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The Ultimate Geek Food
Triune writes, "Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert, has started Scott Adams Foods in order to sell their new burrito-type snack that contains 100% of most, if not all, the daily requirements. The
Dilberito!" The ultimate geek food? You'd elect this over ramen noodles? Note to Andover execs - exploit marketing possibilities of the CmdrTaco.
it sounds sick... and ramen smells. I like candy much better.
Although the concept is quite cool, I don't think these will ever replace ramen and similar things as the food for geeks. I can buy a package of ramen for anywhere between 10 and 25 cents. perfect for my budget. I doubt anything with the dilbert label will be nearly as cheap.
either way, i'll probably end up wasting money on at least one package of these things, just to try 'em.
I believe either Ben & Jerry's or Haagen Daaz also has Dilbert Ice Cream. I'm gonna have to check out the Dilberito though
There are some things I wish could be undone.
This is definatly one of them.
I'll stick with my Cup O' Noodles, Eggos, Pop Tarts, and Diet Pepsi.
Oh, and some cold pizza to soak it up.
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Where's the beef? And whats with the non-dairy cheese? This can't possibly qualify as geek food - its not even close to unhealthy enough. We don't drink coffee and Dew and Jolt becuase we're taking care of our bodies!
Delivery Taco Bell - that is the ultimate in geek eating.
like shooting fish in a barrel.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Consists of subway. I thought you'd like to know, but you probably don't. In either case, it beats ramen noodles and barfurritos.
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Can we go one day without a non-computer related marketable product? PUULLLLLLEEEAAASE?
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I think that maybe he should have paid a little bit more attention to what coders actually eat, if that's his target audience. I think it's good that it can be held in one hand, but I find it disturbing that there isn't a 'pizza' flavor. I mean, come on now.
Seriously, I'll probably pick up a 'Barbeque' or 'Mexican' to see if they're any good, but I really doubt I'll be picking up any 'Indian' or 'Garlic and Herb'. Now, if 'Pizza' was an option, then I'd probably buy a case of them without ever having tried them.
As far as the utility of the 'Dilberito', what's going to seperate this from other one-handed foods? e.g. Hot Pockets and others of its type. Better be tasty.
The part I like is that they "contain 100% of most, if not all, the daily requirements.". I have always wanted something like this, like Purina Human Chow, that would not spoil, was easily carried about, required no preparation, and fulfilled all nutritional requirements. Of course these Dilberitos require heating up, but I use my monitor for that. Just put 'em on the back of your monitor when you come in in the morning, and by lunchtime they are done!
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Oh, wait... this is Heat-N-Eat(tm). Now, there's something I could could use more of -- TIME!
Now, assuming 3 of these meals a day, that would put us at 300% RDA and about 900 to 1100 calories (not including drinks & snacks). Not too many calories, but what happens when you get too many vitamins?
Ramen... ick. Too much salt.
Ever notice that MCSEs advertise the fact, but Sun & Novell certified people don't?
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Wait just a minute... what's this about daily requirements?? Here's the excerpt from the Indian Dilberito page:
Total Fat 5g 8% 8%
Saturated Fat 0g 0% 0%
Cholesterol 0mg 0% 0%
Sodium 630mg 26% 28%
Potassium 230mg 9% 10%
Total Carb 53g 18% 21%
Dietary Fiber 3g 12% 12%
Sugars 4g
Protein 8g
While the page *does* say that it provides 100% of many vitamins and minerals, the above is clearly not 100%.
Also, note that Total cereal DOES THE EXACT SAME THING in their marketing. You've seen the ads where they scroll down the Nutrition Facts and everything says 100% - that doesn't count the PROTEIN you need, it's only the vitamins and minerals.
If something with "100% of your Daily Requirements" were the ultimate geek food, Total would be much more popular than ramen.
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hey, all power to Scott Adams if he could pull all of this off, but at some point, you just gotta question if there's anything he WOULDN'T get into.
In case you didn't realize, I like Calvin & Hobbes more than Dilbert. But then, they are apples and oranges, aren't they?
I really hate to be one of those people who bitch about stuff being too old to be considered *news*, but this one must have been lost in the submissions pile for a _lo-o-ong_ time.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
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Okay, hang on. I'll go the toilet and put it into a small plastic bag and fedEx it to you.
Umm, does anyone know when will Dilberitos land to the crazier borders of Europe?
All four burritos look nasty - filled with multi-colored vegetables. They look way too healthy. Next thing you know, you'd be eating salads.
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but I submitted this *weeks* ago!
I loved them! Too bad that they nearly completely disappeared from the German market a few years ago. :-(
(I bet that the swiss food-mafia (Nestle') is responsible for this!)
This is great! I have lactose intolerance as about half of the American popular. Finally a dairy-free meat-free alternative for the rest of us. I'm also a strict vegetarian. All four flavors of the Dilberito look suitable for me and my fellow vegans to eat. The real test is if it tastes good!
Also, I won't go near a 7 Eleven, so I'll be glad when they start selling on the East coast at real grocery stores. But, the price has to be reasonable, too!
I actually bought one of these at my local 7-11 when they started carrying them a couple months ago. It was moldy throughout the whole thing. I then returned it and got another with the same result. Might have just been a bad batch, but it certainly didn't look paticularly appetizing. Give me Cherry Bomb Jolt, and ramen noodles any day over this.
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On looking at the Indian recipe, I was disappointed to see that it was not chicken tikka jalfrezi.
;-)
... and it doesn't come with a bottle of ice-cold Kingfisher or Cobra.
Never mind
I'm out of my tree just now but please feel free to leave a banana.
Just sorta curious, why is this under the Quickies icon? Are you supposed to vacum up all the corn you drop after your done eating it? Maybe Slashdot needs a food icon. Or maybe not.
Heres hoping that they can make them tasty.
Too many times, food that promises to be good for you comes out and it taste like something i don't think i can say on here
Wouldnt the CmdrTaco be considered too meaty and spicey for the average tech? perhaps even a bit on the fluffy side...
Tried one a few weeks ago.Forgot what I paid but remember thinking it was a tad much for a little burrito.Anyway..it tasted very bland..no real flavor at all.The "sauce" that came with it was ..I kid you not..raw chopped up garlic.BLEH! I love garlic but this was bitter as hell.The whole experence left me thinking Adam's should stick to drawing Dilbert & leave the cooking to Julia Child.
What I like best are the "instant noodle cup"-type of foods. Nuke some water in a microwave, open the bag, pour it into a mug and in 1 minute you have something to keep you from blacking out due to lack of food. Nice!
well, i'm pretty sure i'm not going to go rush out and buy any, but at least they're all vegetarian.
Maybe someone's trying to warn us that this is Big Brother food- there's chemicals in it that enable Scott Adams to track by your urine anytime you use a toilet manufactured after 1996....
(That's a joke, BTW. It's Sunday, that's the best I can do.)
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Thanks, but I'll stick with my PowerBars.
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I remember reading about this a long time ago. Basically, Scott Adams was grossed out by something and became a vegitarian. He couldn't find any good vegitarian foods out there, so he decided to make his own. No preservatives. I prefer Pizza Rolls myself.
Slashdot poll: Which snack food do you like best?
Meatless? Mango chutney? WTF? These are little bread-bags of salty vegetables. Look at the barbecue one, it doesn't even look edible. Whoever made these things clearly lives in CA.
Boston needs delivery Taco Bell!
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Open source the chalupa man!! A naked Natalie Portman with hot grits in her lap demands it for the good of penguins everywhere!
Submitted this a year ago ! Wow , slashdot has some queue !
Stop reading then, ya dumb fuck.
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I know that they're hyped to no end as a sports supplement, but MetRx bars are the closest thing I've found to Human Chow.
They meet all of your criteria (don't spoil, easy to carry, no prep, high nutritional value). They also have the distinct advantage of not making your butt too wide for your chair anymore (unlike pizza, Ramen, etc.)
Personally, I've always thought MetRx bars come closer to being "geek food" than Ramen noodles, pizza, burritos, or Doritos. They're much healthier and you can eat them at the keyboard. Heck, they're even labeled "Engineered Food".
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Dilbert can be a pretty funny comic sometimes, but It really irks me that Scott Adams has sold out to the extent that he has.... Desk calendars, t-shirts, mouse pads, an animated cartoon series, books, Office Depot ads, car window dolls, "Geek Food"... the list goes on and on and on. Considering that the strip itself looks as though it takes about 5 minutes to draw and not much longer to conceive, Adams seems to have quite a moneymaker on his hands, and boy is he ever exploiting it :). Oh well. I'm done ranting now.
This sounds like the perfect food for the Hacker's Diet. It looks like alot of volume for the calorie count, and has quite a bit of nutritional value as well.
I do have to agree that this looks more like Yuppie Chow (tm) than geek food. I just don't see engineers eating alot of legumes and non-dairy cheese. It is, however, a microwavable food... and there is a certain charm to foods you've just prepared by exposing them to radiation.
Now if Mr. Adams can hook up with Pepsico to make a healthy Dorito with 100% of my daily nutritional needs, to go along with my DMD (Diet Mountain Dew, a gift from above to dieting hackers)... Then he's really got something.
I'll try it, and if its good I'll continue buying it. But I don't really know if its wise for 'ol Scot to use the Dilbert name everywhere. Expecially on something whose concept it doesn't mesh fit with, like yuppie health food. We don't want Dilbert to become so ever present that we get tired of it.
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Those things look pretty tasty. Anyone had one?
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Forget Dilbert food. I want the Scott Adams(tm) line of sex toys. Imagine the marketing slogans for that one.
They spray it with vitamins and stuff. Now I'm going to be sick.
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From the posts here, and my years in computers, there's the general opinion that geeks have to eat ramen and burritos, never have a good meal, and either be overweight or underweight. I know that's not true, geeks come in all shapes and sizes.
Personally, I LOVE food. I love cooking. Sure, I'll eat ramen, I'll eat microwave burritos, but I'll also make whole, real meals most of the time. Why? Because they're tasty. Because things taste better when you make them yourself, IMHO.
I'm curious why geeks are supposed to be these malnurished drones who can't leave their computers. Some of us remember to eat now and again, and some of us like to cook and make food that's tasty and good for us. Personally, it helps me to work. I know where the stereotype came from, but is it the norm?
The Good Reverend
More important than taste, at least to me, is how many little pieces of food will fall into my keyboard. If it could be eaten in one bite, that might work, but for multi-bite meals, it has to be clean. Ramen is *really* bad for this.
Narrative
This hand-held burrito thing isn't going to cut it. Until these things reach pill format, I'm not interested. Currently, the closest thing to the ultimate geek food I know of is Greens+.
How many times have you programmed for about 12 hours straight only to realize that you are parched, starving and your bladder is about to burst?
The fact is, geeks don't like to eat, drink or even take a whiz when they're programming. All of those things are distractions... they are crude, biological mechanisms.
So, spare us your so-called "future-food", Dilbert. I'm sticking with my IV.
Multiplayer Strategy
The world definatly needs a high-quality frozen burrito. This unit often gets hungry durring a late-night hacking session, but most frozen foods I see in the grocery store look pretty nasty.
However, I find the presence of the dilbert charecters (especially Wally) on the packageing of the Diberito to be disturbing. It would have to be pretty damn good to make up for that.
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That level of commercialism is disgusting...
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
I can't wait to toss one of these in the blender and add it to the mix in my IV bag. I'm sure my veins will really enjoy it. By eliminating solid food, and using a catheter, I never have to leave the warm comfy cradle of my recliner. I can spend 24/7 checking slashdot for new headlines, ensuring that I am always up to date and well informed.
Seriously, though, Clif Bars are rockin' geek food. Lots of protein and fiber, plus some vitamins (not complete, mostly antioxidants). And the chocolate chip peanut crunch is sooooo tasty. Nutritious candy for lazy geeks.
ted
Anyway, this looks like a nice idea and I guess it's good if you're a vegetarian (and/or lactose intolerant). I, however, am a carnivore. The only salad I eat is chicken salad (or normal salad with big chicken slabs in it.... mmmm.... chicken...). The Dilberito has plenty of beans in it, so at least when you're pulling that all-nighter in the computer lab, you'll gas the place up. Oh, wait, that's not a good thing...
So maybe I'm not that healthy, at least what I eat is yummy. And so what if I die 3 years ahead of schedule, at least I enjoy the time I'm here.
mmmm... steak...
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So, say what you will about Adams, it seems that, by investing his own money to develop the Dilberito, he's trying to help people eat healthier without having to become "nutrition geeks." The "Dilbert" name and packaging is just a way to market it to people (like sugar-coating on pills, perhaps).
It's a noble goal, whether or not its actual execution is flawed. (And I've never tasted or even seen a Dilberito, so I can't yet judge for myself, but next time I'm in the local King Soopers, I'll have a look for 'em.) So, before you condemn Adams out of hand, ask yourself how healthy you eat on a regular basis (and I know I for one am flawed in that respect). If Adams can leverage the Dilbert brand to get a few more people to eat healthy for once, isn't it worth it?
Eric
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now would that be a hard or soft taco?
and just how many flavors would there be?
o' i'm willing to tast test them...
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I submitted this two years ago!
even though everyone gets so screwed over, how great it is to live in a country where i can freely say "GW Bush, you're a fuckhead"
So there IS a demand for Dilberts.
Still, one would hope that the accessory would NOT be Dildog...
Ceterum censeo Microsoftam esse delendam.
if you're really looking at this from the hacker perspective, you view eating from a utilitarian and pleasure-oriented point of view. first, you need to eat, and second, you can have very happy sensations when you eat certain foods. the utilitarian bit is what makes you want to eat one thing that contains all your vitamins and minerals and whatnot so that you can stay alive as efficiently as possible. the pleasure-oriented part is what make you eat doritoes and coke and unhealthy stuff that tastes yummy.
what I propose is the following - get as many vitamins and minerals as possible through the use of dietary supplements. quite simple - you can eat a handful of pills and never work about scurvy or any other wierd deficiency no matter what other shit you eat.
then you eat a lot of something that fills you up but isnt loaded with fat. I prefer Fla*Vor*Ice, sometimes I switch to bleached white Wonder bread (mmmmmmmm); you might like cheez-its or doritoes or any number of things. IMPORTANT - do not pick something like "pork rinds" or "lard" for this unless you want to turn into a disgusting blob. eat this food all day, every day.
then, every time you feel like eating something else specifically, go get some. i.e., if suddently you want a pastrami sandwich, or some steak, or some carrots, or some tofu, get it. your general sense of fullness will prevent you from pigging out on these sporadic demand-items, but you won't die of protein deficiency or anything of the sort, because when your body needs something, it will tell you.
Mmm... I want one. I'm actually quite surprized, not only do they look tasty, but I don't see any preservatives in the ingredients list, and they're vegetarian. I think I'll have to get a few of these to try them out.
Okay are one of those who listen to silent choppers at night too??? i know the NSA is after you right, yer fighting the system!! The point is, /. represents a gathering of people, with similar interests! that go beyond news, because ya can't live out of that the whole time!! see, is interesting to see once in a while books, and stuff that fits your needs, if you don't like it HOW ABOUT you don't read the news segment and keep the negative and highly cliched comments to yourself.
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I like /. you fucking idiot. BUT I DON'T HAVE TO LIKE EVERYTHING THAT APPEARS ON IT. /.
I don't like linux either.
BSD is much better
But i still read
Hmm I don't like any of the presidental candidates...maybe i should move to the UK or Canada.
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the funny thing is.. why does scott adams avoid mentioning this? it's nowhere on the website or in any of the press releases. it's like he's trying to sneak veganity past the unwashed masses. I suppose that's what the "nobody knows how to eat healthily" and "make the world a better place" doublespeak is about.
the other funny thing: my vegan friends tell me that caseinate (one of the main ingredients in the "non-dairy cheese") is milk-derived and not vegan-safe. maybe this is some kind of synthetic casein? maybe he's too vegan for real cheese, but not too vegan for artifical cheese with milk protein?
as far as people pointing out that it's not really a "complete day's nutrition," it's worth noting that the only things they don't have 100%usra of are the things you normally get much too much of. it is *just hard* to live in america and consume less than 100% of your recommended fat, protein, sodium etc intakes -- this is called dieting, and it's not something coders are known for. you wouldn't eat just a burrito in a whole day -- you'd grab some chips and jolt or something. one of these dilberitos plus a serving or two of unhealthy junk food will give you a great approximation of the rda's.
Remember, Adams has an MBA and has always worked in the business world, and HAS NO ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE. He's not a geek. I don't think he's ever claimed to be. He's looking to make money, and until his cost-benefit analyses tell him that he's overusing the Dilbert trademark and decreasing its appeal, he's continue to paste it on anything he can sell.
Ceterum censeo Microsoftam esse delendam.
But in response to your question, I think a lot of this junk food ethic comes from college. I live in a dorm and we're not allowed to have hotplates or anything in our rooms (although I do have an "illegal" hotplate, but that doesn't really help prepare a huge meal). There is a kitchen in the building, but I live on the third floor and the kitchen is in the basement, so that's a no-go right there.
When I was on break, I cooked lots and lots. Hot dogs, pasta dishes, fancy meals, steaks, everything. I would love to be able to cook meals all the time but it's just not possible.
I realize many "geeks" (note, I don't really consider myself a true "geek") are no longer in college, but the move from college to work is often a matter of location. They find themselves doing the same thing at work as they did in college and so they fall into the habits they had in college. Pulling an all-nighter to get the server running? Well, eat the Dilberto.
Also, I usually get hungry around 2 am. There aren't many places that deliver at 2 am and preparing a huge dish that late is a pain. So there the Dilberto (or other quick/junk food) comes in handy.
These are just theories, of course.
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Besides the fact they look disgusting, they are marketed by Scott Adams. I have no respect for that man after the Dilhole lawyer letter. He and his dilbert strip can jump off a cliff.
But all of this is beside the fact. They certainly do not give you 100% of your daily needs:
no caffeine
no alcohol
and no where near enough sugars/fat
That excludes it from being the perfect geek food.
This sig is false.
and i've heard the opposite. At least, about some vitamins (vitamin c or calcium comes to mind). I've heard that eating too many vitamins causes problems. I can't remember what, but I've heard such at meals with my dad, a doctor (dentist, if you want to get picky, but no less informed and no less intelligent).
Once again, since i'm not a doctor I shouldn't know, right?
;-)
Insert mind here.
For those all-night hacks, pizza and microwaved burritos are big. Interestingly, though the mainstream culture has tended to think of hackers as incorrigible junk-food junkies, many have at least mildly health-foodist attitudes and are fairly discriminating about what they eat. This may be generational; anecdotal evidence suggests that the stereotype was more on the mark before the early 1980s. (Italics mine.)
Geeks' affinity for junk food is a stereotype that has its roots in reality but doesn't stretch its branches far enough to cover us all.
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Okay, not all of us Geeks eat like crap. I am one that tries to eat "right". Ya, I have my overdose of Caffine everyday, but other than that, I eat pretty well.
.5 grams. The Fiber content is pretty good at about 25% DV on average. The Calories count is also well at 310 average per serving. Wash it down with some Caffine product and you would be set for the day.
The Dilberito actually looks like it is "healthy". The Fat content is good amount, and its Saturated Fat is 0 or
My only complant is that if you ate 4 of these things with the Nutrent content it has some people might get sick or overdose on Vitamin A and Iron. Although for most Slashdot readers this would not be a problem.
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Sounds like just the thing for me. I'm a 'not so strict' vegetarian, but my choices are still pretty limited. It's nice to have this option. I'll give them all a try anyway.
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And Newton, NJ? Well, that's a helluva nod to Apple, huh? Especially for a discontinued product.
I think I see a pattern here... Newton, Apples, Macintosh, Healthy Burritos from Scott Adams, hmmm...
I think I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader...
In any case, they've gotta be better than 'Penguin Patties' (TM)
Russ
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Stop defining the very essence of /. a place for nerds to see stuff that matters, does not only include the latest gadget for rocket engineering. Its about defining the preffernce of a set of individuals interested in social patterns that sometimes include the advertisemnt of new and, ingenious or sometimes just plain wierd products... then again, if you think the news is not worth it why bother reading it? or even whinning about it?
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Nuff said.
Maybe its just me but I never understood why ramen is so popular. If price is a factor then sphagetti or pasta is available for slightly more. It takes about the same time and tastes a lot better. Hell, baked potatoes cook in the same time as ramen and taste much better.
If cost isn't a consideration, something like lamb stew, chili, quiche, etc. take about 10-15 minutes to prepare (they take about 30-60 min to cook, but you can do something else while they're cooking).
I'm not sure where this thing with geeks eating only pizza and ramen comes from. I'm a math/cs major and most of the other physics/math/cs I know don't eat that stuff on a regular basis. At our parties, you're more likely to see stuff like salmon steaks, grilled portabella mushrooms, fresh baked cookies than pizza or ramen.
"When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, it seems like two minutes. When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes, it
The Dilerito actually tastes good. They were selling them at the seven eleven near me for 2 or 3 bucks last year. I tried a few but switched back to ramen b/c it's so much cheaper.
High in carbs, low in sugar, but short on protein.
since when do you symbolize the majority's viewpoint in /. ??? so beacuse you consider an article is not good enough for your irreverently displayed IQ for worthy news, does not mean theres NOT other individuals who find, funny interesting, or why not dumb... but at least we're getting a more broad sense of the geek newsline, meaning as in CENTERSPINNING in geek news, dilbert is god damn geek cartoon. you do math genius
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fish in a barrel indeed!
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Sacred cows make the best burgers.
At least he's not pretending. He knows he's a "sell-out" and even admits it - so congratulations for restating the obvious. If you don't like it, don't buy the stuff.
Would like to try them, but there's a long list of vegetables I don't like, including: onions, broccoli, peppers, and a bunch of others.
:-)
Guess it's back to ramen, Swan's frozen pizzas, and Reser's Beef & bean burritos. Would be good to get something healthier, but I'll worry about that when I start getting sick.
I can't believe anyone drinks that horsepiss. Of all the "diet" versions of sodas out there, diet mountain dew takes the lead for tasting as little like the original as possible. Not to mention that horrid aftertaste oft associated with diet sodas. I drank 1 can of it 1 time, and that was only because the machine was out of everything else (now I know why the DMD was still available). I'd rather just drink water and pop the occasional Vivarin for my caffeine fix.
Just so this isn't completely off the main topic, I think the Dilberitos will probably suck. Looking at the pictures, it seems to look like a casserole in a tortilla. Casseroles should stick to being something you make out of all the random bits of leftovers in your fridge...it should be something periodic based upon the need to use up stuff before it's bad, not a staple of the diet.
Note to Andover execs - exploit marketing possibilities of the CmdrTaco.
Ummm Rob, Isn't CmdrTaco technically Dave Berry's intellectual property? Unless he publishes his articles under the GPL, you will have to license this from him.
:)
Finkployd
A lot of my friends and I eat Indian food fairly frequently, and I know one person in particular who carries around a garlic spray (that's right, spray) so he can spray his pizza at meetings where free pizza is to be had. I'm pretty sure he sprays it on other food, too.
Point being that different people have different tastes, and just judging just by the eating habits around my school, Indian would sell fairly well, assuming people want to buy Dilberitos. I'd be willing to wager that there will be new flavors coming out if this initial venture is successful, but it's probably a good idea to invest in a small but varied subset of tastes, test market reaction, and then unroll big-ass product lines. Of course, I'm not an econ major, so I couldn't tell you with certainty.
- Y
"There is no culture in computer science, only cults." - M. Felleisen
What kind of lunacy is that?
I have no
What real news?
If you don't like it, don't buy it, don't read it, and leave everyone else alone.
"Aww, but Slashdot is getting so bad lately."
Deal, man, deal. It's a web site, and there's burrito's on it. Big deal.
I've seen web sites with women and burritos. Not a big deal, eh.
Pass them by. Don't bitch when there's something you don't like. There's this wonderful concept called "DON'T read the story, man!"
I've never head a good argument against that.
Dan
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Even the legendary Santana couldn't force happiness upon the masses at the W2K rollout.
First: Strict vegetarian, haven't eaten meat in 12 years.
Mexican dilberito: Moderately tasty. Not as good as Amy's Organics burritos.
Garlic and Herb dilberito: Extremely dissapointing. I LOVE garlic, occasionaly even eat a clove raw. This was barely edible, and the garlic and herb sauce was nasty bad.
barbeque: It was ok, but I'm not a huge fan of barbeque.
I haven't tried the Indian yet.
I don't remember exactly how much I paid, but they were not cheap.
Dave Barry has first usage of the term "Commander Taco"
"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
Maybe its just me but I never understood why ramen is so popular. If price is a factor then sphagetti or pasta is available for slightly more. It takes about the same time and tastes a lot better. Hell, baked potatoes cook in the same time as ramen and taste much better.
;-)
Agreed!   Way back when I was in college, the big rage was Kraft Macaroni and Cheese.   Buy like 5 boxes for 1-2 dollars and you were good to go!  
-- Win2k: "It's not so much that it's only 65,000 bugs, it's just that they stopped at 65,535 to prevent an overflow."
Hey Einstein....Maybe if we bitch about it, they will stop posting stupid articles like this. /. turns into nothing but this kind of crap.
If we don't bitch, then we can't bitch when
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Do you have a url for MetRx bars? I'm really looking at simplifying my diet.. these dilbert things would rock, but the prepartion and size is a problem.. I saw once 'bachelor chow' on the show futurama.. it was a joke at that point.. but if i was working at Purina right now i'd be fixing up the marketing for that.. think about it.. for someone that wants to eat healthy, but can't afford to take the time to make a healthy meal, something that provides all the required nutrients woul be great.. you could even have a feed indicator on the side similar to dog food - "if your dog is obese, feed half a cup 3 times a day, if your dog is sligthly overweight, feed 3/4 cup 3 times a day, if your dog is normal or average maintenace weight, 1 cup 3 times a day"..
Okay screw purina.. who's in this with me? any venture capatilists out there?
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Esobofh - Currently drinking fresh mango juice.
Finally...A voice of reason.
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#1. Get the stick outta your ass.
/. then try to appreciate it instead of babbling.
#2. Don't whine. It doesn't accomplish anything. If you enjoy
#3. You're preaching to the converted.
#4. Most geeks like cool toys. Most cool toys cost money. Get over it.
The cheese contains Sodium Caseinate, which is almost always (or so i understand) derived from dairy products. As a vegetarian who is too lazy to be vegan, I have looked into stuff like that. Very few "non-dairy" cheeses are actually fully non-dairy. Since I can't really imagine life without cheese, I'll stay an L-O Veggie (I love eggs, too ;-) So, for me, this sounds like a really cool product, though I'd be concerned with the overabundance of nutrients in the thing. As long as you don't have one at every meal, though, it ought to be fine.
Just picking nits,
-Chris
I'll stick with the ramen noodles, thanks. Personally, I don't like burritos, although I like Dilbert. My favorite is the eunuchs/unix cartoon, but I digress. Ramen noodles are great because they're inexpensive, and they taste good both cooked and uncooked. Mmmm... shrimp ramen noodles... er, excuse me. Stick with the cartoons, Scott Adams.
I agree with you. I also only click the articles that interest me. But this one REALLY annoyed me. you stated that there were over 132 comments posted, but how many people agree that this article is stupid but just decided to pass it over? /. tremendously. You could "moderate" the articles you like up and those you thought irrevelant down. Then the average /.'er opinion would be known. Then i could deal with stuff like this if thats what the average /.'er wanted.
I think perhaps a rating system would help out
Or better put, I would stick with daemon news.
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I wouldn't call this "geek food." It's more like workaholic yuppie food. Think about it: it's very intentionally healthy, it's trendy (the whole "wraps" thing) and it's fast.
Actually, it's probably something overworked supermoms are going to cram in their kids' faces before they rush them off to soccer practice. I think most people associate food with cartoon characters on it with kiddie stuff. I think that'll happen here too, even if the kids don't find Dilbert all that funny.
I live in Canada though, so it'll probably be a while before those things pop up on the local grocery shelves here. What if it is a success then? What else will we see? Dilbergers? Wally-Os? Alice's Fist-Of-Death hot sauce? I know I've seen Dilbert mints already...
I was writing the poem in response to niekze's writing style. IT had nothing to do with you. Note how I signed it "the niekze-like poet."
DOn't go getting all mad when I wasn't even referring to you.
niekze's Slashdot - "We talk about love, friendship, family, happiness, and all things money can't buy!!!"
I remember reading a piece on Scott Adams about a month or two before the animated Dilbert series started airing. IIRC, they had a shot of the packaging mock-up and had a bit from Adams on it. Anyone else remember this? Mmmmmm.... PHB. Pointy-Haired-Burrito.
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Am I the only one who thinks Microsoft is a misnomer? Perhaps Macrosoft would be a better fit?
Dilberitos are a good start, for those of us not morally opposed to other people's ideas.
Set up a banner ad on /. and allow your uber-geeks to order them right off the internet with home delivery (Preferably in the dead of night.) One less reason to go into the big blue room! Oh yeah!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
I suppose they might be ok to taste, but ick, those are the nastiest looking foodstuffs I've seen in a long time.
thanks, but I'll stick to pizza, beer, and flintstones chewable vitamins to get all my required vitamins and minerals.
The real question is how much work do you have to put into one of these things to cook it.
I used to live on hot dogs and frozen burritos because of the unattended cooking features, i.e. open the end of the packaged and fire it into the microwave frozen and walk away.
Also, does it get real gross if you cook it twice? There has been more than one time I forgot I was going to eat, only to find a burrito at room temp in the microwave.
I would be all over these things if there was no cooking effort involved. I don't want to rotate things after 2 minutes, I don't want to thaw things, I don't want a huge mess if I walk away from it. I want this thing to cook right with minimal effort.
Lou
What kind of freak would argue about some chemical that just happens to come from dairy products??? "OH MY GOD! THEY ENSLAVE COWS AND FORCE THEM TO PRODUCE CHEESE FOR HUMANS!" The best way for a cow to be is cut up and cooked in my oven... mmmmmmmm.
A snack food that tastes great, but has absolutely NO nutritional effect good or bad. So you can eat as much as you want, and you won't gain weight (or have other bad health stuff). The perfect hacker snack, at least for me, anyway.
Opinionated Law Student Strikes Again!
If price is a factor then sphagetti or pasta is available for slightly more. It takes about the same time and tastes a lot better.
Ramen's price is definitely it's biggest benefit. I usually buy mine in packages of twenty for about two dollars. Spaghetti was never this cheap. Also, making spaghetti in a microwave is impossible -- simply too much boiling water is needed. Two cups of water in a Pyrex measuring cup for about two minutes usually does the trick for superheated pseudo-boiling water in my microwave (your mileage may vary.) And I personally think chicken ramen soup tastes pretty good, kinda like Campbell's with a twist.
As for pizza, my freezer's usually stocked with Papa John's leftovers or Bagel Bites. (Unfortunately, the latter are pretty expensive by ramen standards, costing about $2.50 per package, which for all intents and purposes constitutes one serving.)
Sure, steaks and cookies are great for dinner parties, but while studying the night before a midterm or for a quick midnight snack, cold pizza or a bowl of ramen generally holds me over until I can get my hands on real food.
There should be a Surgeon General's warning on those packages, though -- as a result of the "flash-frying" process used to preserve the noodles, a package of ramen usually makes up about 40% of your RDA of saturated fat. Mmmm...
enmity.
'For want of a [microwaveable steak], the whole kingdom was lost.'
This thing has one serious bug that prevents it from beating Ramen: it costs real money. Ramen costs what, $0.25 or less (except from 7-11) which makes it perfect for college/grad student geeks who only have a few cents for a meal. This thing must cost a buck or more. Now that is what is going to prevent this thing from actually ever beating (or coming nearly as popular as) Ramen. And it requires refridgeration/freezing which stops people from hoarding a flat of Ramen on the floor of their dorm room. No, Ramen is quite safe.
... is a 24 oz. new york strip steak (or filet mignon), a perfect baked potato with sour cream & chives, corn on the cob (or creamed), home fries, mashed potatoes, beef-kabob... sigh... I hate college.
Finally, a subject I can offer an "expert" opinion on!
I myself have kidney stones, actually I just passed on with another on its way. They're more painful than childbirth or a gunshot wound.
Anyway, vitamin C is one of the contributing factors of most kidney stones. And I consume only slightly more than the US RDA. Of course I do have a slight genetic predisposition, but trust me, too much vitamin C is a _bad_ thing.
Excuse me now, I've got a stone to pass...
*YEOWWWWW!!!!*
If I could only live my life with my threshold at 4...
Uh yeah like STEAK.
Acutally this was mostly a joke, don't take it as a personal attack, i can respect your beliefs as long as you respect my love for a breakfast of sausage, bacon, eggs, and milk.
This would, of course, lead to capitalist-pig spin-offs such as "Programmer Chow", "Web Developer Chow" and, of course, pterry's MEALS.
It does say "Meatless" right on the box.
I had never had DMD before, and I saw a bottle lying on the counter. Not only was it DMD, but it was hot and flat...it was the first drink I've ever spit out, and I spit it out as fast as possible...didn't even turn my head 30 degrees to the sink, I spit it out all over the counter and floor, with some going back in the bottle, and some over the toaster oven....
I drink stale, hot normal Mountain Dew all the time, but if I only had hot, stale DMD in the desert, I would cool myself by pouring it over my body, begin sure to keep my mouth shut.
-David T. C.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
This is about the last portion of the comment.
I'm probably an example of a coder who isn't dieting, but still weighs too little; you have no idea how many girls have told me they wish they had my hourglass figure. I figure there's something wrong in my stomach/brain/connection to my brain, as I never quite seem to eat as much as I should. I've got a feeling I'm going to be subsisting on this "Dilberito" thing in college. 'Course, since it doesn't have 100% of -everything-, I might have to eat two a day. Joy.
Just because you troll using clear coherent sentences doesn't make it okay.
we asked you to leave nicely..
Did you notice it?
its because articles like this suck
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Way back when I was in college, the big rage was Kraft Macaroni and Cheese. Buy like 5 boxes for 1-2 dollars and you were good to go!
:)
I grew up on macaroni and cheese. One of the first things I did when I came home after my first night back for winter break was make myself a box of the stuff and sit down and watch Army of Darkness (but that's another obsession for another time.) The problem with macaroni and cheese when living by one's self in a dorm (especially a single like mine) is milk. First, microwaved M&C (made with water and a cheese sauce that includes dehydrated milk) sucks, and the community kitchenware is always kinda sketchy. Also, I don't drink enough milk while I'm in my room to warrant stocking it in my fridge, and usually when I get a craving for food while I'm in my room it's too late (or too much of a hassle) to run out and buy a pint of milk to I can make macaroni. And milk is expensive! The relatively inexpensive macaroni (like eighty cents a box) is offset somewhat by the three or four dollars for milk, most of which I usually end up throwing away a week later. So, sadly, I turned to ramen. Granted, ramen is good stuff, but I still can't wait until spring break
enmity.
the cheesiest.
First, price. Since the burritos are relavitevly costly, I can't imagine them being any more expensive than vitamins.
Second, preparation. You need a microwave or some sort of oven for the burritos. All you need for a vitamin is a glass of water (or, maybe not even that, if you're brave enough to swallow one without any help).
Third, taste. Vitamins don't taste bad. If you get Flintstones vitamins, they taste good. With the burritos you have to deal with frozen vegetables and all sorts of weird pastes.
Fourth, opportunity costs. After eating a burrito, chances are you're going to be at least relatively full and you'll have to forego eating some good-tasting food. If you take a vitamin, however, you can still eat yummy food. And you get all your nutrients.
Now you're geting 100% of some vitamins and minerals. Complete balanced nutrition. And the extra sugar for those late night kernel tweakings. (Finally got 2.2.13 with the intl patch and all crypto going!).
Following the zone diet involves geeky calulations and measuring of things. Your kitchen becomes a lab. Barry Sears encourages people to think of food as a psychoactive drug. How much more geeky can you get?
The Dilberito is too high in carbs, too low in protien and the protien is does have is locked in a fiber matrix, making it hard to absorb. It's weird because in the same "Dilbert Future" paragraph that Adams talks about the then-hypothetical food, he also mentions the Zone. I was disappointed to see that the Dilberito is not "Zone Friendly" particularly because it's so difficult for vegitarians to get the protien requirements needed to adhere to the Zone diet.
I've got a friend of mine here at the office who gets around that problem by substituting the milk or water for.... =drum roll= non-dairy creamer! =shudder= Yes, he just nukes everything with a mixture of non-dairy creamer (commonly available in almost all offices and community dorms) and water. You know what the weird part is? It actually tastes pretty good. I mean, if you think about it, that's almost identical to those little cheese sauce packets, right?
Now THAT'S geek ingenuity!
xENTROPYx
the non-dairy creamiest
Subject says it all. (Nearly)
What the hell is the point making something so *almost* healthy, and then ruining it with salt? I appreciate the attempt at vegetarianism, but this isn't quite what I was hoping for.
Of course, I can't prove that because the slashdot search now only goes back to October. Why is this? That seems pretty broken to me, what if I want to look up an older article. (Which I did today to prove that this article has been on slashdot before.) The food sounded horrible a year ago, and I think a year of non-sales prove it did suck. Can we please fix the search engine though, I thought slashdot was going to archive a little, hard drive space is cheap when you're working for a company like Andover....
What you *really* oughta try is AFRI-COLA. Yes, it's real (but hard to find, made in S. Africa I believe) , and yes, it amps you way more than Jolt.
Yes yes, this sounds like a good idea and all. Tons of things are already out there like this, and if Scott Adams wants to throw his chips on the pile, so be it. I don't think it's proper to get all excited about the 100% USRDA stuff, though. If you just get 100%, that's fine, it's the amount that has been found to be enough to keep you up to par. However, it's been shown that more of certain things are better, and better your health, energy, attentiveness, mental acuity, etc. It's also been shown that less amounts of certain things are beneficial as well. I don't remember the exact specifics of the studies, but having 200% of your Vitamin B-12 is better than having 100% .. and having 75% of your sodium is better than having 100%
I'm fairly unique, in that I'm a huge fan of both Calvin _and_ Dilbert.
I think I can safely argue that Calvin & Hobbes achieved the status of a "work of art," in that we'll still be enjoying Bill Watterson's work twenty, fifty, a hundred years from now. But the degree to which Watterson thumped his anti-consumer Bible was often just plain absurd. Self-righteous indignation isn't good for art... any art. It's to Watterson's credit that he retired before his encroaching cynicism took over the strip entirely.
Adams occupies the other end of the spectrum entirely. His sense of capitalistic excess is a good antidote to Watterson's pretentiousness. Sure, Adams' incessant self-promotion gets on your nerves, but that's a feature, not a bug. He isn't creating any sort of enduring art and he knows it, but he'll be damned if he isn't going to milk the Dilbert franchise for every penny he can squeeze out of it.
Adams and Watterson are ideological bookends. They opened up space on the shelf for a much wider, healthier variety of cartoons than we ever enjoyed before they came along, and we owe them both big-time, IMHO.
Dahlmann tightly grips the knife, which he may have no idea how to use, and steps out into the plain.
Look here for a good laugh
Uhh... troll?
How is that a troll?
Americans, please tell me what "non-dairy" means? On the TV sometimes I see people adding somthing called "Non-Dairy Creamer" to coffee.
... maybe in your market the words "non-dairy" conjure emotions of healthy living and nutritious food. Personally, I can think of nothing more horrifying than eating non-dairy cheese - and perhaps nothing more unhealthy. It kinda smacks of those urban myths about using soy and peanuts in McDonalds hamburgers. Immediate reaction is "that would taste like a plastic bag".
:)
I can't possibly convey to you how un-appetising that sounds! How could somthing be a "creamer" and "non-dairy"? Is it soy, or totally artificial?
Or is it just marketing
And IMHO, calling somthing a "creamer" rather than "cream" sounds all the more insidious
Australian dairy-creamer user.
... but it still isn't what Homo Sapiens evolved to live on. As an omnivore, I don't mind fake meat once in awhile, but I certainly can't see a logical basis for using it as an exclusive substitute for real animal products.
Them's parts, not fuel. How often do you buy new
sprockets, fans, seats, and plastic widgets for your car? Almost never, eh?
The Beef Industry's a bigger FUD-maker than them all.
Tho, the carbs and fiber are a bit low, also. You're right, in some respect.
That means if you don't like Slashdot, go lease a T1, download the Slash code, and knock yourself out trying to build something better.
If all you're going to do is complain without contributing anything positive, fsck off.
It looks great. Food that's easy, healthy, and (presumably, I haven't had one yet) tastes good. But it's not gonna supplant ramen noodles -- if you actually look at the pricing, it's $2.59 a pop. You could eat ramen noodles for a week with that much money ;-)
:-)
So it may become popular with people who have actual jobs, but I don't see it catching on too much with broke college students
David
Some people have strong senses of ethics. Strong enough, in fact, that they're willing to think about what they're doing, even when they're doing something popular. Those people are called vegans. And yes, it bothers us that animals suffer, and we do what we can to make that not happen any more.
Why doesn't suffering bother you? Why don't you do anything about it?
-jacob
Why do we need the Dilberito? by Ukab the Great
Recently, a group of norweigan teenage hackers successfully reverse engineered the Taco Bell Burrito Supreme. Upon hearing that the formula for the Burrito Supreme was reverse engineered, Taco Bell representitive Che Chihuahua had Norweigan police arrest the hackers and charge them with theft of trade secrets. Not to be initimidated, hundreds of brave hackers posted on their websites the instructions on how to make a Burrito Supreme, technically known as DeGaSS. In a tactic Castro himself would be proud of, Che, along with MPAA president Jack Valenti, sued a number of web sites, such as 2600 and Slashdot.org, arguing that posting of the DeGaSS amounted to nothing more theft of a trade secret whose only purpose is to steal the intellectual property of Taco Bell. "That's completely ridiculous" said Eric Corley, otherwise known as Emmanuel Goldstein, editor of hacker magazine "2600". "The reverse engineering DeGaSS is about a search for knowledge, not a way to have free, do it yourself burritos." Richard Stallman, head of the the Free Software Foundation and creator of GNachos (Open Recipe nachos) has a different opinion. "You must be able to publish a version of the burrito, so you can share your improvements with other people who can also benefit from it and build on it further". To get around the copyright restrictions of the Burrito Supreme, Scott Adams devised the Dilberito, the first Open Recipe burrito. As true to the Open Recipe movement, all the ingrediants of the Dilberito are published on the web site (dilberito.com). This is in stark contrast to the ingrediants of the Burrito Supreme which, like all Taco Bell food, no one knows what the hell they're made of (though extensive testing has turned up llama DNA and fragments of martian meterorite). As usual with Open Recipe food, the Dilberito provides greater gastro-intestinal stability than that of the closed-recipe Burrito Supreme, as well greater nutritional value. The Open Recipe Dilberito can be easily modified, so it now comes in several distributions, such as Mexican, Indian, and garlic and herb.
In theory this is a good idea, but there aren't enough calories. I probably eat about 3000 a day, so I'd need to eat many, many of these to make up for the usual, pasta. Some of us work out, Scott..
A few more hints for taking care of your primates. Be sure it's the old-world monkey formula and suppliment it with fresh fruit and other treats- not too many treats, or they won't want to eat the chow. Remember that if there is little or no sunlight exposure, give extra vitamin D.
Everyone knows that the only true perfect geek foods are Jolt Cola and Sushi. A perfect Saturday night is getting a 6-pack of Jolt, some badass AFC Sushi, and sitting back in front of a terminal doing some coding and IRC.
Anyone for cartoon food tie-ins?
I'm pretty sure there are Simpsons inspired foodstuffs like 'Krusty Kola (90% Safe!)', but how about others?
As suggested earlier, Bachelor Chow (Now with Flavour!) would be an ideal staple foodstuff for nerds, geeks and similar; Duff Beer, LoBrau and Olde Fortran superb for drowning ones sorrows; Slurm might become the cola replacement for the 2000s. The merchandising possibilities are astounding.
Mmmm... Soylent Cola...
Ford Prefect
Tedious Bloggy Stuff - hooray?
So sorry. They're expensive, protein-deficient, and have a strong emphasis on tasting good. If I want "body fuel" I'll steer clear of these.
I always mod up spelling trolls.
Think about it. If he were to have refrained from using the name "Dilberitos" and just called them "Scott Adams' Healthy Burritos" (or something along those lines), it seems likely that his primary response would be from people who already consume health food. People who aren't inclined to eat health food probably wouldn't try them. His product would become, basically, a "me-too" product, and would probably wind up losing out in the end to other, more popular or established brands. (Competition in the food business is murder, margins are generally low, and brand recognition is extremely important.)
On the other hand, most people in the United States have undoubtedly heard of Dilbert, via the comic strip, books, TV show, Web site, T-shirts, coffee mugs, you name it. The "Dilbert" brand, in the case of Dilberitos, is being used as a "hook" (to put it in entertainment industry terms). Seeing the name "Dilbert" on a food product might make some people more inclined to buy it, regardless of the fact that it's a healthy food...and if enough people buy and consume Dilberitos who might not have bought and consumed healthy foods otherwise, then Adams has achieved his goal, and his marketing strategy is vindicated thereby.
And, if people keep buying Dilberitos, Scott Adams makes money. As others in this thread have pointed out, this is not a bad thing. (At the risk of diverging from the topic at hand, I might note that, proverbially, it is "the love of money," not "money" itself, that is considered "the root of all evil." Money itself is a morally neutral tool, which may be used for either good or evil purposes.) And, if people don't buy Dilberitos, he doesn't make money, and he runs the risk of damaging the "Dilbert brand" and causing a backlash among Dilbert's hardcore fans. The point is, Adams believes strongly enough in this idea that he is willing to back it with, not only his own money, but the strength of the "Dilbert" brand, and I for one applaud the courage of his convictions.
Eric
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"Free your code...and the rest will follow."
Be who you are...and be it in style!
You need to learn how to understand posts. Who would want a burrito with %100 USRDA of Fat? Or cholesterol? Think about it: If the burrito (or Total cereal, for that matter) really had %100 of the USRDA of everything, it would weigh several pounds!
I grew up on macaroni and cheese.
:)
Me too...
One of the first things I did when I came home after my first night back for winter break was make myself a box of the stuff
The orange kind, I hope... hee hee.
and sit down and watch Army of Darkness (but that's another obsession for another time.)
I used to watch Remington Steele on Fridays and A-Team on Tuesdays and Cheers on Thursdays and... hee hee.
The problem with macaroni and cheese when living by one's self in a dorm (especially a single like mine) is milk.
Yeah...   I can't for the life of me (it's been almost 20 years) figure out what we used to do...   I know there were times when we were desperate and just used water, but we might have had a vending machine nearby to get pints...   Sometimes we'd grab some from the dining commons (Massachusetts-speak for dining hall... hee hee) to store for over the weekend.
Also, I don't drink enough milk while I'm in my room to warrant stocking it in my fridge, and usually when I get a craving for food while I'm in my room it's too late (or too much of a hassle) to run out and buy a pint of milk to I can make macaroni.
Ain't it the truth!   More often than not, we could bum some (it doesn't take much - maybe a quarter cup).   BUT...   butter for it was a little trickier to get!
So, sadly, I turned to ramen. Granted, ramen is good stuff, but I still can't wait until spring break
Yeah, ramen today is ALOT cheaper than what we had available - the thing that started it all... Oodles of Noodles!   My mom bought like 2 cases of ramen beef flavored for Y2K.... hee hee.
Don't forget that Quaker Oats instant oatmeal is pretty cool and fast to make too...   The maple syrup kind is yummy!
-- Win2k: "It's not so much that it's only 65,000 bugs, it's just that they stopped at 65,535 to prevent an overflow."
Eric
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"Free your code...and the rest will follow."
Be who you are...and be it in style!
I've got a friend of mine here at the office who gets around that problem by substituting the milk or water for.... =drum roll= non-dairy creamer! =shudder=
Yuck!   But you know what you could use?   Condensed milk.   You can buy a can of that and it'll last forever.   Just add some water to a little bit of it and you're good to go...   hee hee.
-- Win2k: "It's not so much that it's only 65,000 bugs, it's just that they stopped at 65,535 to prevent an overflow."
- A.P.
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"One World, one Web, one Program" - Microsoft promotional ad
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
This is something I never understood about vegans. I can understand saying "I don't eat meat because it's disgusting/it's cruel to animals". I don't understand the "please, can you go check if this may have been cooked in pan that had ever been used to cook meat?" paranoia. Could someone explain to me why vegans have a religious aversion to animals products? That is, why do they feel compelled to check so thoroughly that something doesn't have meat in it?
Also, what's with the refined sugar thing? Is it true that vegans don't eat it because they think it involves animal products?
Any vegans out there who can enlighten?
--Kevin
...i mean, if something is going to have 100% of the daily needed vitamins and stuff, if you pig out and eat 3 a day (breakfast, lunch, and dinner) because they taste good, then you get 300% of your daily needed vitamins. I mean, i know not all of it would get absorbed, but until someone makes a meal that will fill you up for the day while still giving you all the vitamins and nutriants you need, then i'm just going to dismiss it as a fad...
;-)
ok... your turn... flame away
-confidential
...who was probably all upset because their beef-flavored tofu didn't taste like real hamburgers.
Now you're geting 100% of some vitamins and minerals. Complete balanced nutrition. And the extra sugar for those late night kernel tweakings.
Awww man...   You just hit my soft spot!   Cap'n Crunch has ALWAYS been my favorite cereal since I was little (and we're talking early 60s)!
But if you want to talk about 100% of your daily vitamins, there was a cereal back in the 70s called "King Vitamin" ("breakfast for a king"), which was supposed to be one of those sugary sweet (ie., bad for you) cereals that tried to counter the sugar with like a rock-load (literally) of vitamins.   You could actually smell and taste the damn iron and whatever else they put in it (like drinking the 'ole "beef, iron, and wine" Geritol).   I mean, you'd crunch that stuff and hit metal!
Those were the days...
-- Win2k: "It's not so much that it's only 65,000 bugs, it's just that they stopped at 65,535 to prevent an overflow."
But this doesn't mean we can simply eliminate one important ingredient from our diet indefinitely without any ill effects. We *need* animal products, for calcium, proteins, and some enzymes. Sure, we can get those from vegetal products too, but our bodies aren't optimized for a vegetarian diet. In the long run, we will have health problems if we don't consume any animal products.
Animal products do have unhealthy components in them, so we should not abuse them. Balance is the key. If you are serious about not consuming *anything* at all that has deleterious side effects, you should learn to live without oxygen. It's the presence of oxygen in the body that creates the free radicals that are among the more important causes of aging.
I have a friend who had a strictly vegan diet, "scientifically" balanced, for twenty years. One day, her shoe got stuck in a crack in the pavement and she broke her leg. She was two months in bed, and has needed crutches for walking since then, over six months ago. A healthy carnivore person would get a slightly sore ankle from the same stumble. It's all a matter of not having the right enzymes to digest calcium. If you consume large amounts of calcium from vegetable sources, all you will get from that are gallstones. There are some enzymes the human body needs to digest calcium that can't be found in any vegetable food.
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Actually, the cereal you're thinking of was called "King Vitaman." I vaguely remember that being available when I was a kid, but I never had the pleasure(?) of trying it.
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"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
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When I was a kid, I couldn't eat anything with protein in it...except steak and chicken. Weird, huh? The critters' immune systems nullified whatever it was that I was allergic to in the soy or whatever they fed them. Now it's mostly habit.
I know what they do to those animals, and I read Peter Singer's books, too. His arguments about reducing suffering by torturing/killing fewer animals hold very well when you talk about fur or glue or whatnot, but the plain fact is human beings are designed to eat both vegetables and animals.
Meat contains certain nutrients in concentrations higher than you'll find elsewhere, and if your genetic makeup expects those nutrients you'd damn well better eat it. My sister's still on iron pills from the time she tried to go vegan.
The point here is that your oversimplification of our civilization's mass-consumption of animals into "they suffer, so don't do it" is an emotional appeal that's unfair to the complexity of the issue and the principles of public debate. Your suggestion that the truth of the ethics of that particular issue have been predetermined is in itself an ethical violation of the worst sort.
Oh yeah, I think you meant UNpopular.
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Taco Bell caught the market when "value" was popular among fast food restaurants. Hence the $.49/.69/.89 menu. People wanted low prices above most everything else. Now the emphasis in fast food is on big portions. Hence the extra-extra-large "value meal" at McDonalds's and the "grande meal" at Taco Bell. People would rather spend more and get more food than they can consume-- or should.
But, I'm not sure if the Dilberito is being introduced at the right time. I think that vegetarianism (though always popular) was more the public's eye about 5 years ago. Just 2 years ago or so the trend was for "comfort food". I think that the latest trend continues to be a mixture of comfort and family-style dinner foods that you pick up at the market and reheat at home. People desire the illusion that they are "cooking" when, of course, they are not.
Perhaps Scott Adams should catch this trend by producing a "Dilberito Kit" where you construct your own dilberitos at home. Just add textured vegetable protein!
Ben
> Both in Boston (where I live) and Forida
> (where I used to live) Taco Bell had to
> make their stuff cheap so people will buy
> it. Back in high school I could buy like
> fifteen tacos for six or seven dollars,
> which made them quite a bit cheaper than
> everything else around. Now that everyone's
> hooked on the heroin they put in there their
> prices are similar to McD's.
...are tied to local markets to the point where I think we're talking apples and oranges (no pun). Here even your standard fast food is like 7 bucks a meal (sandwich, fries, drink), so four for Taco Hell (3 tacos, nachos, drink) was a godsend. I say was because they're prices are nickel-and-diming up to the same rate as the other guys.
Jason
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Do you have a url for MetRx bars? I'm really looking at simplifying my diet.. these dilbert things would rock, but the prepartion and size is a problem..
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This is a shame...   I actually got off my duff, went into the kitchen, and pulled out my "MET-Rx Extreme Chocolate Total Nutrition Mix" pack.  
The URL is http://www.met-rx.com.   I just checked it and the site is there.
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By far the best cereal was "Halfsies". In the early 80s (83) I actually won something out of the box.
A fullsize Sega Star Trek arcade machine.
It came with a vector graphics monitor, and digitized spock voice. It was shipped to us broken, my dad managed to get it working again. Man, that was really a hit at my 8th birthday party!!!!
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What you have said is incorrect (so much bullshit if this were RANT mode
Visit my page of vegetarian resources and read Realities if you wish to learn something
that has not been influenced by the Beef, Egg, and Dairy Council as it seems your current information has been.
To address your claims regarding calcium, a diet consisting of animal protien will cause calcium to be extracted from a person's bones to assist in digestion of the highly concentrated protein. Green cruciferous vegetables contain far more calcium than can ever be obtained from cow milk. Do some research for Chrissakes before you come off sounding like an idiot!
Thank you for your time.
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Wait! Are you telling me Capt'n Crunch is *not* geeky? Corn Puffs is not geeky? Lucky Charms is not geeky?
Oh man, I remember my college days. The only thing I could do in the late afternoon after rolling out of bed was to eat a bowl of one of the abovementioned cereals.
Granted, Total is very non-geek. But hey... what could be more geeky than a quick to prepare sugar-laden breakfast food?
Try keeping a bag of unsalted prezels and a jar of peanut butter at your desk while you work, and learn to munch without thinking about it. Get in the habit of eating three hearty squares per day (or three light meals plus three substantial snacks, if you don't like stuffing yourself), whether you feel like it or not.
If you take a little exercise, too, you'll put on pure muscle, not fat. Two or three times a week, deadlift (that's just grabbing a barbell that's on the floor - keep your back straight and lift with your hips! - and standing up while holding it) with as much weight as you can manage for twenty repetitions (start with the bare bar and add five pounds each time until you can't finish the 20), do as many pushups as you can, then do as many sit-ups as you can. It'll take about 10 minutes each time, and you won't believe the difference it makes in the way you feel (after six months or so, you'll want to balance the program out with some chin-ups and overhead barbell presses and such to keep your body balanced, but keep it simple when you're starting out).
If you don't have easy access to weights, you can do just fine with floor exercises, though you have to learn a bit of technique. The exercises described here are really top notch, though you can get by with the simple exercises you learned in grade school. I would, however, recommend getting a length of bungee cord and doing "pull the bow" and "draw the sword" exercises with it, to balance out the muscles in your shoulders and upper back (watch that you don't snap yourself in the face with it though; goggles are a good idea).
Actually IIRC a stricly vegan meal does lack a handful of things that your body needs.. Also, IIRC that would be solved by getting those trace-amounts of stuff into your diet by either eating a small amount of animal product once a month or by taking the stuff in chemically synthesized form, i.e. pills..
Dunno what the things that lacked were.. I remember them being entirely unspectacular.. Some amino-acids or other..
Can any-one back this up?
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You are intentionally bitching here in the forum.
Are you so stupid as to think posting here will affect any of the editors?
You must be stupid and gay.
If you do not like something about slashdot you should email them.
Do not post your drivel in here for us to read.
Nobody cares about you.
Nobody important reads these comments.
The only people reading them are people who hate you.
You are not making them like you any more with these comments.
Try emailing malda@slashdot.org or robin.miller@andover.net with your complaints.
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If you do I will have to continue writing poetry.
I am not really a poet but you are forcing me to be with your crappy writing style.
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Gods, and I thought that I was cynical.
If he was just out to make money, probably the last ingredient he would use would be a vegan cheese-substitute. It would probably be a damn sight easier (& cheaper) to use normal cheese - lots of cheese is made with vegetarian rennet, so using veggie cheese wouldn't have been a problem. But these things are deliberately vegan - not something that's normally a money-making strategy. If he was just trying to rake in the cash, they'd probably simply be junk food, without the vitamins & other (supposedly) healthy stuff.
If they sell 'em in the UK, I'll try 'em. They sound & look pretty good.
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Similar to the previous question, I'm wondering why are so many people so proud of the fact that they're unhealthy and out of shape, and why are they so hostile to those who aren't? Jealousy? Or what?
Let's not forget the lactose-intolerant among us. I think this is one of the reasons sorbet has become so popular. Even B&J and Haagen Daaz make sorbet. Scott, it's Dilbert's turn now. Forget the burritos, this will make a lot more money. Just ask Dogbert.
Dude, no way. By far the best cereal was "Halfsies".
But Cap'n Crunch had/has all those spin-offs - like my MOST favorite - Peanut Butter Crunch!
Hell... any of those cereals are the ultimate geek food - just munch 'em right out the box!
In the early 80s (83) I actually won something out of the box. A fullsize Sega Star Trek arcade machine. It came with a vector graphics monitor, and digitized spock voice. It was shipped to us broken, my dad managed to get it working again. Man, that was really a hit at my 8th birthday party!!!!
Now that IS cool!   I'm jealous.   If you still had that thing, it'd be worth a pretty penny on the collector's market.
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I think the reason people dislike vegetarians/vegans is because most of them are like religious nuts... always trying to get everybody to convert. The one vegan person I know is very nice, though I don't see how she can put up with it. I sit down to lunch with a bowl of soup and a hotdog, she sits down with unbuttered white toast. I personally couldnt live like that.
On the other note, I'm 6', 23x lbs. I don't rock climb or really do any kind of activity except ride my bike around. If I said I was happy with my body I'd be lying, but to deny myself the pleasure of a thick juicy steak seems more wrong than being fat.
I don't know how many calories I eat per day, but I would guess it's way less than 3k. I usually eat one meal per day... yesterday my meal was a chicken sandwich. Today my meal was a chicken cheesesteak and a bowl of salad. Oh, and I had 2.5 ounces of beef jerky. mmmm... jerky...
I live on the fourth floor of my building and have no problem running up and down them repeatedly (though by the third time (up and down to go do laundry) I get pretty winded).
I do not like mushrooms. I can't remember the last time I ever ate a mushroom, or what they taste like. I do not like them because they are neither plant nor animal nor mineral, and that is just wrong. I have never eaten escargot or monkey brains, but I can tell you right now that I don't like them. You may say this is shortsighted and/or narrowminded, but this is how the vast majority of people are.
And then this quote from the Dilberito site: Adams and Parker plan to redefine what people expect from food, raising the bar for the rest of the food industry, and contributing to the health of the world. They plan to make money, too.
This is sooo american.. yuck! (Apologies to the few americans who know better)
Actually, the cereal you're thinking of was called "King Vitaman."
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Yeah, I think you're right.   Too much flying around in my brain to recall it accurately.   I still remember that song on the commercial though...   How hokey.
I never had the pleasure(?) of trying it.
Count your blessings.   At least you don't have to walk around wondering why pieces of metal are flying through the air attaching to your body and compasses go haywire when you go near them...  
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I think most of the people who have responded negatively to the veggie Dilberito don't understand that Scott Adams really does know who he's marketing to. It make not be the supergeeks on Slashdot, who code for free and don't make much money. He's marketing to the affluent Yuppie generation out there. Have you notice how many supermarkets in the '90 greatly improved there vegetable produce departments to cater to this affluent crowd. In many cases offering better veggie produce forced stores that specialized in health products and fresh produce to go out of business. But there is a market.
Also, let's not forget religious groups out there like the Seven-Day Adventists. They even have markets where they sell these imitation meats.
I recently dined at an up-scale vegetarian chinese restaurant. They served me mock duck. Although, it didn't taste like the real thing. It was absolutely delicious! You just need a talented and creative cook.
Don't forget that Quaker Oats instant oatmeal is pretty cool and fast to make too... The maple syrup kind is yummy!
It would be if they didn't *salt* it! I mean, really, who in the hell thought of sweet, maply (is that a word?) oatmeal with salt?
Broke my heart, it did.
1 equally sized burrito + 1 centrum pill?
(other than the extra marketing flavor)
Besides, I am a bit suspicious (read: I prefer to avoid them if at all possible) of the following ingredients:
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I like drinking either soy milk or rice milk. They are truly non-dairy. You can get them in a lot of flavors. And, for many us out there who are lactose intolerant it's something that we can easily digest with our cream of wheat.
Go soy, go!
It is a precursor of serotonin, a neurotransmitter whose unbalance may cause you to fall into uncontrollable rants from time to time...
I said: If you consume large amounts of calcium from vegetable sources, all you will get from that are gallstones.
You said: Green cruciferous vegetables contain far more calcium than can ever be obtained from cow milk.
At least, in this point you don't seem to disagree with me. We both said that one *CAN* get large amounts of calcium from vegetable sources.
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I remember the book, and what he was talking about wasn't a snack with synthetic vitamins mixed in, but a one-stop solution for healthy eating, for the lazy geek who doesn't care too much about variety in his food.
There isn't enough protein, and too many of the calories are from carbohydrates. You can't just eat three of these things per day and have an ideal diet, which was the idea (would it even be safe, with 100% of the recommended intake of so many nutrients?). You have to eat other foods in appropriate quantities.
This doesn't really simplify anything, unless you think multivitamin pills are too complicated.
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Whether it's classic kraft orange, or something nifty like Annie's Alfredo (a personal favorite), I use the prescribed amount of butter and substitute sour cream for milk. It's richer and more hearty, and also sour cream has less lactose than skim milk (sounds nuts, but think about it, lactose is a sugar). So mac and cheese made with sour cream is less likely to act like a pipe bomb in your digestion if you are lactose intolerant! :)
sick is right. I had a look at the ingredients list. broccoli is #1!
Interstingly enough, when I told a colleague about the Dilberito, he pointed this out from Scott Adams' "The Dilbert Future":
"Prediction 60 - In the future, you will not need a supercomputer and a team of scientists to get good nutrition."
and in the details he describes a "burrito-like meal that is engineered as scientifically as a can of motor oil", not a REAL burrito!!!
"If someone doesn't build this burrito thing (or maybe it's a souplike thing), then I'll build it myself".
He must have had an inkling back in 1998...
The main reason is that the first response most people have when they don't know what they're talking about is to feel threatened and vent their anger. We all know that Slashdot offers us a great medium for venting anger and frustration at Microsoft, even though it may be totally unjustifiable.
Male geeks are feel highly threatened by female geeks. Like male soldiers used to feel about females entering the military and their training academies. Once some acculturation takes place omnivores, meat-eaters, vegetarians, and vegans, Linux users, and Microsoft users, will one day be able to live side by side, in total harmony. For now we'll just have to grin and bear it.
It would be if they didn't *salt* it! I mean, really, who in the hell thought of sweet, maply (is that a word?) oatmeal with salt?
Hee hee hee...   Seems everything with Oatmeal is salty - even Oatmeal cookies...   You always get that salty after taste.
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See? See? This is the kind of loony ranting that gives vegetarians their bad reputation in the first place. I should go read a publication from a group called "EarthSave"...? That's like telling me I should get my education about the goverment from a publication from a group called "The Minnesota Mountain Militia Men".
Granted it's not easy to live on a vegan diet, but it is possible. It takes time to prepare meals and make sure that you get all of the stuff you need. If someone is willing to make these sacrifices, there's no reason they can't live a healthy life.
I have been vegan for two years and I still perform all of the physical activity that I used to. I haven't slowed down, at least from I can tell (measured by comparing my performance with my meat-eating friends). I really do think it's possible that you can be a vegan and maintain proper fitness, stamina, and strength. As some proof to that, the only 5-time winner of the Ironman Triathalon (or at least he was the only 5-time winner when I first heard about this 2 years ago), Dave Scott, is vegan. I think it takes some stamina and strength to swim 2 miles, run 26+ miles, and bike however-the-hell-far-they-bike miles. I realize that this is only one example, but it's a pretty high-profile one. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who could serve as examples, but aren't as well known.
I'd write more, but I have to go have supper. I think tonight I'll have some vegan burgers and some peas.
Frogs are primitive animals - so the occasional extra toe is not that unusual. But this is very unusual.
I admit that maybe my view of vegans is somewhat skewed, mostly by the media. For example, the thing on 20/20 or 60 minutes regarding straightedge portrayed them as militant vegans (!). The girl I know says she is part of Straightedge, and she seems pretty normal. I have seen people in arguments over vegetarianism where the vegetarian is trying to convert the other one.
Anyway, regarding the calzone/veggie burrito thing, I don't think people are saying that they hate veggie burritos, I think they are saying that these Dilburritos look disgusting. I don't think your example with the restaurant really applies here at all.
For instance, I treat the humble taco like this- I'll fuss around for an hour dicing tomatoes and shredding cheese and ripping lettuce into neat little pieces and cooking a beef filling based on the way they used to make the Old El Paso mix (which was _ruined_ in recent years- gah!) from scratch or semi-scratch. Or I'll make a stirfry curry chicken dish that involves breading chicken slices and some peanuts with straight curry powder and making rice and presoaking raisins to mix with the rice, all to be mixed with mango chutney. There aren't a huge number of recipes, but the common factor is: they taste good, and take maybe an hour or more to prepare. Which is _normal_ for really posh food when you have to dice fresh tomatoes or cut fresh gourmet Bell and Evans organic chicken breast into stirfry slices and bread them each individually in a big bowl of curry powder.
Therefore, this explains why I will also be found eating Ramen (after my Dad took me out to a noodle restaraunt- before that, I wouldn't touch Ramen, but that's when I discovered oriental noodles had an interesting style all their own), or freezer burritos (my attempts at making my own gourmet freezer burritos have not really measured up to _cheap_ freezer burritos- some things are meant to be cheap, not posh), or mac and cheese (which I will put sour cream and nice butter into, tho) or even eating raw spaghettios out of the can (the _serious_ don't-distract-me-with-meatspace dinner).
I like the idea that I epitomize _both_ extremes ;)
Anybody know the nutritional content of Spam?
* Regarding these snacks:
two of them seem to be vegan, two of them are not (since like somebody noticed above, they contain caseinate which is a milk byproduct).
* Regarding sugar:
Besides the fact that a significant percentage of sugar processing plant use bone char to whiten the sugar (an inherently non-vegan process) even non vegans should really really read this book:
Sugar Blues
this will explain a lot why many people are finally saying 'no' to more or less poorly disguised sugar (molasses, cane juice, brown sugar,...).
Fortunately there are many alternatives, it just takes a little bit more label reading when shopping, for example, for an extremely yummy vegan friendly ice cream, one should try Sweet Nothings besides being very low cal and non fat and no white sugar it tastes extremely delicious.
* Regarding vegans who are paranoid about items that even touched meat.
I am one of those, if there is even a slight suspicion that something either contains or might have come in contact with animal products, I won't eat it, it's as simple as that. At first this was a learned behaviour, since I was definitely not born vegan, but now it's completely automatic. Just thinking about eating non vegan makes me sick, and even some vegan foods like boca burgers don't satisfy me as much, because they taste too much like meat (which is a plus for meat eaters trying to make the transition).
Last but not least, I invite all of you to read a passage of this translation of the Bhagavad Gita which might shed some more light on the fact that many people pay a lot of attention not only to the results (i.e. the food that one eats) but to the means also (i.e. how the food is prepared and where).
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"Arjuna! Food is the chief formative force. The soiled mind dulls the brilliance of moral excellence; how can a muddy lake reflect clearly? The Divine cannot be reflected in the wicked or vicious mind. Food makes man strong in body; the body is intimately connected with the mind. Strength of mind depends upon strength of body too. Moral conduct, good habits, spiritual effort, depend upon the quality of the food; diseases, mental weakness, spiritual slackness- all are produced by faulty food".
"Krishna?" asked Arjuna, "pray, tell me the constituents of satvic, rajasic and tamasic foods".
"Arjuna! Food, to be satvic, should be capable of strengthening the mind as well the body It should not be too salty, too hot, too bitter, too sweet or too sour. It should not be taken while steaming hot. Food which fans the flames of thirst should be avoided. The general principle is that there should be a limit, a restraint. Food cooked in water should not be used the next day: it becomes harmful. Even fried articles should be consumed before they develop unpleasant odours Rajasic food is the opposite of satvic. It is too salty, too sweet, too hot, too sour, too odorous. Such food excites and intoxicates"
"Lord, excuse me if I appear impertinent; I ask with a desire to know, that is all. By merely a change in food habits, can character be changed from one guna to another? Or has something more to be done to supplement the purification process? Tell me if there is anything more".
"My dear brother-in-law, if transformation of character were so easy, wickedness and vice, so characteristic of the danava nature, could have been wiped off the surface of the earth in a trice. Of course, there are more things to be done. Listen.
There are three kinds of purities to be observed: purity of provision, purity of the vessel in which the food is prepared, and purity of the persons serving the prepared food.
It is not enough if the provisions are pure and of good quality. They should have been procured by fair means; no unfair, unjust, untrue earnings should be used for one's maintenance. These are fouled at the very source The source as well as the course and the goal must all be equally pure The vessel must be clean, free from tarnish. The person who serves must not only be clean in dress, but clean in habits, character and conduct. He should be free from hate, anger, worry and indifference while serving the dishes; he should be cheerful and fresh. And he must be humble and full of love. While attending upon those who are eating he should not allow his mind to dwell on wicked or vicious ideas. Mere physical cleanliness or charm is no compensation for evil thoughts and habits. The sadhaka who has to secure concentration has to be careful about these restrictions. Otherwise, during dhyanam, the subtle influences of the wicked thoughts of the cook and the servers will haunt the sadhaka. Care should be taken to have only virtuous individuals around. Outer charm, professional excellence, reduced wages, these should not be allowed to prejudice you in favour of harmful cooks and attendants. Examine carefully their habits and their character.
The food you eat is such important constituent of the physical and mental stuff with which you have to struggle in the spiritual field. Purity of mind can be and has to be supplemented by bodily purity as well as purity in its important function, speech That is the real tapas- physical, mental and vocal. The mind should be free from anxiety and worry, hate and fear, greed and pride. lt should be saturated with love for all beings.
It has to dwell in God. It has to be restrained from pursuing objective pleasures. No lower thought should be allowed to creep in; all thoughts must be directed towards the elevation of the individual to higher planes. This is the proper tapas of the mind, or manas.
Now for physical tapas. Use the body and its strength and capabilities for the service of others, for the worship of the Lord, for the singing of His Glory, for visiting places hallowed by His Name, for regulated exercises in breath control, for holding the senses away from deleterious paths, and for treading the path of God. The service of the sick and the distressed, the observance of moral codes and such beneficial acts must make it sacrosanct.
Vocal tapas too has to be engaged in. Avoid talking too much: desist from false statements, do not take delight in back-biting and in scandal-mongering; never speak harshly; speak softly and sweetly; speak with the memory of Madhava ever in the background of the mind. Of these three, physical tapas, mental tapas and vocal tapas, even if one is absent, the atmic effulgence (atmajyoti) cannot radiate light. The lamp, the wick and the oil are all essential for a light; the body is the lamp, the mind is the oil, and the tongue is the wick. All three must be in good order.
Some pious people consider that acts of charity are also physical tapas. It is good that they think so, but, when doing charity, one has to do so after pondering over the place, the time and the nature of the recipient. For example, charities for schools should be given at places where there have been no schools until then; hospitals have to be established in areas where diseases are rampant; hunger has to be appeased where famine conditions have been caused by floods or droughts. The nature and condition of the recipients have to be considered while imparting teaching of dharma and Brahmavidya, and while doing service of various kinds.
The charitable act that removes from a person the deficiency that is most harmful to his progress is called satvic".
"Krishna", interrupted Arjuna, "May I ask a question here? Charity, however done, is charity, is it not? Why do you distinguish them by satvic, rajasic and tamasic? Are there any such? "
Krishna answered, "Of course there are. Among those who donate for charities, most are anxious to get name and fame; that is the motive for the act. They are after something in return for what they offer. Very few desire the grace of the Lord, and nothing else. Gifts made with that one end in view. to receive the grace of the Lord, are satvic. Gifts made expecting something in return, like fame and publicity, esteem and power, or made in a huff, or made reluctantly under pressure, these are to be classed as rajasic"
"Charity should be given with reverence and faith. It should not be just thrown in the face of the recipient. Nor should it be given to an undeserving person or at an inopportune moment. Food for the overfed is a burden, not a boon. Hospitals in places that are inaccessible are as good as charity thrown away. Such benefitless and wasteful charity is called tamasic. While engaged in dana, or charity, one has to be very vigilant. You should not scatter it to whomsoever pleads for it; nor can you shower it on all kinds of places. Be careful that you remember the three types mentioned by Me and then do as seems most proper. The gift you make must not be for name or fame; it should have no motive of pomp or publicity; it should be purposeful and useful. In all acts, the satvic attitude is best. This attitude must permeate all acts, seeing, hearing or speaking".
-- the cake is a lie
Not to blow anybodies mind but US Recommended Daily Allowances are whack. The numbers are artifically low for quite a few catagories due to pressure put on the FDA by corporate food supply lobbies. The processesing of some of your favorite foodstuffs leeches quite a bit of the nutrients from them so therefore the companies are required to reintroduce the nutrients back into it. Now doesn't seem likely they are going to try as hard as they can to keep those requirements as low as possible? Of course it does. If you want some hard facts on the subject, please take the time to look them up. I have not done so, although I have a nutritionist who guides me in this regard.
Hey Rob, how much is your kickback? An ad, really...calm down, niekze, its not that big of a deal...its an amusing little blurb on a stupid little website...you're obviously smart enough to construct an argument, so why don't you couple that with commen sense and ignore articles that you find so blatantly "commercial".
Self-righteous twit...take your self-important katz-esque preaching and go somewhere else...
"Nobody owns the fucking words man." - James Dean
I used to madly love Pizza Rolls. Not just any sort, but Three Cheese Pizza Rolls. They _ruled_. They were _perfect_ and yummy and actually somewhat filling and had serious pretensions of being Real Food, and I bought 'em constantly.
Then, some years ago, the company improved them by taking out most of the cheese product, changing the name to 'Cheese' from 'Three Cheese', increasing the amount of tomato stuff by making it more watery and thin, and adding specks of black stuff to it. It was _horrible_ and clearly cheaper to make. The shareholders must have been well pleased. I quit buying the things- even now, years later, I will occasionally pick up a bag of 'em as a sort of salute to what they used to be, but the yumminess is really pretty completely gone.
If anyone has a cache of Three Cheese Pizza Rolls somewhere, put 'em up on eBay and point me at 'em? Nostalgia is worth any price. Same goes for original sugar-based (see: Canadian) Coca-Cola. I think if I remember correctly Totino's Party Pizza also was changed horribly from its original junkfood yumminess, but in a less sweeping manner.
Ya know, if these companies didn't have shareholders, they might be a little less pressured to change things which sell (to try and knock off a few cents) while clinging to their tortured userbase at the same time...
I don't get it.
You can't handle the truth.
Damn thing weighs a TON.
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They should advertise it for its easy setup and ability to get online easily, not the color
Oh my god, they have. Don't you remember the plethora of ads that came out a year and a half ago for those things, with a PC at one table and an IMac at the other, timing to see who could get online faster? How about the home movie editting ads they have out currently? The color ad (showing something that sets an iMac apart from other computers) was only one of the many ads for the iMac. It was meant to be amusing, especially for someone who wasn't into hardcore computer use.
You are the biggest whiner in the world. Grow up.
"Nobody owns the fucking words man." - James Dean
To be dangerous.
Many negative effects have been linked to the consumption of dairy products. My mother and brother would both get ear infections during the winter, but not if they stopped drinking milk.
Calcium is useless if you are not able to absorb it. Humans don't need more calcium, they need the magnesium to be able to make use of the calcium.
We are the only species that drinks the milk of another species (no, ants+aphids don't count), and we are the only ones that are never weaned away from it.
Also, tryptophan is NOT found only in milk. Bananas are one example of a tasty fruit product with tryptophan; there are many others, but those can be readily found in books, so I will not list them here.
There have also been studies showing a link between blood type and diet. Such studies find that I, with my type ARh- blood, cannot process animal proteins effectively, and that it is natural for me to become a vegetarian. Since (mostly) eliminating animal sources and caffeine from my diet, I have had far more energy, a better mood, and lost weight, despite no other lifestyle changes. I am not "on a diet", I "have a diet"...I still eat large quantities of food, it's just mostly carbohydrates and vegetables.
It is true that SOME people are not "made" to be vegetarians. My mother feels very faint after about 2 weeks of vegetarianism, so it is not the right choice for her. However, it has done good things for me, and I have no interest in going back. It actually began when I noticed that the digestion of animal products was hard on me when I was ill, but if I stuck to beans/pasta/etc., I was fine. I concluded that it probably wasn't so great for me even when I WASN'T sick...my vegetarianism (and near-veganism) is almost entirely dietary, and has little to do with cute, fuzzy animals.
I strongly suggest that you take care in what you express to be factual. There is not one "right" diet for all human beings, and any attempt to make such sweeping statements is doomed. Yes, your friend may have had a "scientifically balanced diet", but obviously it was not balanced FOR HER. "Modern medicine" still does not really understand the human body.
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True about the "vegans can...", I think the guy was riffing on my crude earlier attempt at humor.
The concept of reducing suffering isn't complicated only if you believe it in the first place; ie. you start from a position of assuming it's true. The problem with it ultimately isn't Singer's argument that animals rate on a utilitarian scale of global happiness, it's suggesting that it then ethically follows that we need to stop eating animals to increase that happiness total, when there isn't enough science to back up the idea that we as a civilization can just drop eating meat without serious consequence.
While you can get all of the FDA-approved nutrients from alternative sources, science's knowledge of human nutrition is incomplete. Nothing they know, for example, explains why children's brains develop slower (and show less total development in the long run) if they are raised on a vegetarian diet.
I'm not suggesting that this above example will have a necessarily detrimental effect on intelligence, but I am suggesting that using the argument "stop using animal products and reduce world suffering" assumes that not eating meat has no cost to us whatsoever, when the truth is the science behind maintaining a complete vegetarian diet isn't thorough engouh for you to make that decision for the rest of the world.
Nothing I've said, however, reduces the need for people to recognize the unnecessarily vicious treatment animals recieve in the name of making clothing, food and tons of other products we use. I would say (and suspect you'd agree) that the methods used to raise and slaughter these animals couldn't have been more horrific if they were designed as methods of torture, and in this the argument that we need to "increase the total amount of happiness by reducing the total amount of pain" stands on solid ethical ground: animals feel pain and shouldn't be tortured under any circumstances.
Jpowers
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Most people in the U.S. get approx. 10x as much protein as they should. There is quite good evidence (JAM 1997/1998, various, others) that the excess protein causes a number of problems, one of the most prominent being osteoporosis. And if you thnk that's only old people, try again! The incidence of young people with fragile bones is climbing. Before the latter half of this century, that just did not occur.
The whole protein thing was started mainly in the 60's and 70's by a bunch of kook doctors with very suspect data, but it's so ingrained in everybody that it's now conventional wisdom. (To be fair, there were kooks in the 30's that said the same).
Carbs aren't bad. Excess simple carbs, such as those in sugar and bread are converted into sorbitol, which damages cell walls, so they can be bad in sufficent quantity. Complex carbs bound up in stuff like beans and corn take long enough to process that sorbitol creation is unlikely, so you don't get the damage. The Cal/Food Volume ratio is also much lower, so you tend to get full much sooner than you do with simpler carb sources like sugar and bread, i.e. they don't fatten you up.
Dude.
A couple of weeks ago I saw a box of King Vitaman at Giant Eagle here in Pittsburgh. I didn't think anything of it -- it looked like one of those generic store brand cereals like "Crisped Rice" and "Fruit Rings."
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The daily requirement for tryptophan is around 500mg, which is readily available from plant sources. Here are some such plant sources (source == Heinz Handbook of Nutrition):
wheat 150-170mg
peas 251mg
soybeans 526mg
pumpkin seeds 560mg
cottonseed flour and meal 591mg
sunflower seed meal 589mg
And useable calcium can be gotten from plant sources. Perhaps not spinach, but brocolli will do nicely.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
>See? See? This is the kind of loony ranting that
>gives vegetarians their bad reputation in the
>first place.
You'll find loonies in any sufficiently large population. People rant about Linux, FreeBSD, etc., etc. The way information is presented doesn't make it more or less true.
It does make people more or less receptive...
Pretty much the only nutrient that's scarce outside of animal products is B12. The bacteria in your gut will supply 25% or so of your daily requirement, and the rest you can get from pills or fortified foods, both of which are bacterial in origin -- soy milks (Whitewave's Silk, WOOHOOO!) often provide 50% of your daily requirement.
There's some disagreement as to whether spirulina and tempeh provide actual useful-for-human-consumption B12 or just "B12 analog" (which is useless to humans but is counted as B12 owing to the nature of the test used).
If you're careful about your diet, you can do just fine as a vegan. If you're an average ovolacto vegetarian (eats eggs & milk), it's pretty much impossible to screw up.
"If one is really a superior person, the fact is likely to leak out without too much assistance" -- John Andrew Holmes
My main beef (no pun intended) with the Dilberito is that most of them are vegan. By catering to the lowest common denominator and leaving the meat and dairy out of these products, they are losing a lot of business from people who enjoy the taste of meat in their meals.
Although from the perspective of my chosen diet the Dilberito seems like a healthful meal, I don't think I'll be buying many of them because:
In response to many peoples' comments about hatred of vegans--every vegan I know, save one, has an unbearable "holier-than-thou" attitude about his or her veganness. When they proudly proclaim "I'm vegan" at restaurants and other places (which they do frequently and with much vigor) the tone of their voices clearly connotes a certain superiority, as if by choosing to be vegan, they are somehow better than I.
You would be bothered by someone who frequently said "I'm gay" or "I'm christian" or "I'm a democrat," wouldn't you? I am a very tolerant individual and whatever lifestyle choice you make is fine with me. Just don't get smug about it, or if you are smug, have the good taste not to do it in such a vocal manner.
In a more frivolous vein, doesn't a vegan food product run contrary to the whole Dilbert ethos? When think of Dilbert, I imagine a pudgy, Coke-guzzling white male, not a health nut. It seems to me that, by flaunting the vegetarianness, they will be further alienating their target market of techies who are well-to-do and health conscious, but are either not obsessed with health or don't know much about nutrition.
>Actually IIRC a stricly vegan meal does lack a
>handful of things that your body needs
You can meet all nutritional needs on a vegan diet.
The two main points of concern: Vitamin D, which you synthesize when getting sufficient sunlight (it's actually a hormone).
Vitamin B-12: Actually a soil bacterium. Grazing animals eat plants and some soil and store it. Vegans can get it from yeast (a microbe).
But then again.. since I've never tasted one of these gross looking things, how would I know what they're like. For all I know, maybe they taste like.. mm.. CHICKEN?
Another reason for choosing Ramen over those other foods is that if nessicary, preperation time is zero - rip open the package, much on the noodles directly after sprinkling a bit of the power on, and you are good to go - I reccomend something to drink though (water or Mtn. Dew work best) as it tends to absorb whatever fluids it finds sitting in the stomach. Or at least that's what it FEELS like it's doing.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Unless you make everything you use, buying shit is part of life. I always want to buy the best shit I can, so if our dear Mr. CmdrTaco gets the idea into his pointed little head that I might enjoy buying something, he's welcome to post it. Even if it's a Cmdr Taco.
-russ
Don't piss off The Angry Economist
I love vegetarian food. First of all, it rids the world of yet another vegetarian. Plus, they usually eat organic food, so vegetarian meat is chemical- and hormone-free. Even better than free-range chicken!
-russ
p.s. get a life. Some of my best friends are vegetarians. I used to be a vegetarian. We used to tell these jokes on each other. No, I'm not advocating cannibalism. Sheesh! People like you need a sense of humor!
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Everyone has "studies" and "facts" supporting their claims, but most of it is just sophistry to support emotional judgements.
If you want real truth about nutrition, just look at the diets of primitive societies. They didn't cheat on their diets, because they couldn't. There is no confusion over supposed mechanisms, because you are looking at the actual results, without even considering mechanisms.
Yes, eating lots of meat reduces the calcium in your bones, that must be true. Yeah, that's why european explorers and researchers marveled at the incredible strength in the teeth of the eskimos, who ate a diet consisting almost entirely of meat. One notable anecdote is of a fellow, whose fingers proved unequal to the task, removed a tight nut from a bolt with this teeth. They had their problems, but fragile bones weren't an issue.
That's why tribal humans often go to great lengths to acquire meagre servings of meat when they have little of it: because it's bad for them and nature's brutal teaching process has slowly shaped their society into the pursuit of poor health. That makes perfect biological sense, doesn't it?
Actually, a diet of nothing but raw meat contains everything a person needs to be healthy. Every essential nutrient is present in adequate quantities. Mind you, cooking the meat destroys some of these nutrients (like vitamin C), and eating uncooked meat has many dangers, not to mention the cost of meat.
A little meat goes a long way toward fixing all sorts of dietary deficiencies. That's why it's so highly valued in so many cultures.
The truth is that most vegans must be extremely careful with their diets, or end up weak and sickly (and many end up that way no matter how careful they are). They need to take supplements, because there are some things (like B12) that are either very hard or impossible to get from plants. People with normal, balanced diets which include reasonable servings of meat need only be careful not to eat too much (quite possibly the dumbest nutritional problem to face the wealthy areas of the world: too much food).
IMHO, while it's pretty good for most people, in the standard nutrition system taught in schools, grains and dairy products are overemphasized. Milk is a great food... for some people. Others it just makes sick. I haven't seen studies, but I wouldn't be surprised if ancestry was a factor: in some areas of the world, people have been drinking cow's milk as a staple for millennia, while in other areas milk was only recently introduced. At any rate, people can get by without milk. I like to think of it as being similar to wine and beer; alcoholics tend to be rather unsuccessful individuals, and correspondingly a tendency toward alcoholism is much rarer among peoples who have had booze for millennia (smallpox wasn't the only disease europeans brought to the Americas). The point is that some people can drink several servings of alcohol each day, enjoy lower stress, have no long term damage, and show no signs of addiction, while others who try to follow a habit of daily moderate consumption will be destroyed by it. One human isn't biochemically equivalent to another. Grains tend to be processed into nutritionally worthless starch - great for athletes who have trouble keeping up their short-term glycogen stores, but they just make sedentary people fat.
It's a fuzzy area, due to the rather large variations between humans and the rather narrow samples in typical studies, but when you go dramatically against the conventional wisdom of most cultures going back thousands of years (such as the claim that meat is bad for you), you are almost certainly wrong.
Unfortunately, it has been altered by the Vegetarian Council, but then, such is life...
Maybe I should give you a couple of facts that will help you change your mind regarding exactly how much more stressful for the environment is to support a meat based diet:
a typical hamburger.
12 Pounds of Grain
It takes about 12 pounds of grain to produce one pound of hamburger. This could make 8 loaves of bread, or 24 plates of spaghetti. Grain consumption by livestock is increasing twice as fast as grain consumption by people. Cattle consume 70% of all US grain.
55 Square Feet of Rainforest
While not all hamburgers come from the rainforest, for every pound of rainforest beef, approximately 660 pounds of precious living matter is destroyed, including 20-30 different plant species, and dozens of birds, mammals and reptiles.
2,500 Gallons of Water
It takes up to 2,500 gallons of water in the state of California to produce one pound of hamburger. This could be used to grow more than 50 pounds of fruits and vegetables. Half of all water consumed in the US is used to grow feed and provide drinking water for cattle and other livestock.
as you can see, if all the world switched to a plant based vegan diet, there would be less strain on the planet, I know this is counter intuitive, and meat and milk boards want it to remain this way.
-- the cake is a lie
Haha! Good comeback! Amen, brother!
Folks,
After reading most of the commentary here, it appears that the programmer/engineer/hacker crowd is in desperate need of learning how to cook and store food properly in BULK.
Ever heard of Tupperware or Rubbermaid containers? A good-sized freezer? Or best of all, a decent home vacuum-sealing system?
As for me, I do it this way: I make things like meat sauces, chicken a la king, or cooked frozen peas/whole kernel corn in large batches, then divy them up among a whole bunch of Tupperware containers (I put a few slices of baked ham on top of the peas/corn) and put them in the freezer. That way, I just cook up some rice with a decent rice cooker (I have a Japanese-made 3-cup Zojirushi unit), then put the container with the food in it in a microwave oven for 8-12 minutes, then serve with the rice.
You can do variants of this by using a Tilia Foodsaver vacuum sealing system, so you can freeze a whole meal into a vacuum-sealed bag and then drop it in a pot of boiling water to cook it later.
Given that the methods I mentioned can include most every type of food, you don't have to be stuck with fast food or worse just to get a decent meal. Break the hamburger and pizza habit!
Getting off nutrition soapbox,
Raymond in Mountain View, CA
Mmm... Garlic and Herb. 100% daily value of various nutrients. Edible with only one (or possibly zero, with adequate planning) hand. Hey, any food that is that (presumably) tasty, and doesn't take me away from coding sounds good to me.
Hey Scott, GPL the recipe!
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There is *ample* epidemiological evidence of the non-toxicity of vitamin C. Millions of Americans have been consuming large daily doses for decades. If an excessive amount of vitamin C caused any health problem at all, we would have an epidemy of major proportions by now.
Of course, a personal anecdote does not prove anything, but I have taken 1000mg of vitamin C daily for more than 25 years. I also consume a lot of calcium, drink a lot of milk and eat a lot of cheese. I never had any sort of kidney problem.
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Bravo! Excellent!
Is that the main character in the Hobbet? Oh no, that's Bilbo. :) But seriously what's a dildo?
Oh the humanity! Stop the insanity!
Didn't we learn from that charlton heston flick not to do this?
Hungarians often carry paprika in little pouches so they can sprinkle it one their food almost indiscriminately. No kidding.
When I'm singing a ballad and a pair of underwear lands on my head, I hate that. It really kills the mood.
-Tom Jones
Precisely what triggered this verbal barrage? Your sister stop putting out? Pissed off because they took Hee Haw off the air? Did Uncle Clem vomit on your NASCAR bedsheets? Well, what?
Uh, yeah this was already covered in an article in the New York Times a few months back.
It has a conspicuous absence of fake, man-made ingredients, a staple of true geeks foods. And how much are these going to cost? They seem like they'll be pretty expensive, but geeks typically like very cheap food. And will geeks really be satisfied to eat only one of these a day? Won't you get an overdose of minerals like iron if you eat too many?
Just my geek thoughts....
I'm not surprised that they're vegetarian since Scott Adams is a vegetarian. Note that they aren't all strictly vegan. For example, the Mexican fajita contains Caseinate, which is a milk protein that is often added to soy-based cheese, presumably to make them more elastic and to give them a texture closer to true cheese.
Meat makes you strong. This isn't a modern fad, but a truism held among the majority of cultures for all history. Meat eaters are, in general, bigger and stronger than vegetarians. This applies both in individual and cultural comparisons. People of wealthy countries in southeast asia are getting larger, rapidly approaching the size of typical westerners, where they've added more meat to their diet. The most important thing about meat is the concentration of protien in usable form, though it contains other important nutrients.
It's true, though, that most people in wealthy western countries easily get enough protein. That doesn't mean that a diet of meatless burritos wouldn't be short on protein.
The rise in fragile bones among young people is just one among many growing nutrition problems due mostly to the wierdly picky yet lazy eating habits of a spoiled generation, and, more fundamentally, the disappearance of the traditional homemaker and isolation of the child-raising household from the traditional helpers (like grandparents and other close relatives). Where do you learn good eating habits? From your mother, of course. If she makes sure you eat three squares a day and stay away from sugary treats and garbage fried in rancid oil, you tend to follow those guidelines. If she lets you have anti-food like pop tarts for breakfast and Coke as your staple beverage because she doesn't have the time or support to develop proper parenting skills (rather, I should say, mothering skills, since a father's traditional role is rather different) which allow her to efficiently deal with a child's determined opposition (or simply doesn't have time for anything healthy, which I feel is a lesser issue), you tend to follow those habits as well (and start out your independent adult life already unhealthy from a poor diet).
Convenience food is bad food. Someone in the household needs to spend about an hour or two each day in preparing real food, or the family's health suffers. Even if people have the right idea about what foods are good, they need time to make it. It's a cultural problem, based on overprideful specialization which devalues the skills of ability for direct action. People are expected to do nothing but pursue money, and are chastised if they try to provide for their loved ones other than through purchasing. A homemade garment is ridiculed, a wholesome home-cooked meal is less desired than food-like items from McDonalds, and people are even looked down on for having their hair cut at home. It's a sad state of affairs.
Hey, Corky, uhh, maybe someone wants to read this "crap". I think it's amuseing, and others do too.
My original comment still stands.
Bye!
Dan
you probably are using more resources than 1 cow. so logically, you should kill yourself to save the planet.
Try Met-RX. It supposedly was developed by some doctor who was looking for a way to keep critically ill patients alive on one primary staple of food. And it is cheap too! Go to one of the online drugstores, use their introductory coupon and you are getting it for less than $1 per serving. Supposedly it is somewhat healthy too.
IIRC, John Wayne had lung cancer, after being a heavy smoker for decades.
OTOH, Linda McCartney was a vegan, and died of cancer as well. She wasn't a smoker, so in her case, it was probably a diet induced disease.
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Noble cause.. however eating Vegan dose not mean eating healthy and this is a morality choice not a health option...
:)
You CAN eat healthy by eating Vegan but getting what you need to be healthy is a great deal easyer when you include animal products in your diet...
I don't mind the Vegan philosophy so much. Some vegitarian philosopher suggested if you can not handle watching your food be made you shouldn't eat it. Sounds reasonable enough.
I however CAN watch meat get killed cut up processed and packed and not have any problems with it. I look at ground beef and I can not help but see it as ground up flesh. This has never effected my diet (I wish it did.. I could stand to lose some weight). I take the ground up flesh cook up something to eat and I am fine with it.
If you can not do the same... then do not eat meat.
I don't care about being helthy.. I just want my CmdrTacos
I don't actually exist.
Especially Brazil? I want DILBERITOS!!!
Cesar Cardoso can be found at cesar at zyakannazio dot eti dot br (or at least I believe so)
YOU ARE A KARMA FARMA
Now there's nothing like a good juicy 20oz beef filet cooked rare or medium rare. Damn good!
rodent...
rodent...
Tactical nuclear weapons are a viable alternative!
IANA Nutritionist, but I remember picking up from various sources a suspicion that all the vitamins and minerals are more effective when they are in their natural state; i.e., as part of a piece of broccoli. It probably has to do with absorption. I doubt that eating nothing but Doritos and multivitamins can really make you healthy, but that doesn't mean those Centrums are a crock.
In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. -Carl Sagan
A vegan I know once put it this way, "You don't eat shit. You'd never think of eating shit. But it wouldn't bother you if there was just a little bit of shit in your soup broth, would it? How about if I fried that meal in a pan that had just been covered in shit? I wiped the pan once before cooking your meal..." Basically, you have to understand how utterly unthinkable eating anything animal-related becomes to a vegan. It's perhaps how you would feel about eating feces. That said, there are a lot of vegans who get a big kick out of being annoying. Those of us who don't like to be annoying often avoid eating anything or anywhere where we'd have to be that paranoid... especially in public. That is, we make sacrafices for your convenience and both your and our comfort. It's rather awkward asking these types of questions, especially at a table full of people who aren't vegetarians and really don't understand. Add to that the frustration of restaurant staff who sometimes lie rather than go to the trouble of answering simple questions such as, "Does this bread have milk in it?", and you get either a demanding, vocal vegan who is exacting in his questions or a vegan who refuses to order anything other than a plain salad at a non-vegetarian restaurant (and then smiles while co-workers harass him about never eating anything but salads). One thing that many people don't realize is that there are many vegetarians and vegans who feel the same way many of you feel. It's a personal choice, and they'd prefer not to discuss it. It's just that after a few dozen ignorant people harass you about your personal choices often at work or in other settings where you're trying to follow some sort of public or professional etiquette while under attack, you get tired of being reasonable. Sometimes you even start to hear attacks in questions that are simply curious. I suppose it's a feeling that a lot of geeks can relate to. If so, then they should lay off the veg*ns unless they're truly interested in vegetarianism or truly twisted and cruel. After all, at least geeks get good salaries after putting up with years of harassment. I haven't yet seen a want add for a strict vegan. ;-)
I've been thinking of starting up an open recipe archive which caters to the geek population
Ah, you mean like The Geek Gourmet? I think this site was actually mentioned on Slashdot a few months back.
"Score:2, Troll"? Sheesh... -j
It started as the usual +1 that anybody gets for being logged in, then 2 people moderated it as "funny", bringing it up to a +3 (my first time abouve +2, so it caught my attention), then somebody else (at whom I have poked gentle fun elswhere in this thread) moderated it as "troll", so that's how it got a negative label and a positive score.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
forgot the :) at the end of that sentence. My bad.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Also vegan.
1. Are there going to be more stores offering these Dilbertos?
2. How much do they cost?
3. Will there eventually be more varieties offered?
I'm sorry. What I meant to say was 'please excuse me.'
what came out of my mouth was 'Move or I'll kill you!'
stile project, home of the linux loving sluts has been destroyed!
Did you know that you can get 100% of all dialy vitamins from 43 pints of Guinness and a glass of milk? Mmmm, healty!
I have found that many corporations fund "independent research" on the effects of certain chemicals, or food types such as milk. American food is way too overprocessed and dangerous to your health.
A cow's milk contains a hormone called IGF-I (Insulin Growth Factor Type 1). This hormone is exactly the same in both cows and humans. Aside from this, milk contains 56 hormones already as well as blood and pus. Recently the milk industry had to increase the antibiotics put into cows to fight off resistant bacteria. The point: don't drink milk. It is not good for you. It is not even a good source of calcium since it doesn't have magnesium. You need magnesium and calcium for your body to process the calcium. Milk also contains a powerful amino acid called casein. Casein is a powerful glue. It is used to hold the labels to a bottle. A lot of NON-dairy products contain Sodium Caseinate, a milk derived protein. Guess it's still dairy. Tuna fish also uses caseinate to hold it togetheer
A lot of American food has excessive sugar (sucrose or other complex sugars). Read the ingrediants for many beverages and other foods. One common ingredient is High Fructose Corn Syrup. During the 80's many companies tried to create sugar-free products and there was big aerobic craze. Some how in the 90's they decided to attack fat and the excercise phase waned. The point: Complex sugars are bad for you. They have no nutritional value, and there is evidenece that they lead to all kinds of health problems from the physiological to the psychological.
MSG. MonoSodium Glutamate is actually a family of chemical called Processed Free Glutamic Acid. If something says NO MSG, it has MSG. MSG or PFGA is a exicitotoxin, or neurotoxin. That's why people get headaches. Avoid soy sauces and the like.
Caffeine. 1-3-7 trimethylxanthine. The staple of the geek. However if you really care about your health, avoid it like the plague. You don't need caffeine to stay awake. You can eat protein foods and or carbos (but good carbos like fruits, vegetables, and whole grains)
Trans-fatty acids, partially hydrogenated oils, should also be avoided. If you know some chemistry, you should know about isomers. Isomers are molecules with different spatial configurations. However they may not act the same chemically. Basically, your body would have a hard time processing it, and it will make you fatter and sluggish.
Personal note: When I was in college, I decided to eat Taco Bell to save money. I ate taco bell for about 2 months straight. Then I caught the flu. I never ever had the flu until that time. I decided to spend the bucks and get some decent food instead. Never got sick again.
I will end my rambling, by saying that American processed food is evil and harmful to your health. People are wondering why there is an increase of cancer, sickness, and psychotics. They never take a look at the food that they are eating.
But don't believe me. Here's references, all of which are in front of me:
- NEJM 1994(June 23);330:1776-1781
- American J of Clinical Nutrition 1994;59(Suppl):1238S-41S.
- SJ Whiting, DJ Anderson, SJ Weeks. Calciuric effects of protein and potassium bicarbonate but not of sodium chloride or phosphate can be detected acutely in adult women and men. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 65: 5(MAY 1997):1465-1472.
- G Wyshak, RE Frisch. Carbonated Beverages, Dietary Calcium, and Dietary Calcium/ Phosphorus Ratio, and Bone Fractures in Girls and Boys. Journal of Adolescent Health 1994(May);15(3):210-215.
Sorry they're paper journals, I have no on-line references for you. They should all be carried in the medical library at any halfway competent university. If you dig harder, there are references in CDC, Journal of the American Medical Association, New England Journal of Medicine, and so forth. It's not my fault that the media garble and oversimplify everything.Lastly, explain why almost all athletics (and I don't count pro wrestlers and golfers) are dominated by people who eat diets of exactly the opposite sort that you describe? Yes, there are exceptions, chocolate-shake-and-fries-eating wonders, but there are also 98-year olds that smoke a pack a day. Nevertheless, most people who smoke will shorten their life. A few anecdotal exceptions don't invalidate these data. Three or four helpings of mixed beans, corn and grains will give you more than enough protein of all types. The only deficiency you've any likelyhood of getting is Vitamin B12.
oh god i'm so hungry right now. i WANT one of those indian-flavored ones. mango chutney... mmm... flavor.
(i live in a dorm... if it ain't boiled to death, we don't eat it. or fried. broccoli kind of loses its health-fu when you boil it until it's no longer green, dude.)
Tetris rules.
If you are pulling your 4th all nighter in a row, no stupid dilberito is going to save you. A couple 3 liter bottles of mountain dew are the way to go. So my advice is until they put 400% of caffeine daily value into that thing, stick with mtn dew. It's the lifeblood of american universities.
I'd love to see what a Beowulf cluster of these babies could do!
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Dude, good call. This one had me rolling on the floor.
I'm sure this guy objects to being called horrifying. I myself was 5'11 and 120-125 lbs all through high school, and there was nothing wrong with me. I ate reasonably well. I mean, yes, my hipbones and ribs stuck out a little bit, but I had no physical problems as a result of it, and probably looked better, IMO than I do now(I'm now 6' and 145-150). I've been weight training, which probably has something to do with the gain.
:)
BTW, what are other exercises to do for your abs other than situps and leglifts? I just feel the pull in my upper abs, what can I do for the lower? (read: I wanna sixpack.
-lx
The ice cream is very tasty. I'm usually disgusted by the stink of green vegetables, but I guess I'll give the Dilberito a chance.
As a Dilbert fan, I will at least try one of these, if I happen to see them somewhere. (It's not easy being a victim of shameless marketing schemes!) But I'm thinking of the advertising... will Dogbert be hawking Dilberitos like that damn Taco Bell rat-dog?
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Inventor of the Internet
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This may be off-topic . . .
This is a little OT too, but what the hell?
Here where I live (DC area), there's actually a drive-through Starbucks. The building used to be a bank, and after S'bucks moved in, they decided to keep the drive-through window. (No, the coffee isn't delivered through the vacuum tubes, smartass.) Very cool.
For those of you near DC, it's in Burtonsville (IIRC). Tell 'em Mr. Gore sent ya!
Anyone else like the coffee at "Cafe Borders?" I think their cafe mocha is better than S'bucks's.
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Inventor of the Internet
Father of our Country
Sure. In this case it looks like the (numerous) vitamins are mostly sprayed on. It doesn't seem many are in their natural state, but certainly more than in Total cereal, for example -- a veggie burrito is pretty good nutrition in the first place. But if I want sprayed-on vitamins, I'd personally rather have them sprayed on a frozen mini-pizza.
I found that when I gave up red meat (for $ reasons). After a while, I found I couldn't digest any significant amount of red meat. It's fine in small amounts, like in a chili or stew, but steaks and burgers are out.
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One time my teacher caught me, and tried to call my parents. Me and my friend Gimpy Ed hid next to her car and were going to give her a, um, surprise when she left to drive home.
I don't remember what happened after that.
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Hungarians also have indiscriminate sex with sheep and llamas. No kidding. I've been there.
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I was doing some serious coding in Utrecht and I felt the need for caffine ... I definitely found some Jolt. Come to think of it I can't think of a place I've been without being able to find it. I was even playing with a box at a golf course on Lombok (one of the Spice Islands) and they had some ... well they had the bottle, and it was the right colour, but then, the cap seemed well worn to me ...
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You can't be talking to the guy you replied to, since he was ranting about the gross overconsumption of protein. You certainly can't be talking to me, since I agreed that most Americans (being meat-eaters, and overfed at that) get plenty of protein.
I also agree that an excess of meat is bad for you. It collects in the colon, rots, and causes intestinal problems, for one thing. Eating too much of any one thing is bad for you. The best diet is a balanced one, and, for most people, including a moderate amount of meat.
Athletes vary widely in their eating habits (BTW, why would you except pro wrestlers? I wouldn't call them athletes per se, but the good ones are incredibly strong and shockingly agile for such large men), from vegans to people who pig out on fried chicken weekly. Most are more moderate and eat well-balanced meals with appropriate servings of meat, like I try to. Many take protein supplements. I can't figure out where your "chocolate-shake-and-fries" thing came from, since I only mentioned such diets as an unfortunate trend.
The Chinese love meat as much as any people on the planet. Their pictograph for happiness even contains the image of a pig. Are you going to tell me that's the sign of a society which has long considered meat undesirable? However, it is true that they don't eat anywhere near the quantities of meat typical of western countries.
As for the peoples of India, a great many of them have religious prohibitions against eating meat, so I wouldn't expect them to have anything good to say about it (the same would apply to many Chinese vegetarians). You might, however, read about Ghandi's little adventure in carnivorism, and the reasoning that led him to it (it doesn't really support my point, but it's amusing). At any rate, protein deficiency is fairly common in India.
Regardless of whether your claims about these countries are true, they are occupied by people of generally small stature. How, exactly, does that support the notion that eating meat doesn't affect stature?
Sure, you can live without meat, if you're careful to get a complete diet. I don't dispute that. I do, however, say that meat is a wholesome food that contains the most essential ingredients for growth. Most people are better off with it than without it.
"most people who smoke will shorten their life" - (off topic, but while we're at it...) not necessarily true. First of all, most smokers ridiculously overindulge. They should be called "smoking addicts" or some such thing, to distinguish them from responsible smokers as "alcoholic" distinguishes alcohol addicts from responsible drinkers. I smoke a pipe once every few weeks, and I honestly believe it will never harm me. Secondly, some people are more vulnerable to smoking-related illness than others. Women, for instance, are much more likely to get lung cancer from smoking than men are. Women should never smoke, or have to work in places where they are constantly exposed to second-hand smoke. Some men, though, are quite capable of smoking through their entire lives without any side-effect. However, I do believe that men who get sick from smoking are mostly people who abuse tobacco in an insane manner, rather than smoking a few cigarettes per week, they smoke a several per day, or even over a pack, to the point that it impairs them even in the short term. That's just stupid, they shouldn't be surprised when they get sick from it. At any rate, it's not good for you, but I think most men could get away with it without any ill effects, if only they'd be reasonable about their usage.
It's cheap as hell, never goes bad, and tastes just fine for cooking purposes. I wouldn't drink it, it's a bit chalky, but fine for kraft dinner.
Cheers,
Rick Kirkland
With a diet like that you won't need the respect for too much longer ...
With a smartass attitude like that, neither will you..
Plants are alive, too. You think you can abuse them just because you don't have to hear them scream? Oh, the horror!
Hey! And what about the animals that eat other animals? You hippies just love to save the dolphins, but did you know that dolphins eat fish?!?! Stop the presses! Hold a Vegan Dipshit Committee, we've got to start lobbying for a kinder, vegan dolphin population!
Humans are animals. We're allowed to eat other animals. We aren't any better than other animals. (And you're especially bad.)
Stop being a shame to your species and drop the crap. Find acceptance in some other, more intelligent, group of social outcasts. (Or as the rest of the world knows them, "Californians".)
Oh, and
Vote Gore 2000! He'll get rid of all the dirty Mexicans! Really!
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Father of our Country
Did I miss something, or are all 4 Dilberitos vegitagian? Or possible even vegan (I know at least one of them has non-dairy cheese)?
Wonder what they taste like. They could be quite nice. They could probably look a little better - wonder how they look in real life - pictures never show food off properly.
Anyone know where to get any in downtown Chigago, IL? I'm going there for the weekend, and wouldn't mind trying one out. Please mail me if you know...
T.
My mother and brother would both get ear infections during the winter, but not if they stopped drinking milk.
That's because your brother was drinking the milk from your mom's titties, and when she jacked him off, he'd get jizz in his ear. Really. I know. I was there. In fact, I was the photographer.
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Father of our Country
Yeah, it was really rude, but geez, that can't be healthy! I just got this image in my mind of a starved person I saw on TV; I guess he was probably more like 70 or 90 lbs, but that's still not that far. He mentioned that he didn't eat properly, so it sounded like he could really be hurting himself (forgetting to eat to the point of endangering your health: anorexia neglecta?).
Besides, that's how I talk to everyone. I'll be having a conversation, when suddenly I'll realize how stupid the person is. I'll say "My God, you're stupid! For the sake of humanity I hope you aren't planning on breeding." Or I'll notice that one of my co-workers is drinking too much coffee and I'll go up to him and say "Gods below! You pathetic drug addict! At least 3 major religions say you're going to hell." Or I'll notice that my girlfriend has bought a new dress, and I'll say "By the First Turnip! Did you look in a mirror before you bought that? Don't you know how fat your ass looks in that dress?" You know, whatever I can do to help in my uniquely tactful way. ^_^
If you want a sixpack, the trick is to lose the fat over your abs. Sorry, it's true. Everybody has those same muscles, you just can't see them because they're under the fat. It doesn't take a lot of fat, just the normal healthy amount. You have to ask yourself if it's worth it to get rid of it. It's not really healthy to lose every last bit of fat from your body. You need that fat to produce some hormones and stuff (yeah, I'm fuzzy on the details). It's also very hard to put on muscle mass if you don't have a little fat on your body (not a lot of fat - that's just hard to lose later), so don't go through the hardship of getting ripped if you still want to put on more muscle. It's also easier to lose fat when you have more muscle.
If you really decide you must lose fat (as I do from time to time; I compete at judo, and it's a weight-category sport), I'm a bit of an extremist, so you might not want to follow my advice (read: "don't follow my advice, I'm a wierdo; presented only for entertainment value"). I like the fat fast. It's a kind of controlled starvation, in which you eat only to attempt to preserve your muscle-mass. Oddly, this means eating almost pure fat, and only in very small quantities. It also means not exercising hard, because you won't have the energy, and your body will want to switch to eating your muscles if you use them. I have pretty good self-control (or maybe I'm just too lazy to figure out more appetizing acceptable food), so I just eat spoonfuls of salad oil. Drink lots of water (you have to flush out those ketones), and feel free to have a little alcohol (as long as there's no sugar in the booze), as it drives you deeper into ketogenesis. I won't provide any links to more information, but it's out there. I don't really recommend it for anyone, though it's probably healthier than what some wrestlers do to make weight...
Anyway, back on topic:
Leglifts work the psoas (hip flexors) more than your abs, which only play a supporting role. This is also true for a large part of situps. A situp is actually a crunch, followed by an isometric contraction while the psoas do the actual lifting. However, it's hard to get a good workout out of crunches on a flat floor.
Your lower abs really aren't seperate from your upper abs. They're part of the same chain, and anything that works one, works the other.
The trick to working out your abs is to exercise over a full range of motion, and to add weight when you need it. You know the way they teach you to do proper crunches? You lie on your back with your hips at a 90 degree angle, and your calves resting on a chair or something (this way, you only work your abs, not your psoas). Anyway, the problem here is that when you curl your abdomen, you're going all the way up, but you hit the floor long before you get all the way down (your back arches as well as curls). You have to put something under your butt and lower back so you can work over a larger range of motion. Ideally, you'd have a bench that matched the natural curve of your arched back, but you can simulate this fairly well on an incline situp bench with a properly sized cushion under your lower back.
Also, don't get silly with numbers. It's better to hold a dumbbell on your chest or behind your head so you can barely do 10 slow crunches than it is to do 150 unweighted crunches. Large weights are best for building muscle, large numbers of reps adapt your muscle to endurance.
However, while it's good to work your abs, the best way to put muscle on them is to work hard at the One True Lift. The OTL varies from person to person, either the deadlift or the squat. It works muscles all over your body and in some odd way puts muscle on everywhere. I have no idea why, but it works.
You'd elect this over ramen noodles?
The proper pronunciation is "ramyun". I don't know how it got anglicized to "ramen" - I guess we shouldn't complain when they do similar things to our words.
Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
Hi, my name is "niekze".
I never learned grammatical rules.
I dropped out of school before I was nine.
But now that I am thirteen, I know a lot.
I know that people will listen to me and respect me if I put every new sentence on a new line.
It makes it look like what I have to say is important and worth reading, instead of crap.
I would know.
Because I'm thirteen.
Dammit.
I don't know but heathshop.com has this type of stuff including balence bars... packs of 15 for around $20.00... these are the first and only "food" bars of this type I have tryed and they are pretty good... eat with with a glass of water or milk... healhshop is also always running lots of coupon deals.
Um, could someone explain to me what the criteria are for being a whore, in this context?
[cue Tennessee honky-tonk]
Yes, Scott Adams is a whore.
Gave him my heart in '74!
I gave him a diamond cock ring,
To display on his manly thing!
Told him I loved him every day,
and showed him, in a manly way.
Tried to treat him with some class,
Let him fuck me in the ass!
But that dude is a two-timin' hussy,
Sold that cock-ring for some man-pussy!
Now I've cleaned up and gone straight.
No more felchin'; ain't it great?
I feel happier and more chipper,
(even though I don't like fuckin' that Tipper!)
So vote for me on election day,
'Cause it's been twenty years since I was gay!
G W Bush had a problem with crack, and
So did I, after a fashion...
But yes, Scott Adams is whore,
Or my name ain't "Big Al" Gore!
Thank you.
God Bless,
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Inventor of the Internet
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Just today I replenished my ramen stock *sigh*. The only thing better is genuine Japanese soumen with cream and tuna.
Itakadimasu!
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Manage-mints! DogBert and CatBert shaped breath mints. Saw them on my boss' desk last week.
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I'd like to see if they're any good but there isn't a store in the area that sells them. I live in the Research Triangle area of NC, a major geek colony. The closest 7-Eleven I can find is 50 miles away. I suppose I could order one from Net Grocer but I'd hate to do that for a couple of bucks worth of stuff.
It's incredible: I'm reading these comments and seeing that a lot of people is going to lose one of the most :)
satisfying pleasures in life just to avoid losing a little time to cook something decent... I'm shocked!
Maybe it's just that I'm Italian, but I can't live without good food: even when I can't leave my computer to finish some code
I'll take a break to cook a good pasta dish by myself (my mother taught me well
and I'm sure my brain will work much better just because I'm feeding it with more sensorial stimulations;
imagine someone coding all day in a white room with no windows, sound-proof, eating these shitty Dilberitos... soon he'll be completely mad!
And for $3 I'll get much more nutritional value from natural homegrown stuff I buy directly from farmers (tomatoes, pepperoni, pork & cow meat, salami etc.) than one of these snacks.
Eat Italian stuff, your life will be better!
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Personally, I don't care for ramen noodles, but a burrito, would kick ass, and a nice sampler of hot sauces.
Eh...
Personnaly i find it disgusting all the tortures vegetable-eating people inflict upon plants. They take advantage that plants are different from us animals and don't have a nervous system to make us believe that they don't suffer and that it is right to amputate them, boil them alive (he if they were dead they probably wouldn't be good to eat anyway), cut them,...<P>
to stop this flow of insane cruelty against plants I decide to stop eating any vegetable product or byproduct (like honey, which is only stolen from plants by bees); given that I do the same for meat product as vegetarian and vegan will understand I have two choice left:<P>
1. Starve, no thanks.<P>
2. Eat chemical product that are not including anything coming from an alive organism.<P>
Well, finally I think I will go back and eat this meaty steak for which a cow was killed with these crusty chips for which many potatoes plants have been uprooted, unskinned and boiled <B>alive</B> and not bother that people think it's morally wrong to kill animal but morally ok to kill plants.<P>
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It's astonishing how much time/typing was spent upon this topic.
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How could we forget sardines? (just had some myself).   You get your zinc and calcium!   No muss, no fuss, no zapping in the microwave.   Just pop open a can and enjoy!
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Forget burritos and ice cream we should have a Dilbert drink. Mucho caffeine, and they could even put some protein and vitamins in there to make it nutritional. It would also have to be a drink that goes well with ramen and pizza. So what do you guys think?
Unfortunately I can't purchase the Dilberitos locally, so I decided to check out groceronline.com.
I ordered a couple of Dilberitos, the total of my order was US $5.18 . . . shipping was US $15.99!! How can they charge three times the cost of products being ordered and get away with it?
The Dilberitos are meatless, so they shouldn't have to be shipped overnight. Seems to me they're taking a percentage of the shipping costs as pure profit, an all too common practice for on-line retailers these days.
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Take Total cereal for instance. They say it is the breakfast of champions. It supplies us with 100% of our daily requirement of iron. However the way they get it in the cereal sort of scares me. They grind up the iron and add it into the mixture. You can actually extract the metal flakes from it. Crush up the cereal into a fine powder, add water to it and drop in a strong magnet. Stir it for a bit. When you pull out the magnet there will be iron shavings attached to it. You can't eat steel, so the flakes have to be small enough so that the stomach is able to dissolve the particles.
But is this healthy? Yes and no. Iron in small amounts causes no harm. Unfortunately, studies are finding that too much iron can cause kidney damage. Since Total cereal gives you 100% of your daily need for iron, then any other iron that you digest is too much. This is probably not a problem, unless you take iron supplements, in which case you could be in trouble.
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It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
Why did it take a cartoonist to come up with a healthy, geek-format meal?
Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
I can see it starting now:
And the road goes ever on....
I see them coming ...
Generic-man dun said:
Yup, they still sell King Vitaman (it's actually fairly easy to find here in Kentucky--I know I've seen it at Kroger's, Winn Dixie, AND Meijer's (the three big stores in Louisville) and odds are they also carry it at Food Lion, Foodland, and Piggly Wiggly (the other three big stores here in Kentucky, just not in Louisville); I can prolly find out for sure in the case of Foodland in about a month or so). I am all too familiar with the stuff, having been fed it by parents who seemed to have an outright paranoia about iron-deficiency anemia. :P
Oddly, the stuff isn't generic like Malt-O-Meal; it's actually made by Quaker (you know, the oats folks) which explains much on why they were promoting the healthy aspects of it...
King Vitaman doesn't quite count as a blast-from-the-past for me, though. A REAL blast-from-the-past would be, oh, Count Chocula or Frankenberry or (gods help me) QUISP (yes, so help me Cthulhu, they sell all three here, though the latter usually only in the big hypermarkets or at Sam's and super-Wal-Marts).
And, again, I see how I was deprived as a kid...I never had Captain Crunch till I was over drinking age, because my parents never bought it (it was "too expensive", so we'd get tons of Apple Jacks and Cheerios and King Vitaman and (if money was REALLY tight) the Malt-O-Meal knockoffs of Apple Jacks and Fruit-Loops). I am probably one of three people who has been born and lived all their life in the United States who has never, ever, not ONCE had Tang (I am not joking, either; my parents were somehow convinced that if we had ANY drinks with real sugar in them, we would become instantly diabetic, so Tang was right out; Kool-Aid wasn't because you could make it with saccharine or Nutrasweet [gee, folks, thanks; replace my (minimal) risk of diabetes with a greater chance of cancer and PMS, not to mention that thanks to all the Nutrasweet I won't have to worry about embalming my body thanks to all the formaldehyde...]). I still don't know exactly what the stuff tastes like. :) I also never had Cream of Wheat till this year (my folks always having gotten either good old oatmeal or grits).
Oddly (tying in with the prize thing), though, I was all too familiar with Ovaltine in my youth (another fun drink of which the "healthy" virtues have been promoted to death). Yes, they still did the crap with the cap lids for prizes. Yes, I sympathised with Ralphie all too much in "A Christmas Story" because, likewise, I'd drunk gallons of Ovaltine as a kid. And most folks have never SEEN Ovaltine. Hmph. :)
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I find it surprising that a slashdotter would insist on an engineering degree as evidence of competence in the profession.
He does have, as you said, a good grasp of the properties of technology, and other disciplines, which he probably did learn from working at Pac Bell. But -- and he has written this himself -- he has no FORMAL engineering training.
My instinct is that he is more a watcher than a geek, an anthropologist of business culture rather than an ESR-type anthropologist of geeks, and that he is more of a businessman THAN ANYTHING ELSE. HE can imitate geekishness well, through observation. (Remember "Engineers in the Mist">)
I think that geekishness is not Adams's primary feature. A businessman, a humorist, a cartoonist (whose cartoons' funniness is decliing, IMO), but less geeky than any of those.
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Actually, eating 6 small meals a day is healthier than eating one large meal (also better for maintaining energy levels). So, the Dilberto is almost perfect for that. I know I prefer to eat my meals every four hours, but my sleep patterns are a little different from most people's -- I won't get into that.
Anyway, these seem kinda cool,and I'm eager to check them out.
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These things are totally Vegan-compliant. How gay.
i actually tried to view the john wayne post, but i couldn't find it very easily.
... one of the benifits of logging on, anonymous coward :)
i had no problem finding your post, because it was a direct reply to one of my own
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I agree. Yeah, sure.. a lot of people get through medical school nowadays, etc.. without much in the way of nutrition, and i didn't mean that he was an expert in nutrition, just that he has about as much of an idea of what he's talking about as the "average" /. user (if there is such)...
Insert mind here.
Nisshin and Maruchan are nice sometimes, Sapporo Ichiban is nice more often than that (because of the oiliness), but nothing will ever beat Nong Shim or Samyang.
Go to a Korean store and look for Nong Shim brand Shin Ramyun, or Samyang brand Ibaeknyang, for good starter ramens. (Write the names down, if you don't want to attempt the pronunciations. =) Korean dried noodles put American and Japanese dried noodles to shame.
The secret: They use less salt, and make it as spicy as hell. Downside: It's seven times as expensive as American-made Nisshin or Maruchan, if you don't buy in bulk like I do. Buy in bulk (24 per box) and you can get them for 35-40 cents each.
Top off the bowl with 2-3 thin slices of SPAM (reduced-salt, if you like), added to the cooking pot of ramen one minute before removing from heat. Add kimchi too, if you like it, or canned corn if you'd prefer to sweeten the dish. Don't combine both kimchi and corn, though...it tastes weird.
BTFW, rar-men is Chinese in origin, not Japanese. Soba and Udon are Korean in origin. The Japanese popularized all of these to the West by making them easy to store and prepare, and dulling the flavor of the broths down to suit Japanese and Western tastes.
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It is still the dark of night.
And now, a day or so later, while good posts in newer articles await up-moderation, someone else has come along and marked it "overrated", putting it back at the +1 where it started, so a total of 4 moderators have each wasted a point squabbling with each other on a post that would have been just fine where it was originally. I think the moderation system isn't working out exactly as planned.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.