic®.NET."
In future, while buying anything mobile, think about that: If Intel monster actually managed to make a integrated graphics chip that will perform just like a real Nvidia/ATI GPU, both companies would go Chapter 11 in matter of days.
For some reason, Apple feels forced to use Intel in everything even in Graphics which Intel has no clue about. I wonder if there is some kind of agreement involved considering they are basically ignoring 64bit/multi core/SMP G5 userbase in 10.6. Hopefully it is false rumour.
Apple should have nothing to do with "integrated graphics", "integrated" anything. They aren't some no name Taiwan company, they aren't in cheap laptop market.
If Apple came up with such a wonder (compared to FAT32 junk) which is basically usable for all their needs from consumer to professional, FAT32 would be obsolete now.
Of course, MS insists to support that FAT32 archaic thing which should have never existed (after OS/2 HPFS, MS invention) and live with side effects of that thing designed for floppy diskettes.
Believe or not, even if I need to format a USB stick which I will use on Windows, I spare time to NTFS-3G rather than FAT16/32. At least it has journaling.
If Apple really sees something really enhancing to their users, they show no mercy to their old technologies. Of course, they keep a minimal support but they make sure user chooses the better one. If Apple was Microsoft, we would have HFS32 instead of HFS+ with journaling now. Thanks to Apple's radical move, people easily use 1TB drives on their Macs now.
Because both have shown that they are only interested in services they offer rather than dictating their own browser and operating system. They don't force you to use their sites at all. It is all HTML and TCP/IP.
Today, I helped a friend check his mail on Hotmail, I can't believe that damned thing still suggests to download IE 6 to work when you use Safari 3.1.1 , the OS X default browser. People claim they have changed thanks to their fake "open" things and their puppets on open source land, no they didn't change.
The core Unix/OS layer of course provides that information. For some reason , Apple Finder doesn't ask that information to Core OS. Apple is almost fanatically conservative on Finder. That is why I purchased "Path Finder" after 10 mins of usage;)
They figured that decision could mark their death and setting up a new organisation (like UN started after WW2) so they decided to cool things down a bit.
They also figured the Big Blue and Sun are very serious, it is not like couple of disgruntled nerds blogging. IBM is older than most of countries in ISO and Sun have huge expertise on how governments work too.
Thanks to the power of competition, a very high end Opera is on the way (9.5) for smart phones including Blackberry (I suppose). It has all Safari like features and Flash Lite 3 which basically means even Youtube is supported.
That is what makes lock-in seem bad. For example, Nokia web browser, based on Webkit is basically horrible mess. There is Opera option (8.65, 2 years old) which I could easily install/trial and buy. Even that old, it can do that WWDC "live page" tricks which really surprised me. If I don't like it? I can move to another browser.
I am sure such things are either possible or will be possible on iPhone but I can't really expect a public listed company like Opera to teach iPhone owners to hack their devices. A device needing to get hacked doesn't sound nice to me. If my Symbian E65 didn't do multimedia well, I could buy a iPod touch for example. I don't need to hack anything, I would rely on Apple official firmware updates since it is basically Quicktime-in-device, I don't expect anything more from such thing.
Last year, it was "nobody needs Java" (yea, right) and this year, "multi tasking eats battery"... Really? Well, some applications are horribly coded can eat battery but you know what happens to them. They get uninstalled by user and never touched again.:)
If there are millions of cult like non thinking people who buys a $thousands TCO device and whines to Slashdot/Digg about how locked that device is, the free market theory collapses.
If Nokia or Sony dared to ship a locked smart phone like that which multitasking isn't even allowed, not having Java, not having Flash (lite), we would be reading about their collapse now.
Apple has luxury of shipping planets first ever usable Unix handset and yet ignoring technologies like multi-tasking which are _invented_ on Unix, decades ago.
" Can the 95 kazillion candybars Nokia sells connect to the Internet as well as the iPhone?"
Yes, via built in XHTML/WAP browser or better, J2ME Opera Mini 4, there are lots and lots of RSS readers etc. sometimes built right into device itself. There is no "lock" or anything and even simplest Sony Ericsson devices can multitask Java applications. I didn't hear any phone "melting" because user dared to multitask either.:)
Symbian, WinCE and RIM will keep leading the real market unless Apple dares to open the device to true applications.
I am also posting from Safari which is part of my Leopard Family license and using one of 3 macs at my home now, planning an additional Intel Mini. It doesn't change my view against locked iPhone tied to pathetic networks (especially Vodafone TR). I keep using Nokia, Sony Ericsson Symbian based handsets since I can't really be bothered to hack anything. I click apps and they install... I multi task. I change themes. There is huge competition on software scene. I was "watching" WWDC with my Opera Mobile/Symbian, Skype calling with Fring and chatting on IRC same time, with my Nokia E65, sort of entry level Symbian S60 phone. Nobody died as result of multi tasking or running non approved applications.
Apple is doing the same mistakes on Smart Phone market they did years ago. It is about vendor lock in and this time, amazingly, software lock in. So called fans (in fact fanatics in every sense) are making things even worse.
Quicksilver is one of the first applications which easily updated itself from the beginning, without any hassle. If we had Blacktree numbers, it would turn out to be even more amazing.
The 200.000 downloads are coming from mostly people heard Quicksilver from a friend and used VT to download it and people who are Versiontracker Pro service users which auto updates via VT pro application.
If this thing actually works, ATT users will soon get banned from many seeding concentrated trackers or personally from people who hates seeding to people who are forced to leech.
It is a perfect way to make sure your users can't use bittorrent protocol by breaking the core method of how the idea works.
Well, Vuze.com and bittorrent.com may teach them another good lesson too if they figure ATT users are only leeching backup seeders of their networks.
You should have waited for the "how evil is Apple to hide/bin from Finder and how it proves OS X is not open" comment like people doubleclick ls command via GUI on other OS'es which shows it.:)
One should ask those 20.000 guys/gals who are advanced to work on number 1 technology company why they have chosen OS X rather than some other OS like Linux.
John Gruber isn't a tinfoil hat and I don't know if Google fixed those horrible dangerous method of installing. Rule number 1 on OS X: You never, ever write to/System
Google should ask their Apple buddies one, simple question: "Why do you code spotlight in a way that it never, ever connects to internet". It is still same on Leopard, Spotlight connects _only_ to XServe on local network if it is configured to do so. It is also the framework which Apple uses every kind of counter measure for security whether they are ready for third party or not.
When you write a story about open source and Google on Mac, you don't miss QuickSilver.app which is a record breaking download which turned to open source and Alcor, the developer is a Google employee.
There is no chance you miss a 200.000 downloaded (just a single site!), used by newbie to advanced developer profile utility. Unless you have never used Mac regularly and sit there and write a story about Google and Mac code of course. Another thing to include in that story is the fiasco of Google Desktop search which seriously made everyone paranoid with its method of install, method of running and the idea of shipping that Windows wonder to an OS which invented dynamic/extended search in its core.
I am on OSX/PPC and I can't see their demo, Moonlight clone can't display it either on Linux/BSD, it is tied so deep to windows only technologies which in fact, industry standard alternatives are available.
"The Seadragon team is currently tuning its DirectX implementation, making the most of the new Windows Media Photo format, and cranking on the Photosynth Technology Preview.
So they're essentially recreating Apple's Quartz + OpenGL + standard image formats with Photosynth + DirectX + WMPF."
Of course, as usual Apple sticks to industry standards as long as possible while MS tries all to lock it to Windows only technologies. Also they do it on a platform/market which they are considered a wannabe-joke compared to established Flash technology.
and people wonder why people tends to laugh at them. I have used Zoomify (.com) on one of sites I maintain. It accepts industry standards like JPEG/TIFF and uses industry standard jpeg for the thing ms "invented".
As I am on OS X and Silverlight beta 2.x doesn't exist for PPC (while Flash 10 beta exists), I couldn't check the marvellous demo.
What I know is, Zoomify exists for years starting as a cross-platform Quicktime codec and later a Flash program. In fact, it is free to implement your sites which will run anywhere with Flash installed. (I did)
MS should be busy compiling their Beta for OS X/PPC since people already started to say they are a bit early for their "lag those non windows punks releases" tactic.
There is Yellow Dog Linux http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/ which was/is officially helped/supported by Sony and IBM, it even comes with exclusive Enlightenment version. I am very interested in it for 3 years as a PPC Only Mac user.
I think author thinks Linux is Ubuntu somehow. Especially considering Ubuntu DOESN'T support Power CPU (because Apple dropped, funny), one of worst distros to suggest to users is Ubuntu. Cell is a distant cousin to PPC (reminding Ubuntu geniuses too).
If they want to abandon 3 years old machines including very pricey Quad G5, Dual G5 or high end powerbooks, fine. A Max memory (saw various ones) Quad G5 costed $7000 when it was shipped. Lets not forget Fiber/SCSI/RAID stuff.
If they want 10.6 to be PowerPC only and think PowerPC users will throw out millions of dollars working equipment, it is wrong. If Apple thinks I will throw all PPC equipment to move to 10.6 especially after 10.5.0 scandal release for PPC, I will surprise them.
BTW, pro machines never get virus infected or spyware infected since people having pro equipment also buys a $70/year Kaspersky AV to protect their work. It is not like people can't use windows and they abandoned PC because they got spyware, people chose PPC/OS X configuration while Apple was "Apple Computer Inc.", not "Apple the iPhone maker who codes OS X in spare time".
It makes me further mad since PPC/Linux has beat PPC/OS X several times, even on Leopard age. It is not like they can't find enough time to actually USE CPU features (Altivec etc.) and busy to code Intel stuff... G4/G5 users, especially ones using OS X has never seen their CPU's true potential at all.
I remember running shell scripts on Slackware which will tweak lots of settings, directory permissions to more secure settings. (TIGER for Linux I think)
As Leopard has ACL out of the box, there could be some wonders to secure the machine but people aren't that advanced to do it. There is also risk. Even if I knew a single line chmod or acl command to bring wonders to security, I wouldn't post it to web as some may copy it wrong and blame you for breaking their OS.
For example on pre Leopard, just making ~/Input Managers root owned may prevent lots of future troubles. It is pro-active , doesn't require any CPU and still, Apple didn't simply do it with a security update. Instead they made Input Managers Admin owned and root dir exclusive (/Library/Input Managers). They should allow people having their own input managers in their home directory not affecting others (but secure).
We need a user friendly shell script that people may easily apply and reverse. It may require significant amount of work though. Even on Leopard, home directory is not security checked (unless when you boot from dvd), the real issue is home directory. There are some completely confused people thinking OS X is secure whatever they do and they may share their home directory with whole planet just to serve a single file.
That is professional community of Apple for you. When we say Apple is wrong removing Classic support from Leopard (unless there is major tech. issue) or when they allow completely stupid rumours to spread like removing PPC from next version of OS, they mark people as troll or digg them down etc.
A professional will run whatever runs best regardless of the year it was produced. You should go to a sound studio to see all those 10.2.8 machines doing insane amounts of audio processing or 10.3.9 Machines used in million dollar AVID configurations.
I own family license of iWork 08 but perhaps Framemaker serves better for that 250 page job. I see IBM pdf documents produced by archaic software all the time too. It is not like IBM or a company having them as customer can't afford newer version/hardware either.
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Can you people take a break from posting FUD against QT and now Nokia?
QT is _nothing_ if it loses its legendary multi platform support and the open source scene.
You know what this ransom note(!) means? "If you want Linux on smart phones, live with reality or we will keep enhancing Symbian OS which offers things real World needs."
I got a comment in same context along with registered trademark symbols. I am just counting seconds before someone got fooled by Icaza or basically working for a Web 2.0 marketing company come up with "but there is Mono"... I will ask a single working, commercial application coded and shipped to OS X scene thanks to Mono or a single vendors end user application which is available on Linux thanks to Mono.
"You can use the Open XML API in any language supported by the Microsoft .NET Framework®. The help topics presented in this SDK provide code samples in Microsoft Visual C#® and Microsoft Visual Basic® .NET."
In future, while buying anything mobile, think about that: If Intel monster actually managed to make a integrated graphics chip that will perform just like a real Nvidia/ATI GPU, both companies would go Chapter 11 in matter of days.
For some reason, Apple feels forced to use Intel in everything even in Graphics which Intel has no clue about. I wonder if there is some kind of agreement involved considering they are basically ignoring 64bit/multi core/SMP G5 userbase in 10.6. Hopefully it is false rumour.
Apple should have nothing to do with "integrated graphics", "integrated" anything. They aren't some no name Taiwan company, they aren't in cheap laptop market.
If Apple came up with such a wonder (compared to FAT32 junk) which is basically usable for all their needs from consumer to professional, FAT32 would be obsolete now.
Of course, MS insists to support that FAT32 archaic thing which should have never existed (after OS/2 HPFS, MS invention) and live with side effects of that thing designed for floppy diskettes.
Believe or not, even if I need to format a USB stick which I will use on Windows, I spare time to NTFS-3G rather than FAT16/32. At least it has journaling.
If Apple really sees something really enhancing to their users, they show no mercy to their old technologies. Of course, they keep a minimal support but they make sure user chooses the better one. If Apple was Microsoft, we would have HFS32 instead of HFS+ with journaling now. Thanks to Apple's radical move, people easily use 1TB drives on their Macs now.
Because both have shown that they are only interested in services they offer rather than dictating their own browser and operating system. They don't force you to use their sites at all. It is all HTML and TCP/IP.
Today, I helped a friend check his mail on Hotmail, I can't believe that damned thing still suggests to download IE 6 to work when you use Safari 3.1.1 , the OS X default browser. People claim they have changed thanks to their fake "open" things and their puppets on open source land, no they didn't change.
the tool you need to see open files is: lsof , for example I open a pdf file from 'timemac' Volume and run:
/Volumes/timemac/.Trashes/501 /Volumes/timemac/melektaslak.pdf
;)
quad:~ ilgaz$ lsof |grep 'timemac'
Path\x20F 185 ilgaz 15r DIR 14,14 68 9068665
AdobeRead 629 ilgaz 25r REG 14,14 4083738 5061210
The core Unix/OS layer of course provides that information. For some reason , Apple Finder doesn't ask that information to Core OS. Apple is almost fanatically conservative on Finder. That is why I purchased "Path Finder" after 10 mins of usage
If one buys from future Apple store, it will be 2,457,600 so, it is millions of dollars. ;)
They figured that decision could mark their death and setting up a new organisation (like UN started after WW2) so they decided to cool things down a bit.
They also figured the Big Blue and Sun are very serious, it is not like couple of disgruntled nerds blogging. IBM is older than most of countries in ISO and Sun have huge expertise on how governments work too.
Thanks to the power of competition, a very high end Opera is on the way (9.5) for smart phones including Blackberry (I suppose). It has all Safari like features and Flash Lite 3 which basically means even Youtube is supported.
:)
That is what makes lock-in seem bad. For example, Nokia web browser, based on Webkit is basically horrible mess. There is Opera option (8.65, 2 years old) which I could easily install/trial and buy. Even that old, it can do that WWDC "live page" tricks which really surprised me. If I don't like it? I can move to another browser.
I am sure such things are either possible or will be possible on iPhone but I can't really expect a public listed company like Opera to teach iPhone owners to hack their devices. A device needing to get hacked doesn't sound nice to me. If my Symbian E65 didn't do multimedia well, I could buy a iPod touch for example. I don't need to hack anything, I would rely on Apple official firmware updates since it is basically Quicktime-in-device, I don't expect anything more from such thing.
Last year, it was "nobody needs Java" (yea, right) and this year, "multi tasking eats battery"... Really? Well, some applications are horribly coded can eat battery but you know what happens to them. They get uninstalled by user and never touched again.
If there are millions of cult like non thinking people who buys a $thousands TCO device and whines to Slashdot/Digg about how locked that device is, the free market theory collapses.
If Nokia or Sony dared to ship a locked smart phone like that which multitasking isn't even allowed, not having Java, not having Flash (lite), we would be reading about their collapse now.
Apple has luxury of shipping planets first ever usable Unix handset and yet ignoring technologies like multi-tasking which are _invented_ on Unix, decades ago.
" Can the 95 kazillion candybars Nokia sells connect to the Internet as well as the iPhone?"
:)
Yes, via built in XHTML/WAP browser or better, J2ME Opera Mini 4, there are lots and lots of RSS readers etc. sometimes built right into device itself. There is no "lock" or anything and even simplest Sony Ericsson devices can multitask Java applications. I didn't hear any phone "melting" because user dared to multitask either.
Symbian, WinCE and RIM will keep leading the real market unless Apple dares to open the device to true applications.
I am also posting from Safari which is part of my Leopard Family license and using one of 3 macs at my home now, planning an additional Intel Mini. It doesn't change my view against locked iPhone tied to pathetic networks (especially Vodafone TR). I keep using Nokia, Sony Ericsson Symbian based handsets since I can't really be bothered to hack anything. I click apps and they install... I multi task. I change themes. There is huge competition on software scene. I was "watching" WWDC with my Opera Mobile/Symbian, Skype calling with Fring and chatting on IRC same time, with my Nokia E65, sort of entry level Symbian S60 phone. Nobody died as result of multi tasking or running non approved applications.
Apple is doing the same mistakes on Smart Phone market they did years ago. It is about vendor lock in and this time, amazingly, software lock in. So called fans (in fact fanatics in every sense) are making things even worse.
Quicksilver is one of the first applications which easily updated itself from the beginning, without any hassle. If we had Blacktree numbers, it would turn out to be even more amazing.
The 200.000 downloads are coming from mostly people heard Quicksilver from a friend and used VT to download it and people who are Versiontracker Pro service users which auto updates via VT pro application.
If this thing actually works, ATT users will soon get banned from many seeding concentrated trackers or personally from people who hates seeding to people who are forced to leech.
It is a perfect way to make sure your users can't use bittorrent protocol by breaking the core method of how the idea works.
Well, Vuze.com and bittorrent.com may teach them another good lesson too if they figure ATT users are only leeching backup seeders of their networks.
You should have waited for the "how evil is Apple to hide /bin from Finder and how it proves OS X is not open" comment like people doubleclick ls command via GUI on other OS'es which shows it. :)
One should ask those 20.000 guys/gals who are advanced to work on number 1 technology company why they have chosen OS X rather than some other OS like Linux.
Google can get very evil unless you don't trust them based on their motto "Do no evil".
/System
Google Desktop search is an example how to spare thousands of engineer hours needlessly just to duplicate spotlight and make those "maccies" extremely paranoid.
http://daringfireball.net/2007/04/google_desktop_installer
John Gruber isn't a tinfoil hat and I don't know if Google fixed those horrible dangerous method of installing. Rule number 1 on OS X: You never, ever write to
Google should ask their Apple buddies one, simple question: "Why do you code spotlight in a way that it never, ever connects to internet". It is still same on Leopard, Spotlight connects _only_ to XServe on local network if it is configured to do so. It is also the framework which Apple uses every kind of counter measure for security whether they are ready for third party or not.
When you write a story about open source and Google on Mac, you don't miss QuickSilver.app which is a record breaking download which turned to open source and Alcor, the developer is a Google employee.
See the numbers just at its versiontracker page
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/22549
Also here is its source along with various Alcor programs:
http://code.google.com/p/blacktree-alchemy/
There is no chance you miss a 200.000 downloaded (just a single site!), used by newbie to advanced developer profile utility. Unless you have never used Mac regularly and sit there and write a story about Google and Mac code of course. Another thing to include in that story is the fiasco of Google Desktop search which seriously made everyone paranoid with its method of install, method of running and the idea of shipping that Windows wonder to an OS which invented dynamic/extended search in its core.
I am on OSX/PPC and I can't see their demo, Moonlight clone can't display it either on Linux/BSD, it is tied so deep to windows only technologies which in fact, industry standard alternatives are available.
See where the ignorance and hate coming to MS?
"The Seadragon team is currently tuning its DirectX implementation, making the most of the new Windows Media Photo format, and cranking on the Photosynth Technology Preview.
So they're essentially recreating Apple's Quartz + OpenGL + standard image formats with Photosynth + DirectX + WMPF."
Of course, as usual Apple sticks to industry standards as long as possible while MS tries all to lock it to Windows only technologies. Also they do it on a platform/market which they are considered a wannabe-joke compared to established Flash technology.
and people wonder why people tends to laugh at them. I have used Zoomify (.com) on one of sites I maintain. It accepts industry standards like JPEG/TIFF and uses industry standard jpeg for the thing ms "invented".
As I am on OS X and Silverlight beta 2.x doesn't exist for PPC (while Flash 10 beta exists), I couldn't check the marvellous demo.
What I know is, Zoomify exists for years starting as a cross-platform Quicktime codec and later a Flash program. In fact, it is free to implement your sites which will run anywhere with Flash installed. (I did)
http://www.zoomify.com/
MS should be busy compiling their Beta for OS X/PPC since people already started to say they are a bit early for their "lag those non windows punks releases" tactic.
You buy hardware because the current one doesn't fit to your standards. Not because your hardware vendor forces you by abandoning OS upgrades for you.
Apple wasn't like that before, they were known to support their machines to the limit. That is before they dropped "computer" from their name.
Their biggest fault is making people like me understand and respect to Microsoft to a certain limit. Just checked the Vista Business specs you know...
There is Yellow Dog Linux http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/ydl/ which was/is officially helped/supported by Sony and IBM, it even comes with exclusive Enlightenment version. I am very interested in it for 3 years as a PPC Only Mac user.
I think author thinks Linux is Ubuntu somehow. Especially considering Ubuntu DOESN'T support Power CPU (because Apple dropped, funny), one of worst distros to suggest to users is Ubuntu. Cell is a distant cousin to PPC (reminding Ubuntu geniuses too).
If they want to abandon 3 years old machines including very pricey Quad G5, Dual G5 or high end powerbooks, fine. A Max memory (saw various ones) Quad G5 costed $7000 when it was shipped. Lets not forget Fiber/SCSI/RAID stuff.
If they want 10.6 to be PowerPC only and think PowerPC users will throw out millions of dollars working equipment, it is wrong. If Apple thinks I will throw all PPC equipment to move to 10.6 especially after 10.5.0 scandal release for PPC, I will surprise them.
BTW, pro machines never get virus infected or spyware infected since people having pro equipment also buys a $70/year Kaspersky AV to protect their work. It is not like people can't use windows and they abandoned PC because they got spyware, people chose PPC/OS X configuration while Apple was "Apple Computer Inc.", not "Apple the iPhone maker who codes OS X in spare time".
It makes me further mad since PPC/Linux has beat PPC/OS X several times, even on Leopard age. It is not like they can't find enough time to actually USE CPU features (Altivec etc.) and busy to code Intel stuff... G4/G5 users, especially ones using OS X has never seen their CPU's true potential at all.
I remember running shell scripts on Slackware which will tweak lots of settings, directory permissions to more secure settings. (TIGER for Linux I think)
As Leopard has ACL out of the box, there could be some wonders to secure the machine but people aren't that advanced to do it. There is also risk. Even if I knew a single line chmod or acl command to bring wonders to security, I wouldn't post it to web as some may copy it wrong and blame you for breaking their OS.
For example on pre Leopard, just making ~/Input Managers root owned may prevent lots of future troubles. It is pro-active , doesn't require any CPU and still, Apple didn't simply do it with a security update. Instead they made Input Managers Admin owned and root dir exclusive (/Library/Input Managers). They should allow people having their own input managers in their home directory not affecting others (but secure).
We need a user friendly shell script that people may easily apply and reverse. It may require significant amount of work though. Even on Leopard, home directory is not security checked (unless when you boot from dvd), the real issue is home directory. There are some completely confused people thinking OS X is secure whatever they do and they may share their home directory with whole planet just to serve a single file.
That is professional community of Apple for you. When we say Apple is wrong removing Classic support from Leopard (unless there is major tech. issue) or when they allow completely stupid rumours to spread like removing PPC from next version of OS, they mark people as troll or digg them down etc.
A professional will run whatever runs best regardless of the year it was produced. You should go to a sound studio to see all those 10.2.8 machines doing insane amounts of audio processing or 10.3.9 Machines used in million dollar AVID configurations.
I own family license of iWork 08 but perhaps Framemaker serves better for that 250 page job. I see IBM pdf documents produced by archaic software all the time too. It is not like IBM or a company having them as customer can't afford newer version/hardware either.