In considering what the NAZI's did to Germany (not to mention europe), I would argue that NAZI is more specific.
While the Labour force was not necessarily "enslaved", they were indeed influnced. However, when I think how the NAZI's got in power, I think of mass controled propaganda.
I believe that an internet made with this technology would not be used to directly to enslave. More, like the NAZIs, it would be used to influnce the thoughts of the masses.
Insight I read about how media controls the public:
Media does not tell you what to think, but it does tell you what to think about. Having a loud voice doesn't mean people will agree with what you think, but it does mean people will be thinking about what you are thinking about.
I think my only defense is my clairification for invoking the use of the term NAZI.
I'm not calling Microsoft Nazi's I'm calling the software/hardware arrangement NAZIWARE because it has the potential to do that kind of damage and it can control how the masses communicate.
I don't like name calling in public discourse, but the fact is that it is used. Despite the nay-sayers in this thread, it works to get peoples attention/interest.
In my opinion this problem has potential to do great damage; however, it is not given the proper attention by the average person.
I thought a bit before I posted and asked, "Do I want to be in recorded media somewhere calling something NAZI-ish?" It's not something I take lightly. I concluded that I thought the potential problem was great enough to warrent it.
In short, saying that using the word NAZI disqualifies your opinion is as bad as calling NAZI at people all the time. Indiscriminate judgement.
If you are going to use the word NAZI you have to be clear in your reasoning. That's the only way it has real meaning.
I live in the Chicago area. Near the western suburbs. I agree that europeans don't understand how much land there is here, but I do not think that this is reason to squandor it.
Most of the area in the midwest is wetland. I look at the tract housing being built out here and shake my head. 50% will have floding problems within the next 10 years.
And there is plenty of wasted space in the more "inner city" suburbs, but the drive to move into "newer, modern" housing continues to extend the urban area.
Given the trends in food production and consumption, and knowing how profitable the soil is in northern illinois, I see no reason for such action.
As for the -1 moderation, you know it's interesting. I've had comments with a score of 4 and no responces, now I have an item with 3 or 4 intelligent responces moderated down to 1 from my +1 bonus. I just don't understand that.
Almost right. If I remember correctly, debit cards make the owner liable for the first 500$ stolen. Credit cards make the owner liable for the first 50$ stolen.
I agree with your thinking that the soldiers would not be considered "third parties". I was using propreitary software to show that members of an organization are not considered "third parties".
It would indeed be interesting to hear the opinion of the FSF.
IANAL but my belief would be that employees distributing software in such a manner would be acting illegally.
If I work for Microsoft, and I release some of the code under the GPL that I work with, you can be pretty sure that it's not going to hold water.
I would be interested in hearing what the FSF's position on this is.
What an interesting ploy.. they are full of FUD
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They attempt to draw a dividing line in a community. They do this by trying to stress "differences". They list these differences with the claim that it makes software more secure, BAH!
They also ignore the aspect of the GPL that says you can keep your secret changes if you don't distribute the software outside of your organization. Where is the security leak now?
The difference between "GNU FREE" and "BSD FREE" is that the people in BSD are willing to sacrifice themselves (no reward), whereas the GNU people are willing to take up arms (we reward you, but you must reward us in return, if you use our stuff).
The comminuty is more alike that it is different. Don't let these types of papers and publicity screw that up.
Just Like in Chistianity, the parts of the religon that don't stir up politics are the parts that don't get attention.
It's not a matter of a press agent. When the media dosen't care about what you have to say, or it dosen't stir up feelings, you will never get good publicity.
Ah the wonder of having a limited news media. With the small number of media companies involved anymore, it's no wonder there is so little interesting news covered.
While it isn't finished, it is quite an attempt to provide a professional quality hard drive recording program. Perhaps a little $$ twords finishing the developement of ardour would be worthwhile; I don't believe there is any free software close to what it is doing.
I teach a Intro to *NIX course at a community college. The older people who are coming back to re-train frequently have no idea about file management on any operating system.
As for the younger people, they are more adaptable. They should know how to use a "word processor" not "word" and how to use a "spread sheet" not "excel".
Incidentally, intro to UNIX using Linux has been one of our most popular classes, filling up 2-3 days after registration (for the last year).
So cost of employees that have training in unix, is changing.
But the problem with this is the time that it takes to work through the system, and be registered.
Overall GNP is a very inaccurate indicator
Guiding the economy is like programming a neural network armed with only goto statements (you usually have the wrong too, and all the knowledge on how it works is mostly theoretical).
While we're messing with GNP, spend less on roads.
Worse roads, more repairs based on shocks and struts.
Over all, government spends less on roads, and GNP goes up with increased mechanic work. (but dosen't the general citizenry of the country get screwed?)
Hrm.. Perhaps GNP isn't the wonderful indicator everybody thinks it is?
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I can agree with this.. THIS is true.
Because now everybody is arguing about my use of the word NAZI, instead of thinking about how to use PR against this plan.
I wish they would Focus on the problem.
Somebody used SLAVEWARE. That would be kind of good.
Is there any better term that could be used?
BIGBROTHERWARE while probably closer in meaning, dosen't sound as good.
(Lets face it.. things designed to get people thinking need to sound good if they are to be effective)
In considering what the NAZI's did to Germany (not to mention europe), I would argue that NAZI is more specific.
While the Labour force was not necessarily "enslaved", they were indeed influnced. However, when I think how the NAZI's got in power, I think of mass controled propaganda.
I believe that an internet made with this technology would not be used to directly to enslave. More, like the NAZIs, it would be used to influnce the thoughts of the masses.
Insight I read about how media controls the public:
Media does not tell you what to think, but it does tell you what to think about. Having a loud voice doesn't mean people will agree with what you think, but it does mean people will be thinking about what you are thinking about.
I don't know where you live.. but where I live, those sorts of phrases were used alot to promote group think against those groups. It worked.
It's easy to respond to name calling when you are in a group. But there is quite an affect when you are more in the minority.
Language is a powerful thing.. be careful how you use it.
I called no person a nazi
I think my only defense is my clairification for invoking the use of the term NAZI.
I'm not calling Microsoft Nazi's I'm calling the software/hardware arrangement NAZIWARE because it has the potential to do that kind of damage and it can control how the masses communicate.
I don't like name calling in public discourse, but the fact is that it is used. Despite the nay-sayers in this thread, it works to get peoples attention/interest.
In my opinion this problem has potential to do great damage; however, it is not given the proper attention by the average person.
I thought a bit before I posted and asked, "Do I want to be in recorded media somewhere calling something NAZI-ish?" It's not something I take lightly. I concluded that I thought the potential problem was great enough to warrent it.
In short, saying that using the word NAZI disqualifies your opinion is as bad as calling NAZI at people all the time. Indiscriminate judgement.
If you are going to use the word NAZI you have to be clear in your reasoning. That's the only way it has real meaning.
I agree with one of the "talkbacks" to the article.
The name associated with this type of hardware/software shuold be called NAZIWARE.
The justification is the potential that it has for controlling the masses. (Just like the Nazi's did)
Promote the term. It would be a PR fiasco.
DEVO Rocks...
You got me.. lookin' up high
You got me.. searchin' down low
You got me.. I know you know
You got me jerkin' back 'n' forth
Men without hats was also really good.
I live in the Chicago area. Near the western suburbs. I agree that europeans don't understand how much land there is here, but I do not think that this is reason to squandor it.
Most of the area in the midwest is wetland. I look at the tract housing being built out here and shake my head. 50% will have floding problems within the next 10 years.
And there is plenty of wasted space in the more "inner city" suburbs, but the drive to move into "newer, modern" housing continues to extend the urban area.
Given the trends in food production and consumption, and knowing how profitable the soil is in northern illinois, I see no reason for such action.
As for the -1 moderation, you know it's interesting. I've had comments with a score of 4 and no responces, now I have an item with 3 or 4 intelligent responces moderated down to 1 from my +1 bonus. I just don't understand that.
With the Urban Sprawl that has been experienced in the United States, do we really need to be promoting building of homes?
Perhaps building where are previous building was torn down would not be a bad thing.
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Make that:
http://www.fdic.gov/consumers/consumer/news/cnspr
Almost right. If I remember correctly, debit cards make the owner liable for the first 500$ stolen. Credit cards make the owner liable for the first 50$ stolen.
s /cnsprg 98/crook.html
You have a lot more to risk with a debit card.
Details here:
http://www.fdic.gov/consumers/consumer/new
I agree with your thinking that the soldiers would not be considered "third parties". I was using propreitary software to show that members of an organization are not considered "third parties".
It would indeed be interesting to hear the opinion of the FSF.
IANAL but my belief would be that employees distributing software in such a manner would be acting illegally.
If I work for Microsoft, and I release some of the code under the GPL that I work with, you can be pretty sure that it's not going to hold water.
I would be interested in hearing what the FSF's position on this is.
They attempt to draw a dividing line in a community. They do this by trying to stress "differences". They list these differences with the claim that it makes software more secure, BAH!
They also ignore the aspect of the GPL that says you can keep your secret changes if you don't distribute the software outside of your organization. Where is the security leak now?
The difference between "GNU FREE" and "BSD FREE" is that the people in BSD are willing to sacrifice themselves (no reward), whereas the GNU people are willing to take up arms (we reward you, but you must reward us in return, if you use our stuff).
The comminuty is more alike that it is different. Don't let these types of papers and publicity screw that up.
Actuallly, your chance of writing a windows drivern in 95,98,ME and having it work on 2000 and XP is rather low.
Microsoft driver writers frequently have a 9x/ME branch and a NT/2000/XP branch.
Just Like in Chistianity, the parts of the religon that don't stir up politics are the parts that don't get attention.
It's not a matter of a press agent. When the media dosen't care about what you have to say, or it dosen't stir up feelings, you will never get good publicity.
Ah the wonder of having a limited news media. With the small number of media companies involved anymore, it's no wonder there is so little interesting news covered.
Take a look at ALSA and the project I mention below, Ardour
Must take this moment to endorse Ardour.
While it isn't finished, it is quite an attempt to provide a professional quality hard drive recording program. Perhaps a little $$ twords finishing the developement of ardour would be worthwhile; I don't believe there is any free software close to what it is doing.
You don't want to compare lilypond to rosegarden.
Perhaps you could compare Denemo, for a gtk vs. qt kinda thing (denemo is further behind).
Denemo is focused on typesetting though. Staffs are just one of the things rosegarden can do.
All that said, I like gtk+, but notice qt audio apps getting ahead of gtk ones (with the very significant exception of Ardour
Ardour is only half done, but it rocks!
You're in a young environment.
I teach a Intro to *NIX course at a community college. The older people who are coming back to re-train frequently have no idea about file management on any operating system.
As for the younger people, they are more adaptable. They should know how to use a "word processor" not "word" and how to use a "spread sheet" not "excel".
Incidentally, intro to UNIX using Linux has been one of our most popular classes, filling up 2-3 days after registration (for the last year).
So cost of employees that have training in unix, is changing.
But the problem with this is the time that it takes to work through the system, and be registered.
Overall GNP is a very inaccurate indicator
Guiding the economy is like programming a neural network armed with only goto statements (you usually have the wrong too, and all the knowledge on how it works is mostly theoretical).
While we're messing with GNP, spend less on roads.
Worse roads, more repairs based on shocks and struts.
Over all, government spends less on roads, and GNP goes up with increased mechanic work.
(but dosen't the general citizenry of the country get screwed?)
Hrm.. Perhaps GNP isn't the wonderful indicator everybody thinks it is?
How the heck do you clean your average keyboard?
Take all the keycaps off and put them in soapy water?
If so, it's no wonder nobody does it.
Maybe this is pointless, but I wonder if it's possible to have positive thread about this.
I'll ask the question, and see if anybody replys.
How can this be fixed? What can we do about it?
Take a look at GLUE:
http://www.ssc.com:8080/glue/
Hope that helps