You realize they can't support other distributions right? They can't even ensure that they'll work properly.
Fully testing a distribution on a given piece of hardware probably takes a man-month.
Trying to fix issues that don't work increases that time line.
The best they could do is set up a standard test- run it against a given distribution and give it a percentage pass rating.
Would you seriously pay them $890 for a laptop with a version of linux that passes 97% of tests and they'll show you a list of the 3% of the tests that fail so you can decide if you want to figure out and fix them or not on your own. Myself- I want everything to just work. And that means they can really only use a couple standard flavors.
Say what you want man-- IT IS IN THE BOOK. It's legal for them to lie to me. If you are islamic, then it's legal for you to lie to me. You can say anything you want to me since I'm Dhimmi and destined for Dhimmitude.
Thanks for the heads on on christianity however. I've encountered christians like this and thought they were not following their faith. A huge number of them arguing over evolution are clearly lying and know they are lying (global search and replace of "creationism" with "intelligent design" anyone...).
However, I don't get the same creepy alien feeling off of them (most the time) that I got in my dealings with islamic types. When I deal with islamics, I usually get the same feeling I get when I deal with christian cultists (aka jehovah's witness, mormons, etc.) They concern me and go on my "these people are dangerous" radar.
After 20 years of this crap, I've reached a point that your arguments are not going to shift my position much. I'm just speaking my piece to provide a little counterweight to your astro-turfing of this argument.
The key problem I have with islam is that islamics are morally okay with lying to non-believers. I've encountered it in my own experiences with them 15 years ago. There is definately an alien quality in dealing with them since some very basic axioms are different.
Right there, I lose all basis for having any reasonable discussion with them since anything they say can be a lie.
I wasn't happy with it until the last release and it won't be everything I need until 2.3.
The one thing we don't want to do is put out a pile of crap (and.94 and even 1.04 were not up to professional standards folks were used to) that makes people think OO is bad.
Yes but the point of his argument is that right now the publishers are having it both ways.
They allow (in the past *ENCOURAGED*) piracy among certain users to gain the benefit of the "network effect".
The day everyone has to pay the appropriate price for microsoft software is the day they start losing.
Win3.11 was *given* to pirates to pass around for free back in the day.
Basically, companies that sell to businesses don't mind home users pirating (because they wouldn't buy it anyway), they get the network effect, they and the businesses get essentially free training, and businesses still have to pay because they have something to lose (unlike your average home owner/pirate).
Science would involve actually testing multiple proposed methods and perhaps figuring out general principles (a 'theory') of what would work generally.
What you are saying is more equivalent to Edison.
Both edison and einsteen were brilliant but one was a scientist and the other was an inventor.
--- Why do joggers fear einsteen? Because like all evil genius's, he hunts them for meat.
---- So in 1950, they could afford a typical house on a single years earnings, and a typical car on 1/9th of their income.
---- If energy went up 25% and everything (including salaries) went up 25%, it would be a net wash.
--- So it only matters if something doesn't go up.
Cars are about the same price as they were in 1950. The average person earns $40,000 today. A cheap car is $12,000->$14000 with tt&l or about 1/3 of salary. A cheap car then was $1,339 ir about a third of their annual salary.
--- Basically income is up from $3,300 to $40,000 (or about 12x). Anything that hasn't increased in price by 12x has gotten cheaper. So gas should be $2.40. Hmm. looks on target. A Top of the line TV should be about $6,000. Looks about right. Maybe TV's are even cheaper. Campbells pork & beans should be $3.00. I think they are about $1.80. So a bargain (tho in 1950 you were getting much healthier, REAL, unhormoned, antibiotic'd meat... so maybe we should compare it to organic foods) ---
And our houses are bigger (My 1955 house is tiny compared to my friends 2002 house).
--- Inflation will get you bad if you retire and don't leave about a third of your money in equities.
In our case, it involved about 40 people and about 1200 hours were billed. Tens of thousands of machines patched. Hundreds of pieces of software considered.
Real projects were pushed back 4-6 weeks for this non-work.
Agree about "a day's work for a day's pay" angle you have. In fact, it's how we work around here-- any given day you can be off one project and on another random one that is now higher priority.
But, I'm pretty sure this cost us at least 2-3 weeks of real productivity.
What was shocking to me was not that my company dumped the DST thing on me with about 60 days to go when I asked "Who is working on this? It's going to be a problem". I know we should have started working on it right after the prior DST change in november.
What's shocking to me is that we were getting VENDOR patches as late as friday of last week. All of our vendors should have been ready a week after the last DST change in november. Even Microsoft (who I dislike philosophically but who did an awesome job supporting us in this area) was delivering new patches a week before go time.
That's because every time you get an experienced batch of 45 year old programmers, they replace them with another batch of inexperienced 22 year old college kids.
The last project delivered by IBM (three "teams" of basically college kids under three seasoned vets) had some extremely boneheaded obvious mistakes. The basic design was pretty good (effect of the vets probably) We spent over 4 years fixing what we could but without a clear ROI some things will never be fixed.
Hiring inexperienced programmers always pushes the costs into the future tho. You don't pay today. You get the product delivered and get promoted out. The mess comes later and is covered by the next guy or the support programmers.
Actually the direction my windows shop is going is absolutely no install rights.
That's where corporations are going. Windows is just too big a target for virus writers to allow people to accidentally install something by clicking on a link in IE or to install something "cool" on purpose that they download (like a screensaver).
And having just worked on the DST update project, I can see why. We had hundreds of programs with no owner- no one to patch them that were not centrally administered by SMS.
Another challenge we had was java. 1) We dont' seem to have any SMS like administration of Java. 2) There isn't one java-- there are many. And patching some of them to newer versions would break them. Very late we found out about a sun utility that would update just the daylight savings time portion of the older jars.
Basically tho- We really need to get java under control- the company wants to go that way and right now there is no centralized management for hundreds of servers and thousands of desktop installations.
Actually, that's exactly what I did with my last five points on monday.
I up-moderated non-anonymous comments that had been down-modded.
When I moderate I don't bother with the up-modded comments because 99% of the time (or more) they are correct.
I had an email exchange with cowboy about this saying the metamoderating should have more negative comments than positive comments and he just got irritated after a couple exchanges and didn't see the pointlessness of metamoderating +5Insightful comments.
As much as I dislike Microsoft- I dislike Slashdot's scummy moderating other times.
This guy has as much right to express his opinion as anyone and it's shitty and cowardly to mod him down just because he's pro-microsoft.
I personally am happy with OOO2.1 which finally loads my most complicated documents and I can see the day that I leave microsoft behind entirely approaching rapidly.
I mean -- come on-- $1300 for full office- maybe $200 for the "discount"- with vendor lock-in by microsoft and a stated preference that they want to go to software as service in the future.
Compared to... $000 for the full OOO and $0 for the discounted version and it will continue to be free in the future. AND my bloody documents in OOO are about 1MB smaller on average than in Word 2003.
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And fiber is going to be the data that hides everything else.
All linux distributions, pirated movies & songs, and phone calls are mere background noise to a HD movie being sent to 10,000 subscribers.
You realize they can't support other distributions right?
They can't even ensure that they'll work properly.
Fully testing a distribution on a given piece of hardware probably takes a man-month.
Trying to fix issues that don't work increases that time line.
The best they could do is set up a standard test- run it against a given distribution and give it a percentage pass rating.
Would you seriously pay them $890 for a laptop with a version of linux that passes 97% of tests and they'll show you a list of the 3% of the tests that fail so you can decide if you want to figure out and fix them or not on your own. Myself- I want everything to just work. And that means they can really only use a couple standard flavors.
Say what you want man-- IT IS IN THE BOOK. It's legal for them to lie to me. If you are islamic, then it's legal for you to lie to me. You can say anything you want to me since I'm Dhimmi and destined for Dhimmitude.
Thanks for the heads on on christianity however. I've encountered christians like this and thought they were not following their faith. A huge number of them arguing over evolution are clearly lying and know they are lying (global search and replace of "creationism" with "intelligent design" anyone...).
However, I don't get the same creepy alien feeling off of them (most the time) that I got in my dealings with islamic types. When I deal with islamics, I usually get the same feeling I get when I deal with christian cultists (aka jehovah's witness, mormons, etc.) They concern me and go on my "these people are dangerous" radar.
Word of mouth mostly.
The only shows I watch are dog whisperer and galactica.
I'm really overbooked between Mmorgs (1.5d), ultimate(1.5d), dancing(1d), and dating(2d) take up my time.
Also Boardgaming and D&D a few days a month.
After 20 years of this crap, I've reached a point that your arguments are not going to shift my position much. I'm just speaking my piece to provide a little counterweight to your astro-turfing of this argument.
The key problem I have with islam is that islamics are morally okay with lying to non-believers. I've encountered it in my own experiences with them 15 years ago. There is definately an alien quality in dealing with them since some very basic axioms are different.
Right there, I lose all basis for having any reasonable discussion with them since anything they say can be a lie.
Unfaithfully,
Your wary Dhimmi.
OTH, it's the first time I've been down-modded before even being up-modded.
Looks like I made a cowardly enemy out there somewhere.
Overrated... the new chicken shit moderating system.
I recommend you give OOo 2.1 a look.
I have some enormously complicated documents with hundreds of graphics and 2.1 is the first version to import them correctly.
I also recommend you open your wife's document *every* release and generate any crash reports you can. That's the only way it will meet your eneds.
2.3 looks to be a fabulous release too.
I've been noodling with it since .94.
.94 and even 1.04 were not up to professional standards folks were used to) that makes people think OO is bad.
I wasn't happy with it until the last release and it won't be everything I need until 2.3.
The one thing we don't want to do is put out a pile of crap (and
As of 2.1, it looks ready to show off to people.
Yes but the point of his argument is that right now the publishers are having it both ways.
They allow (in the past *ENCOURAGED*) piracy among certain users to gain the benefit of the "network effect".
The day everyone has to pay the appropriate price for microsoft software is the day they start losing.
Win3.11 was *given* to pirates to pass around for free back in the day.
Basically, companies that sell to businesses don't mind home users pirating (because they wouldn't buy it anyway), they get the network effect, they and the businesses get essentially free training, and businesses still have to pay because they have something to lose (unlike your average home owner/pirate).
Actually, I see it more as "now they have resources enough to be worth suing".
If they had been sued before, their value would have dried up to nothing and Viacom would have won an empty husk (much like napster).
Google has deep pockets.
Wonder how much a controlling interest in Viacom costs?
I mean heck- Microsoft did it when they lost to Stak.
No that's "problem solving".
Science would involve actually testing multiple proposed methods and perhaps figuring out general principles (a 'theory') of what would work generally.
What you are saying is more equivalent to Edison.
Both edison and einsteen were brilliant but one was a scientist and the other was an inventor.
---
Why do joggers fear einsteen? Because like all evil genius's, he hunts them for meat.
Costs are very relative.
For example:
http://www.aau.edu/aau/MasseyCharts.pdf
an experienced PHD earned under $20,000 in 1950.
an experienced PHD earned about $33,000 in 1960.
an experienced PHD earned about $40,000 in 1970.
In all three cases, they were earning VERY good money.
From
http://www.fiftiesweb.com/pop/prices-1950.htm
House: $14,500
Average income: $3,216
Ford car: $1339-$2262
Philco model 1403 TV: $199
Admiral "home entertainment" TV system: $549.50
12" records: $4.85
10" records: $2.85
Milk: $.82
Gas: $.20
Bread $.14
Postage stamp: $.03
Pumpkins : $.02 cents a lb
Campbell's Pork & Beans - (2) 1 lb. cans: $.25
Sirloin steak: $.77 lb
Kraft Mayonnaise - quart jar: $.62.
----
So in 1950, they could afford a typical house on a single years earnings, and a typical car on 1/9th of their income.
----
If energy went up 25% and everything (including salaries) went up 25%, it would be a net wash.
---
So it only matters if something doesn't go up.
Cars are about the same price as they were in 1950.
The average person earns $40,000 today.
A cheap car is $12,000->$14000 with tt&l or about 1/3 of salary.
A cheap car then was $1,339 ir about a third of their annual salary.
---
Basically income is up from $3,300 to $40,000 (or about 12x).
Anything that hasn't increased in price by 12x has gotten cheaper.
So gas should be $2.40. Hmm. looks on target.
A Top of the line TV should be about $6,000. Looks about right. Maybe TV's are even cheaper.
Campbells pork & beans should be $3.00. I think they are about $1.80. So a bargain (tho in 1950 you were getting much healthier, REAL, unhormoned, antibiotic'd meat... so maybe we should compare it to organic foods)
---
And our houses are bigger (My 1955 house is tiny compared to my friends 2002 house).
---
Inflation will get you bad if you retire and don't leave about a third of your money in equities.
In our case, it involved about 40 people and about 1200 hours were billed.
Tens of thousands of machines patched.
Hundreds of pieces of software considered.
Real projects were pushed back 4-6 weeks for this non-work.
Agree about "a day's work for a day's pay" angle you have. In fact, it's how we work around here-- any given day you can be off one project and on another random one that is now higher priority.
But, I'm pretty sure this cost us at least 2-3 weeks of real productivity.
There are many kinds of smart.
Some of them are cultural.
Some of them are inherent physically.
People who have the currently popular versions of smart are treated as smart by society.
In the french court, calculus counted for nothing- but you could basically kill a person with the right witty saying.
What was shocking to me was not that my company dumped the DST thing on me with about 60 days to go when I asked "Who is working on this? It's going to be a problem". I know we should have started working on it right after the prior DST change in november.
What's shocking to me is that we were getting VENDOR patches as late as friday of last week. All of our vendors should have been ready a week after the last DST change in november. Even Microsoft (who I dislike philosophically but who did an awesome job supporting us in this area) was delivering new patches a week before go time.
That's because every time you get an experienced batch of 45 year old programmers, they replace them with another batch of inexperienced 22 year old college kids.
The last project delivered by IBM (three "teams" of basically college kids under three seasoned vets) had some extremely boneheaded obvious mistakes. The basic design was pretty good (effect of the vets probably) We spent over 4 years fixing what we could but without a clear ROI some things will never be fixed.
Hiring inexperienced programmers always pushes the costs into the future tho. You don't pay today. You get the product delivered and get promoted out. The mess comes later and is covered by the next guy or the support programmers.
I have real estate, stocks, make a good income.
It takes me a grand total of 2 hours to do mine by hand.
Something *FREE* like this would be a nice extra safety check.
Unless you have a huge amount of money (top 5% of the country) you probably don't need advanced software or tax accounting methods.
Well actually going slowly is the key to it being fun vs painful.
Actually the direction my windows shop is going is absolutely no install rights.
That's where corporations are going. Windows is just too big a target for virus writers to allow people to accidentally install something by clicking on a link in IE or to install something "cool" on purpose that they download (like a screensaver).
And having just worked on the DST update project, I can see why. We had hundreds of programs with no owner- no one to patch them that were not centrally administered by SMS.
Another challenge we had was java.
1) We dont' seem to have any SMS like administration of Java.
2) There isn't one java-- there are many. And patching some of them to newer versions would break them. Very late we found out about a sun utility that would update just the daylight savings time portion of the older jars.
Basically tho- We really need to get java under control- the company wants to go that way and right now there is no centralized management for hundreds of servers and thousands of desktop installations.
I would say someone woke up to the danger of their position on the speaker of the house's use of their video.
They probably said "You can't do that" then realized they could lose their license to print money if they kept pushing that position.
Actually, that's exactly what I did with my last five points on monday.
I up-moderated non-anonymous comments that had been down-modded.
When I moderate I don't bother with the up-modded comments because 99% of the time (or more) they are correct.
I had an email exchange with cowboy about this saying the metamoderating should have more negative comments than positive comments and he just got irritated after a couple exchanges and didn't see the pointlessness of metamoderating +5Insightful comments.
As much as I dislike Microsoft- I dislike Slashdot's scummy moderating other times.
... $000 for the full OOO and $0 for the discounted version and it will continue to be free in the future. AND my bloody documents in OOO are about 1MB smaller on average than in Word 2003.
This guy has as much right to express his opinion as anyone and it's shitty and cowardly to mod him down just because he's pro-microsoft.
I personally am happy with OOO2.1 which finally loads my most complicated documents and I can see the day that I leave microsoft behind entirely approaching rapidly.
I mean -- come on-- $1300 for full office- maybe $200 for the "discount"- with vendor lock-in by microsoft and a stated preference that they want to go to software as service in the future.
Compared to
Man, you should see a doctor about that.
Two misspellings and no grammar warnings.
And this is Slashdot- not a grammar primer.
Hate to rain on the coward parade but in fact they did just that on the 4th hijacked plane and brought it down (likely saving the capital building).
And that was in an environment very different than today.
Today, we would beat the hell out of the guy (and have a few times) since we know we are going to be dead anyway.