I'm probably just bringing up an old flame here, but I'll say it again anyways.
That actually brings up an idea in my mind that even "The electronic frontier" is still subject to its censorship. Slashdot's message forum is moderated.
Even though you can "Set your profile" to see even the moderated messages, the default is not to. This seems synonymous to IE's "Defaulting" to install with 95, and you can "Change it later" if you want.
Is censorship a part of human nature? It almost seems so.
And before you go slamming the usage of the word "fuck", ask yourself why one four character string can invoke such a repulsive reaction in you. Seems like they've already gotten to you...
The scariest thing to me is that if there was an isolated gene for a predisposition for homosexuality or bisexuality, I'm sure it would be the first thing to be modified.
Even worse, in the near term future if such a gene was isolated, abortions of gay children would probably shoot through the roof if not stopped.
> My child, the nature of the crimes may be > different, but the motive is the same. The > motive
Do not call me a child. I am neither legally or mentally a child.
The existance of "sin" is a religious term, being athiest I will not put it in terms of sin. What I will say is that potential child molestation is a much more serious crime in my eyes than potential script kiddie actions.
Exactly. Which means BUILD A BETTER OPERATING SYSTEM. Linux and other freely available OSes are immune to many, if not all, of the attacks with proper setup and filtering.
These journalists should stop touting NT as the holy grail of server OSes when it has gaping security and DOS problems.
I suppose I'm getting into the holy war regarding who gets blamed, the software companies or the people that exploit them. My opinion is that the blame should go on the software companies and implementers.
> This is where teenagers go to grab a quick > attack package to harass people who won't date > them.
Puh-lease, that's so stereotypical. If there's any reason you're going to get targeted for an attack, it will be because you're making inflammitory statements such as that one.
> Making an example out of a few punks can have > two effects: It can cut down on the number of > casual attacks, but it may also improve the > hiding skills of more serious hackers.
I disagree. If you start going after script kiddies on the Internet you're going to not only seriously piss them off, but the younger generation of script kiddies, and the more serious and skilled crackers.
If anything, that methodology is going to provoke more hacking similiar to how the drug war actually increases drug usage.
> And if law enforcement doesn't step in to stop > the little guys, there are two results as well: > One is the capture of hackers, of course, but > the other is the encouragement of sites such as > CyberArmy and WarForge to flourish and to make > low-end hacking seem like an acceptable hobby. > It's obvious that the second, lax approach, is > in effect today.
I have trouble comprehending his point here. If law enforcement steps in to stop the little guys I seriously doubt sites like "CyberArmy" and "WarForge" are going to change their views and stop posting these kinds of materials.
What then? Censor this kind of information? Make the manufacturing and distribution of exploits illegal?
> They key to stopping all this hacking is a > massive worldwide sting.
Not only could you not catch every cracker/script kiddie in a massive worldwide sting, but it would cost billions of dollars in manpower and technology to operate a high-tech sting of this magnitude. Furthermore (like I said above), this is just going to aggrivate all the crackers who don't go to jail (majority of the juvinilles and all the ones not convicted due to the inevitable lack of evidence).
> The guys who were recently busted for trying to > run off with 13-year-olds were caught by agents > posing as teenage girls in a chat room.
This is a different kind of crime though. Trying to meet up with 13-year-olds for molestation/kidnapping is dissimiliar to cracking/DOS attacking. While they both take place online, one involves a hard physical subject (a person, kiddie porn), while cracking/DOSing involves breaking or entering a VIRTUAL environment.
I'm not sure how to really drive home my point that they are very different crimes, but I think anyone who is in the "technological know" can see my point here.
> you can be certain that low-end hackers will > start to be rounded up.
I doubt it. Good luck if you do FBI! The only thing that has really been like this is the raid on gH, but I bet most (if not all) of them will get off or just recieve very light sentences so they can go do some more damage.
It would be a waste of time to sit in IRC channels and try to bust entire groups for cracking/DOSing sites, and I think the feds know that.
The only time the feds get involved nowadays is if something major goes down, like the White House, the Army, or a coproration with enough money and will-power to prosecute...
> I'm sure their parents won't appreciate the > legal bills. Maybe that will put a stop to it > once and for all.
Again, an inflammatory and stereotypical statement. This is not like the 50s or 60s when parents had control over their children through beatings and derogation of self-esteem (yes this is inflammatory too, but it's how my parents explain it to me). Our current generation of kids (and I know because I'm not that old myself) are basically uncontrollable. Those of us who grew up with this technology KNOW there's a world out there that they can influence in one way or another. They can't be censored or "told" what to do other than to be reasoned with (or brainwashed:). My parents couldn't tell me what to do, and neither can anyone else's.
What do you do? Take away their computer? Kid will just go over to someone else's house, cafe, or computer lab and have fun.
Lock em inside? Ground them? Yeah right. The second you turn your back on that teen he's gonna be out going somewhere and being a teen. Even if you are successful, maybe the kid will just turn his attention to phone phreaking.
So my point? Patch the OSes, filter the offending packets, fix the protocols. Make Microsoft, Sun, & Cisco spend a couple billion to address these issues instead of making tax payers spend a couple billion to fight a losing cause.
MBNA, our second largest credit card company here in the US strictly forbids anything that is not provided from a manufacturer with a specific support contract.
They're so strict that they have even banned perl because Sun/HP do not "officially" support it. Of course everyone in the UNIX department uses perl anyways:)
This is probably confidential info actually, but they turned me down for a job, so I don't care:)
When I was just a small fry I used to login Prodigy all day with my 2400baud modem and tie up my grandma's phone lines to play the clunky little games online.
I might still be on it if they hadn't have made the incredibly stupid decision to go from unlimited to limited hourly access.
Hey even my e-mail address is going to get banned! Good thing I don't know anyone in the merry ol' land of Oz.
Ah well, I wish I could remember now where I heard about them having to run sed through the Netscape source code before it could be released. Apparently Netscape programmers use no less dirty euphamisms than Linux programmers.
I wanna see the Windows source code! All those stoners at Microsoft have probably loaded the source with all the damn comments it deserves:)
I will admit the guys cited on the page are a bit overboard, but don't women get obsessed with things?
They sure do.
Take my g/f for example: "I don't care if you want to go out to a nice dinner, I need to watch Dawson's Creek!", or, "we can have sex later, Ally McBeal is on!"
Of course she thinks that by sitting in the PC room with me, instead of out in the living room, she's still being close to me and doing nothing wrong. What she in fact is doing is driving me nuts with her teeny-bopper crap.
I dare not say anything insulting about her favorite characters (Not even the drunk off Party of Five). My last g/f dumped me for making fun of the lamers in Teen People Magazine, I think my current g/f would dump me if I said something bad about her shows.
The geeks in our society (me included:) give me hope for the future. These are people who can have an opinion, and probably stand up for their opinions. They will drive society into the future.
It's the morons I'm worried about. All those kids who live sheltered, planned out lives, nursed from the crib, through school, to college, into a corporation, into a family, mini-van, and finally death. It seems like there's too many sheep already and the flock is multiplying at a ridiculous rate.
The kids who never get a clue and buy in to all the things society is telling them about how bad differences (not racial differences mind you, intelectual ones) are will someday be teaching MY (and for all you teens, YOUR) kids. That's scary.
"A free man acts like a plague spot -- He'll infect my entire kingdom!" -- Sartre
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I'm just curious what college education or experience allows someone to acquire the position of webmaster for the Queen herself?
Yep, just as I suspected, moderated down.
I'm probably just bringing up an old flame here, but I'll say it again anyways.
That actually brings up an idea in my mind that even "The electronic frontier" is still subject to its censorship. Slashdot's message forum is moderated.
Even though you can "Set your profile" to see even the moderated messages, the default is not to. This seems synonymous to IE's "Defaulting" to install with 95, and you can "Change it later" if you want.
Is censorship a part of human nature? It almost seems so.
And before you go slamming the usage of the word "fuck", ask yourself why one four character string can invoke such a repulsive reaction in you. Seems like they've already gotten to you...
The scariest thing to me is that if there was an isolated gene for a predisposition for homosexuality or bisexuality, I'm sure it would be the first thing to be modified.
Even worse, in the near term future if such a gene was isolated, abortions of gay children would probably shoot through the roof if not stopped.
I bet he could too!
:) Gets played on the Comedy Channel like once a day I think!
This was in SNL skit if you don't know what I'm talking about
Looks almost like one of those stupid "Fly"s.
:)
I forget who makes them or I'd give a webpage for it.
If you've played one, you'd probably know what I mean when I say it's probably the same weight
> My child, the nature of the crimes may be
> different, but the motive is the same. The
> motive
Do not call me a child. I am neither legally or mentally a child.
The existance of "sin" is a religious term, being athiest I will not put it in terms of sin. What I will say is that potential child molestation is a much more serious crime in my eyes than potential script kiddie actions.
I disagree with Dvorak on many issues.
:). My parents couldn't tell me what to do, and neither can anyone else's.
> It's a mess, and no operating system is immune.
Exactly. Which means BUILD A BETTER OPERATING SYSTEM. Linux and other freely available OSes are immune to many, if not all, of the attacks with proper setup and filtering.
These journalists should stop touting NT as the holy grail of server OSes when it has gaping security and DOS problems.
I suppose I'm getting into the holy war regarding who gets blamed, the software companies or the people that exploit them. My opinion is that the blame should go on the software companies and implementers.
> This is where teenagers go to grab a quick
> attack package to harass people who won't date
> them.
Puh-lease, that's so stereotypical. If there's any reason you're going to get targeted for an attack, it will be because you're making inflammitory statements such as that one.
> Making an example out of a few punks can have
> two effects: It can cut down on the number of
> casual attacks, but it may also improve the
> hiding skills of more serious hackers.
I disagree. If you start going after script kiddies on the Internet you're going to not only seriously piss them off, but the younger generation of script kiddies, and the more serious and skilled crackers.
If anything, that methodology is going to provoke more hacking similiar to how the drug war actually increases drug usage.
> And if law enforcement doesn't step in to stop
> the little guys, there are two results as well:
> One is the capture of hackers, of course, but
> the other is the encouragement of sites such as
> CyberArmy and WarForge to flourish and to make
> low-end hacking seem like an acceptable hobby.
> It's obvious that the second, lax approach, is
> in effect today.
I have trouble comprehending his point here. If law enforcement steps in to stop the little guys I seriously doubt sites like "CyberArmy" and "WarForge" are going to change their views and stop posting these kinds of materials.
What then? Censor this kind of information? Make the manufacturing and distribution of exploits illegal?
> They key to stopping all this hacking is a
> massive worldwide sting.
Not only could you not catch every cracker/script kiddie in a massive worldwide sting, but it would cost billions of dollars in manpower and technology to operate a high-tech sting of this magnitude. Furthermore (like I said above), this is just going to aggrivate all the crackers who don't go to jail (majority of the juvinilles and all the ones not convicted due to the inevitable lack of evidence).
> The guys who were recently busted for trying to
> run off with 13-year-olds were caught by agents
> posing as teenage girls in a chat room.
This is a different kind of crime though. Trying to meet up with 13-year-olds for molestation/kidnapping is dissimiliar to cracking/DOS attacking. While they both take place online, one involves a hard physical subject (a person, kiddie porn), while cracking/DOSing involves breaking or entering a VIRTUAL environment.
I'm not sure how to really drive home my point that they are very different crimes, but I think anyone who is in the "technological know" can see my point here.
> you can be certain that low-end hackers will
> start to be rounded up.
I doubt it. Good luck if you do FBI! The only thing that has really been like this is the raid on gH, but I bet most (if not all) of them will get off or just recieve very light sentences so they can go do some more damage.
It would be a waste of time to sit in IRC channels and try to bust entire groups for cracking/DOSing sites, and I think the feds know that.
The only time the feds get involved nowadays is if something major goes down, like the White House, the Army, or a coproration with enough money and will-power to prosecute...
> I'm sure their parents won't appreciate the
> legal bills. Maybe that will put a stop to it
> once and for all.
Again, an inflammatory and stereotypical statement. This is not like the 50s or 60s when parents had control over their children through beatings and derogation of self-esteem (yes this is inflammatory too, but it's how my parents explain it to me). Our current generation of kids (and I know because I'm not that old myself) are basically uncontrollable. Those of us who grew up with this technology KNOW there's a world out there that they can influence in one way or another. They can't be censored or "told" what to do other than to be reasoned with (or brainwashed
What do you do? Take away their computer? Kid will just go over to someone else's house, cafe, or computer lab and have fun.
Lock em inside? Ground them? Yeah right. The second you turn your back on that teen he's gonna be out going somewhere and being a teen. Even if you are successful, maybe the kid will just turn his attention to phone phreaking.
So my point? Patch the OSes, filter the offending packets, fix the protocols. Make Microsoft, Sun, & Cisco spend a couple billion to address these issues instead of making tax payers spend a couple billion to fight a losing cause.
MBNA, our second largest credit card company here in the US strictly forbids anything that is not provided from a manufacturer with a specific support contract.
:)
:)
They're so strict that they have even banned perl because Sun/HP do not "officially" support it. Of course everyone in the UNIX department uses perl anyways
This is probably confidential info actually, but they turned me down for a job, so I don't care
I think I'd be willing to help, however major corporations like GM are ALWAYS paranoid about their legacy code.
"Intellectual Property" *blah* *blah* *blah*
I don't think they would let us anywhere near it...
They had it right in the South Park movie!
When I was just a small fry I used to login Prodigy all day with my 2400baud modem and tie up my grandma's phone lines to play the clunky little games online.
I might still be on it if they hadn't have made the incredibly stupid decision to go from unlimited to limited hourly access.
Hey even my e-mail address is going to get banned! Good thing I don't know anyone in the merry ol' land of Oz.
:)
Ah well, I wish I could remember now where I heard about them having to run sed through the Netscape source code before it could be released. Apparently Netscape programmers use no less dirty euphamisms than Linux programmers.
I wanna see the Windows source code! All those stoners at Microsoft have probably loaded the source with all the damn comments it deserves
I will admit the guys cited on the page are a bit overboard, but don't women get obsessed with things?
They sure do.
Take my g/f for example: "I don't care if you want to go out to a nice dinner, I need to watch Dawson's Creek!", or, "we can have sex later, Ally McBeal is on!"
Of course she thinks that by sitting in the PC room with me, instead of out in the living room, she's still being close to me and doing nothing wrong. What she in fact is doing is driving me nuts with her teeny-bopper crap.
I dare not say anything insulting about her favorite characters (Not even the drunk off Party of Five). My last g/f dumped me for making fun of the lamers in Teen People Magazine, I think my current g/f would dump me if I said something bad about her shows.
I think I'm gonna go homosexual...
The geeks in our society (me included :) give me hope for the future. These are people who can have an opinion, and probably stand up for their opinions. They will drive society into the future.
It's the morons I'm worried about. All those kids who live sheltered, planned out lives, nursed from the crib, through school, to college, into a corporation, into a family, mini-van, and finally death. It seems like there's too many sheep already and the flock is multiplying at a ridiculous rate.
The kids who never get a clue and buy in to all the things society is telling them about how bad differences (not racial differences mind you, intelectual ones) are will someday be teaching MY (and for all you teens, YOUR) kids. That's scary.
"A free man acts like a plague spot -- He'll infect my entire kingdom!" -- Sartre