Not everyone grows up to be an astronaut. Most people get one job they are good at and hold on to it.
ESPECIALLY if they are over 50- because of attitudes like this. People over 50 are unemployed for over a year. You know-- 17 YEARS before retirement age?
You have a good job over 50, you hold on to it as tight as you can- because when you lose it that could be it regardless of your skill set. 17 years is a frikkin lifetime.
Well apparently that was considered but the airlines lost (unlike hooters).
Airlines are not strip clubs. Air hosts are the equivalent of butlers and maids who are not fired at 29 for not being young and pretty any more.
If you are hooters- it's central to your job to have young bimbo types. Airlines failed to make that case once they went mass market and stopped carrying only the top tier of people. As a mass market transportation, they can't arbitrarily fire the people and they can't arbitrarily hire only females any more. Those were incredibly sexist and are now illegal.
I don't even think you can make the argument that anyone flies on non luxury airlines because the airline has young pretty stewardesses. It's all about price. When you select a $115 ticket over a $107 ticket-it's not the pretty young thing, it's because of free bags, or a slightly better time of day, or your miles program.
At denny's I tip the young hot thing the same 10 to 20% that I type the 40 year old guy. I want good service- I want my glass full. the only place where it might make a difference is the bar. But that's more about the stiff drinks than the girls looks.
I found the over 50's hosts and hostesses on the "new" airline Southwest Airlines to be funny and friendly. What exactly is the advancement path for a skyhost?
Like many jobs, it seems to be an end-node service job.
Before fast food, there were plenty of 50 year old cooks and burger flippers at restaurants.
Seriously- it is getting harder and harder to get jobs for 50 year olds- yet our own diversity training taught us Gen Y types are likely to leave in under 2 years. Why the hell are we turning down 50 year olds for jobs when that's true?
I'm not there yet- but it is just up ahead on the road. I see a 64 year old working the 20 and 30 year old developers into the dirt and on top of that he brings 25 years of design experience to the job.
Yea.. because if you are 50+, you should really not be hirable any more. It'd be best if you just go and starve in the wilderness so as not to be a burden on society unless you are successful at carousel and get renewal.
There also has to be a reason Netflix can get buy on $8.95 or $15.95 a month.
Lower salaries? Corporate offices in an inexpensive location? No corporate headquarters?
Older companies build up fixed costs over time. If they get big enough, they get the law changed to protect them. If they don't make that size, the die off.
I finally bit the bullet and signed up for netflix last night.
AMAZING.
Took under 10 minutes and I was watching "Pushing up Daisies" and then browse parts of several movies.
With my new blu ray player (still in the box) I should be able to watch these on my TV too...and on my iPhone.. and at my friend's house on their computer.
Amazing. Incentives for pirating drop waaaaay down when you get "all you can eat" for $8.95. Some stuff I'll have to wait to come in the mail.
Seems too good to last-- to good to be true. At some point the people supplying netflix will raise their rates as they did on the cable tv providers.
The problem I have is inappropriate use of plastic.
Using one metal gear instead of a plastic gear makes the difference between your blender being durable or being a piece of junk.
My laptop plug broke- why? Plastic mountings. The fix? A free upgrade to a metal bracket inside.
It's not that they replace some parts with plastic or cheap parts. It's that they replace key/high wear parts with cheap/plastic parts.
---
Old story-- during world war II, they were losing bombers and so they analyzed the planes that made it back and noted the areas that were damaged and which were undamaged.
Where did they increase the armor?
In the areas which were not hit. Apparently hits on those areas took down the planes. the planes survived the areas which were getting hit a lot.
--- It's okay to have a plastic container and housing on a blender. but for god's sake don't cheap out on the motor and the gears.
And part of the problem is as you (and others) indicate, they take an expensive "name" brand and then hollow it out with lower and lower quality while still charging a premium price. So it's hard to find a reliable brand based on 3-5 year old information. it needs to be good 5 years ago and then have folks still thinking it's good today.
Go to the commentary sites for companies selling whirlpool water heaters (last 5-7 years - apparently often broken out of the box). It's a water heater... how hard could it be to make a durable tank with a fire under it?
Likewise for washer/dryers and dishwashers.
I don't know about their refrigerators.
But basically- lots of plastic parts that don't last, cheap thermostats that don't last/work, and electronics that fail.
We did have a big fix when they said that any state highway fines have to go to the state and the localities do not get to keep the ticket fees.
Outside of that, ticket income is fungible and on the budget.
Given the pattern of police taking tickets (I know which days I can speed by 20 mph (heck I break 80 some days and have people passing me) and which days there will be a cop after every hump. Seriously- around the end of the month, there are 5 cops on each side over 8 miles of freeway. Early in the month, no cops or one cop in the shade under the big overpass (all the regulars speed to that point, slow down, pass him watch the ignorant get stopped and then speed back up).
The freeway is a dream and could easily handle 80mhp in daytime dry conditions.
Ticket revenue is collected and goes into some bucket- when state and city budgets started getting tight back in 2008, we got red light cameras and aggressive ticketing.
1) We ran into that 3 years ago. It's not lack of features (I use "normal" dish wash cycle only, okay-- my fridge has an icemaker). It's the manufacture. Instead of a cheap dial, you get an electronic button labeled "normal" and that electronic button (no joke- from experience) costs $250 to fix. I'm very lucky to have gotten a dial dishwasher.
I can't understand why people pay so much for appliances myself. My washer/dryer ran about $900, my fridge was $700, my dishwasher was $300ish back in 1998.
Cheap appliances that are too cheap have a replacement cost tho. It's non-trivial to change out a dishwasher. The stove wasn't too bad. After my friend's stove broke (after 28 years), I replaced the stove in about 30 minutes with one from craigslist.
The worst problem is in areas like Appliances where the company making cheap crap ("Whirlxxxx") buys out their higher quality competition ("Mayxxx"), and then starts producing cheap crap under the "Mayxxx" name.
It has reached a point where it is impossible (as far as I can tell) to buy a dishwasher a hot water heater a washing machine
That will last 20 years like they used to. The current dishwashers have electronics that are damaged by storms every 2-3 years. Some of the "money" parts are hard plastic so they wear out well before 10 years.
It's better in some cases to buy used and spend big bucks getting the item repaired. Then at least you have a solid appliance.
Please feel free to post if you've found a source for reliable (as in 20 year life span) major appliances.
Firstly... wow really nice responses, better reasoned than mind and nice tone.
I probably can't do it justice with a decently enough researched response while at work. I might try to revisit later tho we are working long days so I'm weary. that being said...
I'll type a lot of blather and then cut it down to sound bites..
--- I understand the "yea but this time it is different" objection. It's valid. I could be wrong. Machines are already replacing human jobs and cost 1/3 less than poverty level wages to operate. A large part of the population are incapable of working "higher skilled jobs". they won't have jobs to work.
Our society is increasingly a "winner take all" society. Instead of having 2000 writers making $50k, we have Rowling making over 1 billion dollars. Instead of having 50 entertainers as in the 1920's we have 1 entertainer who gets really wealthy. Rich people do not support a mass market the way middle class and poor people do.
The cost of a degree to get a higher skill job is becoming crippling because people are bidding more and more money for that slot. You can't get out of student debt...for life. It's unique. Next generation (with $90k to $250k debt and no job) is crippled. Those with a lot of money "bid up" anything rare or special. The average person can't afford to buy certain collectables, certain property because the income disparity is so high.
yes, health care is expensive and we pay more because of insurance. procedures are offered that would not be if we had to pay for our own insurance. China doesn't take this approach. Not even in the emergency room. People without insurance die. It's harsh. But going into debt to pay for health care now will force us into a china position. (unless hyperinflation invalidates our debts.)
I agree- no hyper inflation yet. I have some assets in foreign investments to cover that. I like them more than gold. I suspect the dow will also go up if hyperinflation hits. Because those companies assets will retain value (if you have $1000 of tangibles and they go up in value to $10000, then your company should increase in value along with that increase.)
We are having a couple problems that are new this time around
1) we are getting more companies where the wealth goes to a few people. It isn't feeding back into the general economy. 2) jobs are being destroyed faster than created and I think job destruction will accelerate- for many "manual labor" jobs, robots are now about 1/3 the price per year of humans ($15,000 a year).
As for the link... I can see he is showing "real compensation has increased since 1960" but that is so in contradiction to observed reality that I have to think something is goofy with one of the definitions just as they have been understating CPI and unemployment since Clinton changed the definitions of both during his terms.
Perhaps "average real compensation" has increased-- I.e. the middle class is getting less than 1% per year but the top 1% is getting over 20% a year so on average we all look good. So I just don't believe your facts when I see people losing their homes, unemployed for years, under crushing college debt and unable to find work, and bread and milk going up 100% while the government says there is no inflation.
Hard to believe I fit so many typos in one post...no need to give back leads.....Once society runs out of money and can't find jobs, it can't buy products at any price....
Treating the rest of the community as a collective commons with no need to give bad leads to the tragedy of the commons.
In our system, without correct, you end up with a tiny group with all the resources and no one else can buy anything.
To make it obvious, let's say that 20 people start working a collective farm and through hard work, 1 person comes to own everything.
Now, those 19 people are going to something besides stand aside and die. So does the 1 person want it to be a peaceful robbery where they still get to keep most of their stuff or a violent robbery where they lose everything and possibly be dead.
Also, say there is a cost of running that field, since the 1 now owns all of the field- shouldn't they pay the entire running cost? And if they owned 19/20th of the field, shouldn't they cover 19/20th of the cost of running that field?
The problem we face to day is that SSI, unemployment tax, medical insurance costs scale at a per employee basis so there is a strong inducement to remove labor wherever possible. We need to change taxes to be on gross corporate profits and move away from taxing on an employee basis.
Otherwise we are going to end up with companies where 1 person runs a bunch of automated processes on computers and a bunch of robotic labor in the warehouse (already happening- google robot warehouse diapers.com businessweek- so don't even argue that it won't happen) because robotic labor is now down to about $15,000 per year leased. They are not paying any of the cost of society but they are mining society for money. Once society runs out of money and can't find jobs, it can't by products at any price.
We are headed down a bad path and need to start turning now or we will be looking at much higher unemployment rates and even lower salaries. The system started unraveling back in the 90's. The rate is accelerating.
Money and Wealth only have meaning in the context of society.
I think Gates is shaping up to be an old style rich person with a sense of responsibility to the world. A rare breed in this world of "I'm rich, you are poor because you suck" rich people who feel they could have done it all on their own without help from society or rich parents.
The only thing that makes capitalism work is empathy or labor shortages. outside of that, it is a cruel system when combined with lack of empathy and any kind of labor glut.
Swords don't just "randomly look different ways to look cool"
The cross section and the shape of the blade reflect the intended usage.
Some swords are piercing, some are slashing, some are stabbing, some are chopping.
It depends on your size, what kind of armor you are going to be wearing (plate guy with a rapier won't be very effective) and the type of armor your opponent will be wearing, and your likely fighting environment (are you surrounded by trees and bushes or out in the grass or in tight streets? Look... I'm on a wall!
The cross section varies from a wedge + rectangle backing, to a football, to a rounded wedge, etc. Terry's sword (wonder what he will name it?), looks like a foot soldier's sword and looks like a stabbing weapon tho I'm sure it has a cutting edge, it lacks weight along the entire back and/or near the tip to give the blade inertia to chop through something. It's not long enough to use from horseback effectively.
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Not everyone grows up to be an astronaut.
Most people get one job they are good at and hold on to it.
ESPECIALLY if they are over 50- because of attitudes like this. People over 50 are unemployed for over a year. You know-- 17 YEARS before retirement age?
You have a good job over 50, you hold on to it as tight as you can- because when you lose it that could be it regardless of your skill set. 17 years is a frikkin lifetime.
Well apparently that was considered but the airlines lost (unlike hooters).
Airlines are not strip clubs. Air hosts are the equivalent of butlers and maids who are not fired at 29 for not being young and pretty any more.
If you are hooters- it's central to your job to have young bimbo types. Airlines failed to make that case once they went mass market and stopped carrying only the top tier of people. As a mass market transportation, they can't arbitrarily fire the people and they can't arbitrarily hire only females any more. Those were incredibly sexist and are now illegal.
I don't even think you can make the argument that anyone flies on non luxury airlines because the airline has young pretty stewardesses. It's all about price. When you select a $115 ticket over a $107 ticket-it's not the pretty young thing, it's because of free bags, or a slightly better time of day, or your miles program.
At denny's I tip the young hot thing the same 10 to 20% that I type the 40 year old guy. I want good service- I want my glass full. the only place where it might make a difference is the bar. But that's more about the stiff drinks than the girls looks.
I found the over 50's hosts and hostesses on the "new" airline Southwest Airlines to be funny and friendly.
What exactly is the advancement path for a skyhost?
Like many jobs, it seems to be an end-node service job.
Before fast food, there were plenty of 50 year old cooks and burger flippers at restaurants.
Seriously- it is getting harder and harder to get jobs for 50 year olds- yet our own diversity training taught us Gen Y types are likely to leave in under 2 years. Why the hell are we turning down 50 year olds for jobs when that's true?
I'm not there yet- but it is just up ahead on the road. I see a 64 year old working the 20 and 30 year old developers into the dirt and on top of that he brings 25 years of design experience to the job.
My mom, who can't figure out computers to save her life- goes through some very arcane technical stuff with my satellite dish.
What I need is a way to give her a computer that she can't change.
Just for email and facebook and she'd be happy. Heck- maybe just for facebook. Lock everything else down.
Yea.. because if you are 50+, you should really not be hirable any more. It'd be best if you just go and starve in the wilderness so as not to be a burden on society unless you are successful at carousel and get renewal.
There also has to be a reason Netflix can get buy on $8.95 or $15.95 a month.
Lower salaries? Corporate offices in an inexpensive location? No corporate headquarters?
Older companies build up fixed costs over time. If they get big enough, they get the law changed to protect them. If they don't make that size, the die off.
I finally bit the bullet and signed up for netflix last night.
AMAZING.
Took under 10 minutes and I was watching "Pushing up Daisies" and then browse parts of several movies.
With my new blu ray player (still in the box) I should be able to watch these on my TV too.. .and on my iPhone.. and at my friend's house on their computer.
Amazing. Incentives for pirating drop waaaaay down when you get "all you can eat" for $8.95. Some stuff I'll have to wait to come in the mail.
Seems too good to last-- to good to be true.
At some point the people supplying netflix will raise their rates as they did on the cable tv providers.
But for now- nice.
I looked at these and this is the problem.
I can either buy these which are ridiculously expensive ($3000 for an appliance???)
Or I can buy cheap crap for $450.
In the 80's and 90's I could find something in the middle. A quality product without a luxury finish.
The problem I have is inappropriate use of plastic.
Using one metal gear instead of a plastic gear makes the difference between your blender being durable or being a piece of junk.
My laptop plug broke- why? Plastic mountings. The fix? A free upgrade to a metal bracket inside.
It's not that they replace some parts with plastic or cheap parts. It's that they replace key/high wear parts with cheap/plastic parts.
---
Old story-- during world war II, they were losing bombers and so they analyzed the planes that made it back and noted the areas that were damaged and which were undamaged.
Where did they increase the armor?
In the areas which were not hit. Apparently hits on those areas took down the planes.
the planes survived the areas which were getting hit a lot.
---
It's okay to have a plastic container and housing on a blender. but for god's sake don't cheap out on the motor and the gears.
And part of the problem is as you (and others) indicate, they take an expensive "name" brand and then hollow it out with lower and lower quality while still charging a premium price. So it's hard to find a reliable brand based on 3-5 year old information. it needs to be good 5 years ago and then have folks still thinking it's good today.
LoL. Okay mr. snarky.
And they do advertise them as "Hot Water Heaters".
Go to the commentary sites for companies selling whirlpool water heaters (last 5-7 years - apparently often broken out of the box). It's a water heater... how hard could it be to make a durable tank with a fire under it?
Likewise for washer/dryers and dishwashers.
I don't know about their refrigerators.
But basically- lots of plastic parts that don't last, cheap thermostats that don't last/work, and electronics that fail.
Yes and no.
We did have a big fix when they said that any state highway fines have to go to the state and the localities do not get to keep the ticket fees.
Outside of that, ticket income is fungible and on the budget.
Given the pattern of police taking tickets (I know which days I can speed by 20 mph (heck I break 80 some days and have people passing me) and which days there will be a cop after every hump. Seriously- around the end of the month, there are 5 cops on each side over 8 miles of freeway. Early in the month, no cops or one cop in the shade under the big overpass (all the regulars speed to that point, slow down, pass him watch the ignorant get stopped and then speed back up).
The freeway is a dream and could easily handle 80mhp in daytime dry conditions.
Ticket revenue is collected and goes into some bucket- when state and city budgets started getting tight back in 2008, we got red light cameras and aggressive ticketing.
And revenue producing activity. Heck, the police can spend all day sitting out with radar guns as the end of the month approaches.
But, the broken window on my car covered with fingerprints they wouldn't take..
1) We ran into that 3 years ago. It's not lack of features (I use "normal" dish wash cycle only, okay-- my fridge has an icemaker). It's the manufacture. Instead of a cheap dial, you get an electronic button labeled "normal" and that electronic button (no joke- from experience) costs $250 to fix. I'm very lucky to have gotten a dial dishwasher.
I can't understand why people pay so much for appliances myself. My washer/dryer ran about $900, my fridge was $700, my dishwasher was $300ish back in 1998.
Cheap appliances that are too cheap have a replacement cost tho. It's non-trivial to change out a dishwasher. The stove wasn't too bad. After my friend's stove broke (after 28 years), I replaced the stove in about 30 minutes with one from craigslist.
I have to agree with him tho. No one I know clicks the ads. They click the search results provided by google.
Perhaps it is like telemarketing where they only need less than .10% of the calls to be successful to break even. that's basically "no one".
The price is 1/10th retail.
The drugs are effective and actually appear to be the real thing in real packaging.
So how can these guys sell this way at such low prices when my pills legitimately through mail order discount places run $2 to $3 each?
Have to be gross amounts of profit somewhere in the chain.
The worst problem is in areas like Appliances where the company making cheap crap ("Whirlxxxx") buys out their higher quality competition ("Mayxxx"), and then starts producing cheap crap under the "Mayxxx" name.
It has reached a point where it is impossible (as far as I can tell) to buy
a dishwasher
a hot water heater
a washing machine
That will last 20 years like they used to. The current dishwashers have electronics that are damaged by storms every 2-3 years. Some of the "money" parts are hard plastic so they wear out well before 10 years.
It's better in some cases to buy used and spend big bucks getting the item repaired. Then at least you have a solid appliance.
Please feel free to post if you've found a source for reliable (as in 20 year life span) major appliances.
Firstly...
wow really nice responses, better reasoned than mind and nice tone.
I probably can't do it justice with a decently enough researched response while at work. I might try to revisit later tho we are working long days so I'm weary. that being said...
I'll type a lot of blather and then cut it down to sound bites..
---
I understand the "yea but this time it is different" objection. It's valid. I could be wrong. Machines are already replacing human jobs and cost 1/3 less than poverty level wages to operate. A large part of the population are incapable of working "higher skilled jobs". they won't have jobs to work.
Our society is increasingly a "winner take all" society. Instead of having 2000 writers making $50k, we have Rowling making over 1 billion dollars. Instead of having 50 entertainers as in the 1920's we have 1 entertainer who gets really wealthy. Rich people do not support a mass market the way middle class and poor people do.
The cost of a degree to get a higher skill job is becoming crippling because people are bidding more and more money for that slot. You can't get out of student debt...for life. It's unique. Next generation (with $90k to $250k debt and no job) is crippled. Those with a lot of money "bid up" anything rare or special. The average person can't afford to buy certain collectables, certain property because the income disparity is so high.
yes, health care is expensive and we pay more because of insurance. procedures are offered that would not be if we had to pay for our own insurance. China doesn't take this approach. Not even in the emergency room. People without insurance die.
It's harsh. But going into debt to pay for health care now will force us into a china position. (unless hyperinflation invalidates our debts.)
I agree- no hyper inflation yet. I have some assets in foreign investments to cover that. I like them more than gold. I suspect the dow will also go up if hyperinflation hits. Because those companies assets will retain value (if you have $1000 of tangibles and they go up in value to $10000, then your company should increase in value along with that increase.)
I agree. That has worked in the past.
We are having a couple problems that are new this time around
1) we are getting more companies where the wealth goes to a few people. It isn't feeding back into the general economy.
2) jobs are being destroyed faster than created and I think job destruction will accelerate- for many "manual labor" jobs, robots are now about 1/3 the price per year of humans ($15,000 a year).
As for the link... I can see he is showing "real compensation has increased since 1960" but that is so in contradiction to observed reality that I have to think something is goofy with one of the definitions just as they have been understating CPI and unemployment since Clinton changed the definitions of both during his terms.
Perhaps "average real compensation" has increased-- I.e. the middle class is getting less than 1% per year but the top 1% is getting over 20% a year so on average we all look good. So I just don't believe your facts when I see people losing their homes, unemployed for years, under crushing college debt and unable to find work, and bread and milk going up 100% while the government says there is no inflation.
Hard to believe I fit so many typos in one post. ..no need to give back leads .. ...Once society runs out of money and can't find jobs, it can't buy products at any price....
Treating the rest of the community as a collective commons with no need to give bad leads to the tragedy of the commons.
In our system, without correct, you end up with a tiny group with all the resources and no one else can buy anything.
To make it obvious, let's say that 20 people start working a collective farm and through hard work, 1 person comes to own everything.
Now, those 19 people are going to something besides stand aside and die. So does the 1 person want it to be a peaceful robbery where they still get to keep most of their stuff or a violent robbery where they lose everything and possibly be dead.
Also, say there is a cost of running that field, since the 1 now owns all of the field- shouldn't they pay the entire running cost? And if they owned 19/20th of the field, shouldn't they cover 19/20th of the cost of running that field?
The problem we face to day is that SSI, unemployment tax, medical insurance costs scale at a per employee basis so there is a strong inducement to remove labor wherever possible. We need to change taxes to be on gross corporate profits and move away from taxing on an employee basis.
Otherwise we are going to end up with companies where 1 person runs a bunch of automated processes on computers and a bunch of robotic labor in the warehouse (already happening- google robot warehouse diapers.com businessweek- so don't even argue that it won't happen) because robotic labor is now down to about $15,000 per year leased. They are not paying any of the cost of society but they are mining society for money. Once society runs out of money and can't find jobs, it can't by products at any price.
We are headed down a bad path and need to start turning now or we will be looking at much higher unemployment rates and even lower salaries. The system started unraveling back in the 90's. The rate is accelerating.
Money and Wealth only have meaning in the context of society.
So how do you feel about Gates then?
I think Gates is shaping up to be an old style rich person with a sense of responsibility to the world. A rare breed in this world of "I'm rich, you are poor because you suck" rich people who feel they could have done it all on their own without help from society or rich parents.
The only thing that makes capitalism work is empathy or labor shortages. outside of that, it is a cruel system when combined with lack of empathy and any kind of labor glut.
Actually, it varies.
Swords don't just "randomly look different ways to look cool"
The cross section and the shape of the blade reflect the intended usage.
Some swords are piercing, some are slashing, some are stabbing, some are chopping.
It depends on your size, what kind of armor you are going to be wearing (plate guy with a rapier won't be very effective) and the type of armor your opponent will be wearing, and your likely fighting environment (are you surrounded by trees and bushes or out in the grass or in tight streets? Look... I'm on a wall!
The cross section varies from a wedge + rectangle backing, to a football, to a rounded wedge, etc.
Terry's sword (wonder what he will name it?), looks like a foot soldier's sword and looks like a stabbing weapon tho I'm sure it has a cutting edge, it lacks weight along the entire back and/or near the tip to give the blade inertia to chop through something. It's not long enough to use from horseback effectively.
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lol...
but seriously
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