On the note of HP3000 is there a free software version of Business basic? I know a school that is either going to have to buy a complete IS system since the HP3000 is going away.
They have been using the same code base for 30 years only to have HP abandon them.
So, repeating the question:
Is there a free version of business basic out there? (i've had no luck googling)
Hehe... you mean that all the infomation is not contained in a "Yellow Card"?
I agree Mainframe is a completely different world.
JCL by itself is a freightening beast. And that's just the lingo for telling programs to run!
I went to a school that emphasized mainframes (Northern Illinois University). One of the few advantages is that you get really good at looking things up. (I agree the IBM Doc, while complete, is incredibly hard for looking things up.)
I cannot stress enough, how much grief this device has saved me.
My parents (one below 70 in age, and one above 70) used to bug me all the time about controling the VCR.
With the TIVO, I have had few questions (every now and then when the power goes out, they need help with getting the VCR inbeteween back to AU for input).
It is simple enough that my parents can control it. I cannot recommend it enough.
I did turn it around, that was the point of the post. I'll do it again.
Gee you mean the people that DO THE LABOR TO MAKE THE COMPANY PROFITABLE have too much power because they get to have some input as to their working environment?
You say: "No, I never said I wanted something for nothing. I just pointed out that gas isn't expensive because of corporate greed but because of government greed."
I say: You never mention actual government expense.
You say: Here in the state of washingon, the road system is about %3 of the state total budget. THREE PERCENT.
I say: How much % of the income comes from the gas tax? If there is a difference, where does the remainder go? Is that a fair place for it to go?
You say: But they can't be bothered to spend more than that and provided decent roads, so they are putting up an initiative to RAISE TAXES TO PAY FOR ROADS!
I say: Where did the money go? Is it a fair place for it to go?
You say: %3 of the current tax money is going to pay for it and %60 is going to pork-- people literally getting something for nothing like college and healthcare.
I say: Where does the money come from, it can't all be from gas. Do educated people give back to the country? Do healthy people give back to the country? Is it good for the country to do these things?
You say: I can't tell you how much I wish I had to pay for my usage of state services-- cause if I did, I'd be paying only %10 of what I'm paying now. Cause %90 of what I'm paying is going to services I don't use.
I say: Have you accounted for indirect usage? Does the state funded education provide your company with employees? Does the state somehow fund a company that buys products from your company? Have you really done the math to figure out you only use 10%?
You say: And apparently none of that gas tax is getting into the roads-- since the state ran surplusses for 5 years (And spent all that money on stuff other than roads) and now wants to raise taxes to pay for roads.
I say: If that is true, it is indefensable. Is it really true (cite your source). Shame on your government if they did that. Did you vote for all of them? Will you vote all of them out?
You say: Sure, unions can organize. I don't have a problem with that-- but the current situation is that unions are given special rights that violate the rights of the employees and the employers. And that is unacceptable.
I say: Corporations get special rights that violate the rights of employees and the unions. Coporations can contribute to political campaigns? I don't get to decide where the profit from my labour goes. I did that labor. What special rights do unions get?
You say: The unions are TOO POWERFUL and have destroyed many industries in this country-- auto manufacturing and airlines being two big ones, but the steel industry is another.
I say: Large corporations are TOO POWERFUL and have destroyed many people in this country-- the underprivaledged, and the small business being two big ones, but the artistic community is another.
You say: The problem isn't that unions don't have rights in this country- they do, they have special rights.
I say: Bull, name them. Corporations have many special rights that THEY don't deserve.
You say at the beginning "Management at most every company, large and small, is not corrupt."
I completely disagree with this argument. (but neither of us have evidence we want to pull out right now, do we?)
You say "The difference is that market forces cause management to be honest and to pay a fair wage-- if they don't, the employees leave."
If this were true, unions themself wouldn't exist. Obviously people join unions for some reason. If there truely was no demand, they wouldn't exist, would they? The market forces MAKE unions exist.
You say "Unions are parasitical. They do not respond to market forces, and thus they will always be corrupt. They will always try to force companies to only hire union member,s and force new employees to join the union."
Any human organization has market forces. People are more popular than others. Items are scarce, so they become valuable. If unions were completely greedy and ran around bankrupting companies, they would quickly dissapear. If unions are parasitic, so are employees.
You say, "If there were 5 unions and you could choose which one you joined, then the unions would be kept honest... but so many people join unions for purely political reasons they don't pay much attention to the leadership and swallow what the leadership tells them."
I say for all the reasons above, unions are constructs of the market, not detractors from.
If managers really wanted to be rid of unions, they would play well with their employees. Unions would simply disappear at this point, due to lack of demand.
I believe I was being sarcastic. Using the absurdity of patents to show how unions don't have a monopoly on workers, but that management generally does have a monopoly on a type of labour.
Every employee has an interest in how much an employee is earning. Employees depend upon their corporate structure even MORE than stockholders do. When wages are unfarily biased, it hurts the company that all of these employees depend on.
So yes, every employee should be interested in what a new employee can/will do and how much they will be paid.
On the other hand, unions, like management can be corrupt. So, yes, some bad things happen.
It is true. A good company shouldn't require a union, but for the same reasons that unions are corrupt, managemnet is generally corrupt.
Show me any large corporation where this doesn't happen, and I'll admit a nick in my argument.
So you're a liberterian that want's something for nothing? Perhaps you wonder what pays for these roads?
A fixed tax is not going to work because roads cost vary depending on usage. Taxing roads based on gas usage is a legit practice.
Interesting that gas taxes generally go back into the roads (and various mass transit made to reduce load on the roads), but railroad fuel goes into the "pay back the debt fund". (do not get me wrong, there is plenty of corruption in how road work gets done)
I believe that the "invisible hand" of capitalism dosen't work unless workers are allowed to organize without restriction, and consumers are educated. No regulation means TRUELY no regulation. Unions can do what they want just like management can.
We have very little of labor organization or education of consumers in the USA and it's comming home to roost.
Perhaps competition between unions wouldn't be a bad thing either? We could have skill patents, where companies can't hire from any other set of workers because a particular union is the only kind that can provide that work.
When the plight of management parallels the plight of labour, you will convince me that unions aren't necessary.
Intuition is in the eye of the beholder. Even the nipple is not intuitive (it uses two reflexes that don't always work together.)
I don't know what age of people you teach, but the people I run into, where I teach, are half Windows only. The older people are more familliar with DOS and this kind of interface.
I'll give you, in the future GUIs will be more prevalent, so they should move to GUI in the long run. Even there, however, you have to account for the tradeoff: ease of video card config vs. ease of gui installer.
The students I see have barely heard of Linux, it's just some buzzword. What's worse, they know enought not to waste resources on a buzzword,so they want to install it on a 386 out of the 80's. They don't realize how hard that can be.
My point? The ncurses can be useful on older machines that aren't going to have easy video card config. More importantly (and more relavent) this kind of interface is MORE fammiliar for older students.
As I said it wasn't conclusive. But the ultimate authority in the end is what really happens. Copying large files really happens, and sometimes, it's good to just time it.
That said, I'd like to see a more worthwhile test, anybody seen one?
Newer chipsets are building it into the chipset, not having to go through a bridge. You're probably looking at a motherboard using the NCR host adaptor
"The current generation of USB2 PCI implementation can't saturate the bus, but those built on to the chipset start to get a lot faster (ICH4/nForce2)."
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I have to admit, I didn't even take my karma bonus on that one. I wasn't expecting any + moderation.
Dosen't mean I didn't appreciate it. Just thought I t wasn't a particularly worthwhile comment. I was surprized somebody else did.
This is why Linux Audio Users should buy items like the RME Hammerfall cards.
(http://www.rme-audio.com/)
They have been open with doc, so there area ALSA drivers.
Free software isn't limited to cheap soundcards anymore.
>Free as in beer, obviously, and limited, but hey - >beer good!
Beer good, Brewery better, Freedom best.
Here is a link to a Potential Free Software Alternative, Ardour
(at least it's being worked on, anyway)
http://ardour.sourceforge.net/.
Ok, I'll bite... you knew me at niu.. who are you?
(perhaps e-mail me)
On the note of HP3000 is there a free software version of Business basic? I know a school that is either going to have to buy a complete IS system since the HP3000 is going away.
They have been using the same code base for 30 years only to have HP abandon them.
So, repeating the question:
Is there a free version of business basic out there?
(i've had no luck googling)
Hehe... you mean that all the infomation is not contained in a "Yellow Card"?
I agree Mainframe is a completely different world.
JCL by itself is a freightening beast. And that's just the lingo for telling programs to run!
I went to a school that emphasized mainframes (Northern Illinois University). One of the few advantages is that you get really good at looking things up. (I agree the IBM Doc, while complete, is incredibly hard for looking things up.)
I suppose some troll is going to write:
In soviet russia nothing nothing's you???
If they're offering, I'll take 2!
Instead of the negative boycotting.
How about using the few alternatives that exist, allowing them to get bigger.
This is my list of sites for alternatives:
http://peace.tbcnet.com/music/
Please people, suggest more!
And here's something I have no idea about.
How about alternative movies?
Do sites exist for this?
Your publicity always works better if you be positive (promoting something), rather than being negative (boycotting something).
If you have no solution, but you complain, people just label you a lunatic.
News for you
4.7 GB = about 4.3 GiB
GB being 1000 * 1000 * 1000 bytes
GiB being 1024 * 1024 * 1024 bytes
Gotta love those marketers, making us redefine our units so they can spread confusion and fool the customer into thinking they get more.
No, that would be
"With this tolken ring, I thee wed".
Whee.. and to think..
I, myself, am getting married in a month.....
The walk of (mount) doom!
I guess that I should point out that I misread WebTV device as TV device.
Oops.
I cannot stress enough, how much grief this device has saved me.
My parents (one below 70 in age, and one above 70) used to bug me all the time about controling the VCR.
With the TIVO, I have had few questions (every now and then when the power goes out, they need help with getting the VCR inbeteween back to AU for input).
It is simple enough that my parents can control it. I cannot recommend it enough.
My understanding is that WORM drives will work in some of these cases as there is more of an Etching going on..
I've heard that canceled checks can be archived on these.
I did turn it around, that was the point of the post. I'll do it again.
Gee you mean the people that DO THE LABOR TO MAKE THE COMPANY PROFITABLE have too much power because they get to have some input as to their working environment?
Habitual doubter, get a grip!
You say:
"No, I never said I wanted something for nothing. I just pointed out that gas isn't expensive because of corporate greed but because of government greed."
I say:
You never mention actual government expense.
You say:
Here in the state of washingon, the road system is about %3 of the state total budget. THREE PERCENT.
I say:
How much % of the income comes from the gas tax?
If there is a difference, where does the remainder go? Is that a fair place for it to go?
You say:
But they can't be bothered to spend more than that and provided decent roads, so they are putting up an initiative to RAISE TAXES TO PAY FOR ROADS!
I say:
Where did the money go? Is it a fair place for it to go?
You say:
%3 of the current tax money is going to pay for it and %60 is going to pork-- people literally getting something for nothing like college and healthcare.
I say:
Where does the money come from, it can't all be from gas. Do educated people give back to the country? Do healthy people give back to the country? Is it good for the country to do these things?
You say:
I can't tell you how much I wish I had to pay for my usage of state services-- cause if I did, I'd be paying only %10 of what I'm paying now. Cause %90 of what I'm paying is going to services I don't use.
I say:
Have you accounted for indirect usage? Does the state funded education provide your company with employees? Does the state somehow fund a company that buys products from your company?
Have you really done the math to figure out you only use 10%?
You say:
And apparently none of that gas tax is getting into the roads-- since the state ran surplusses for 5 years (And spent all that money on stuff other than roads) and now wants to raise taxes to pay for roads.
I say:
If that is true, it is indefensable. Is it really true (cite your source). Shame on your government if they did that. Did you vote for all of them?
Will you vote all of them out?
You say:
Sure, unions can organize. I don't have a problem with that-- but the current situation is that unions are given special rights that violate the rights of the employees and the employers. And that is unacceptable.
I say:
Corporations get special rights that violate the rights of employees and the unions. Coporations can contribute to political campaigns? I don't get to decide where the profit from my labour goes. I did that labor.
What special rights do unions get?
You say:
The unions are TOO POWERFUL and have destroyed many industries in this country-- auto manufacturing and airlines being two big ones, but the steel industry is another.
I say:
Large corporations are TOO POWERFUL and have destroyed many people in this country-- the underprivaledged, and the small business being two big ones, but the artistic community is another.
You say:
The problem isn't that unions don't have rights in this country- they do, they have special rights.
I say:
Bull, name them.
Corporations have many special rights that THEY don't deserve.
I could easily turn that around:
Once management is there, it has too much power and will never dissapear.
Once you reach management, there are few people above you to fire you, so there is no "free market". The managemnt can't choose to be supervised.
Remember, a friend got fired by the MANAGEMENT because he wasn't a "team player".
Now that is corrupt.
You say at the beginning "Management at most every company, large and small, is not corrupt."
I completely disagree with this argument.
(but neither of us have evidence we want to pull out right now, do we?)
You say "The difference is that market forces cause management to be honest and to pay a fair wage-- if they don't, the employees leave."
If this were true, unions themself wouldn't exist. Obviously people join unions for some reason. If there truely was no demand, they wouldn't exist, would they? The market forces MAKE unions exist.
You say "Unions are parasitical. They do not respond to market forces, and thus they will always be corrupt. They will always try to force companies to only hire union member,s and force new employees to join the union."
Any human organization has market forces. People are more popular than others. Items are scarce, so they become valuable. If unions were completely greedy and ran around bankrupting companies, they would quickly dissapear. If unions are parasitic, so are employees.
You say, "If there were 5 unions and you could choose which one you joined, then the unions would be kept honest... but so many people join unions for purely political reasons they don't pay much attention to the leadership and swallow what the leadership tells them."
I say for all the reasons above, unions are constructs of the market, not detractors from.
If managers really wanted to be rid of unions, they would play well with their employees. Unions would simply disappear at this point, due to lack of demand.
I believe I was being sarcastic. Using the absurdity of patents to show how unions don't have a monopoly on workers, but that management generally does have a monopoly on a type of labour.
Every employee has an interest in how much an employee is earning. Employees depend upon their corporate structure even MORE than stockholders do. When wages are unfarily biased, it hurts the company that all of these employees depend on.
So yes, every employee should be interested in what a new employee can/will do and how much they will be paid.
On the other hand, unions, like management can be corrupt. So, yes, some bad things happen.
It is true. A good company shouldn't require a union, but for the same reasons that unions are corrupt, managemnet is generally corrupt.
Show me any large corporation where this doesn't happen, and I'll admit a nick in my argument.
So you're a liberterian that want's something for nothing? Perhaps you wonder what pays for these roads?
A fixed tax is not going to work because roads cost vary depending on usage. Taxing roads based on gas usage is a legit practice.
Interesting that gas taxes generally go back into the roads (and various mass transit made to reduce load on the roads), but railroad fuel goes into the "pay back the debt fund". (do not get me wrong, there is plenty of corruption in how road work gets done)
I believe that the "invisible hand" of capitalism dosen't work unless workers are allowed to organize without restriction, and consumers are educated. No regulation means TRUELY no regulation. Unions can do what they want just like management can.
We have very little of labor organization or education of consumers in the USA and it's comming home to roost.
Perhaps competition between unions wouldn't be a bad thing either? We could have skill patents, where companies can't hire from any other set of workers because a particular union is the only kind that can provide that work.
When the plight of management parallels the plight of labour, you will convince me that unions aren't necessary.
Till then...
Intuition is in the eye of the beholder. Even the nipple is not intuitive (it uses two reflexes that don't always work together.)
I don't know what age of people you teach, but the people I run into, where I teach, are half Windows only. The older people are more familliar with DOS and this kind of interface.
I'll give you, in the future GUIs will be more prevalent, so they should move to GUI in the long run. Even there, however, you have to account for the tradeoff: ease of video card config vs. ease of gui installer.
The students I see have barely heard of Linux, it's just some buzzword. What's worse, they know enought not to waste resources on a buzzword,so they want to install it on a 386 out of the 80's.
They don't realize how hard that can be.
My point? The ncurses can be useful on older machines that aren't going to have easy video card config. More importantly (and more relavent) this kind of interface is MORE fammiliar for older students.
As I said it wasn't conclusive.
But the ultimate authority in the end is what really happens. Copying large files really happens, and sometimes, it's good to just time it.
That said, I'd like to see a more worthwhile test, anybody seen one?
Newer chipsets are building it into the chipset, not having to go through a bridge. You're probably looking at a motherboard using the NCR host adaptor
As put by the poster "DeadSeaTrolls" here.
"The current generation of USB2 PCI implementation can't saturate the bus, but those built on to the chipset start to get a lot faster (ICH4/nForce2)."
so, ok, grep for irq.
I believe you'll still find a interrupt for things like short packets and the like.