That's right, why would you want to buy UT which had 7 gameplay modes out of the box and bots that weren't either retarded or cheating, not to mention the easiest mod switching system of seen to date in mutators; when I could have the "innovative" perfection of Deathmatch or Team Deathmatch?
The modding community filled the gap eventually, but that's not points for Q3, that's points for all of the dedicated people who were upset by the lack of options in that fanboy love-fest.
Sorry if I sound bitter about it, but I can recount back to the days when PC Gamer stated, more or less in its review that UT was vastly superior to Q3 in every imaginable way, and then gave it a lower score and handed the editors choice to Q3 instead. They were flooded with mail but never really could explian whose bathwater they were drinking when they either wrote a review that was too good or a score that was too low. I suspect a rolled up wad of hundreds under the table and nothing more.
We're a small business so I should clarify that it's a SIMPLE IRA deducted before taxes rather than an after taxes 401(k).
So, I put in 3% of my gross, we'll say $10 just because round numbers are good for quick examples.
My employer matches it, in effect putting $20 into savings.
When I take it out I'd get the 74% (upon recollection I think it's closer to 35% rather than 26% but I haven't talked to the company financial guys in a long time) thats left, or 14.80.
Which is better than the $7.20(made up number) I would have taken home if I had just been paid that money.
If you had a generous employer who was willing to match your investments up to a certain point you can still come out quite a bit ahead.
Mine matches up to 3%, which is al I'm putting in becasue I'm a starving college student, but even if I took it out early and suffered the (I think the fund people said something like 26% taxes on it) I'd still be making money in the deal. Not compared to responsible investment, but certainly compared to hiding the money under my matress.
From what I hear there's also a devoted crew who drives around pushing car accidents out of traffic becasue of rampant poor, and even scarier, very drunk, driving.
Not to mention that you can use a mouse effectively with one hand while laying down.
I'm not saying people can't type one handed, but I think the performance hit is a little greater. I'm a lazy man and sometimes I need to stretch out for six hours at a time.
I'm glad you stated IRL, because I'm still on my first. I bought it in highschool when GTA3 came out and have pretty much left it on the entire time. Usually I just turn off the TV because I don't feel like having to restart it when I come back.
The only problems it's had is that it's really slow to load discs on startup, though not during play, and wont load some PS1 games at all anymore. It's also caked with dust, so I assume the lens might just be getting filthy.
TO be fair though, I do have a friend who blew his out in a few months. Of course he's also on his 2nd Xbox, which he refused to replace for years and finally did for DoA:BV. Maybe some houses just have bad voltage or something?
The best I've got is running a business out of your home that does tit for tat retaliation on organized crime businesses. They rough up one of your boys you rough up one of theirs. They get upset so they burn your house to teh ground. You escape and leave a note on the burnt out ashes that you'll be staying at the Middlebury Hotel in case your clients need to get a hold of you. The mobsters see the note and procede to burn the hotel to the ground as well.
Or maybe it's because they fund arsonists that burn labs and factories to the ground and use that lovely sounding boat of theirs to ram and destroy ships. Not to mentioned illegally boarding and occupying other ships.
Sorry I misread. However, my point remains the same, mercury in thermostats is becoming less and less common and even the largest three manufacturers as well as Maine and New England are making an effort to have all of them replaced with non-mercury alternatives.
http://www.mercurypolicy.org/
I found that with a few seconds of googling but it's got quite a bit of information from people with a little more vested intrest int eh subject than myself.
In the future I'll remember to retroactively email you with my software issues from four years ago so I can give you precise details rather then simply having it assumed to be my fault as well as being modded into oblivion for mearly experienceing problems with a program. Maybe my box was fux0red, maybe I got a bad build, mayby the file had some kind of weird Taiwanese formating. The point of the matter is that there are any number of other players who regardless of the aforementioned probable problems have never given me half as much drama, and that, as answered, is why I don't use quicktime.
From the great-great-great-grandparent post, the parent of the post I originally responded to: Which actually reminds of the idiotic smoking bans in wisconsin currently happening...
You may have to ask him, but other than the one in Madison and a proposal for one in Milwaukee, the smoking ban in Madison is the smoking ban in Wisconsin. Things may have been more general before that, but considering this is an article about RFID tags one could assume we're off on a bit of a tangent. I've stated repeatedly that I don't speak in general, and infact that I speak only in the limited case of Madison, WI.
"there has been an economic impact on Madison bars"
"as a Madison resident, I can say the Madison ban"
"given that the situation I'm discussing is a fairly limited situation"
"the smoking ban as it exists currently in Madison"
Except that no company would do it because of the environmental problems. That thermometer you own that still uses mercury has obviously been in your possession for quite some time, I know where I live I haven't seen mercury thermometers availible for sale in probably twelve years.
Case in point, I work for a comapny that, among other things, disposes of mercury. Right now we have probably just under a thousand cubic feet of gas/water meter componenets in our building. Each one has only the tiniest drop of mercury, sealed in a vial, sealed in a protective houseing. Every single one of them is in find working condition, the only problem? People don't want mercury by their houses.
Furthermore, and this may be different for private ownders such as ourselves, but I know when that mercury is shipped to us it's required by fedral regulations to be labeled as hazardous waste, and must be dated on arrival because under other guidelines(EPA most likely, though I've never actually asked) we're only allowed to store those devices on site for one year before we're responsible for making sure the mercury is properly processed.
To site an example, Quicktime has ended in a crash roughly 100% of the times I have used it, which is noteably a small figure because unless something absolutely incredible happens I refuse to even bring it onto a system. I'm not alone on that, many other have found that Quicktime is the only simple videoplayer software that can bring a beefy gaming rig to its knees trying to play a 30 second low-res clip with no apparent explaination.
The broken window fallacy doesn't really apply here, the teens didn't break the butchers window, they found out that they can no longer smoke in the butchers shop so they no longer sit in his shop al day eating donuts. The butcher is not seeing increaded business do to the money going to the kniter and the candlemaker, nor are they seeing any increases in business because of the additional disposable income that one would assume the teens have if they aren't eating donuts all day. The problem is that they are still eating and smoking, they're just doing it in their homes or in the next hamlet over, so although Donut shops(liquor stores) might be doing better(I haven't looked) the butcher is still getting hosed, and given that my entire point was that "the butcher is getting hosed" the fact that society as a whole may be better off is fairly irrelevent.
A few more words: The plural of anecdote is not data.
It is if those anecdotes make up a representitive sampling, or do you think that statistitians poll every single person in America for their pie charts? I wont say my methodology has been as precise as one hopes the professionals is, but having lived here for 21 years I can say I don't think the bars on the south side are so incredibly different that they bear no resemblence to the bars on the the east and northwest. The only exception to this is bars on campus, college kids love to get sloshed, and nothing short of prohibition would stop them from hitting the strip.
That's not logical. You just invented it out of thin air.
It's anecdotal, but made up it's not, and given that the situation I'm discussing is a fairly limited situation I would venture that what would be considered anecdotal if applied to "smoking bans in general" is pretty significant when applied to "the smoking ban as it exists currently in Madison" given that I'm in day to day contact with it as well as with people on both sides of the ban as well as bar ownders and patrons.
If you want to beleive that the smoking ban does not infact hurt the bars and that they want to get smoking back despite the fat that it hurts their business you're more than welcome to, but I think it's quite the jump given that every availible indicator points in the exact opposite direction. As a sibling post pointed out, everyone has said that the revenue drop would be sudden and then would come back once all the people who avoided bars because of the smoke started coming back, and low and behold it's been over a year and it simply hasn't happened.
Interestingly enough, although UW-Madison ranks #1 in the nation for hard liquor consumption and #2 for beer, as well as being ranked a top party school by Playboy it also manages to accell in academics as well as sports, year after year.
Well as a Madison resident, I can say the Madison ban did not infact exempt cigar bars until very recently, and it's done only through the application of a special permit and only if the bar makes a certain percentage of income directly from the sales of tobacco products. Furthermore, once the permit is granted you are allowed to smoke cigars only, cigarettes are still banned.
Also as a Madison resident, I can tell you that there has been an economic impact on Madison bars, it's not just a "red herring" as you call it. People are genuinely having their hours cut, not just in as waitstaff and bartenders but also in the people who service these these establishments. My cousin-inlaw owns his own business doing maintince on the air cirrculation systems of bars and restaurants and has seen his business fall dramatically as bar owners who would originally have their equipment cleaned and checked quarterly or bianually have had to drop down to anually to make back what their losing.
If you don't beleive that consider it logically: what was once the meetingplace of smokers who for whatever reason also tend to be heavy drinkers, a significant source of income, have now been replaced by a populace of non-smokers who drink far less, and far more cheaply(soda as opposed to beer). If you don't beleive the ban has had an impact ask yourself why bars in the surrounding suburbs now feature ad campaigns based solely around the fact that they allow smoking. And finally, the city at the time of the passing of the bill was willing to hear the complaints of business owners if they felt they could prove this had negatively impacted their business, the complaints were forthcoming, and the official stance is now (quoting Mayor Dave) "This is a public health bill, not an economic stimulus package."
Is that assumetion based on anything other than the idea that a progressive CS department who has no control whatsoever over what the university does would never support MS? I bounced around the Live site fore awhile and I couldn't find any actual solid information about who was switching.
However, although I don't know if they're switching, I know UW-Madison has been littered with flying for an expo about Live, and I don't know if that's a precursor to switching, or just the alternative because UW wouldn't agree, but I'd say Madison is far from a bible-belt, private university.
I've been making the same drive to work in rush hour traffic down the same route for approximately the past nine months. My trip includes 6 carefully timed lane changes so that any given time I am in the lane that is either least populated, the fastest average or both. My girlfriend leaves ten minutes before I do, and takes roughly the same routh I do for most of her trip to classes and without fail I catch up to, and pass her, every single time.
Additionally, on the way home there is less traffic, but the lights are less in your favor (I work second shift, so 10:30-11:30PM. However, but the same process I've learned the timing of the lights, which ones I'll hit at which speeds and which ones it pays to burn through the yellow or just wait because you'll hit the next one regardless.
WE're all smart people, all you have to do is watch and take note and everything becomes easier.
If he were a smarter asshole, and knew the traffic like everyone here seems to, he'd smoke you.
The traffic safety instructer always told us that speeding doesn't get you anywhere faster, but that's neither logically nor factually true. If you're not getting there any faster you're just not doing it right.
For instance Russia also had a revolution, but the circumstances and ideals were somewhat different from the US revolution. And look how that turned out, they moved from a monarchy that brutally oppressed its people and marginalized ethnic minorities to a proto-socialist one party dictatorship that brutally oppressed its people and marginalized ethnic minorites.
The French have replaced a heavily religious exploitative monarchy with an incredibly anti-religious, welfare-happy republic(through the stages of quite a few government overthrows, forgive my generalizations) and interstingly enough, the students and the urban poor are still taking to the streets. It's some kind of terrible cycle, and all revolution does is bring in a new ruler and reset the government overthrow timeclock.
That being said,
"Europe has been in some sort of war and turmoil for a thousand or more years. Deposing power structures and reorganizing. You might notice this difference of attitude, between nations that have been defeated and invaded during war, and those that have not. Most of the nations supporting the Iraq war were in this last category, and the ones that opposed it have had comparatively recent experience in the defeated category. Just a point about connections between war, revolution, attitude and cultural change."
I don't know how to reply to this because I don't know exactly where you're drawing the boundries of "recent" and "defeated". Take Germany and France for instance, as they're the ones I mentioned further up the thread. Germany lost WWII and was devided during the cold war, so I can see why they'd want to make the most of their new state. France on the other hand, though invaded didn't see Paris burned to the ground like Tokyo and they were on the side that eventually won. They have lost all their colonies though, most violently Vietnam and Algeria, but on neither occassion was France itself really host to the war.
Contrast this with Britain and Spain(for the time they were invovled) Britain also came out on top in WWII but lost their colonies later in the century. Spain remained nuetral in WWII though they had just gone through a civil war which makes it hard to say that Spain won or lost.
I need a little clarification on the argument before I can decide whether I agree or not. As for Vietnam, I think the negativity on Vietnam is a result of the same hard sell they had with the Persian Gulf and Persian Gulf II. Iraq and Vietnam never attacked us, and it's hard to get the American populace to agree with the "the invasion is needed to defend outselves" when it's not clear that that we needed to at all. Not to mention the sense of endlessness that comes with a war that has not stationary enemy. There are no frontlines to be pushed back or strongholds to take, there is only waiting and waiting as the death toll mounts. It's not a shifting attitude on war, it's a shifting face of war.
Although Lincoln himself was not in support of slavery, he also was not working towards emancipation. As stated in his speach in 1859:
"I say that we must not interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists, because the constitution forbids it, and the general welfare does not require us to do so."
As well as in his letter that I aluded to above from 1862:
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union"
It could still be said that he was an abolishionist posing as a moderate for the sake of politics, but all I said was that he publicly stated an apathy towards the freeing of slaves in the south, and that's certainly true.
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That's right, why would you want to buy UT which had 7 gameplay modes out of the box and bots that weren't either retarded or cheating, not to mention the easiest mod switching system of seen to date in mutators; when I could have the "innovative" perfection of Deathmatch or Team Deathmatch?
The modding community filled the gap eventually, but that's not points for Q3, that's points for all of the dedicated people who were upset by the lack of options in that fanboy love-fest.
Sorry if I sound bitter about it, but I can recount back to the days when PC Gamer stated, more or less in its review that UT was vastly superior to Q3 in every imaginable way, and then gave it a lower score and handed the editors choice to Q3 instead. They were flooded with mail but never really could explian whose bathwater they were drinking when they either wrote a review that was too good or a score that was too low. I suspect a rolled up wad of hundreds under the table and nothing more.
I played TFC and CS for years with a 1000+ ping until they introduced the 1.6 netcode which basically ended my ability to play period.
It's funny to see how far connections have come since then, and what people now deam as unacceptable.
We're a small business so I should clarify that it's a SIMPLE IRA deducted before taxes rather than an after taxes 401(k). So, I put in 3% of my gross, we'll say $10 just because round numbers are good for quick examples.
My employer matches it, in effect putting $20 into savings.
When I take it out I'd get the 74% (upon recollection I think it's closer to 35% rather than 26% but I haven't talked to the company financial guys in a long time) thats left, or 14.80.
Which is better than the $7.20(made up number) I would have taken home if I had just been paid that money.
If you had a generous employer who was willing to match your investments up to a certain point you can still come out quite a bit ahead.
Mine matches up to 3%, which is al I'm putting in becasue I'm a starving college student, but even if I took it out early and suffered the (I think the fund people said something like 26% taxes on it) I'd still be making money in the deal. Not compared to responsible investment, but certainly compared to hiding the money under my matress.
From what I hear there's also a devoted crew who drives around pushing car accidents out of traffic becasue of rampant poor, and even scarier, very drunk, driving.
Shows how much schooling has destroyed my memory. Either way, it's a simple check box during installation.(As of 4.03 anyway)
Not to get it confused with other notable "opt-out" programs like CD clubs or microsoft error reporting.
Not to mention that you can use a mouse effectively with one hand while laying down. I'm not saying people can't type one handed, but I think the performance hit is a little greater. I'm a lazy man and sometimes I need to stretch out for six hours at a time.
The adware in deamon tools is opt-in volountary last I had seen it.
They also have one of the most active support forums I've ever seen.
I'm glad you stated IRL, because I'm still on my first. I bought it in highschool when GTA3 came out and have pretty much left it on the entire time. Usually I just turn off the TV because I don't feel like having to restart it when I come back.
The only problems it's had is that it's really slow to load discs on startup, though not during play, and wont load some PS1 games at all anymore. It's also caked with dust, so I assume the lens might just be getting filthy.
TO be fair though, I do have a friend who blew his out in a few months. Of course he's also on his 2nd Xbox, which he refused to replace for years and finally did for DoA:BV. Maybe some houses just have bad voltage or something?
But what about people who like guns, drugs, pedophilia, democracy, and Google?
Is the moon still open?
Your analogy is also crap.
The best I've got is running a business out of your home that does tit for tat retaliation on organized crime businesses. They rough up one of your boys you rough up one of theirs. They get upset so they burn your house to teh ground. You escape and leave a note on the burnt out ashes that you'll be staying at the Middlebury Hotel in case your clients need to get a hold of you. The mobsters see the note and procede to burn the hotel to the ground as well.
Or maybe it's because they fund arsonists that burn labs and factories to the ground and use that lovely sounding boat of theirs to ram and destroy ships. Not to mentioned illegally boarding and occupying other ships.
Sorry I misread. However, my point remains the same, mercury in thermostats is becoming less and less common and even the largest three manufacturers as well as Maine and New England are making an effort to have all of them replaced with non-mercury alternatives.
http://www.mercurypolicy.org/
I found that with a few seconds of googling but it's got quite a bit of information from people with a little more vested intrest int eh subject than myself.
In the future I'll remember to retroactively email you with my software issues from four years ago so I can give you precise details rather then simply having it assumed to be my fault as well as being modded into oblivion for mearly experienceing problems with a program. Maybe my box was fux0red, maybe I got a bad build, mayby the file had some kind of weird Taiwanese formating. The point of the matter is that there are any number of other players who regardless of the aforementioned probable problems have never given me half as much drama, and that, as answered, is why I don't use quicktime.
From the great-great-great-grandparent post, the parent of the post I originally responded to:
Which actually reminds of the idiotic smoking bans in wisconsin currently happening...
You may have to ask him, but other than the one in Madison and a proposal for one in Milwaukee, the smoking ban in Madison is the smoking ban in Wisconsin. Things may have been more general before that, but considering this is an article about RFID tags one could assume we're off on a bit of a tangent. I've stated repeatedly that I don't speak in general, and infact that I speak only in the limited case of Madison, WI.
"there has been an economic impact on Madison bars"
"as a Madison resident, I can say the Madison ban"
"given that the situation I'm discussing is a fairly limited situation"
"the smoking ban as it exists currently in Madison"
Except that no company would do it because of the environmental problems. That thermometer you own that still uses mercury has obviously been in your possession for quite some time, I know where I live I haven't seen mercury thermometers availible for sale in probably twelve years.
Case in point, I work for a comapny that, among other things, disposes of mercury. Right now we have probably just under a thousand cubic feet of gas/water meter componenets in our building. Each one has only the tiniest drop of mercury, sealed in a vial, sealed in a protective houseing. Every single one of them is in find working condition, the only problem? People don't want mercury by their houses.
Furthermore, and this may be different for private ownders such as ourselves, but I know when that mercury is shipped to us it's required by fedral regulations to be labeled as hazardous waste, and must be dated on arrival because under other guidelines(EPA most likely, though I've never actually asked) we're only allowed to store those devices on site for one year before we're responsible for making sure the mercury is properly processed.
To site an example, Quicktime has ended in a crash roughly 100% of the times I have used it, which is noteably a small figure because unless something absolutely incredible happens I refuse to even bring it onto a system. I'm not alone on that, many other have found that Quicktime is the only simple videoplayer software that can bring a beefy gaming rig to its knees trying to play a 30 second low-res clip with no apparent explaination.
The broken window fallacy doesn't really apply here, the teens didn't break the butchers window, they found out that they can no longer smoke in the butchers shop so they no longer sit in his shop al day eating donuts. The butcher is not seeing increaded business do to the money going to the kniter and the candlemaker, nor are they seeing any increases in business because of the additional disposable income that one would assume the teens have if they aren't eating donuts all day. The problem is that they are still eating and smoking, they're just doing it in their homes or in the next hamlet over, so although Donut shops(liquor stores) might be doing better(I haven't looked) the butcher is still getting hosed, and given that my entire point was that "the butcher is getting hosed" the fact that society as a whole may be better off is fairly irrelevent.
A few more words: The plural of anecdote is not data.
It is if those anecdotes make up a representitive sampling, or do you think that statistitians poll every single person in America for their pie charts? I wont say my methodology has been as precise as one hopes the professionals is, but having lived here for 21 years I can say I don't think the bars on the south side are so incredibly different that they bear no resemblence to the bars on the the east and northwest. The only exception to this is bars on campus, college kids love to get sloshed, and nothing short of prohibition would stop them from hitting the strip.
That's not logical. You just invented it out of thin air.
It's anecdotal, but made up it's not, and given that the situation I'm discussing is a fairly limited situation I would venture that what would be considered anecdotal if applied to "smoking bans in general" is pretty significant when applied to "the smoking ban as it exists currently in Madison" given that I'm in day to day contact with it as well as with people on both sides of the ban as well as bar ownders and patrons.
If you want to beleive that the smoking ban does not infact hurt the bars and that they want to get smoking back despite the fat that it hurts their business you're more than welcome to, but I think it's quite the jump given that every availible indicator points in the exact opposite direction. As a sibling post pointed out, everyone has said that the revenue drop would be sudden and then would come back once all the people who avoided bars because of the smoke started coming back, and low and behold it's been over a year and it simply hasn't happened.
Interestingly enough, although UW-Madison ranks #1 in the nation for hard liquor consumption and #2 for beer, as well as being ranked a top party school by Playboy it also manages to accell in academics as well as sports, year after year.
Atleast we're not from Minnesota...
Well as a Madison resident, I can say the Madison ban did not infact exempt cigar bars until very recently, and it's done only through the application of a special permit and only if the bar makes a certain percentage of income directly from the sales of tobacco products. Furthermore, once the permit is granted you are allowed to smoke cigars only, cigarettes are still banned.
Also as a Madison resident, I can tell you that there has been an economic impact on Madison bars, it's not just a "red herring" as you call it. People are genuinely having their hours cut, not just in as waitstaff and bartenders but also in the people who service these these establishments. My cousin-inlaw owns his own business doing maintince on the air cirrculation systems of bars and restaurants and has seen his business fall dramatically as bar owners who would originally have their equipment cleaned and checked quarterly or bianually have had to drop down to anually to make back what their losing.
If you don't beleive that consider it logically: what was once the meetingplace of smokers who for whatever reason also tend to be heavy drinkers, a significant source of income, have now been replaced by a populace of non-smokers who drink far less, and far more cheaply(soda as opposed to beer). If you don't beleive the ban has had an impact ask yourself why bars in the surrounding suburbs now feature ad campaigns based solely around the fact that they allow smoking. And finally, the city at the time of the passing of the bill was willing to hear the complaints of business owners if they felt they could prove this had negatively impacted their business, the complaints were forthcoming, and the official stance is now (quoting Mayor Dave) "This is a public health bill, not an economic stimulus package."
Is that assumetion based on anything other than the idea that a progressive CS department who has no control whatsoever over what the university does would never support MS? I bounced around the Live site fore awhile and I couldn't find any actual solid information about who was switching.
However, although I don't know if they're switching, I know UW-Madison has been littered with flying for an expo about Live, and I don't know if that's a precursor to switching, or just the alternative because UW wouldn't agree, but I'd say Madison is far from a bible-belt, private university.
Exactly.
I've been making the same drive to work in rush hour traffic down the same route for approximately the past nine months. My trip includes 6 carefully timed lane changes so that any given time I am in the lane that is either least populated, the fastest average or both. My girlfriend leaves ten minutes before I do, and takes roughly the same routh I do for most of her trip to classes and without fail I catch up to, and pass her, every single time.
Additionally, on the way home there is less traffic, but the lights are less in your favor (I work second shift, so 10:30-11:30PM. However, but the same process I've learned the timing of the lights, which ones I'll hit at which speeds and which ones it pays to burn through the yellow or just wait because you'll hit the next one regardless.
WE're all smart people, all you have to do is watch and take note and everything becomes easier.
If he were a smarter asshole, and knew the traffic like everyone here seems to, he'd smoke you.
The traffic safety instructer always told us that speeding doesn't get you anywhere faster, but that's neither logically nor factually true. If you're not getting there any faster you're just not doing it right.
For instance Russia also had a revolution, but the circumstances and ideals were somewhat different from the US revolution.
And look how that turned out, they moved from a monarchy that brutally oppressed its people and marginalized ethnic minorities to a proto-socialist one party dictatorship that brutally oppressed its people and marginalized ethnic minorites.
The French have replaced a heavily religious exploitative monarchy with an incredibly anti-religious, welfare-happy republic(through the stages of quite a few government overthrows, forgive my generalizations) and interstingly enough, the students and the urban poor are still taking to the streets. It's some kind of terrible cycle, and all revolution does is bring in a new ruler and reset the government overthrow timeclock.
That being said,
"Europe has been in some sort of war and turmoil for a thousand or more years. Deposing power structures and reorganizing. You might notice this difference of attitude, between nations that have been defeated and invaded during war, and those that have not. Most of the nations supporting the Iraq war were in this last category, and the ones that opposed it have had comparatively recent experience in the defeated category. Just a point about connections between war, revolution, attitude and cultural change."
I don't know how to reply to this because I don't know exactly where you're drawing the boundries of "recent" and "defeated". Take Germany and France for instance, as they're the ones I mentioned further up the thread. Germany lost WWII and was devided during the cold war, so I can see why they'd want to make the most of their new state. France on the other hand, though invaded didn't see Paris burned to the ground like Tokyo and they were on the side that eventually won. They have lost all their colonies though, most violently Vietnam and Algeria, but on neither occassion was France itself really host to the war.
Contrast this with Britain and Spain(for the time they were invovled) Britain also came out on top in WWII but lost their colonies later in the century. Spain remained nuetral in WWII though they had just gone through a civil war which makes it hard to say that Spain won or lost.
I need a little clarification on the argument before I can decide whether I agree or not. As for Vietnam, I think the negativity on Vietnam is a result of the same hard sell they had with the Persian Gulf and Persian Gulf II. Iraq and Vietnam never attacked us, and it's hard to get the American populace to agree with the "the invasion is needed to defend outselves" when it's not clear that that we needed to at all. Not to mention the sense of endlessness that comes with a war that has not stationary enemy. There are no frontlines to be pushed back or strongholds to take, there is only waiting and waiting as the death toll mounts. It's not a shifting attitude on war, it's a shifting face of war.
Although Lincoln himself was not in support of slavery, he also was not working towards emancipation. As stated in his speach in 1859:
"I say that we must not interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists, because the constitution forbids it, and the general welfare does not require us to do so."
As well as in his letter that I aluded to above from 1862:
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union"
It could still be said that he was an abolishionist posing as a moderate for the sake of politics, but all I said was that he publicly stated an apathy towards the freeing of slaves in the south, and that's certainly true.