Instead of writing senators who don't care what you think, boycott the companies that support this, buy from the companies who are on your side, and buy stock in Tivo. Politics and economics are related and just writing your senator is as useless as running outside and screaming and rioting. You accomplish nothing by just making noise, you can only influence policy through economics and spending habits. Buy a Tivo and let Tivo buy their own politicians.l
Your job must be irreplaceable. and essential to the world order and the economy. If you cannot find an essential job then you'll just lose it eventually and be working at Walmart.
Racism is a problem also, not just having a tattoo or piercing but having the wrong color skin can prevent you from being hired, even having the wrong gender or sexual preference.
Anyone who has to make use of Godwins law obviously must agree with Hitler. Godwins law is equal to censorship. Just because you dont discuss Hitler, the nazis, fascism, etc does not mean it suddenly ceased to exist.
The new law which evolves beyond godwins law to allow people to discuss hitler shall be called what? Slashhdot can think of a name right?
So I'm not really sure why Tor is useful. It's not for file sharing, it does not really protect you completely from spyware, freenet seems to be better.
The government knows about Tor, they are the ones who made it. DARPA is funding its development. So if you think that by using Tor you are going to be annonymous to the US government I think its the opposite unless Tor is open source and you reviewed and compiled the code yourself.
I don't know if China will arrest people for just talking bad about China. If you know people who are in China or from China to verify it then it would at least give some evidence otherwise I don't really take what Americans say about China seriously. You'd have to be from China.
I'm not anti US, I'm from the US, I'm just not pro US. I don't hate America, I love America as much as America loves me.
At the same time, I don't hate China, people I know in China arent complaining about China as much as Americans are complaining about China, so it might be that people are afraid to talk about it or it might just be that Americans are complaining like they always do. Americans complain about every country BUT America. I don't feel like China, Iraq or any of these other countries are our responsibility. There are a billion people in China who can free themselves when they are ready. In the USA did Europe or China or any of these countries help free the slaves? Of course not. Americans had to fight for every freedom they have, slaves, immigrants, workers, and all of our ancestors on every level faught for freedom. Why should we fight for China's freedom instead of our own? Whats in it for us? Why should I be more worried about how free China is when I'm living in America? Is China going to open the doors so Americans can move to China to work and live? Why worry about China from American soil?
China has its problems, America has its problems, when America was in its infant stage no country helped, no country ever helps to solve Americas problems. America can have slavery and how many other countries condemned it? When women couldnt vote and minorities werent allowed to live as equals no country said anything, and this stuff lasted all the way till the 1980s. So now China is in the 1980s or 1970s and we are supposed to focus on helping China into 2000 instead of helping our own country?
China has problems, I can admit that, but until the USA solves its own human rights issues, China just isnt on my list of concerns. When the USA finally starts to let women and minorities live as equals, and when America fixes up its ghettos and takes care of its poor, young, old, sick, etc then I'll focus on making China like America. Right now America should be focused on being a role model before trying to lecture China, and this goes to all the people who complain about China, if you believe in human rights then treat your neighbors in America like humans. Start by solving the racism and sexism, both problems of 2005 instead of focusing on China's issues.
When we have a female president, or a black president, then we can throw the human rights issues in Chinas face, but until this time we look like the Ex-KKK / Ex-Nazi person telling street thugs how to live. You cannot tell people how to live, you have to show them. If the USA believes in human rights, honestly and truly, then we should live by our words and let the Chinese people see how much better America is and change China on their own.
I don't think its our job to solve the worlds political ills, at least not at the price of letting our own problems grow out of control.
Some humans are collectivsts, some humans are capitalists. When you say that one system fits "human" nature what you really mean to say is that you are a capitalist and that capitalism fits your nature. If this is what you mean to say, this is fine because its true, but do not try to claim that everyone in the capitalist system is in a system best suited for their nature. A public servant, a teacher, a fireman, any of these hero types, capitalism goes against their nature. These people protect and educated, these are community oriented jobs which best suit people who have a community or family oriented nature. Some of us value family more than we value money and for people who value the human family moreso than money, making money isnt as important as helping to improve your community.
As a famous entomologist once said, "communism is a wonderful theory, applied to the wrong species."
A very ignorant quote. Who gives freud the right the define the entire human species? Human nature has variation, there are greedy humans who care about themselves, and there are humans who want to help others, and based on their priorities and instincts decides their nature. Just to make you aware, someone who runs into a burning building to save your life isnt doing it for the money. Whoever educated you in school most likely isnt doing that job for the money. By your definition these people arent human because humans have to all be greedy.
If China is less free, how exactly? Anyone can go to jail anywhere, theres terrorists in every country, and political prisoners in every country. The USA has more prisoners than China. Now, I know China may kill its terrorists right on the spot and I don't agree with this, but America while perhaps it might be slighly less harsh in its sentencing, appears to be just as censored.
We do have camps for terrorists. We do have prisons. We do have ghettos. If you practice the wrong religion in the USA you get raided, it happened in Waco Texas. If you are muslin you could be put into a camp, there are all sorts of situations which could be happening in this country that none of us could be aware of simply because our laws allow it to be possible.
Freedom of speech? Americans never had freedom of speech so to expect China to have freedom of speech is a joke. Right now we are outlawing filesharing while telling the Chinese to open up their internets.
Americans can censor to protect wealth, why can't China do the same thing? China has the right to censor and imprison dissenters because it's the Chinese way?"
If an American smokes pot and goes to prison, or if an American during the civil rights movement was beat up or killed how is this any different than the Chinese doing it to their people?
By your thinking, Hitler's gas ovens were just the German peoples' way of doing things so we had no right to interfere.
War is wrong, period. Hitler was a criminal because he had people killed, period. The death penalty is wrong, period. I don't agree with any death penalty ever no matter who does it, however going to war did not solve or end world war 2. You think that by just going to war and bombing people that Hitlers followers were defeated? All that happened is they moved, so now there are still nazis who still believe what Hitler did. You arent proving your point by even bringing Hitler and nazi germany up.
. Cambodia's reeducation camps were just an Asian way of solving an overpopulation problem so what right did us Caucasian people have to complain? You useless pile of human garbage. You make me ashamed to be an American.
Why complain about China? America supports the death penalty and you are proud of it. Look, I don't support the dealth penalty ever, but the fact that my country supports it leads me to not focus so much on what China is doing. China is not the current world super power. China is not in a position to take over the world and force their way of life down our throats, so why do I care about solving China's death penalty problems when in the USA the death penalty still exists? We have millions of prisoners in the USA and you want to discuss human rights with China?
We have over 2 million prisoners, a lot of them are political prisoners who smoked marijuana or who commited some lightweight non violent offense. Why should we be focused on China?
How many patents do you own? How much money does it cost to patent something? How did you get thousands of dollars to hire the lawyers and how exactly will you pay to fight and defend your patents?
Lets assume you don't have a penny to your name, not a dime. Go patent something without any money and you'll prove that anyone can use patents, otherwise patents are for corporations.
Humans have rights, corporations have rights, ANYONE can patent things, you don't have to own a business, and guess what.. if you write an original work, and put Copyright 2005 by dumbass braindamaged, its copyrighted. no corp needed. file it away somewhere and/or send it to the copyright office and poof. done.
I'm sorry, stupidity like yours usually brings me to shake my head that there are people that goddamn dumb in the world, to question why your parents had sex EVER, without anyone stopping them, and move on. but this was so blatantly stupid and completely wrong in every possible way I just HAD to bite and reply.
Copyright? Copyright are not the same as patents. Copyright is about censorship, patents are about control and ownership. This is the difference. It's easy to copyright some text and its impossible to defend a copyright, a patent on the other hand can be just about anything. Amazon has the one click patent. How many patents do you own and why do we need patents at all? Why do we need copyright? Defend your opinions with your words.
I don't think corporations and workers are treated equally, since you do, I'm guessing you own patents, copyright, and that you use these things to maintain your wealth while you sit around not creating or making anything. If this is the case then you are a real human, otherwise if you just work for a company and this company claims the rights to everything you create, you arent as human as the corporation you work for because they own all your ideas.
The only way to be Human is to be wealthy. If you are poor then you'll be treated as less than human, you'll live in some ghetto, and you'll work at Walmart, you most likely will never own any patents and if you own a copyright, unless its worth millions of dollars, you'll still be poor in some ghetto somewhere. Do you believe this is fair?
And I don't really want to own it. Why do I want to die fighting to defend my air and my water when we can all share our air and water and have unlimited supply?
I wouldnt say owning land is very smart because by owning land you are assuming your society is going to collapse and that you'll be in a situation where land is in limited supply. You set yourself up for future disputes by owning stuff.
In the USA you can own land, fine, but if they made it so the state owns land and we can live on it for free thats even better than paying rent or buying land. It all depends on how its handled.
This is like favoring open source vs closed source.
Socialism is the only way to balance the forces. Who is going to pay for teachers, doctors, police officers, and other public servants without socialism?
Socialism offers a place for people who arent greedy to live. People who arent greedy in capitalism either live in ghettos or they leave. The problem is, without these people you have no doctors, you have no workforce, you need people who arent greedy to do all the kinds of jobs which involve empathy and care. When you have a society in which only greedy individuals can survive, it's a very cold competitive environment and I doubt you'd want to live there.
Socialism improves communities. Public education is important, universal healthcare is important, these things protect and improve things for everyone. It's all about where you spend the public money, not how much you spend. Socialism works when its used as an investment and it doesnt work when its used just to reward industries like its used in the USA. The USA has a form of corporate socialism in which airline industries are bailed out but humans are being cut off welfare and having their jobs shipped to India. The government spends more money investing in companies like boeing than they spend investing in schools even when its proven that investing in schools benefits the workforce more in general.
You have that will. There is no such thing as "universal will". Now you are just applying brainwashing techniques to the ignorant.
It's not about universal will, because greed is not a universal will just like love, hate, empathy, jealousy and egoism are not universal wills. We all have different amounts of certain emotions. Some of us have certain instincts you don't have and you have certain instincts we don't have and so on. Greed is an instinct just like sex drive and love are instincts, and these are not universal. Some people do not feel love, some people have no sex drive, and some people arent greedy. I'd say the greedy individuals are mostly rich in capitalism so we reward them, but in another system we could be rewarding people who are heros, like doctors and firemen, police officers, and the people who ran into the buildings during 911. The fact that the people who ran into the buildings during 911 made less money and are treated worse by our society than the people who worked in the building should tell you that our society values greed above all other instincts.
Does this mean greed is the most popular instinct? No. There are more teachers than stock brokers, there are more police officers than there are CEOs. Most people work for others and arent greedy. If you are greedy and you work for a big corporation, perhaps its time you start your own because you'll never get rich working at Walmart.
It does exist, it just does not exist on a wide scale. Capitalism cannot exist as pure capitalism either. Only Socialism can exist. When you have pure capitalism, the rich kill the poor and then themselves because they become their own consumers. No one really wants zero sum pure capitalism but no one wants to admit to being socialist. Americans need to just admit to being socialists and start a socialist party, or we can pretend capitalism can actually work and hopefully we survive the next great depression.
Lets also discuss how every capitalist system is corrupted by corporate power and how capitalism created the third world poverty, ghettos, high crime rates, and war.
Capitalism works on oppression just like communism because its always the same elite individuals who control the systems. You can switch to capitalism or communism but if Saddam is the same leader controlling the system its not going to matter which system you choose because you'll be oppressed either way. So either you'll be in a ghetto filled with crime and poverty under capitalism, or you'll be in a sweatshop factory working forever under communism, and either way you'll be in the same position. Oppression has nothing to do with economic systems because oppression is emotionally driven, its based on the personality of those in charge, its never a logical thing.
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Are we going to use this to allow ever human to live forever?
The average slashdotter has no wife.
Instead of writing senators who don't care what you think, boycott the companies that support this, buy from the companies who are on your side, and buy stock in Tivo. Politics and economics are related and just writing your senator is as useless as running outside and screaming and rioting. You accomplish nothing by just making noise, you can only influence policy through economics and spending habits. Buy a Tivo and let Tivo buy their own politicians.l
pick one.
Your job must be irreplaceable. and essential to the world order and the economy. If you cannot find an essential job then you'll just lose it eventually and be working at Walmart.
Racism is a problem also, not just having a tattoo or piercing but having the wrong color skin can prevent you from being hired, even having the wrong gender or sexual preference.
Anyone who has to make use of Godwins law obviously must agree with Hitler. Godwins law is equal to censorship. Just because you dont discuss Hitler, the nazis, fascism, etc does not mean it suddenly ceased to exist.
The new law which evolves beyond godwins law to allow people to discuss hitler shall be called what? Slashhdot can think of a name right?
if the Patriot act passes, Bush has the power to do anything he wants and censor any speech he wants.
So I'm not really sure why Tor is useful. It's not for file sharing, it does not really protect you completely from spyware, freenet seems to be better.
The government knows about Tor, they are the ones who made it. DARPA is funding its development. So if you think that by using Tor you are going to be annonymous to the US government I think its the opposite unless Tor is open source and you reviewed and compiled the code yourself.
Tor is created by the US navy and defense deparments, so I'm not sure if its actually annonymous. Anyone care to comment on this?
If I remember right isnt Tor created by the US government?
The people who arent wanna be dictators, what are they? where do they fit in?
I don't know if China will arrest people for just talking bad about China. If you know people who are in China or from China to verify it then it would at least give some evidence otherwise I don't really take what Americans say about China seriously. You'd have to be from China.
I'm not anti US, I'm from the US, I'm just not pro US. I don't hate America, I love America as much as America loves me.
At the same time, I don't hate China, people I know in China arent complaining about China as much as Americans are complaining about China, so it might be that people are afraid to talk about it or it might just be that Americans are complaining like they always do. Americans complain about every country BUT America. I don't feel like China, Iraq or any of these other countries are our responsibility. There are a billion people in China who can free themselves when they are ready. In the USA did Europe or China or any of these countries help free the slaves? Of course not. Americans had to fight for every freedom they have, slaves, immigrants, workers, and all of our ancestors on every level faught for freedom. Why should we fight for China's freedom instead of our own? Whats in it for us? Why should I be more worried about how free China is when I'm living in America? Is China going to open the doors so Americans can move to China to work and live? Why worry about China from American soil?
China has its problems, America has its problems, when America was in its infant stage no country helped, no country ever helps to solve Americas problems. America can have slavery and how many other countries condemned it? When women couldnt vote and minorities werent allowed to live as equals no country said anything, and this stuff lasted all the way till the 1980s. So now China is in the 1980s or 1970s and we are supposed to focus on helping China into 2000 instead of helping our own country?
China has problems, I can admit that, but until the USA solves its own human rights issues, China just isnt on my list of concerns. When the USA finally starts to let women and minorities live as equals, and when America fixes up its ghettos and takes care of its poor, young, old, sick, etc then I'll focus on making China like America. Right now America should be focused on being a role model before trying to lecture China, and this goes to all the people who complain about China, if you believe in human rights then treat your neighbors in America like humans. Start by solving the racism and sexism, both problems of 2005 instead of focusing on China's issues.
When we have a female president, or a black president, then we can throw the human rights issues in Chinas face, but until this time we look like the Ex-KKK / Ex-Nazi person telling street thugs how to live. You cannot tell people how to live, you have to show them. If the USA believes in human rights, honestly and truly, then we should live by our words and let the Chinese people see how much better America is and change China on their own.
I don't think its our job to solve the worlds political ills, at least not at the price of letting our own problems grow out of control.
Some humans are collectivsts, some humans are capitalists. When you say that one system fits "human" nature what you really mean to say is that you are a capitalist and that capitalism fits your nature. If this is what you mean to say, this is fine because its true, but do not try to claim that everyone in the capitalist system is in a system best suited for their nature. A public servant, a teacher, a fireman, any of these hero types, capitalism goes against their nature. These people protect and educated, these are community oriented jobs which best suit people who have a community or family oriented nature. Some of us value family more than we value money and for people who value the human family moreso than money, making money isnt as important as helping to improve your community.
As a famous entomologist once said, "communism is a wonderful theory, applied to the wrong species."
A very ignorant quote. Who gives freud the right the define the entire human species? Human nature has variation, there are greedy humans who care about themselves, and there are humans who want to help others, and based on their priorities and instincts decides their nature. Just to make you aware, someone who runs into a burning building to save your life isnt doing it for the money. Whoever educated you in school most likely isnt doing that job for the money. By your definition these people arent human because humans have to all be greedy.
If China is less free, how exactly?
Anyone can go to jail anywhere, theres terrorists in every country, and political prisoners in every country. The USA has more prisoners than China. Now, I know China may kill its terrorists right on the spot and I don't agree with this, but America while perhaps it might be slighly less harsh in its sentencing, appears to be just as censored.
We do have camps for terrorists. We do have prisons. We do have ghettos. If you practice the wrong religion in the USA you get raided, it happened in Waco Texas. If you are muslin you could be put into a camp, there are all sorts of situations which could be happening in this country that none of us could be aware of simply because our laws allow it to be possible.
Freedom of speech? Americans never had freedom of speech so to expect China to have freedom of speech is a joke. Right now we are outlawing filesharing while telling the Chinese to open up their internets.
Americans can censor to protect wealth, why can't China do the same thing?
China has the right to censor and imprison dissenters because it's the Chinese way?"
If an American smokes pot and goes to prison, or if an American during the civil rights movement was beat up or killed how is this any different than the Chinese doing it to their people?
By your thinking, Hitler's gas ovens were just the German peoples' way of doing things so we had no right to interfere.
You don't get it, America has death camps too. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2979076.stm
War is wrong, period. Hitler was a criminal because he had people killed, period. The death penalty is wrong, period. I don't agree with any death penalty ever no matter who does it, however going to war did not solve or end world war 2. You think that by just going to war and bombing people that Hitlers followers were defeated? All that happened is they moved, so now there are still nazis who still believe what Hitler did. You arent proving your point by even bringing Hitler and nazi germany up.
. Cambodia's reeducation camps were just an Asian way of solving an overpopulation problem so what right did us Caucasian people have to complain? You useless pile of human garbage. You make me ashamed to be an American.
Why complain about China? America supports the death penalty and you are proud of it. Look, I don't support the dealth penalty ever, but the fact that my country supports it leads me to not focus so much on what China is doing. China is not the current world super power. China is not in a position to take over the world and force their way of life down our throats, so why do I care about solving China's death penalty problems when in the USA the death penalty still exists? We have millions of prisoners in the USA and you want to discuss human rights with China?
We have over 2 million prisoners, a lot of them are political prisoners who smoked marijuana or who commited some lightweight non violent offense. Why should we be focused on China?
How many patents do you own? How much money does it cost to patent something? How did you get thousands of dollars to hire the lawyers and how exactly will you pay to fight and defend your patents?
Lets assume you don't have a penny to your name, not a dime. Go patent something without any money and you'll prove that anyone can use patents, otherwise patents are for corporations.
Humans have rights, corporations have rights, ANYONE can patent things, you don't have to own a business, and guess what.. if you write an original work, and put Copyright 2005 by dumbass braindamaged, its copyrighted. no corp needed. file it away somewhere and/or send it to the copyright office and poof. done.
I'm sorry, stupidity like yours usually brings me to shake my head that there are people that goddamn dumb in the world, to question why your parents had sex EVER, without anyone stopping them, and move on. but this was so blatantly stupid and completely wrong in every possible way I just HAD to bite and reply.
Copyright? Copyright are not the same as patents. Copyright is about censorship, patents are about control and ownership. This is the difference. It's easy to copyright some text and its impossible to defend a copyright, a patent on the other hand can be just about anything. Amazon has the one click patent. How many patents do you own and why do we need patents at all? Why do we need copyright? Defend your opinions with your words.
I don't think corporations and workers are treated equally, since you do, I'm guessing you own patents, copyright, and that you use these things to maintain your wealth while you sit around not creating or making anything. If this is the case then you are a real human, otherwise if you just work for a company and this company claims the rights to everything you create, you arent as human as the corporation you work for because they own all your ideas.
The only way to be Human is to be wealthy. If you are poor then you'll be treated as less than human, you'll live in some ghetto, and you'll work at Walmart, you most likely will never own any patents and if you own a copyright, unless its worth millions of dollars, you'll still be poor in some ghetto somewhere. Do you believe this is fair?
And I don't really want to own it. Why do I want to die fighting to defend my air and my water when we can all share our air and water and have unlimited supply?
I wouldnt say owning land is very smart because by owning land you are assuming your society is going to collapse and that you'll be in a situation where land is in limited supply. You set yourself up for future disputes by owning stuff.
In the USA you can own land, fine, but if they made it so the state owns land and we can live on it for free thats even better than paying rent or buying land. It all depends on how its handled.
This is like favoring open source vs closed source.
Socialism is the only way to balance the forces. Who is going to pay for teachers, doctors, police officers, and other public servants without socialism?
Socialism offers a place for people who arent greedy to live. People who arent greedy in capitalism either live in ghettos or they leave. The problem is, without these people you have no doctors, you have no workforce, you need people who arent greedy to do all the kinds of jobs which involve empathy and care. When you have a society in which only greedy individuals can survive, it's a very cold competitive environment and I doubt you'd want to live there.
Socialism improves communities. Public education is important, universal healthcare is important, these things protect and improve things for everyone. It's all about where you spend the public money, not how much you spend. Socialism works when its used as an investment and it doesnt work when its used just to reward industries like its used in the USA. The USA has a form of corporate socialism in which airline industries are bailed out but humans are being cut off welfare and having their jobs shipped to India. The government spends more money investing in companies like boeing than they spend investing in schools even when its proven that investing in schools benefits the workforce more in general.
You have your American view of reality, you only know your reality, not the reality.
You have that will. There is no such thing as "universal will". Now you are just applying brainwashing techniques to the ignorant.
It's not about universal will, because greed is not a universal will just like love, hate, empathy, jealousy and egoism are not universal wills. We all have different amounts of certain emotions. Some of us have certain instincts you don't have and you have certain instincts we don't have and so on. Greed is an instinct just like sex drive and love are instincts, and these are not universal. Some people do not feel love, some people have no sex drive, and some people arent greedy. I'd say the greedy individuals are mostly rich in capitalism so we reward them, but in another system we could be rewarding people who are heros, like doctors and firemen, police officers, and the people who ran into the buildings during 911. The fact that the people who ran into the buildings during 911 made less money and are treated worse by our society than the people who worked in the building should tell you that our society values greed above all other instincts.
Does this mean greed is the most popular instinct? No. There are more teachers than stock brokers, there are more police officers than there are CEOs. Most people work for others and arent greedy. If you are greedy and you work for a big corporation, perhaps its time you start your own because you'll never get rich working at Walmart.
It does exist, it just does not exist on a wide scale. Capitalism cannot exist as pure capitalism either. Only Socialism can exist. When you have pure capitalism, the rich kill the poor and then themselves because they become their own consumers. No one really wants zero sum pure capitalism but no one wants to admit to being socialist. Americans need to just admit to being socialists and start a socialist party, or we can pretend capitalism can actually work and hopefully we survive the next great depression.
Lets also discuss how every capitalist system is corrupted by corporate power and how capitalism created the third world poverty, ghettos, high crime rates, and war.
Capitalism works on oppression just like communism because its always the same elite individuals who control the systems. You can switch to capitalism or communism but if Saddam is the same leader controlling the system its not going to matter which system you choose because you'll be oppressed either way. So either you'll be in a ghetto filled with crime and poverty under capitalism, or you'll be in a sweatshop factory working forever under communism, and either way you'll be in the same position. Oppression has nothing to do with economic systems because oppression is emotionally driven, its based on the personality of those in charge, its never a logical thing.