GAIM supports Jabber pretty well. In fact with a gool tool like GAIM it makes little difference what protocol you use, the interface is consistent. And this also happens across platforms.
"Because the reality is, there's not a whole lot of difference between their search [engine] and anyone else's."
We don't need Google to be different then the other search engines, as long as it returns the most relevant results:)
It's not like anyone supports one at the expense of any other format/flavour.
I'm dying to see a website that supports all the nine incompatible RSS versions + RSS 3.0 + ATOM. Well... you can always be the first to do it.
The truth is that supporting one or two formats will always be done in at the expense of all the other "flavors". The real problem with RSS is really not technical, rather "administrative". Who can convince this guy that the world would be better off without his new and incompatible RSS version? Nobody (not even Microsoft:D ) will ever keep up with every guy deciding to write the next RSS version. This is why ATOM is so cool with IETF tailoring its specification. This assures that the new versions will be coherent and (as much as possible) backwards compatible. RSS vs ATOM is really like pre-W3C-HTML vs HTML 4. Yes, W3C released other specifications (XHTML) but they were never ment to make HTML 4 obsolete. Nothing could.
And before you dismiss this too as FUD, I will give you the links: Windows Presentation Foundation: The framework and engine for unification: "[...] the Windows Presentation Foundation will be available for Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and all future releases of the Windows operating system." Windows Communication Foundation: Taking Web services to the next level: "As a core pillar of Windows Vista and with support for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003, Windows Communication Foundation will radically simplify how the next generation of connected systems is built on the Windows platform."
We will live and we will see. Not that I really care. It is obvious that many of the Vista features will be available for XP, making it even less likely for Vista to have a real impact even if it ships this year.
You guys sound like Vista is going to ship sometime soon. I wonder if they will make it in 2006? 2007? Or MS fains will have to wait till 2008 to be able to run the newest and coolest windows. With MS-RSS support, of course.
RSS with its 9+1 incompatible versions is hardly a standard for anything. It is a huge pain for a implementer to decide which versions to support. Microsoft decided to support (one version of) RSS for now because it has been around for longer and we know how reticent is Microsoft to everythig new. So, for Microsot, RSS is of course better then nothing.
However, it is just wrong to say that the format war is over and RSS has won. Atom is a coherent standard now being finished under the umbrella of the IETF , and it is just now just starting to catch. And it will, because many of us have had enough RSS bullshit. We already had a disscussion with the guy behind RSS 3.0 which convinced me that with guys like him writing the RSS specs (just for the love of writing), RSS is REALLY DOOMED.
Dr. Brian Greene (born February 9, 1963) is a physicist and one of the world's foremost string theorists. As of 2003, he is a professor at Columbia University. Born in New York City, Greene was a child prodigy in mathematics. At the age of five, he could multiply 30-digit numbers. His skill in mathematics was so great that by the time he was twelve years old, he was being privately tutored in mathematics by a Columbia University professor because he had surpassed the high-school math level. He entered Harvard in 1980 to major in physics, and with his bachelor's degree, Greene went to Oxford University, in England, as a Rhodes Scholar.
His book The Elegant Universe: Superstrings, Hidden Dimensions, and the Quest for the Ultimate Theory (1999) was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in nonfiction. He also occasionally enjoys acting, helping John Lithgow with scientific dialogue for the series "Third Rock from the Sun," and he had a cameo role in the film "Frequency."
Dr. Greene is the author of The Elegant Universe, a popularization of superstring theory and M-theory, and winner of The Aventis Prizes for Science Books in 2000. The book talks about and opens an argument on how Calabi-Yau manifolds, as the multi-dimensional (11D, 16D, 26D) points, comprise our space-time. The Elegant Universe was later made into a PBS television special with Dr. Greene as the narrator. His second book, The Fabric of the Cosmos, is about space, time, and the nature of the universe. Interesting aspects covered in this book include non-local particle entanglement as it relates to special relativity and basic explanations of string theory. Brian Greene's follow-up to The Elegant Universe is an insightful examination into the very nature of matter and reality. Topics covered include spacetime and cosmology, orgins and unification, along with an exploration into reality and the imagination.
Actually that makes little difference. The thing I am worried about is that their server might accidentally be too close to my place and I will see an atomic mushroom.
How can it be backwards compatible when it alters and removes existing features?:
1.A list of alterations of the RSS 2.0.1 format:
1. There must be at least one channel containing at least one item in any RSS document
2. The RSS document MIME type is "application/rss+xml"
3. The content of the <language> element is now not specified by the W3C or Netscape documents but rather a compilation according to the RFC1766 (using the ISO639 required language prefix and the ISO3166 optional country suffix)
4. The content of the <rss> element's "version" attribute is now set to "3.0" and the rules for its interpretation have been set
5. The <language> and <copyrights> element can be placed under the <item> element as well
6. The <guid> element can be placed under the <channel> element as well
7. The <pubDate> element has been moved under the <item> element and has been given a new purpose [...] 3. A list of removals from the RSS 2.0.1 format:
1. The <clouds> element
2. The <skipHours> element
3. The <skipDays> element
4. The <textInput> element
5. The <source> element
6. The <pics> element
7. The <guid> element's optional "isPemraLink" attribute
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GAIM supports Jabber pretty well. In fact with a gool tool like GAIM it makes little difference what protocol you use, the interface is consistent. And this also happens across platforms.
"Because the reality is, there's not a whole lot of difference between their search [engine] and anyone else's." :)
We don't need Google to be different then the other search engines, as long as it returns the most relevant results
Microsoft will propose to work with Slashdot for showdown Windows vs. and other OSS OS on the planet. May the best OS win :)
For 400 you can buy a good 17'' LCD.
It's not like anyone supports one at the expense of any other format/flavour. ... you can always be the first to do it.
:D ) will ever keep up with every guy deciding to write the next RSS version. This is why ATOM is so cool with IETF tailoring its specification. This assures that the new versions will be coherent and (as much as possible) backwards compatible. RSS vs ATOM is really like pre-W3C-HTML vs HTML 4. Yes, W3C released other specifications (XHTML) but they were never ment to make HTML 4 obsolete. Nothing could.
I'm dying to see a website that supports all the nine incompatible RSS versions + RSS 3.0 + ATOM. Well
The truth is that supporting one or two formats will always be done in at the expense of all the other "flavors". The real problem with RSS is really not technical, rather "administrative". Who can convince this guy that the world would be better off without his new and incompatible RSS version? Nobody (not even Microsoft
And before you dismiss this too as FUD, I will give you the links:
Windows Presentation Foundation: The framework and engine for unification: "[...] the Windows Presentation Foundation will be available for Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and all future releases of the Windows operating system."
Windows Communication Foundation: Taking Web services to the next level: "As a core pillar of Windows Vista and with support for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003, Windows Communication Foundation will radically simplify how the next generation of connected systems is built on the Windows platform."
We will live and we will see. Not that I really care. It is obvious that many of the Vista features will be available for XP, making it even less likely for Vista to have a real impact even if it ships this year.
RSS 2.0 and Atom 1.0, Compared
For example RSS is being upgraded even at this moment.
You guys sound like Vista is going to ship sometime soon. I wonder if they will make it in 2006? 2007? Or MS fains will have to wait till 2008 to be able to run the newest and coolest windows. With MS-RSS support, of course.
RSS with its 9+1 incompatible versions is hardly a standard for anything. It is a huge pain for a implementer to decide which versions to support. Microsoft decided to support (one version of) RSS for now because it has been around for longer and we know how reticent is Microsoft to everythig new. So, for Microsot, RSS is of course better then nothing.
However, it is just wrong to say that the format war is over and RSS has won. Atom is a coherent standard now being finished under the umbrella of the IETF , and it is just now just starting to catch. And it will, because many of us have had enough RSS bullshit. We already had a disscussion with the guy behind RSS 3.0 which convinced me that with guys like him writing the RSS specs (just for the love of writing), RSS is REALLY DOOMED.
.... but can it really be slowed down almost four times? Under which circumstances?
Wake me up when trans-atlantic ping times (sending actual packets with random data) dive below the time dictated by the speed of light.
;)
Are you really that tired?
... they are not using RSS 3.0.
PowerPC? Isn't that a dead architecture? I think that AMD should steal ideas regarding Cell chips.
Norvig is The Man.
And it comes as no surprise that he is working for Google.
Dr. Brian Greene (born February 9, 1963) is a physicist and one of the world's foremost string theorists. As of 2003, he is a professor at Columbia University. Born in New York City, Greene was a child prodigy in mathematics. At the age of five, he could multiply 30-digit numbers. His skill in mathematics was so great that by the time he was twelve years old, he was being privately tutored in mathematics by a Columbia University professor because he had surpassed the high-school math level. He entered Harvard in 1980 to major in physics, and with his bachelor's degree, Greene went to Oxford University, in England, as a Rhodes Scholar.
His book The Elegant Universe: Superstrings, Hidden Dimensions, and the Quest for the Ultimate Theory (1999) was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in nonfiction. He also occasionally enjoys acting, helping John Lithgow with scientific dialogue for the series "Third Rock from the Sun," and he had a cameo role in the film "Frequency."
Dr. Greene is the author of The Elegant Universe, a popularization of superstring theory and M-theory, and winner of The Aventis Prizes for Science Books in 2000. The book talks about and opens an argument on how Calabi-Yau manifolds, as the multi-dimensional (11D, 16D, 26D) points, comprise our space-time. The Elegant Universe was later made into a PBS television special with Dr. Greene as the narrator. His second book, The Fabric of the Cosmos, is about space, time, and the nature of the universe. Interesting aspects covered in this book include non-local particle entanglement as it relates to special relativity and basic explanations of string theory. Brian Greene's follow-up to The Elegant Universe is an insightful examination into the very nature of matter and reality. Topics covered include spacetime and cosmology, orgins and unification, along with an exploration into reality and the imagination.
Actually that makes little difference. The thing I am worried about is that their server might accidentally be too close to my place and I will see an atomic mushroom.
Here is the MirrorDot link for the Slashdot horde.
... I really have a strange feeling about their web server :(
"I mean, after Maps [maps.google.com] and Earth [Google Earth], it was pretty blatant where we were going"
... by buying the Earth, of course.
Sure it is blatant where Google is going. They will give a whole new meaning to the phrase "Google Earth"
How can it be backwards compatible when it alters and removes existing features?:
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1.A list of alterations of the RSS 2.0.1 format:
1. There must be at least one channel containing at least one item in any RSS document
2. The RSS document MIME type is "application/rss+xml"
3. The content of the <language> element is now not specified by the W3C or Netscape documents but rather a compilation according to the RFC1766 (using the ISO639 required language prefix and the ISO3166 optional country suffix)
4. The content of the <rss> element's "version" attribute is now set to "3.0" and the rules for its interpretation have been set
5. The <language> and <copyrights> element can be placed under the <item> element as well
6. The <guid> element can be placed under the <channel> element as well
7. The <pubDate> element has been moved under the <item> element and has been given a new purpose
[...]
3. A list of removals from the RSS 2.0.1 format:
1. The <clouds> element
2. The <skipHours> element
3. The <skipDays> element
4. The <textInput> element
5. The <source> element
6. The <pics> element
7. The <guid> element's optional "isPemraLink" attribute
Source:
http://www.rss3.org/rss3lite.html#appendices_diff
- http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/rss30
- http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000574
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rss3/
Yahoo:- http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000574
- http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/rss30
- http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/02/04/inc
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How about thirteen different versions of RSS?