Effectively- they ARE suing users of the vehicles.
Because in the end- that's who will pay an extra $500 to $1000 per car- not the automakers- not the executives- maybe some employees will be cut tho. So okay- drivers and auto employees are going to be screwed by this lawsuit in the end.
Either 'art' makes a difference to people or it doesn't.
Either it is a light froth which doesn't have an effect on people's behavior (good or bad).
Or it influences people.
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I think in the 50's psycho boy would be made- maybe get into a fist fight. But since he hadn't seen how to blow people away, that is as far as it goes. I think people who are prone to bad things find ways to express themselves when they see a demonstration of how to do it.
I think some people who would be okay are corrupted by things they would not have been able to see in the past.
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But freedom of speech is a bitch and you really can't put the genie back in the bottle.
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In a perfect world- you would somehow isolate people from all these bad concepts until they were older. Freedom of speech - sure. But freedom *from* speech too. People used to go off and form communities which could say "if you want to be part of this community you can't say or do these things". Today, it is increasingly difficult to enforce those concepts.
As one of the other responders pointed out- it depends on the stakes.
We joke- but not in the "raid instruction channel".
If it involves losing 5 minutes- we probably don't mind.
But if you do something stupid while joking around and the result is 4 hours of *completely* wasted time for 40 other people- it just doesnt' feel like a joking matter any more.
Give me 15 seconds access on your work or home computer and I can get you fired and likely put into prison for years with no evidence it was anyone but you.
With cameras and cross-reference all records of people's purchases too.
That way we can build profiles of what child pornography people buy so we can profile other likely sickos. And we can also pull up records of every move they made and everyone they met or talked to since they were born so we can then check on those people and their contacts.
It's really necessary to save the children.
oh.. and to fight terrorists.
In fact, it would be better if we just put EVERYONE in 10' locked cells so we can keep an eye on them so they will never have a chance to do anything bad.
Well at the least, cows farting and belching has an effect (pretty big too from what I remember). (you can google this easily).
It makes sense that 1 billion breathing humans crammed into an area the size of india would affect the microclimate (increased Co2, increased moisture). But no citations here.
It boils down to the fact that living in america is currently more desirable so the cost of living here is being bid up.
It does not cost $750,000 to buy a middle class house in China. $50,000 annual salary is not considered poverty wages like it is in new york.
They are a few decades behind us in terms of inflation (at one point it would have been a hundred years but things are flattening quickly).
Very quickly- the rich are going to be the only people with houses in the safe areas with good weather. Just simple economics- even if a poor person has it now, the rich person will buy it from them- and if they won't sell, the rich person has the government condemn their property and sell it to the rich person. The government will do this since the rich person can pay them $12,000 annual taxes while the poor person would only pay $3,000 annual taxes.
It is all a question of how desirable is it to live somewhere. As the communist countries stablize to the point where rich people are not afraid of being killed or having their property confiscated by the government, they will bid the hell out of those low prices. And just like people find it cheaper to live in nevada and FLY to work in california, people will not be able to afford to live in the pretty chinese areas with good weather either.
1800 Census: 5,309,000 1850 Census: 23,191,867 (when a lot of those 1800's persons became famous) 1900 Census: 75,995,000
However, using today's populations compared to the above list there should be at least 1 or 2 Belgians so famous that most people in the world would recognize their names.
Part of what makes them famous was that they were part of the American experiment which truly was different from the rest of the world until about 20 to 30 years ago. Now the vested interests have gained control and we are becoming like any other old country. They control things from the shadows and make sure no new Martin Luther King or John F. Kennedy's arise to upset the order of things. We get a bunch of nebbishes who are hard to tell apart from each other.
And someone wasted their points modding down your off topic anon comment- it would have been invisibile to most anyway.
Don't really care myself- you can only go so negative and you can only go so positive. And slashdot isn't the be-all, end-all of existence. In 24 hours none of this will be ready by anyone any more anyway.
Yup. I've never disagreed with someone who modded something positively.
I only disagree with people who mod things down. In my experience, *most* (2/3?) mods down are incorrect and *most* (9/10?) mods up are correct.
I had a futile email conversation with cowboy neal about this. I said, why give me 10 things to meta moderate with 9 of them positive and 99% correct (rarely is an "up mod" incorrect). I asked, "Why not give a preponderance of negative mods- because that is much more likely to be a biased mod."
In actuality, I agree with the underlying principle. Google was making money off this and probably reducing the paper's subscriber base (since they could just google it). The actual provider of the news is disconnected from the article-- I and others view google as the source even if they credit the newspaper. If this happens enough, the newspaper loses most of its subscribers and goes out of business.*
Where I disagree is the period (increasing towards "forever" every day).
* A related thing happened at dance lessons this week. A person told us to go to "store x" to try on some dancing shoes to make sure they fit but then said explicitly, "do not buy them there- buy them online at 'xxxx.com'." I have very grey morals but this statement bothered me. If everyone did this- there will not be a local store to try them on to see if they fit. As a realist, I recognize that my purchasing shoes there will not help them stay in business so doing so will just result in me pissing away an extra $30 on the shoes. As an idealist, I think in this case, I will buy the shoes locally anyway. OTH, I buy boardgames online every day- I do not see any value added by the local gaming stores so why subsidize them, when I could buy an extra game and keep the manufacturers in business? Tricky.
In compliance with international standards for humor (sec 4242, paragraph D) this is a notification that the following statement is a joke:
> I don't know... looking on google, I don't find anything happening in Belgium.
In the event that you did not get the immediately preceding joke, you should consult the works of Urbain Servranckx and immediately consume at least two stiff drinks.
A lot worse is relative. Around $4 per gallon (current dollars) a lot of other options start opening up. Gas won't go higher than about $2.00 in 1980 dollars. There is a ton of oil that can be extracted at those prices and lots of alternatives are profitable at those prices. Also, at those prices, people start structuring their lives differently. If it is going to save 2 house payments a year, it often becomes worth it to move within a few miles of your work. I almost did this before my company had its first round of layoffs ever (only 50 people- but it was a massive culture hit). Currently driving 14 miles a day - so saving 22 miles a day of gas would be roughly $2.50 a work day- $50 a month- $600 a year.. basically half a house payment. And you don't pay taxes on savings so it would be roughly equal to getting a $1,200 a year raise. Given housing commissions of 5% tho- it would take 12 years to reach break even. I'm trying to get in a financial situation where I can comfortably use a 1% broker. Or maybe I'll just remodel and stay where I am.
This happens a lot. The number of people moderating must be fairly small- so sometimes they can't moderate a comment they dislike all the way down if folks keep modding it up. It is why you should mostly moderate UP zero's that you think have been unfairly modded.
I've never wasted my mod points modding anything down. I've never metamoderated something down yet.
I have a related reaction. Girls under 30 remind me too much of my daughter. Women who are 35 to 50 seem red hot to me now.
As far as the old shows go- Sally Kellerman was hot as a psionic babe and will always be for me (hell she was hot to me in Back to School when I was 30). She just has the most fantastic personality. And she's older than my mom! But she was only 29is during star trek!
It doesn't make any difference. In 12 years, it made a difference in *one* vote. The results of the rest were predetermined by my heavily gerrymandered district. Doesn't matter if I vote for or against something or someone. It's already determined 70 / 30. The issues or candidates I get to vote for or against were pre-selected by the party elite and corporations. All my vote does is legitimize an illegitimate process. I still do-- there was the time I was vote #31 in turning out an incumbant for a new guy who hadn't been corrupted yet.
What's with this voting messages lately? I have typed this same message 3 times in the last 3 days-- and not at all for the 3 months before that.
Who cares about low voter turnout? They only want high voter turn out to "validate" and get buy in from the masses.
The elections are increasingly rigged to where your vote doesn't matter. Folks realise this and say-- why bother going down to cast a useless vote for a result that I already know the results?
Turnout is high when you have a real issue and the vote matters.
I keep saying this but a lot of fools seem to think they really have a chance of changing things.
One of my votes since 1998 has mattered. ONE.
Even then, I was #31.
My district is so gerrymandered. If I was a republican- my vote doesn't matter. If I was a democrat- my vote doesn't matter.
And then on top of that- I only get to vote for candidates that were pre-selected for me by the party (aka corporations, lawyers, and politicians (who are beholden to the corporations) ).
Why vote when it is going to be 70/30 for a candidate already owned by corporations.
It is crazy. At least we still have relative freedom in obscurity about the other issues you mention. it may be illegal but apparently 4.7 % of boomers are doing pot these days.
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Effectively- they ARE suing users of the vehicles.
Because in the end- that's who will pay an extra $500 to $1000 per car- not the automakers- not the executives- maybe some employees will be cut tho. So okay- drivers and auto employees are going to be screwed by this lawsuit in the end.
Either 'art' makes a difference to people or it doesn't.
Either it is a light froth which doesn't have an effect on people's behavior (good or bad).
Or it influences people.
---
I think in the 50's psycho boy would be made- maybe get into a fist fight. But since he hadn't seen how to blow people away, that is as far as it goes. I think people who are prone to bad things find ways to express themselves when they see a demonstration of how to do it.
I think some people who would be okay are corrupted by things they would not have been able to see in the past.
---
But freedom of speech is a bitch and you really can't put the genie back in the bottle.
---
In a perfect world- you would somehow isolate people from all these bad concepts until they were older. Freedom of speech - sure. But freedom *from* speech too. People used to go off and form communities which could say "if you want to be part of this community you can't say or do these things". Today, it is increasingly difficult to enforce those concepts.
As one of the other responders pointed out- it depends on the stakes.
We joke- but not in the "raid instruction channel".
If it involves losing 5 minutes- we probably don't mind.
But if you do something stupid while joking around and the result is 4 hours of *completely* wasted time for 40 other people- it just doesnt' feel like a joking matter any more.
Yup,
It is about the load factor.
When we had 2 billion humans- we could do just about anything we wanted and the planet would be okay.
With 9 billion- the tolerances are much finer.
I think of deers eating and breeding until they all starve and we don't seem much different right now.
Give me 15 seconds access on your work or home computer and I can get you fired and likely put into prison for years with no evidence it was anyone but you.
With cameras and cross-reference all records of people's purchases too.
That way we can build profiles of what child pornography people buy so we can profile other likely sickos.
And we can also pull up records of every move they made and everyone they met or talked to since they were born so we can then check on those people and their contacts.
It's really necessary to save the children.
oh.. and to fight terrorists.
In fact, it would be better if we just put EVERYONE in 10' locked cells so we can keep an eye on them so they will never have a chance to do anything bad.
Well at the least, cows farting and belching has an effect (pretty big too from what I remember). (you can google this easily).
It makes sense that 1 billion breathing humans crammed into an area the size of india would affect the microclimate (increased Co2, increased moisture). But no citations here.
It boils down to the fact that living in america is currently more desirable so the cost of living here is being bid up.
It does not cost $750,000 to buy a middle class house in China. $50,000 annual salary is not considered poverty wages like it is in new york.
They are a few decades behind us in terms of inflation (at one point it would have been a hundred years but things are flattening quickly).
Very quickly- the rich are going to be the only people with houses in the safe areas with good weather. Just simple economics- even if a poor person has it now, the rich person will buy it from them- and if they won't sell, the rich person has the government condemn their property and sell it to the rich person. The government will do this since the rich person can pay them $12,000 annual taxes while the poor person would only pay $3,000 annual taxes.
It is all a question of how desirable is it to live somewhere. As the communist countries stablize to the point where rich people are not afraid of being killed or having their property confiscated by the government, they will bid the hell out of those low prices. And just like people find it cheaper to live in nevada and FLY to work in california, people will not be able to afford to live in the pretty chinese areas with good weather either.
Don't you mean "seller no longer available."
US...
1800 Census: 5,309,000
1850 Census: 23,191,867 (when a lot of those 1800's persons became famous)
1900 Census: 75,995,000
However, using today's populations compared to the above list there should be at least 1 or 2 Belgians so famous that most people in the world would recognize their names.
Part of what makes them famous was that they were part of the American experiment which truly was different from the rest of the world until about 20 to 30 years ago. Now the vested interests have gained control and we are becoming like any other old country. They control things from the shadows and make sure no new Martin Luther King or John F. Kennedy's arise to upset the order of things. We get a bunch of nebbishes who are hard to tell apart from each other.
And someone wasted their points modding down your off topic anon comment- it would have been invisibile to most anyway.
Don't really care myself- you can only go so negative and you can only go so positive. And slashdot isn't the be-all, end-all of existence. In 24 hours none of this will be ready by anyone any more anyway.
LoL.
I guess we need an article posted about moderating before we can talk about moderating articles.
I'll need to link this post as a definition of irony.
OTH, I would agree it was correctly moderated as off-topic.
Yup.
I've never disagreed with someone who modded something positively.
I only disagree with people who mod things down. In my experience, *most* (2/3?) mods down are incorrect and *most* (9/10?) mods up are correct.
I had a futile email conversation with cowboy neal about this. I said, why give me 10 things to meta moderate with 9 of them positive and 99% correct (rarely is an "up mod" incorrect). I asked, "Why not give a preponderance of negative mods- because that is much more likely to be a biased mod."
He just didn't understand or agree with my point.
In actuality, I agree with the underlying principle. Google was making money off this and probably reducing the paper's subscriber base (since they could just google it). The actual provider of the news is disconnected from the article-- I and others view google as the source even if they credit the newspaper. If this happens enough, the newspaper loses most of its subscribers and goes out of business.*
Where I disagree is the period (increasing towards "forever" every day).
* A related thing happened at dance lessons this week. A person told us to go to "store x" to try on some dancing shoes to make sure they fit but then said explicitly, "do not buy them there- buy them online at 'xxxx.com'." I have very grey morals but this statement bothered me. If everyone did this- there will not be a local store to try them on to see if they fit. As a realist, I recognize that my purchasing shoes there will not help them stay in business so doing so will just result in me pissing away an extra $30 on the shoes. As an idealist, I think in this case, I will buy the shoes locally anyway. OTH, I buy boardgames online every day- I do not see any value added by the local gaming stores so why subsidize them, when I could buy an extra game and keep the manufacturers in business? Tricky.
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> I don't know... looking on google, I don't find anything happening in Belgium.
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A lot worse is relative. Around $4 per gallon (current dollars) a lot of other options start opening up. Gas won't go higher than about $2.00 in 1980 dollars. There is a ton of oil that can be extracted at those prices and lots of alternatives are profitable at those prices. Also, at those prices, people start structuring their lives differently. If it is going to save 2 house payments a year, it often becomes worth it to move within a few miles of your work.
I almost did this before my company had its first round of layoffs ever (only 50 people- but it was a massive culture hit). Currently driving 14 miles a day - so saving 22 miles a day of gas would be roughly $2.50 a work day- $50 a month- $600 a year.. basically half a house payment. And you don't pay taxes on savings so it would be roughly equal to getting a $1,200 a year raise. Given housing commissions of 5% tho- it would take 12 years to reach break even. I'm trying to get in a financial situation where I can comfortably use a 1% broker. Or maybe I'll just remodel and stay where I am.
On the rating,
This happens a lot. The number of people moderating must be fairly small- so sometimes they can't moderate a comment they dislike all the way down if folks keep modding it up. It is why you should mostly moderate UP zero's that you think have been unfairly modded.
I've never wasted my mod points modding anything down. I've never metamoderated something down yet.
So should I pay them if I access that stack of newspapers in the garage and give a copy to a friend to read?
I don't know... looking on google, I don't find anything happening in Belgium.
LoL...
I have a related reaction. Girls under 30 remind me too much of my daughter. Women who are 35 to 50 seem red hot to me now.
As far as the old shows go- Sally Kellerman was hot as a psionic babe and will always be for me (hell she was hot to me in Back to School when I was 30). She just has the most fantastic personality. And she's older than my mom! But she was only 29is during star trek!
And basic point-- you feel comfortable to post this via your regular i.d. which from the contents of your post and web page can be tied to you.
So we still have relative security in numbers/obscurity from the government.
Just don't forget which things you are doing actually *are* illegal. It would suck to forget and toke up near a cop for example.
I vote.
It doesn't make any difference. In 12 years, it made a difference in *one* vote. The results of the rest were predetermined by my heavily gerrymandered district. Doesn't matter if I vote for or against something or someone. It's already determined 70 / 30. The issues or candidates I get to vote for or against were pre-selected by the party elite and corporations. All my vote does is legitimize an illegitimate process. I still do-- there was the time I was vote #31 in turning out an incumbant for a new guy who hadn't been corrupted yet.
What's with this voting messages lately? I have typed this same message 3 times in the last 3 days-- and not at all for the 3 months before that.
As long as the ladies still have short mini skirts, I'll be happy!
Who cares about low voter turnout? They only want high voter turn out to "validate" and get buy in from the masses.
The elections are increasingly rigged to where your vote doesn't matter. Folks realise this and say-- why bother going down to cast a useless vote for a result that I already know the results?
Turnout is high when you have a real issue and the vote matters.
I keep saying this but a lot of fools seem to think they really have a chance of changing things.
One of my votes since 1998 has mattered. ONE.
Even then, I was #31.
My district is so gerrymandered.
If I was a republican- my vote doesn't matter.
If I was a democrat- my vote doesn't matter.
And then on top of that- I only get to vote for candidates that were pre-selected for me by the party (aka corporations, lawyers, and politicians (who are beholden to the corporations) ).
Why vote when it is going to be 70/30 for a candidate already owned by corporations.
It is crazy. At least we still have relative freedom in obscurity about the other issues you mention. it may be illegal but apparently 4.7 % of boomers are doing pot these days.