I am a CSE at ASU (arizona state) and we have to take cources in engineering ethics too. We learn ways to make our design decisions etical and how to solve problems effectivly.
Also so far in my classes I have had quite a bit more hardware than my CS friends. We have done digital design at the gate level, and we are now doing electical networks. My CS friends have only had to do the digital design, and I have been told that is to be their last required hardware class.
I was hopeing someone would post about Quartz/Aqua. Although its not radicaly diffrent, just radicaly diffrent from the current implementations. NeXT used display postscript I believe, and most of Mac OS X is based off of NeXT stuff, including Quartz/Aqua. Also I like the idea of a wrapper library, but that might still break some apps. Also what is the network capablitly of the old NeXT display system?
It says that because under US law you can make a backup copy of your stuff. So if you own the game you can download the rom because it can be considered your backup copy of the game. If how ever you do not own the game then you are breaking copyright.
Hmm.. there is nothing in the article that says they are paying to have ethernet in their rooms. It just says that the diffrence in cost between two totaly diffrent dorms, one with ethernet, is 24 dolars. They however do not live in one with ethernet in the rooms. How is it that leaching etherenet access from a computerlab down stairs when you arn't paying to have it in your room is ok in the real world? This *is* basicaly stealing. Not very severe theft but it is theft none the less.
And as for a technology fee, if it is anything like my school, you pay a fee for access to the computers acrost campus. That fee does not, however, entitle you to access in your room. To get that privilge you must pay to live in one of the wired dorms.
This is news but I think most of the/. community is taking this the wrong way. These guys stole internet access. Same as someone leaching cable off the house next to them. These guys probably could have gotten their internet access by making some noise in the local media about it, if this was a university oversight and they should have gotten access. Instead they took it to themselfs to leach ethernet off of the school. They commited a crime. Get over with it.
And 300 ft??? Jeeze buy a damn modem and deal with 56k.
1. Dreamcast had a buttload of problems when it launched, both hardware & software. The US launch saw resolutions to problems on both sides. We got the goods good because we were patient.
Ah... this was what the article talked about. I missed hearing about most of these bugs.
2. Anyone who owned a Playstation before model #(I forget, but I'm sure someone will help me out here) will remember all the problems the PSX had with overheating, scratching cds, and the laser breaking, etc.
Yep.. Mine has to be proped up at an angle so that the vents on the bottom can get enough air to cool the system. But i have one of the first playstations, my friend has a newer one and has had no problems. I hope they fix these bugs before the US launch. One of the reasons I want a ps2 is because not only will I be able to play the new games I can play my old ones as well (and I was hoping with out the wonderful over heating). It would be sweet to play Blood Omen, Legacy of Cain with out it locking up all the damn time.
May i ask what the fuck crawled up your ass and died? Jeeeze man, calm the fuck down. He maybe a newby but you were one too, or were you born a beligerant asshole?
Wow. I was expecting to just get flamed for that post. My main reason for making that post was the senseless mac bashing, and the fact that many things that are newsworthy don't get on slashdot anymore; they are however replaced by a *demo* game being ported to linux. Many times my room mate and I have posted news stories relating to new medicines or research that is going on only to have the story rejected. Guess this one just rubbed me a little wrong but/. used to be my one stop news source for everything technical or nerdy that I wouldn't find on cnn or some other news source. Now most of the news posted is fodder like this. I get the feeling the guys behind/. don't care anymore, and why should they, they get paid either way.
Can some one please explain to me why Nanosaur, a demo game, being ported to linux, can be news. Hmm.. and yes its the only reason to buy a mac? I guess the fact that it is still one of the premier desktop publishing and graphics arts workstation. Guess Nanosaur is realy that selling point.
...it'll have a hyperlink to network properties...
Hmmm.. maby its just me but this is a lot like a feature that MacOS had quite a while ago. The MacOS help pages would open a control-panel for you and even circle in red on the screen where you needed to make the change, its not a hyperlink to the control-panel but it was still a very slick way of doing it.
Not realy the same but I wouldn't doubt that this is where they got the insperation.
In the article he explains why main frames *arn't* a thing of the past. Main frames still power banks, colleges, and government all over the place because nothing can handle the loads quite like they do. Also VM and the virtual machine capabilities of mainframes make them very flexible for clients. And the point of running linux on a mainframe is that you can section off a small part of the mainframe and run linux in as a webserver, samba file server, fire wall, or if you have employees that need to use a UNIX for their work they could have a linux vm running on a small section of the mainframe for them to work on. Another perk is that if any of the vm's go down on the mainframe they can just be restarted and the rest of the mainframe clients don't even know you are gone, or realy that you were ever there. In short mainframes are not a thing of the past for corporations, or organizations that can afford them.
Yep... and there are some versions of OF that can even telnet. There have been a few boot menu's coded in forth for the OF on powerpc machines i have seen too. Most weren't very professional but I would like to see some one write one of those in BIOS. Or for that matter even net boot a machine with BIOS.
Darwin has not been ported to x86. There was talk about porting it but as far as I know it was never carried out. Apple was talking about it before but they have sence gotten rid of any mention of it being ported, not to mention running on any intel platform.
The shareware program pops up a dialog ala Windows95/8 and lets you scroll through the list of apps before you select it.
Well have you used the MacOS 8.5-8.6 program switcher? It brings up a little dialog with the name and icon of the Application when you hit OpenApple-Tab and lets you cycled through the apps before you select one. Just like the MS one but it only shows one icon at a time with larger writing for the title of the app..
Themeing is available with out an extention in MacOS 8.5 and 8.6. The only problem is that there are only 4 themes i could dig up on the net. Kaleidascope is pretty good. And ProgramSwitcher is a standard extention in MacOS 8.5-8.6, all you have to do is hit OpenApple-Tab. It is part of the OS. And If you do a custom install you can trim most of the fat from MacOS durring install. It will still install some stuff you don't need but you can avoid most of it.
I doubt it would take all that much to get Windows to boot from OpenFirmware. Because from the open firmware on my machine (Beige G3 Mac) it is possible to boot MacOS, MacOS X, Linux, and NetBSD.
Hell yeah.. my sentaments excatly. If Crusoe is going to be such a good processor, why would they take a step back and use BIOS? Its crap, and even the Open Firmware in my mac (which is kinda buggy) can do more than any implementation of bios I have ever seen. And the Sun and SGI stuff can realy kick some ass. I don't understand Transmeta on this one.
When was the last time you saw BIOS that you could write programs in (if you know forth), or could connect to the network with? Also in some of the implementations you can even telnet.
One of the reasons they pulled back on themes in 8.5 (and it does have theme support) is that themes that change the shape and arrangment of the window borders suck, atleast how it was implemented in 8.5. I downloaded all the available themes for 8.5 (even the apple ones that didn't get "officialy" released) and while the look cool they make it hard to work with the system because when you change themes your windows no longer line up with the edges of the screen and things like that. That is one of the reasons i use WindowMaker and Afterstep, when you change themes it just changes the look. The windows have the same shape and they are in the same places as they were before. So the lesson i have learned is that themes with wierd/cool window boarders are great for screen shots and eye candy.. but they are just that.
Good point... also the human race has altered its surroundings to suit it's needs, but never before has it altered its self to suit it's own needs. That is the truely scary part.
And the network maps and games were great too. Who can forget a good game of Kill the Man with the Ball, or King of the Hill. I expecialy like the premise of Kill the Man with the Ball, you fight to get the ball (which was a skull) and then you just run and try to avoid the others, because you can't use your wepons while you have the ball. and it is much easier to see what wepons your oponents are useing.
"This is the Mac source. The sole known archive of the Windows 9x source was placed in a l ead box and shipped to one of our island laboratories for safekeeping. Unbeknownst to us, the boat c arrying the box made an unscheduled run up the coast of Madagascar, where the ship's captain hoped to catch the end of the annual Miss Middle Of Nowhere pageant. The ship was approximately six miles f rom shore when it was torpedoed by a one-man sub purchased from the Hammacher-Schlemmer catalog by a punter with more money than brains. Divers are still combing the sea floor looking for the box conta ining the Windows code, and if we ever find it I'm sure we'll let you know. Windows hackers with lot s of spare time may still be able to do interesting things with this code."
In my opinion there is reasons for the double standard. The way i see it is that open source software, and its developers, are a little less negligent becuase the source is open and available to anyone. If i have concerns about the security of a program or the buggy-ness of the program, i can look rigth at the source and see for my self. True that not everyone who uses the software can do this but sence many people do, and any user can usualy check out the mailing lists or newsgroups for an opensource project, most users can rely on the other eyeballs to assure them of the quality of the software. I can not, nor can anyone else, except for the employese of the software vendor, view and/or debug closed source software. This makes a diffrence to me because with open software i can assure my self of the quality of the program, but with closed software, i have to rely on the word of the company as to the quality.
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I am a CSE at ASU (arizona state) and we have to take cources in engineering ethics too. We learn ways to make our design decisions etical and how to solve problems effectivly.
Also so far in my classes I have had quite a bit more hardware than my CS friends. We have done digital design at the gate level, and we are now doing electical networks. My CS friends have only had to do the digital design, and I have been told that is to be their last required hardware class.
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I was hopeing someone would post about Quartz/Aqua. Although its not radicaly diffrent, just radicaly diffrent from the current implementations. NeXT used display postscript I believe, and most of Mac OS X is based off of NeXT stuff, including Quartz/Aqua. Also I like the idea of a wrapper library, but that might still break some apps. Also what is the network capablitly of the old NeXT display system?
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It says that because under US law you can make a backup copy of your stuff. So if you own the game you can download the rom because it can be considered your backup copy of the game. If how ever you do not own the game then you are breaking copyright.
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Hmm.. there is nothing in the article that says they are paying to have ethernet in their rooms. It just says that the diffrence in cost between two totaly diffrent dorms, one with ethernet, is 24 dolars. They however do not live in one with ethernet in the rooms. How is it that leaching etherenet access from a computerlab down stairs when you arn't paying to have it in your room is ok in the real world? This *is* basicaly stealing. Not very severe theft but it is theft none the less.
And as for a technology fee, if it is anything like my school, you pay a fee for access to the computers acrost campus. That fee does not, however, entitle you to access in your room. To get that privilge you must pay to live in one of the wired dorms.
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This is news but I think most of the /. community is taking this the wrong way. These guys stole internet access. Same as someone leaching cable off the house next to them. These guys probably could have gotten their internet access by making some noise in the local media about it, if this was a university oversight and they should have gotten access. Instead they took it to themselfs to leach ethernet off of the school. They commited a crime. Get over with it.
And 300 ft??? Jeeze buy a damn modem and deal with 56k.
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problems on both sides. We got the goods good because we were patient.
Ah... this was what the article talked about. I missed hearing about most of these bugs.
2. Anyone who owned a Playstation before model #(I forget, but I'm sure someone will help me out here) will remember all
the problems the PSX had with overheating, scratching cds, and the laser breaking, etc.
Yep.. Mine has to be proped up at an angle so that the vents on the bottom can get enough air to cool the system. But i have one of the first playstations, my friend has a newer one and has had no problems. I hope they fix these bugs before the US launch. One of the reasons I want a ps2 is because not only will I be able to play the new games I can play my old ones as well (and I was hoping with out the wonderful over heating). It would be sweet to play Blood Omen, Legacy of Cain with out it locking up all the damn time.
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May i ask what the fuck crawled up your ass and died? Jeeeze man, calm the fuck down. He maybe a newby but you were one too, or were you born a beligerant asshole?
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Wow. I was expecting to just get flamed for that post. My main reason for making that post was the senseless mac bashing, and the fact that many things that are newsworthy don't get on slashdot anymore; they are however replaced by a *demo* game being ported to linux. Many times my room mate and I have posted news stories relating to new medicines or research that is going on only to have the story rejected. Guess this one just rubbed me a little wrong but /. used to be my one stop news source for everything technical or nerdy that I wouldn't find on cnn or some other news source. Now most of the news posted is fodder like this. I get the feeling the guys behind /. don't care anymore, and why should they, they get paid either way.
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Can some one please explain to me why Nanosaur, a demo game, being ported to linux, can be news. Hmm.. and yes its the only reason to buy a mac? I guess the fact that it is still one of the premier desktop publishing and graphics arts workstation. Guess Nanosaur is realy that selling point.
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...it'll have a hyperlink to network properties...
Hmmm.. maby its just me but this is a lot like a feature that MacOS had quite a while ago. The MacOS help pages would open a control-panel for you and even circle in red on the screen where you needed to make the change, its not a hyperlink to the control-panel but it was still a very slick way of doing it.
Not realy the same but I wouldn't doubt that this is where they got the insperation.
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In the article he explains why main frames *arn't* a thing of the past. Main frames still power banks, colleges, and government all over the place because nothing can handle the loads quite like they do. Also VM and the virtual machine capabilities of mainframes make them very flexible for clients. And the point of running linux on a mainframe is that you can section off a small part of the mainframe and run linux in as a webserver, samba file server, fire wall, or if you have employees that need to use a UNIX for their work they could have a linux vm running on a small section of the mainframe for them to work on. Another perk is that if any of the vm's go down on the mainframe they can just be restarted and the rest of the mainframe clients don't even know you are gone, or realy that you were ever there. In short mainframes are not a thing of the past for corporations, or organizations that can afford them.
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That is what the cold pizza is for:-)
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Hell yeah.. now if we could only get the budwiser guy's to sell the copyright. Or should he be named Frank? :-) Now we just need a ferret logo.
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Yep... and there are some versions of OF that can even telnet. There have been a few boot menu's coded in forth for the OF on powerpc machines i have seen too. Most weren't very professional but I would like to see some one write one of those in BIOS. Or for that matter even net boot a machine with BIOS.
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Darwin has not been ported to x86. There was talk about porting it but as far as I know it was never carried out. Apple was talking about it before but they have sence gotten rid of any mention of it being ported, not to mention running on any intel platform.
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The shareware program pops up a dialog ala
Windows95/8 and lets you scroll through the list of apps before you select it.
Well have you used the MacOS 8.5-8.6 program switcher? It brings up a little dialog with the name and icon of the Application when you hit OpenApple-Tab and lets you cycled through the apps before you select one. Just like the MS one but it only shows one icon at a time with larger writing for the title of the app..
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Themeing is available with out an extention in MacOS 8.5 and 8.6. The only problem is that there are only 4 themes i could dig up on the net. Kaleidascope is pretty good. And ProgramSwitcher is a standard extention in MacOS 8.5-8.6, all you have to do is hit OpenApple-Tab. It is part of the OS. And If you do a custom install you can trim most of the fat from MacOS durring install. It will still install some stuff you don't need but you can avoid most of it.
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I doubt it would take all that much to get Windows to boot from OpenFirmware. Because from the open firmware on my machine (Beige G3 Mac) it is possible to boot MacOS, MacOS X, Linux, and NetBSD.
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Hell yeah.. my sentaments excatly. If Crusoe is going to be such a good processor, why would they take a step back and use BIOS? Its crap, and even the Open Firmware in my mac (which is kinda buggy) can do more than any implementation of bios I have ever seen. And the Sun and SGI stuff can realy kick some ass. I don't understand Transmeta on this one.
When was the last time you saw BIOS that you could write programs in (if you know forth), or could connect to the network with? Also in some of the implementations you can even telnet.
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One of the reasons they pulled back on themes in 8.5 (and it does have theme support) is that themes that change the shape and arrangment of the window borders suck, atleast how it was implemented in 8.5. I downloaded all the available themes for 8.5 (even the apple ones that didn't get "officialy" released) and while the look cool they make it hard to work with the system because when you change themes your windows no longer line up with the edges of the screen and things like that. That is one of the reasons i use WindowMaker and Afterstep, when you change themes it just changes the look. The windows have the same shape and they are in the same places as they were before. So the lesson i have learned is that themes with wierd/cool window boarders are great for screen shots and eye candy.. but they are just that.
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From the story:
Is it just me or does that seem like a relativly small number of people to be auditing 4 million lines of code (or was it more?)?
Can some one tell me what the average number of people on a auditing team is?
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Good point... also the human race has altered its surroundings to suit it's needs, but never before has it altered its self to suit it's own needs. That is the truely scary part.
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And the network maps and games were great too. Who can forget a good game of Kill the Man with the Ball, or King of the Hill. I expecialy like the premise of Kill the Man with the Ball, you fight to get the ball (which was a skull) and then you just run and try to avoid the others, because you can't use your wepons while you have the ball. and it is much easier to see what wepons your oponents are useing.
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From the readme:
"This is the Mac source. The sole known archive of the Windows 9x source was placed in a l
ead box and shipped to one of our island laboratories for safekeeping. Unbeknownst to us, the boat c
arrying the box made an unscheduled run up the coast of Madagascar, where the ship's captain hoped to
catch the end of the annual Miss Middle Of Nowhere pageant. The ship was approximately six miles f
rom shore when it was torpedoed by a one-man sub purchased from the Hammacher-Schlemmer catalog by a
punter with more money than brains. Divers are still combing the sea floor looking for the box conta
ining the Windows code, and if we ever find it I'm sure we'll let you know. Windows hackers with lot
s of spare time may still be able to do interesting things with this code."
Anyone else find that funny?:)
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In my opinion there is reasons for the double standard. The way i see it is that open source software, and its developers, are a little less negligent becuase the source is open and available to anyone. If i have concerns about the security of a program or the buggy-ness of the program, i can look rigth at the source and see for my self. True that not everyone who uses the software can do this but sence many people do, and any user can usualy check out the mailing lists or newsgroups for an opensource project, most users can rely on the other eyeballs to assure them of the quality of the software. I can not, nor can anyone else, except for the employese of the software vendor, view and/or debug closed source software. This makes a diffrence to me because with open software i can assure my self of the quality of the program, but with closed software, i have to rely on the word of the company as to the quality.