That's not a good idea. The further up the chain, the slower the GFCI cutoff response time (even miniscule as it ay be.) That's why it's built directly into the outlet.
"I work with licensed sound engineers, gaffers, and A/V techs all the time...we get loads wrong all the time, and we're trying to do it right."
You're working with the wrong people, for one, for load balancing.
They're called ELECTRICIANS - something your sound engies, gaffers, and A/V techs very likely don't hold a certification for, let alone completed their journeyman's studies and time.
The concept is simple. We've got car AC units that are 400% efficient, meaning for every one watt of power consumed, 4 watts of heat gets removed from the system it is cooling, within a certain size (the size of the interior of a Ford Explorer, for example.)
Then you make these into micro centers - insulated rooms, fully-sealed, holding no more than maybe 3 or 4 racks of servers. Have one or two of these cooling that room. Hey, suddenly, you're spending $1 in electricity to cool off $4 of used power (and if you have really efficient computers in those racks, probably LESS!)
Given that you're stating that the rising heat column would draw cooler air in across the plants, we can pretty much rule out heat, assuming your statement is true.
If the caps are venting, they're not working and neither is the device.
There are many other studies out there on this very thing, and I've done similar tests in a much tighter-controlled facility than what these kids had access to.
Our germination rates in our wifi-enabled area are roughly half that of the germination area on the other side of the facility (and perfectly protected from outside radiation due to the building being one giant cluster of faraday cages.)
"I'll happily go fuck myself when this result is repeated by experienced scientists with all proper controls"
I'll do you one better. I've already done this experiment with far better controls and computer-controlled everything in my research facility. Ive done it with cress, lettuces of various types, and fruiting plants such as tomatoes and peppers. The results are the same. This same setup is also how I test my LED lighting.
Would you like this with or without lube? I only ask because my dick's going in, too!
Heat from the router and laptops is very unlikely to have been a cause. The rooms were computer-controlled for atmospherics, and the pictures clearly show the dead zone around the entire setup, not just around the areas where heat would be likely to vent and collect.
To add, cress has quite a varied range of germination temperatures.
Any field I've lived near, or creek, with high-voltage power lines, that area is a DEAD ZONE directly underneath, unless there are plants already-established.
And many of those areas don't even need maintenance like grass-mowing, since all that EM hinders growth.
That's in Texas (Plano, Dallas, Port Aransas,) Tennessee (Memphis,) California (Redlands and Riverside,) and South Carolina (Dataw/St. Helena Island, Hilton Head Island, Beaufort.) I'm pretty sure you can find similar results.
Anyone with any real knowledge can dismiss several of those 'improper controls' because we know those already to be useless from prior experimentation. The water is inexcusable, the rest, pretty much trivial.
"If they can get warm enough to burn themselves up, they can also get warm enough to prevent a seed from growing"
Uh, I use heated trays for seedlings all the time. Cress has a fairly WIDE range of germination temperatures.
I think you need to go take some horticulture classes, or get a job doing horticulture, before you go on speaking about something you're totally wrong about.
The seeds would have to have been right on top of the router for that kind of heat to affect them.
Sounds like you failed identifying variables. A control room will not have routers because the control is an area with known tested parameters. The room with the routers is the variable room. They used two routers to provide adequate irradiation levels in the room, as the variable.
As someone that has performed similar radiation experiments as part of my research into zero-light horticulture, faking this is very doubtful, as I've encountered the same issues. Germination rates in the area of our facility with wireless access are roughly half of that on the other side of the shed that is totally free of radiation in that frequency range thanks to the natural faraday cage (the entire structure is grounded, metal walls and supports, etc.) that the facility provides. You can't even use your cell phone two feet inside the door.
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Got news for ya.
Most gaffers don't have a certification or license.
I've had to repair three electrical systems out in Studio City.
Not fun when you're working with 100 amp breakers (for those shitty incan lights) and the shit is all wired wrong or even half-backwards.
Thank goodness AC is more forgiving than DC when it comes to wrong wiring order.
http://electricalnotes.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/effects-of-high-voltage-transmission-lines-on-humans-and-plants/
Ignore the poor English and hit up the study sources listed near the bottom - those aren't bottom-rate scientists, pal.
That's not a good idea. The further up the chain, the slower the GFCI cutoff response time (even miniscule as it ay be.) That's why it's built directly into the outlet.
SD is slow at writes. Try Compact Flash.
"where I live residential contracts are usually limited to 3 kW"
This must not be in the USA, then. Minimum line going in to any residential dwelling is 50A. 120V * 50Ah = 6kWh
"I work with licensed sound engineers, gaffers, and A/V techs all the time...we get loads wrong all the time, and we're trying to do it right."
You're working with the wrong people, for one, for load balancing.
They're called ELECTRICIANS - something your sound engies, gaffers, and A/V techs very likely don't hold a certification for, let alone completed their journeyman's studies and time.
GFCI does okay until the entire outlet is soaked. Then it's useless as fuck for protection.
I can see these mounted on a couch or table getting fully-soaked no problem.
The concept is simple. We've got car AC units that are 400% efficient, meaning for every one watt of power consumed, 4 watts of heat gets removed from the system it is cooling, within a certain size (the size of the interior of a Ford Explorer, for example.)
Then you make these into micro centers - insulated rooms, fully-sealed, holding no more than maybe 3 or 4 racks of servers. Have one or two of these cooling that room.
Hey, suddenly, you're spending $1 in electricity to cool off $4 of used power (and if you have really efficient computers in those racks, probably LESS!)
What's that PUE at that rate?
Given that you're stating that the rising heat column would draw cooler air in across the plants, we can pretty much rule out heat, assuming your statement is true.
Note I said ESTABLISHED. That has a huge connotation and qualifier attached.
And no, in Tennessee I KNOW they aren't poisoning the areas, as many of the power lines run directly over protected rivers (like the Wolf River.)
If the caps are venting, they're not working and neither is the device.
There are many other studies out there on this very thing, and I've done similar tests in a much tighter-controlled facility than what these kids had access to.
Our germination rates in our wifi-enabled area are roughly half that of the germination area on the other side of the facility (and perfectly protected from outside radiation due to the building being one giant cluster of faraday cages.)
Because my results are nothing more than a very tiny confirmation of studies previously published, all of which confirm this sort of thing?
No need to publish when I'm not being paid to do so and others already are. I'm not stepping on their toes.
Well, I see why you're a FORMER high school teacher.
"I'll happily go fuck myself when this result is repeated by experienced scientists with all proper controls"
I'll do you one better. I've already done this experiment with far better controls and computer-controlled everything in my research facility. Ive done it with cress, lettuces of various types, and fruiting plants such as tomatoes and peppers. The results are the same. This same setup is also how I test my LED lighting.
Would you like this with or without lube? I only ask because my dick's going in, too!
Heat from the router and laptops is very unlikely to have been a cause. The rooms were computer-controlled for atmospherics, and the pictures clearly show the dead zone around the entire setup, not just around the areas where heat would be likely to vent and collect.
To add, cress has quite a varied range of germination temperatures.
You go right ahead.
Any field I've lived near, or creek, with high-voltage power lines, that area is a DEAD ZONE directly underneath, unless there are plants already-established.
And many of those areas don't even need maintenance like grass-mowing, since all that EM hinders growth.
That's in Texas (Plano, Dallas, Port Aransas,) Tennessee (Memphis,) California (Redlands and Riverside,) and South Carolina (Dataw/St. Helena Island, Hilton Head Island, Beaufort.) I'm pretty sure you can find similar results.
Anyone with any real knowledge can dismiss several of those 'improper controls' because we know those already to be useless from prior experimentation. The water is inexcusable, the rest, pretty much trivial.
"Do yourself a favor and never buy plants from Home Depot."
Do yourself a favor and go get an actual education in horticulture.
Not once have I had a problem with a plant from Home Depot.
It pays to know what you're doing.
Even those mom and pop shops are usually just 'cut-rate' farmers.
Outgassing? My god, people still think this is an issue?
I run a HUGE facility loaded with PVC, HDPE, ABS, and other plastic channels.
Outgassing is bullshit until you get into the solvents and adhesives used to join the system together.
Most routers are screwed together, not glued together, and are almost always made from one of those above-mentioned plastic types.
If there's an outgassing issue, someone's failing at proper ventilation or using the entirely wrong adhesives/molecular-bonding solvents.
No, heat is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being a viable cause. Room is controlled and regulated. Cress has quite a nice wide range of germination temperatures.
"If they can get warm enough to burn themselves up, they can also get warm enough to prevent a seed from growing"
Uh, I use heated trays for seedlings all the time. Cress has a fairly WIDE range of germination temperatures.
I think you need to go take some horticulture classes, or get a job doing horticulture, before you go on speaking about something you're totally wrong about.
The seeds would have to have been right on top of the router for that kind of heat to affect them.
The control is a regulated room without the routers, providing a known and many-times-over tested baseline.
The variable is the wireless radiation, in a different room with the same controls, and that being the only variable.
Heat is nowhere near enough to affect germination of cress. Trust me, that shit can germinate in a fairly wide temperature range.
Sounds like you failed identifying variables. A control room will not have routers because the control is an area with known tested parameters. The room with the routers is the variable room. They used two routers to provide adequate irradiation levels in the room, as the variable.
Sounds like you don't need to be on slashdot.
"Or just as likely, they just faked the data. "
As someone that has performed similar radiation experiments as part of my research into zero-light horticulture, faking this is very doubtful, as I've encountered the same issues. Germination rates in the area of our facility with wireless access are roughly half of that on the other side of the shed that is totally free of radiation in that frequency range thanks to the natural faraday cage (the entire structure is grounded, metal walls and supports, etc.) that the facility provides. You can't even use your cell phone two feet inside the door.
I can guarantee you're wrong.
TSA certainly had access to EVERYTHING, and I'm using BES with a company in the UK on my BlackBerry.
Try again when you actually know what powers the government does have.
In fact, try that again when you're actually doing some contract work that involves the government and travel.
You are not secure by any means