Donuts are cost $1.00 to make per dozen. Fresh donuts are sold for $1.25 in the poor section of town. Fresh donuts are sold for $2.50 in the rich section of town. Fresh donuts are sold for $15.50 in the american section of town.
It is illegal to buy donuts for $1.25 or $2.50 and import the american section of town even tho it only would cost $.50 to pay for gas and labor to do so.
So this is why I have to pay $19.99 for a DVD that sells for $2.49 in most of the rest of the world?
I agree that legal liability might be a factor in drug prices. I'm not sure it explains a 5,000% difference but we litigate too much and those other countries are too little able to litigate.
As a believer in and a supporter of real capitalism, I think you need to educate yourself about the working conditions of the people making the product and then buy the least expensive products. There is nothing sacred about being american and i have no special rights over any other person in the world. My ultimate security is served by the entire world being well fed and after enough consumer goods that they decide not to have large numbers of children.
I'm only against the practice of having me subsidize the rest of the world. Ideally, my wages will drop towards theirs but my costs will also drop. Right now- the companies are cutting our wages but having laws passed to keep my costs high.
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Notice I said look into who makes the product. Because some countries have slave labor problems. Some countries are massively poisoning the environment. Obviously the products are cheaper under those conditions but morally I shouldn't buy those cheaper products. OTH, where they are "exploiting" labor by paying them 75 cents a day but without them the labor was making.40 cents a day is more of a personal judgement call. It's not fair to require a third world laborer to have all of the protections of a first world laborer- the end result would be that they do not work. We need to keep the heat on the clothing manufacturers to constantly raise conditions there but accept that they are going to be worse off than here until they get their economies going.
Okay... so I'm selling you a product for an arbitrary price. I have to make $500k to stay in business. I want to make $100k more to keep me working in the business (since that gives me $80k take home). Say that works out to.007 cents per gallon.
Now you change the law- make me install new sensors- etc. etc.
I'm still going to want $80k take home pay. I still have to make $500k to keep the business going. Who is going to pay for the sensors, installation, and monitoring? Me? The oil company? No.
Of course-- you are going to pay for installing the sensors, installation, and monitoring. So the price is going to be more accurate- but it is going to be higher.
It's part of the reason cars that are $10,000 in some countries are $23,000 here. A long series of "well this is only $200 so we should require it" laws has grossly inflated our car prices. It inflates our labor costs too.
So you can be over charged and pay $1.08 for $1.00 of gas and spend $525 a year on gas or you can be accurately charged for the gass and spend $535 a year on gas.
Your call. People should let this particular issue go in my opinion.
This is a very temporary situation. They are basically pumping money out of the 1st world into their pockets. There is a limited amount of time they can do that.
The canadians most likely did what some states were doing here in 2000. Giving so many inducements that it actually cost them money to attract the businesses (10 years no taxes-- AND we will pay all medical and social costs for your employees. Oh wait.. "we" the state are going broke attracting business in this fashion....)
And if they are selling them for a profit at 10 cents then 5.25 is obscene here.
We are getting the worst parts of capitalism without getting the benefits of it.
Yes- they should get it for 10 cents. And they should sell for 10 cents here too.
Is there some particular reason, I should pay $800 for a.net development setup but chinese and indians get them for FREE??? And then I have to compete with them for jobs?
This is not going to last. It will even out in the middle. But even now- it's not right. It's not remotely fair.
Because their owners are benefiting from being in a safe, stable country where the government does not nationalize them and the people do not kidnap, torture, and murder them.
However- they just need to keep up their current trends for another decade or two. We'll be just like Russia or China and their will not be a safe place for the rich to roost any more.
You have one "american" employee leading an "american" company with 100,000 employees from every other country on earth.
The products which cost pennies to produce- are nonetheless priced at "full retail" in the american market while being sold for much lower prices profitably in other countries. And of course those products are either gimmicked ("indonesian only" $25 windows) or have laws making it illegal to reimport them to the US (My blood pressure pills-- 10 cents in india, $5 here-- illegal to import and sell for 50 cents).
The one "american" only pays taxes on realized profits and income. The rest is funny money stored in various ways. Net result to American- nothing really. Net result to the company- enormous.
Should I buy that companies products? Not if I can help it.
Clearly he meant "proof-reading the words that are there" but he's using the form from the joke "were wolf!" "there wolf!" He's just a big fan of "Young Frankenstein".
Another key difference is that vomeronasal organ currently appears to be non-functional in humans. And the VNO is outright missing in many humans. So pheromones in humans are working by some other less direct path. All things are on bell curves so perhaps a subset of humans have working VNO's but the research I've seen isn't promising.
Males who are not alpha males are more afraid. Anger is most often based on fear.
However I think there are alpha males who are a problem because it is a bell curve-
On one end you have the weaklings that need to abuse someone to feel strong and cover their feelings of inadequacy. I've known some who are constantly afraid when they open up. On the other end you have the guys who are almost insane with testosterone. They'll fight anyone and they have trouble with authority so today they have legal problems while in earlier ages they would have been more socially successful.
In between you have guys that like to follow, guys who are kinda balanced, and guys that naturally lead and can fight but can control their aggression and thrill seeking.
Once you have the copy in your possession, they would have to somehow prove a chain of possession back to your friend. Because it is legal for you to have that copy apparently per a couple real lawyers here in some copyright discussion here on slashdot earlier this year.
I guess that is why most often they sue folks who distribute to them or their agents.
Here are the basic types N = Androstenone R = Androsterone L = Androstenol D = Androstadienone B = Beta-androstenol C = Copulins
Androstenone is lust/alpha. I've been told by women this "smells like man". Androsterone is warm/father/trust type. Promotes conversation in both sexes. Copulins have been shown to raise testosterone levels in about 20 minutes in healthy males (something females would use normally).
These work. In extremely tiny quantities. On about 40% of females in my experience and dramatically for about 15%. They are excellent for males with naturally low alpha pheromones including aging males (like me). If you overdose you will get into fights in bars, get headaches, and scare away females- you have been warned.
The rest (and oxytocin (sp?)) I haven't had luck with. They will not overcome yellow dirty teeth, bad B/O, acting like a wimp, hideous fashion sense. They give an edge and multiply positive emotions. They do not fix or overcome massive negative emotions. So dress well, have good hygiene, be cocky/funny, and add these in and you will have better luck. For the ladies, adding copulins in makes males more aggressive (if you like that).
They are not cheap. They are not expensive. $29 to $79 for about 6 months supply.
I use love-scent but there are other sites. I was attracted to love-scent because it has a long deep history and they had a research bias in their forums.
We are not dogs or insects. The brain matters. Both of you getting drunk will probably have a stronger effect than mones.
Because they were going to promote a vendor neutral standard that anyone could write a word processor for.
And now it looks like they have been bullied and bribed and have rolled over on their back and are whimpering like a whipped cur.
'How many fingers, Winston?' said O'Brien. Four. I suppose there are four. I would see five if I could. I am trying to see five.' 'Which do you wish: to persuade me that you see five, or really to see them?' 'Really to see them.' 'Again,' said O'Brien.
I have word 95 documents that crash word or that load but look weird.
The fix is to read them into openoffice 2.0 (or higher) and save them as word documents. OO is better and more stable reading many of my older word95 documents up to about 4 mb in size than Word 2003 to 2007.
I've also had word 2007 documents become corrupted so that they crash word when I try to read them. However, openoffice will read them and then I can save them often with no apparent loss of data (pointing to corrupt section headers I think).
It is that "do it like word95 did it" doesn't tell you how word95 did it unless you have the code.
It needs to say specifically what behavior is expected.
It would be like your dad telling you to mow the back lawn "like I mow it" vs saying 'Cut all the grass in the back yard to a height of no more and no less than 3 once every 14 days."' It doesn't matter how you get it cut to 3"- you could use sharks with frikkin laser beams, robots with little scissors, or a wide variety of lawn mowers from many different manufacturers.
I completely agree that you have to separate the genders. On average men are larger and stronger than females.
The laws and the courts need to be gender neutral but the actual prisons have to be realistic and not idealistic.
I think coed prisons would be cause a lot of problems.
I think prisons need a lot more surveillance along with recording. Then when a prisoner says a guard abused them (or another prisoner) you have a clear record of what happened. There are just too many surveillance 'dead' areas in prisons apparently.
I suspect the sports issue affected a lot of people but I was not aware of it because I entered the market a couple years later when longer tapes were standard and I was not a sports fan.
I will say one other thing on the 5.5 hour issue. It was a problem since most network movies (with commercials) ran 2.0 hours back then (8pm to 10pm cst). You could fit 2 movies and then you were screwed. So you had to watch it and pause it during commercial breaks. It was likewise a problem on HBO because movies tended to be 1.5 hours to 2.0 hours. So I frequently ended up with 30 minutes to an hour unusable tape left.
I got my credit report yesterday actually (from the real site: Annualcreditreport.com NOT the scam site: freecreditreport.com)
My credit report shows 12 promotional inquiries by businesses wishing to extend me pre-approved cards between january and may. I'm sure they paid a fee to the credit agency each time. Freezing my credit might turnoff that revenue stream.
The way Microsoft ended Vb6 with no easy upgrade path to.net both irritated developers here and stranded some of them in vb6 with no path to.net. Some of them trained to java (tho they would have preferred.net).
I agree with you that female on male is low incidence. I can't agree on female vs female.
I suspect it is more like the question of female battering of males in domestic relationships. Female violence to men is very common but ignored. I suspect female on female violence and forced sex is similarly ignored. There are some signs the pendulum is starting to swing but currently males are still in a 60 year long period of being over-portrayed as bad or stupid while females are over-portrayed as innocent victims.
However, it's not work safe to research the issue.:)
My point was to highlight the implicit demonization of males (once again) while ignoring the fact that humans with power abuse other humans. Males had a period where they were more powerful so they did more of the abuse. As the power shifts, we see women are not naturally nicer than men- they just had less power and opportunity to be abusive.
So we need to put laws and procedures into place that are gender blind and do not presume one person is telling the truth or innocent just because of their gender.
I do not remember the shorter beta times you mention being a problem when I owned a beta machine however I probably bought a couple years after introduction as prices dropped into the $400 to $500 range.
However, I clearly remember Beta tapes going 5.5 hours.
Wiki supports that memory here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCR Sony made thinner tape and still slower speed to allow *over* five hours,
And I remember at the time that the 6 hour VHS tape was critical because people wanted to record 3 nights of 2 hours of the mini-series that were very popular at that time. You needed two beta tapes or one vhs tape.
I can't remember if the beta tapes were more expensive than the VHS. I think they were more expensive later as VHS really took off.
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Drugs are not donuts.
A more equivalent donut example is:
Donuts are cost $1.00 to make per dozen.
Fresh donuts are sold for $1.25 in the poor section of town.
Fresh donuts are sold for $2.50 in the rich section of town.
Fresh donuts are sold for $15.50 in the american section of town.
It is illegal to buy donuts for $1.25 or $2.50 and import the american section of town even tho it only would cost $.50 to pay for gas and labor to do so.
So this is why I have to pay $19.99 for a DVD that sells for $2.49 in most of the rest of the world?
I agree that legal liability might be a factor in drug prices. I'm not sure it explains a 5,000% difference but we litigate too much and those other countries are too little able to litigate.
As a believer in and a supporter of real capitalism, I think you need to educate yourself about the working conditions of the people making the product and then buy the least expensive products. There is nothing sacred about being american and i have no special rights over any other person in the world. My ultimate security is served by the entire world being well fed and after enough consumer goods that they decide not to have large numbers of children.
.40 cents a day is more of a personal judgement call. It's not fair to require a third world laborer to have all of the protections of a first world laborer- the end result would be that they do not work. We need to keep the heat on the clothing manufacturers to constantly raise conditions there but accept that they are going to be worse off than here until they get their economies going.
I'm only against the practice of having me subsidize the rest of the world. Ideally, my wages will drop towards theirs but my costs will also drop. Right now- the companies are cutting our wages but having laws passed to keep my costs high.
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Notice I said look into who makes the product. Because some countries have slave labor problems. Some countries are massively poisoning the environment. Obviously the products are cheaper under those conditions but morally I shouldn't buy those cheaper products. OTH, where they are "exploiting" labor by paying them 75 cents a day but without them the labor was making
Okay... so I'm selling you a product for an arbitrary price. .007 cents per gallon.
I have to make $500k to stay in business.
I want to make $100k more to keep me working in the business (since that gives me $80k take home). Say that works out to
Now you change the law- make me install new sensors- etc. etc.
I'm still going to want $80k take home pay. I still have to make $500k to keep the business going. Who is going to pay for the sensors, installation, and monitoring? Me? The oil company? No.
Of course-- you are going to pay for installing the sensors, installation, and monitoring. So the price is going to be more accurate- but it is going to be higher.
It's part of the reason cars that are $10,000 in some countries are $23,000 here. A long series of "well this is only $200 so we should require it" laws has grossly inflated our car prices. It inflates our labor costs too.
So you can be over charged and pay $1.08 for $1.00 of gas and spend $525 a year on gas or you can be accurately charged for the gass and spend $535 a year on gas.
Your call. People should let this particular issue go in my opinion.
Lol.
How naive.
This is a very temporary situation. They are basically pumping money out of the 1st world into their pockets. There is a limited amount of time they can do that.
The canadians most likely did what some states were doing here in 2000. Giving so many inducements that it actually cost them money to attract the businesses (10 years no taxes-- AND we will pay all medical and social costs for your employees. Oh wait.. "we" the state are going broke attracting business in this fashion....)
No.
.net development setup but chinese and indians get them for FREE??? And then I have to compete with them for jobs?
I think they should sell them for a profit.
And if they are selling them for a profit at 10 cents then 5.25 is obscene here.
We are getting the worst parts of capitalism without getting the benefits of it.
Yes- they should get it for 10 cents. And they should sell for 10 cents here too.
Is there some particular reason, I should pay $800 for a
This is not going to last. It will even out in the middle. But even now- it's not right. It's not remotely fair.
Because their owners are benefiting from being in a safe, stable country where the government does not nationalize them and the people do not kidnap, torture, and murder them.
However- they just need to keep up their current trends for another decade or two. We'll be just like Russia or China and their will not be a safe place for the rich to roost any more.
Extending the trend to it's ultimate ...
You have one "american" employee leading an "american" company with 100,000 employees from every other country on earth.
The products which cost pennies to produce- are nonetheless priced at "full retail" in the american market while being sold for much lower prices profitably in other countries. And of course those products are either gimmicked ("indonesian only" $25 windows) or have laws making it illegal to reimport them to the US (My blood pressure pills-- 10 cents in india, $5 here-- illegal to import and sell for 50 cents).
The one "american" only pays taxes on realized profits and income. The rest is funny money stored in various ways. Net result to American- nothing really. Net result to the company- enormous.
Should I buy that companies products? Not if I can help it.
Cool article here...n sory/pherom.html
http://www.cf.ac.uk/biosi/staff/jacob/teaching/se
Clearly he meant "proof-reading the words that are there" but he's using the form from the joke
"were wolf!"
"there wolf!"
He's just a big fan of "Young Frankenstein".
Another key difference is that vomeronasal organ currently appears to be non-functional in humans. And the VNO is outright missing in many humans. So pheromones in humans are working by some other less direct path. All things are on bell curves so perhaps a subset of humans have working VNO's but the research I've seen isn't promising.
I agree. This matches my experience as well.
Males who are not alpha males are more afraid. Anger is most often based on fear.
However I think there are alpha males who are a problem because it is a bell curve-
On one end you have the weaklings that need to abuse someone to feel strong and cover their feelings of inadequacy. I've known some who are constantly afraid when they open up. On the other end you have the guys who are almost insane with testosterone. They'll fight anyone and they have trouble with authority so today they have legal problems while in earlier ages they would have been more socially successful.
In between you have guys that like to follow, guys who are kinda balanced, and guys that naturally lead and can fight but can control their aggression and thrill seeking.
Once you have the copy in your possession, they would have to somehow prove a chain of possession back to your friend. Because it is legal for you to have that copy apparently per a couple real lawyers here in some copyright discussion here on slashdot earlier this year.
I guess that is why most often they sue folks who distribute to them or their agents.
Here are the basic types
N = Androstenone R = Androsterone L = Androstenol
D = Androstadienone B = Beta-androstenol C = Copulins
Androstenone is lust/alpha. I've been told by women this "smells like man".
Androsterone is warm/father/trust type. Promotes conversation in both sexes.
Copulins have been shown to raise testosterone levels in about 20 minutes in healthy males (something females would use normally).
These work. In extremely tiny quantities. On about 40% of females in my experience and dramatically for about 15%. They are excellent for males with naturally low alpha pheromones including aging males (like me). If you overdose you will get into fights in bars, get headaches, and scare away females- you have been warned.
The rest (and oxytocin (sp?)) I haven't had luck with. They will not overcome yellow dirty teeth, bad B/O, acting like a wimp, hideous fashion sense. They give an edge and multiply positive emotions. They do not fix or overcome massive negative emotions. So dress well, have good hygiene, be cocky/funny, and add these in and you will have better luck. For the ladies, adding copulins in makes males more aggressive (if you like that).
They are not cheap. They are not expensive. $29 to $79 for about 6 months supply.
I use love-scent but there are other sites. I was attracted to love-scent because it has a long deep history and they had a research bias in their forums.
We are not dogs or insects. The brain matters. Both of you getting drunk will probably have a stronger effect than mones.
I agree. I don't see anything except normal discussion there.
It's slashdot, strange modding happens. Could be he has an enemy or it could be someone misread it.
Because they were going to promote a vendor neutral standard that anyone could write a word processor for.
And now it looks like they have been bullied and bribed and have rolled over on their back and are whimpering like a whipped cur.
'How many fingers, Winston?' said O'Brien.
Four. I suppose there are four. I would see five if I could. I am trying to see five.'
'Which do you wish: to persuade me that you see five, or really to see them?'
'Really to see them.'
'Again,' said O'Brien.
I have word 95 documents that crash word or that load but look weird.
The fix is to read them into openoffice 2.0 (or higher) and save them as word documents.
OO is better and more stable reading many of my older word95 documents up to about 4 mb in size than Word 2003 to 2007.
I've also had word 2007 documents become corrupted so that they crash word when I try to read them. However, openoffice will read them and then I can save them often with no apparent loss of data (pointing to corrupt section headers I think).
It is not that it is legacy.
It is that "do it like word95 did it" doesn't tell you how word95 did it unless you have the code.
It needs to say specifically what behavior is expected.
It would be like your dad telling you to mow the back lawn "like I mow it" vs saying 'Cut all the grass in the back yard to a height of no more and no less than 3 once every 14 days."' It doesn't matter how you get it cut to 3"- you could use sharks with frikkin laser beams, robots with little scissors, or a wide variety of lawn mowers from many different manufacturers.
I completely agree that you have to separate the genders. On average men are larger and stronger than females.
The laws and the courts need to be gender neutral but the actual prisons have to be realistic and not idealistic.
I think coed prisons would be cause a lot of problems.
I think prisons need a lot more surveillance along with recording. Then when a prisoner says a guard abused them (or another prisoner) you have a clear record of what happened. There are just too many surveillance 'dead' areas in prisons apparently.
Yes.
I suspect the sports issue affected a lot of people but I was not aware of it because I entered the market a couple years later when longer tapes were standard and I was not a sports fan.
I will say one other thing on the 5.5 hour issue. It was a problem since most network movies (with commercials) ran 2.0 hours back then (8pm to 10pm cst). You could fit 2 movies and then you were screwed. So you had to watch it and pause it during commercial breaks. It was likewise a problem on HBO because movies tended to be 1.5 hours to 2.0 hours. So I frequently ended up with 30 minutes to an hour unusable tape left.
I do not think that is correct.
I got my credit report yesterday actually (from the real site: Annualcreditreport.com NOT the scam site: freecreditreport.com)
My credit report shows 12 promotional inquiries by businesses wishing to extend me pre-approved cards between january and may. I'm sure they paid a fee to the credit agency each time. Freezing my credit might turnoff that revenue stream.
The way Microsoft ended Vb6 with no easy upgrade path to .net both irritated developers here and stranded some of them in vb6 with no path to .net. Some of them trained to java (tho they would have preferred .net).
I agree with you that female on male is low incidence. I can't agree on female vs female.
:)
I suspect it is more like the question of female battering of males in domestic relationships. Female violence to men is very common but ignored. I suspect female on female violence and forced sex is similarly ignored. There are some signs the pendulum is starting to swing but currently males are still in a 60 year long period of being over-portrayed as bad or stupid while females are over-portrayed as innocent victims.
However, it's not work safe to research the issue.
My point was to highlight the implicit demonization of males (once again) while ignoring the fact that humans with power abuse other humans. Males had a period where they were more powerful so they did more of the abuse. As the power shifts, we see women are not naturally nicer than men- they just had less power and opportunity to be abusive.
So we need to put laws and procedures into place that are gender blind and do not presume one person is telling the truth or innocent just because of their gender.
I do not remember the shorter beta times you mention being a problem when I owned a beta machine however I probably bought a couple years after introduction as prices dropped into the $400 to $500 range.
However, I clearly remember Beta tapes going 5.5 hours.
Wiki supports that memory here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCR
Sony made thinner tape and still slower speed to allow *over* five hours,
And I remember at the time that the 6 hour VHS tape was critical because people wanted to record 3 nights of 2 hours of the mini-series that were very popular at that time. You needed two beta tapes or one vhs tape.
I can't remember if the beta tapes were more expensive than the VHS. I think they were more expensive later as VHS really took off.
Beta was much clearer but was more expensive and had 5.5 hour tapes.
VHS ruled because 6 hour miniseries and price outweighed quality.