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Google Instant Messenger Coming Really (or Not?)
bach37 writes "Google is rumored to launch its own instant messenger tomorrow." Other sources are reporting that talk.google.com is running jabber. Of course we've also had stories about all this being rumors
Didn't Google explicitely claim they were not making an IM service?
Why would they make one anyway? Doesn't really seem to fit with their current strategy unless they tie it into gmail somehow.
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It will have to tie into the new sidebar (update?) and will probably link to gmail accounts - which means that it could be BETA only? In any regard, I'm excited for it, pending its real.
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configured talk.google.com to redirect to www.google.com/talk. Its currently an empty page, but perhaps that means something.
so what? Do we really need another chat client? I'll get excited when/if the feature list ever gets published.
Apparently this will feature VOIP as direct competition to Skype.
Now we can have these big public wanking session with Google, too!
This is another case of a company trying to do everything. I just don't get it. Is Google going to move into consumer electronics next?
...will it run on BeOS??
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Yet Another Instant Messanger.
Just what we need!
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I don't see what Google has to gain in doing this, surely it would be an incredible uphill battle for an IM released by them to capture any significant portion of the market against the established clients running over MSN's and AIM's protocols.
They would have to come up with something pretty interesting to cause enough buzz to get people to switch I think.
Well, tomorrow will tell by the looks of things, one way or the other.
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Even if Google Talk doesn't turn out to be revolutionary, Tinker said, "I don't think that matters." As much as I enjoy Gmail, and Google Maps, I feel like this statement is a bit ridiuclous. Gmail was the first instance that I was exposed to that felt like a very well-constructed desktop application over the web. And Google Maps, with the available API and easy navigation I also felt was somewhat revolutionary. Are we getting to the point where because we like their other products we don't expect anything from them? I think that's counter-productive.
I wonder if Google will monitor what is being chatted about and throw up relevant banner ads.
With google trying to dominate searching, news, usenet, email and now chat? At what point in time will they become cliche'?
How about getting some of your current products out of beta and into production before putting out new stuff?
I was always taught to finish what you start...
If this rumor is true, and I run my own Jabber server, can my users connect through my server into Google's users? Are directory and filesharing services mergeable, to appear to my users like I'm part of Google (authentication, etc)? Which IM gateway that gets my users onto the most IM networks, with the largest aggregate user reach?
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Does the world need another IM client? Most geeks tend to use Jabber or Proteus (Mac) to consolidate all of their chat clients into one. Will a standalone really make much of a difference?
What happened to Google innovating and setting themselves apart? Suddenly they get an IPO and they feel they have to mimic the rest of the industry. If Google wants to be another Yahoo, MSN or AOL that's fine but I was really hoping for something new and different out there, not just a rehash of our current offerings with a cleaner UI. Clearly investors kill innovation.
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And I just run into somebody on the street proclaiming that the world might fall to pieces tomorrow (actually claiming that the world will end tomorrow, and then asking for a donation. I failed to see the short term use of that donation, so I just wished him luck).
Anyway: Come back tomorrow and see if google really launched a IM. And if they do, then please not in google earth style or any other google windows only products. If they really want to play along with the big boys, they should make it crossplatform. It is what they owe their current status to!
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No, sorry.
But if it is, I'm kicking AIM. Although I doubt it'll happen, as Google specifically said it wouldn't.
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They grabbed a lot of hotmail users at the time when they launched gmail. How is this any different? Microsoft grabbed tons of MSN Messenger users making ICQ's market share take a HUGE dive at that point (almost everyone I know switched over for example).
Why would they have nothing to gain and why would it be difficult? They offer something better (faster connections, less intrusive ads [since it would be supported by premium VoIP services], easier than remembering a number, more video features, more voice features, linking with cell phones, VoIP, more games, etc) and people will move to it. Better yet, support other messenger services (a-la Trillian... they can do this with Jabber for example) and why would anyone use MSN? There isn't really a barrier to entry. One geek will drag over their friends, and repeat.
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This seems to be a throwback to the 1990's portal strategy of "stickiness." That is, trying to keep users in the offered services as long as possible in order to market to them. I would be more inclined to believe in a Google messaging system if it was designed around the concepts of search. Google can already offer search via any IM service using a bot to return results just as they do via SMS. Google Desktop can search IM logs from any client that saves logs in a text file. So what's the advantage of yet another IM service? Sure it might raise the profile of Jabber but I don't see that much helping the situation. Unless they are going to unveil some form of speech archiving and searching, I don't see what use this will be.
They currently have a tool for every popular form of communication on the web accept IM. Blogger, Gmail, Google Groups, and now Google IM.
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Hello is an IM program in it's own right, owned and operated by Google.
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I doubt you're going to get many people to switch from AIM.
The amount of users on AIM is the main pull to get it... If you want to talk to someone, most likely their IM program of choice is AIM. You're not going to switch, unless everyone you talk to switches as well... and I don't sense a mass exodus coming anytime soon.
Go to a college campus, and nearly everyone has a screen name on AIM... I know competition is good, but unless all these IM programs can talk amongst each other, I don't see anything overtaking AIM anytime soon.
One more beta product!
Why cannot software companies release products for wide
acceptance only when products are mature?
Let's just hope they settle on an open and published IM standard (new or existing) so it will be easier to shoehorn into Gaim. That way, I can add it to my 4 IM logins I already use centrally.
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...except it comes with an "I'm feeling lucky" option. What does that do?
Hint: don't use it unless you like pina coladas and getting caught in the rain...
The current state op IM's used is not what a broad majority of people want. (atleast here in europe, where msn and in much lesser sense icq is used).
MSN is primarily targetted at people under the age of 20, with it's excessive use of winks/smiley's/etc. Also it runs on windows only.
ICQ seems to be dying because AOL is supporting it's own messenger first.
That leaves alot of open space for people who want a native cross platform clean messenger without too much bells and whistles. Google's abilities and broad acceptance might be the only one which can break the monopoly of MSN (and yahoo/aol in the US).
There is ofcourse also the clone messengers, but most of them are having their own issue's which make them unsuitable for mass usage.
I am starting to wonder if the two Google mottos -- "Don't Be Evil" and "Make Money" -- are being quietly switched in their ranking of importance.
How does Google continue to turn heads with most of their other projects? Innovation. If their product can out-perform AIM or MSN, then it too will turn the heads of the web savvy...and that includes students. Not saying that Google has this up their sleeve, but if they do, I don't doubt they will launch something with a twist or value-add for the users.
You see the look on my face, and yet you keep talking.
Not in Europe. I'm reliably informed MSN Instant Messenger's market share here is over 90%, compared to (I think) less than 50% in North America.
I like the fact that for years we were pushed around by Microsoft and their products. Now someone else big is on the block and pushing back. Who knows, maybe this one can update itself without a reset.
"In fact, if I were Google, I would be working on Google Browser. Then they could deliver ads whenever someone was browsing the Internet!"
You mean Opera? That's what it does. Serves Google ads as soon as you open the browser, and then for each page you visit.
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A lot of people (including me) have been reporting that gmail is down -- 500 internal server error (whereupon gmail pithily suggests you cross your fingers. In the immortal words of Donald Rumsfeld, this is "not helpful.")
Anyway, if they truly ARE lauching an IM service, then it would almost certainly be linked to gmail, and hey, guess what -- gmail is having problems.
Integration difficulties, maybe?
(Assuming again that this is truly going to be a 'Google IM' and it's not just some bizarro misunderstanding,) talk.google.com is running Jabber. If they're going to launch the service tomorrow, that's what they're going to launch with. It's not like they're just running Jabber today and then tomorrow they're going to switch it all up on us with some crazy proprietary protocol.
And... since Jabber is 'an open and published IM standard'... what have you got to worry about?
Also, i don't know a whole ton about Jabber or how Google works internally, and i'm not suggesting that it's true or false, but what are the chances that maybe talk.google.com is just like a corporate Jabber server? Like for Google employees to talk to each other?
This time is not a rumor!
Try it for yourself. Send a string like:
to talk.google.com, port 5222. It will respond with a valid RFC 3920 (Jabber) stream!
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... and the rest are using ICQ (since that's what we started with). AIM is, as far as I know (Sweden), totally unknown.
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Jabber servers can have bridges (gateways [1]) to other IM networks. Currently all big IM networks can be reached this way. Not all without hassle, but it is possible.
iirc, iChat is also some sort of extention to the Jabber protocol.
I hope google will do this, based on a true OpenSource/Standard implementation. This will the hopefully take of big, like gmail did. And they will probably come up with a funky webinterface to it.
Still many are using hotmail/MSN in my country (holland) and i rather see these to things disappear.
[1] http://www.jabber.org/user/userguide/#usegateways
...more people use yahoo messenger than MSN?
That can't possibly be right, can it?
H.
PS: I hope this is true. Would be interesting to see what spin the google think tanks can put on the IM front.
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/050823/markets_stocks_befo rethebell.html?.v=1
Google Inc. (GOOG) rose nearly 1 percent before the bell on Tuesday after the Los Angeles Times reported the Web search company will launch its own instant messaging system
Shares of Google rose $2.54 to $276.55 on the Inet electronic brokerage system, from a $2.74.01 close on Nasdaq.
Boy oh Boy, that's almost $1 BN ($0.767 BN to be exact) jump in market cap. Tin foil hats and Conspiracy theorists, jump right in.
its big news.
Now i know how google is running at $274/share, and with PP ratio 120!
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I would like a really popular IM based on jabber to happen. I see a lot of people asking why. If they have the bandwidth and want their name to get even more popular, why not?
Google Instant Messenger Protocol? I think that name has been used already, so hopefully not...
This type of behaviour points to one possible thing, a coverup, possibly link to Roswell or the Kennedy assinination. Google is quite obviously in secret negotiations with the the american goverments leninism wing. Furthermore a new instant messenger client would be a sort of new enigma machine with which it could secretly communicate with the Kremlin, and thus lead to a second Cold War. Also using open source client further cemments the fact that they are not for the Red White and Blue only the Red. So in conlusion we all need to drag out our hammer and sickles and submit, because resistance is futile
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90%? Nah. You forget ICQ - it's still pretty big over here - I would guess > 10% at least, mostly consisting of techies though. But you do have a point - AIM is in the promille range in Europe...
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I doubt many of my friends would go through the hassle of switching even if Google Talk turns out to be far superior; an IM program is little use without people to talk to.
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We don't need Google to be different then the other search engines, as long as it returns the most relevant results
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Sounds Silly, but I wouldn't mind a "Google Internet Suite" type thing, that had maybe a client that incorprated google desktop, picasa, IM and gmail as well as search all in one. maybe have some desktopish options like archiving locally some gmail, linking between photos/emails/IM's and files, would definitly be powerful.
The symbol for "billion" is "G". I know it's somewhat confusing in this case ("G$? Is that Google currency?") but "BN" just looks reeeeeeeally odd.
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IM grammar, hehehe...heh....*sigh*
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Since it's called talk.google.com I wonder if this will also be the enterance into VoIP services? I would think Google is in a good position to cash in on their brand and start a VoIP company using the IM services as a stepping stone to gain members.
But I guess we will see tomorrow or when ever they release it.
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Well, mod me down for this if you like, but why on earth do we need more Instant Messaging programs? I mean there's already ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber, MSN, AIM, and probably a shedload of others.
Why would this being a Google product make it any better than those out there? And who will convert the masses which just use MSN because Microsoft supplies it along with Windows?
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If Google use Jabber, users of the Google service will be able to message anyone on AIM, and anyone on MSN.
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GAIM was a rather large recipient in the summer of code stuff google did this summer.
I already use gaim on windows, because I was fed up with having aim, yahoo, and MSN, Just to talk to a few people on each. They all baloon to 20+ MB of ram each while running. Gaim never reaches 20 while providing me with the same functionality.
The only problem is the file transfer and A/V chat features. When I want to use those I fire up the official client.
Here is hoping that google just throws some programmers at gaim and then rebrands it.
In Switzerland too. Of all the people I know, 1 person uses MSN, a few use jabber and all the rest uses ICQ. But then, most people I know are techies/cs students, so that might not be representative...
MSN is primarily targetted at people under the age of 20, with it's excessive use of winks/smiley's/etc. Also it runs on windows only.
A supported version of MSNM for OS X has been developed by Microsoft for the Mac, and has been available for quite some time now.
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Actually, I use AIM, but for one reason only: iChat. iChat has such a fantastic integration with OSX and such a rich feature set that I very likely won't use anything else. I've tried the other Mac/Windows clients, but none of them do the real-time video/audio as well (if at all) while having the widespread user base. That, and I have AIM on my phone, handheld, and every machine I touch (usually pre-installed). It is fairly ubiquitous.
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I think the range of emotes will make or break any new IM client, because without that, the masses will not switch, though most of us will just add another acct to Gaim.
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It is a service that will allow you to make free calls to anywhere in the world from your PC, as well as IM. Other companies such as OneSuite already do it for pennies a minute. Why not make it free? The software could be funded by AdSense.
For YEARS and YEARS Microsoft Messenger has sucked the big one with file transfers. It drives me INSANE how one person in my list will get 53KB/s and somebody down the block will only get 3.8KB/S. Firewall? No. No firewall. No explanation. Full out open ports with all lights green and it runs like snot in the arctic.
I thought MAYBE switching to Trillian would give me the benefit of ICQ without the ads (which it did) and MSN without the transfer blunders, but alas, nay. Although I have stuck with Trillian, it's not the complete solution as the software can only do as much as the protocols allow.
So.. giving me a sweet efficient communication system that can be accepted by the masses, not have advertisements flying at my face in animated GIF glory, and NOT give me a dejavu of a 33.6 Diamond Supra modem, Count Me In.
Talk will probably include some sort of VOIP thing. And at some point in the future they might do something which involves more networking (the earlier mentioned wifi-net comes to mind, how about VOIP'ing everywhere and anywhere?), because ARIN just gave them two fresh AS-numbers.
I for one, welcome our new google.com overlord.
No really, doesn't ANYONE see what google is doing? They own your searchs, they own our e-mail, they are trying to own all of our connections too - either through their "accelerator" service, or by sponsoring free wifi connections across the country. Google, wants to know what we are doing - they want the data so that they can target, model and predict our behavior. I'm not sure that it's such a great thing that one company have all of this information in one place, or it might be just me...
Called Google Talk is it?
That's just a synonym for slashdot these days.
And it works, but it doesn't have all the features of MSN on Windows (e.g. no support for video, but many other issues as well).
If you have Tiger, it's probably preferable to find a Jabber server with an MSN conduit and use iChat. Some of the benefits are that you can archive and search for conversations, including through Spotlight, you can use the one client for most IM systems, and it integrates nicely with the address book.
What more could anybody want?
(well, support for iChat-MSN video chat, and a Skype conduit maybe - ok, so there are a few things more we might want, but it's still pretty good).
When will Google stop copying everything Microsoft does!
I also interviewed there. They had all these whiteboards, with pictures of sharks with 'lasers' attached to their heads, and doomsday devices. And they were showing all their business plans to all the interviewees.
Although seriously, providing a payment service would be a good direction for them.
1. Play catch-up and roll out various services (news, mail, etc)
2. Roll out a Jabber-based IM client
3. Gather the account passwords of your competitors users
4. Once you have reached a critical mass of users, change all users MSN/Y!/AOL/ICQ passwords.
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Here in Europe AOL / AIM is much less common, people are far more likely to have a Yahoo! or MSN Messenger login. AOL got in first by bundling an instant messanger in their client long before MS introduced Windows Messenger to everyone in 2001, but their hegemony is restricted to where they were a natural first choice as an ISP.
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
And consider that if a private corporation can do this, the governmnet, with its equal or superior means, probably knows even more about you.
Hmm. Actually, put that tinfoil hat back on and staple it to your head.
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Actually, sorry, this is too good to miss. If google start a payment service, what will they call it?
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Google cash!
If this makes Jabber more popular, i'm all for it. I dream of a world with an unified, standart and open IM system...
GayPal?
GPal?
Gayments?
Ugh, nothing works.
Maybe just Google Payments
Google Cash.. cache... bah, humour is lost on you.
And when they start a google men's magazine - you got it - GMale.
That's all they called it. A "new communication tool." That in mind, it's more likely that they'll be releasing a new Google Translator. Apparently they've been doing a lot of researching on how to make a translator based on existing translations instead of a per-word dictionary lookup.
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Jabber has server modules that connect you to most major networks. That's the real push for Jabber is that it bridges the gap. Until M$ blocks Google's IPs (heh), Google could technically put a bridge in there and make connections to Microsoft's servers for every user.
-M
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Okay, some time ago, Gmail changed form using your "Gmail account" to using your "Google account," so it's a safe bet us gmail'ers already have our Google IM id. However, how cool would it be if you could "save your chat history" or even a specific conversation to a "GIM Chats" label in your Gmail account, which you can then access and search like any other gmail "conversation?
The potential to integrate your IM conversations into a web based store has NOT been investigated, despite Yahoo and MSN both seemingly having the capability to do so.
It would seem logging and storing ALL IM chats would likely be a waste of disk space as most of it is generally disposable, but I've had several chats I would like to refer back to with important URLs and phone numbers, etc.
How in friggin' hell is hello.com a porn site?
I tried using my gmail account name and a bad password. I got the "not allowed" response. I don't think there's anything to the "not allowed" vs. "bad passwd".
I notice a number of replies that show users are ready to charge off an use anything Google makes without thought to implications. We are talking about a company that has already indexed everything on the web, they want your email, they want you hard drive and now your instant messaging. Doesn't this scare anyone? Isn't there some serious reservation about privacy concerns for your own stuff? Worry that law enforcement might use it in some ugly way?
This is a company that has already blackballed a news organization that pointed out how easy digging out the dirt on its own executives is.
"Don't be evil" on a plaque is not enough protection against the most advanced data mining operation ever built. Regardless of intent, Google is what we always worried the feds would build and the online community keeps giving them more.
Mercury News has an interesting article about the new Google service. From the article:
This ``intelligent sidebar'' learns as it goes. It monitors Web searches and Internet surfing habits to deliver more relevant information and put it on a small screen that sits on the computer desktop.
Are we going to have another bout with Google about privacy concerns again?
But this is too much to ignore.
Attention Google: BUY TRILLIAN!
You will have cross chat platform compatibility for AIM, AOL, ICQ AND MSN (and even IRC). Take out what you don't need and put it into your GDS 'Sidebar'. Trillian is a really great tool that is under utilized (perhaps because is doesn't offer an interface that ist QUITE as easy to use as its competition. I think the folks out Google could easily hurdle this obstacle - I mean it's what put them on the map - Simplicity. If anything I think Google would be reluctant to do this because they are very immaculate when it comes to software / technology and I think there is a lot of pride at stake when deciding to keep a software project in-house rather than purchasing it.
Can anyone think of an exception (where Google has 'acquired' 3rd party tech)?
Also, for those who are not aware - Trillian Pro can also handle custom RSS feeds with the simply addition of a plugin (it can also be equipped with a spellchecker, Winamp - pop-up / playlist viewer, POP-3 mail checker (including gmail), weather, stocks and a ton of other features.
Getting more out of a program that you are already running (without gobbling up all your system resources) is a great way to go! It's also nice to not have to worry about whether you want / need to download and install the particular client software for each of these chat mediums just to communicate with 1 or 2 people.
Sorry to pitch Trillian so much, but I think IM is the really next step (for Google) and Trillian just makes the most sense given the 'functionality / feature rich delivery' that Google seems to be focused on.
If google can do with a chat client, what Picasa did for photo management, then I am there never looking back. AIM + Deadaim is alright, GAIM is alright except for a few miserable quirks (like not being able to make the window as thin as AIM to hide it off to the side) I just know somewhere deep down there's a slicker way of making a chat client out there - and if anyone can do it it's Google.
In my experience, MSNs market share in South America beats the rest easily - i'm pulling numbers out of thin air, but from what i've seen i'd say that 7 out of 10 IM users down here use MSN. AIM is second, and ICQ a distant, distant third.
There's actually a few public Jabber services already that have installed Jabber's MSN transport. If Google engineers are as good as they seem, they'll have no trouble at all to let you talk to your MSN friends.
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I'm not sure if I'm thinking about the same protocol/servers/etc... but I remember there being this big thing about ICQ moving to OSCAR b/c AOL bought it. (Or something like that)
than they should reconsider there security policy. If it is internal it should only be available from the internal network. For external employees there is vpn. Everything else is kind of insane.
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The AACS key is NOT 0xF606EEFD628B1CA427BEA93A9CA9773F
So whenever any other organization forces ads down our throat (cnn, espn, yahoo.. EVEN /.) we throw a hissy fit. We use adblock and supress popups.
However, the sheer fact that Google might force us to have ads in a 'google IM client' seems like a good thing(tm)?
What a bunch of hypocrits... If I'm chatting about the boston redsox, I do not want ads informing me of the latest deals at the Boston Hilton.
It would be so sweet if they offered a Jabber server. That would help get Jabber services some more attention from mainstream users, and provide a much more reliable service than I've got from other servers. Especially if they have gateway support!
I think people would be pretty alarmed if as soon as they started talking about pizza on the telephone, an advertisement for a local pizza place appeared on the LCD screen of their phone base without their asking. In that context, it sounds downright creepy. There may be a legal distinction between phones and IM services, but I think most people would say there's no material moral difference.
This seems like a slippery slope. It seems a short step from offering ads based on what people are saying to taking on what people are saying (and reporting those stats to third parties). Certainly the use of "usage stats" are critical to Google's interface to purchasing an AdWords campaign.
And what if the "things people are talking about" are collected with the intent of not being individually identifiable, but in some cases do turn out to be identifiable. This problem has come up with zip codes. People sometimes track them thinking they are anonymous. But some 9-digit zips identify a particular street address, and if only one person lives there, saying that "all people in this zip code have the following buying habits" is the same as naming the person who lives there and saying he has those buying habits if the name can be accessed by reverse lookup. In the case of income surveys by zipcode, this can expose income for certain individuals and, for example, injure their bargaining position when searching for a job or selling a house.
.. and if that's not enough to make you nervous, there's always the full text search issue ... ;)
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I agree, another damn IM. Thankfully there's Trillian. Now I'd just like Trillian to gobble up XFire's gaming support so I can rid myself of that very useful -- but horrible programmed (cpu intensive, crashes, leaks) piece of shit.
MSN has:
- reliability issues where it will go down for whole days or mornings at times- happening maybe every couple months for year. Google could use their high-availability knowledge to keep this lifeline alive
- integration to PSTN. If Google IM is always open, it's an easy transition to call family all around the world cheaply without the need to switch home phones and get a separate service (Skype for example).
- Fewer ads. Google would make its money on PSTN services, video conferences, features like '3-way calling' and 'conference calling' that need the network to merge several streams together or manage them. Google could make the ads smaller and less intrusive
- Fewer full-screen emoti-blips *hehe*
- file sharing, music sharing, resource sharing.
There is tons of untapped potential that M$ isn't doing. M$ is instead adding in full-screen emiti-blips (if I wanted a program to take over my whole screen when I'm working on something else, I would run a game.. It's happened before... typing in my credit card number and a MSN window takes focus... good thing I don't look at the keyboard when I type).
IM isn't just IM anymore. IM is about communication, information sharing, etc. All of Google's services are INFORMATION (search, maps, etc) or COMMUNICATION (gmail, talk) based- they're just adding more to the mix.
-M
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Has anyone considered that talk.google.com might be google's IM system for its employees?
If google teamed up with a respectable live Linux distro, bundled in all it's web products (perhaps even created it's own web browser) and published it free, you would have the makings for a new net-centric operating system. All you need is a PC with an internet connection and a CD rom drive and you have an instant internet terminal. More advanced applications would be available through web-based services, some having fee based subscriptions. Internet Cafes would have exclusive 'Google Terminals' with access to Google only features. I would not be surprised in the least if this is the direction Google heads in the next few years.
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Presumably they would be using a VPN for internal communication.
My Google account does not work for logins on talk.google.com, but the response I get back seems legitimate, so here's to hope..
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Fedora Project Contribut
Their service may be treated as one if you have really dirty friends though. ;-)
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I interviewed with Google a while ago, and noticed several users had lines like:
..), so perhaps they were already using (an internal version of) Google IM?
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in their mail subjects. No mention of a network (aol, icq, msn,
Someone who mails with Google folks else noticed this?
My favourite: "Gabber"
More boring possibilities:
Google Chat
Google Messenger
Gtalk
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Yet another damend IM prototocol..
Lets hope they are going to choose jabber, as the poster is thinking..
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Most students I know are more likely to be on Yahoo, which easily outstrips AIM in terms of features, but the point stands.
Most people I know don't switch IM clients. You add them to the ones you already use. So AIM has the largest user base because they were first. I guess the question is, how many IM clients is too many, and will a client like Trillian obviate the intended utility of their product?
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OK calm down, Mr. Trillian.
If indeed it is using Jabber then this is exactly what IM has been wanting...a first-class internet protocol. And Google carries enough weight to nudge their competitors (aim, msn, yahoo) to adopt the standard as well. Let's hope.
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I wonder if Google will monitor what is being chatted about and throw up relevant banner ads...At what point in time will they become cliche'?"
Um dude, that ship sailed ages ago... say when Google became a verb on the TV show Buffy the Vampire Slayer circa 2000 during dialogue between Buffy and Willow, where willow claims that she will "Google it".
As for "will they give me ads based on what I chat about" if they are releasing an IM client, could you possibly see any reason they would not use the same approach that has proven so successful with everything else they do? (ie: search, gmail, gmaps, etc etc etc)
As for mutterings of VOIP being tied into the rumored IM client... were I an overlord at google, I'd see it as necessary, unless they have some other gimmick to draw people to their service, instead of other, existing ones.
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Is how centralized they make everything. The Internet as we know it really started because of USENET. The first thing that people started paying for was for a reliable NNTP gateway. The great thing about USENET was how decentralized the architecture was. You could run your own. You could hook into others. You could define exactly how you wanted to hook into others.
The absolutely crucial thing it didn't have was search. There wasn't an easy way to search inside an existing feed or set of feeds, much less archives. Some clients did it, but never archives, and never in a comprehensive way *across* multiple groups.
So, what does google do with the concept of USENET? Make it into groups.google.com, which is fine for reference, but it sort of killed USENET in the sense that there was never a proper interface for collaboration inside the groups. One thing that has never translated well into the web "paradigm" is threaded messaging. There are many reasons for that, but a lot of it has to do with HTTP and how it's request/response, and also how hard it is to read a lot of messages at once inside a web log.
Anyway, so Google's vision of the future is that all the world runs off of one big Google mainframe in the sky. They can take that vision and shove it. If they really wanted to take a page out of Microsoft's book, or at least one of the good pages, they would create an open/free, realtime search stack that other people can install on their own servers. Notice, I didn't say create a closed appliance that an enterprise can install on its network. It would be very similar to how DNS works, but then based on real-time searching, bots, queries, parsing, filtering, notification, etc.
Then, Google might try to provide some "root" services, but not in a way that compromises my privacy, authenticity, and dare I say, sovereignty as a unique digital identity. Google is way, way, way, way worse than Microsoft in terms of how little they actually focus on empowering people. At least Bill Gates had the concept of a "personal computer". It's about time Google stepped up and offer not "personalized search" but a "personal search".
If they launch an IM based on something like GAIM from source forge http://sourceforge.net/projects/gaim/ where people could access all buddies from all the different services using only one program they would grab the market share real quick.
I'd ditch the msn the minute the Google Messenger is launched!
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Can anyone think of an exception (where Google has 'acquired' 3rd party tech)?
You mean, like Blogger ?
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In case anyone is interested, MSN messenger (including webcam support) has been able to run on Linux (under Wine) since version 6.2:
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Also, basically every messenger client is currently working on voice and video support. This includes GAIM, aMsn, Kopete, and KMess (I know for certain of these, there are probably others).
It'll come, it's just gonna take a little time that's all.
I think you're dead on, this is how they provide a value-add proposition, they need to archive and search. With the ever-increasing Gmail storage, this does make sense. Personally, I'm hoping they released GDS 2.0 separately (which looks just like an IM client without the IM) because Google Talk is going to be an online app. But who knows?
I just hope that if Google does release an instant-messenger client, that it will use decent encryption by default.
They can claim that they are not working on IM today. And tomorrow they step out and say, "Say HELLO to the world beyond IM! This is not IM anymore! You can blah blah..."
They don't lie. We don't know. That's marketing.
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They say it's the same protocol, and I guess if I knew anyone with an AIM identifier (whatever that is) I could try adding them to my buddylist :) I still run ICQ myself though, with the same UIN as I've had since -96, if memory serves me correctly. Offline sending and message history are two of the huge things that prevented people from migrating to MSN for a long time (still?).
If Google launched something based on Jabber with bridge functionality between networks, I might be tempted to switch though.
it's in my head
"I guess the question is, how many IM clients is too many, and will a client like Trillian obviate the intended utility of their product?"
IMO, the ideal solution is to just have one network/protocol for IMs. Have one network, and many different front ends. Sort of like e-mail...
That way, the user will be able to choose the front end that's best for them. And it will ultimately result in better client side software, since the competition between companies will force companies to make a product that's better than the other guys.
If they do in fact use the Jabber protocol, then quite clearly there will be OS requirement, simply any native program that can run Jabber, be it a client supplied by Google, or Gaim, or even Trillian.
If it is internal it should only be available from the internal network.
But then how would they receive messages from other (non-Google) Jabber users?
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Google is insinuating itself into everything . The maps thing is pretty awesome (has a few kinks to work out, though), and Froogle will eventually trounce ebay and all of it's competitor-wannabes, even if it's slow getting started. Google Earth is truly mindblowing (even in its currently primitive state). And now, Google has a customizable 'personal' page. I would not be suprised to wake up some morning and discover that I now live in GoogleWorld. I am very much impressed that they are taking over without doing much in the way of advertising. If anything, they un-advertise (consider the fact that most of the folks posting here today did not realize that Google already has an IM service). They just release a feature, announce it to a few folks, and watch it spread like a virus.
Should I cheer them on, or be very afraid?
Here's a very interesting and well-done flash presentation on that subject.
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Google may create an instant messenger but it doesn't really matter. I am very cynical about how committed google is to these new ventures (gmail etc). People are very unlikely to change from there current service (msn, yahoo, aol etc). Google makes it money from search and will continue to do so. These new ventures just send its competitors scurrying to catch up, wasting time and money on ajaxing their interfaces and other such crap. I think that google may be a source of innovative new things in the future that will change the face of computing. But a measly instant messaging client is unlikely to do this, however much better than the competition. The real future for google lies in creating new monopolies, this cannot be accomplished by competing with existing technologies but by creating new ones.
Why do I want yet another IM again?
gaim works nicely managing the windows for the different IM's but its another username, another password, and another set of friends who dont have Yahoo, MSN or AIM, etc, etc, etc.
Maybe you should look up the word "anecdotal." I'm giving a first-hand account of what I saw there, not anecdotal evidence. Dumbass.
What do you mean, dirty?
Oh, I see, maybe you mean shameful.
I would say:
The service may be treated as one if you have very open and adventurous friends.
Isn't that better?
(I'll cut you some slack if you're a Christina Aguilera fan... but not much slack)
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Knowing google, your convos will probably recorded, voice recognized for relevant words, and have relevant voice advertisements during pauses in the convo. Maybe people would finally start telling google no if all their voice conversations were recorded.
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Trillin Basic, as my understanding goes, isn't able to utilize this plugin...only those who shelled out 29.95 USD for Trillian Pro get to connect to Jabber services. I do wish that they made it available to the basic users as well, seeing as how having a Pro account is no longer worth it (no new skins for 3.x, no really decent plugins, etc)...oh well.
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If Google does release a fully Jabber-compatible IM service, I wouldn't be surprised if that pushes Cerulean Studios to include Jabber in the next release of Trillian Basic.
What about G-Money? It's got street cred, and Google needs more of that.
Where I live I can say quite surely that over 95% of the people use ICQ and the rest use MSN. My list has over 500 people and I only have like 3 people on AIM, all others are on ICQ. None on Yahoo and none on MSN.
But that's not really a surprise since I live in Israel, where the ICQ network was originally developed by Mirabilis.
It's all about the first critical mass. If your friends use ICQ, you will too. In the USA, AOL pushed AIM really deep, while other networks were relatively small. It got to a critical mass. If your friends all use AIM, you will too.
Obviously I don't use any "official" clients. I use MirandaIM for all the networks, and it's very lightweight (W32 only tho).
A google IM won't work if they push ads. People are already used to chatting with no ads. They won't move, especially if their friends aren't there too.
If they have some transparent multinetwork, web based client, it might work tho.
^_^
I set up a google group months ago just for this moment... http://groups-beta.google.com/group/google_im (Google Groups)
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM .20050823.wgoogletalk0823/BNStory/Business/
" "It means other people and developers will be able to add value to our network by being able to add this to computer games, productivity applications and anywhere else they want," said Georges Harik, director of product management at Google. The new Google program features a basic user interface with few graphics, much like the main Google search site. It does not spawn pop-up windows or display ads like America Online's Instant Messenger. "We'll have an uncluttered interface that allows you to search over your contacts pretty easily," Mr. Harik said. "It just stays out of your way unless you want to connect to someone." Google Talk, which is being released in a beta test version, works only on PCs running Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Eventually, the company plans to release a version for Apple's Mac OS X. Google Talk also requires users to have an account with the company's free Gmail e-mail system. Gmail previously was available only to those invited by a current account holder, but now Google is opening up registration to anyone in the United States. And unlike Internet phone services such as Vonage and Skype, Google's voice service does not support calls to the regular telephone system. Mr. Harik also made clear that Google has no intention of trying to become a popular bridge to the other major instant-messaging providers. "We're not going to do anything like force other networks to interoperate with us," he said. "We're not going to arbitrarily break into their protocols." "
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for Google to have their own IM client with VOIP. Google and yahoo! are locked in a oneupmanship atm. We should all be excited about a new protocol as Google is quick to please its customers so any feature requests we give would be quickly added possibly.
As much as I'd like to switch to a Jabber client from MSN, that lack of interoperable webcam is the deal breaker.
There's some prosprective thigns like GAIM-W, but nothing usable for a long time most likely.
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You mean Slashdot? That's what it does. Serves Google ads as soon as you visit the website; cleverly disguised as articles. Oh, but only when there isn't Apple 'news' to write about; like Steve Job's gets a haircut or something.
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Another service claimed as an innovation by Google that pre-dates MY consciousness with at least 5 years.
Americans strike me as the least able people in the world to criticize what is right in front of their fucking eyes. Google has nothing ("NOTHING") that Yahoo didn't already have 5 years ago. Just because idiot users have to be educated one function at a time does not make the company either innovative or even clever. This balloon is set to blow, and all it needs is a little prick.....
Yes, MSN is first (as was ICQ some time ago). But I'd bet that Yahoo is second (at least in Argentina). But I also don't have strong numbers, just what I see on internet cafes (cibers as we call them here).
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Why would they be using VPN for internal communications?
Tons of smaller companies use regular AIM (or other private IM clinets) for internal communications. Many larger companies have their own private Jabber servers set up using a Jabber client so employees can only communicate with users on their own server, I think VPN could work, but if the communications is just meant to be short little conversations (AIM style) a prviate Jabber server would be ideal compared to VPN. But for normals business practices (meetings, code sharings, demos, etc) VPN would be used.
Plain and simple, google is a direct marketing firm. They are just as slimey imo as an other direct marketing firm. That means they collect every bit of information the can on the customer. They intrude as often as possible in order to sell more ad space, and they generally become annoying over time.
As much as I like their services, in the long run Google will "be evil". Just wait for the stock to drop to normal levels and the company has to really work to move ads.
Just say no.
I just installed the new google desktop and looked at the "one-time index progress" page. In addition to showing index progress for email, web history and files, there is an entry for "chats".
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IM would fit right in to thier new and improved Google Desktop, ..
"Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." I think an integrated Hello IM service would fit right in with their mission, to share photo's and exchange cheesy emotions with our convorsations to one another.
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I'll tell you why. Here in the United States, AIM is a monopoly. Other places, MSN is a monopoly. What Jabber does is makes it impossible to have a monopoly. And that's what we need: decentralization.
Why should I trust a monopoly like AOL? The answer is I shouldn't. That's why, while I recognize that nothing will replace the strangle hold of AOL and Microsoft, it is my sincere hope that some day something does. And hey, it won't happen if we, as individual users, make the switch and get the word out. Until then, multi-protocol clients will have to do.
Google + Jabber = Goober?
I know it sounds cliched, but Google tries really, really hard to not be evil. I mean that in a very literal way. Go to the googleplex and you'll actually hear those words. You can practically smell the good spirit there. I'm serious.
Google is a highly altruistic company. Why is that hard to believe? Have the DoubleClicks of the world permanently jaded people into thinking that it's impossible for a company to actively try to be good to people? That's pretty sad...
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Google Talk is a word game which uses Google to complete a sentence. http://www.answers.com/topic/google-talk
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From my awesome experience with one in particular, perhaps it would be better if they funneled development money into a pre-existing IM client. Maybe with enough it could be renamed:
Google's Awesome Instant Messenger, anyone?
Will there be a linux port? Please say there will be, we have already got the shaft when it came to gmail. I know there are some 3rd party apps, but they all royally suck!
Leave it to Microsoft to save the day!
Do you know what VPN is? Virtual Private Network. Google probably (and by probably I mean the odds are infinantly close to 1) has a VPN going, so all they do is just allow access to their IM server only through VPN connections. For example, an employee connects via his home computer, and it maps the 1.0.0.* range of IP's to the VPN (since they are unused) and the IM server is located at lets say 1.0.0.69. Putting it on the VPN has no disadvantages, and provides the advantage of security.
If it's internal then they don't want to. It would be for employees to talk to eachother, and to talk with people that work at home etc (with a VPN)
>Oh, I see, maybe you mean shameful.
;-)
I think you guessed right, but he probably meant "shameless".
Boy does that bring back some memories... I had this nasty girl one time. She loved for me to talk open and adventurous to her. It really turned her on.
Not necessarily. My company runs a Jabber server for internal messaging and it's accessible from outside our network. Authenticated users can connect and talk securely over SSL, non authenticated users can't connect. What's the problem?
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>> They grabbed a lot of hotmail users at the time when they launched gmail.
They've grabbed a lot of hype, that's for sure, but it did not translate into the actual users of the service. They're still below 5M users, while Hotmail has 100M+ users.
I do agree that Google is technically far superior to Hotmail, but as far as the number of actual users, they're not there yet, and at this point I don't know if they will be.
Note that as of 10.4 iChat is actually a Jabber client as well as an AIM client. Prior to this, iChat used the Jabber protocol for Rendezvous chat but now you can use it with any Jabber account as well.
I'm on a campaign to get people to switch from AIM to Jabber and so whenever I use iChat, I'm logged in to both services. If this rumor is true, it might be a nice big push in that direction.
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There is already a word game with the same name. Copyright suit pending?
Reference : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk_(game)
Examples:
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http://relet.net/gtr/
Although the wikipedia also has another definition for "Google Talk" recently added:
Google Talk is an instant messenging system that the search engine company Google is rumored to be developing. On 23 August 2005, the LA Times reported that Google will release an IM system on 24 of August. Other news reports have noted that Google has created a Google Talk subdomain, and that the company already has an active Jabber server.
Webb Interactive holds a stake in Jabber technology.
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It's going to be a complete messaging system. You won't need to be logged on to GIM to get your messages. I could IM while you are not logged in and it will deliever to your gmail box. Gmail will function as a mail box and Answering Machine. GIM will also be able to pullin your emails and the messages in the google groups you have joined. -k "That's my theory and I'm smart"
Google has been known (Google Personalized) to listen to the users and create something according to what they want. What's to say that all of this hype about GoogIM (lol) hasn't made them change their minds on releasing an IM client?
I dont understand why Google doesn't just make its own brand of computers. That way they could brainwash us from the get-go instead of having to make us download things first.
But seriously, they will have everything a normal PC does soon. Maybe they should. Or maybe they should start making their apps for Macs and linux as well.
Just a thought.
Ah, hypocricy, thy playpen is America.
I think the author has missed the subtext of the Amazon logo, that being the A-->Z indicator.
GoogleZon with its O-->Z doesn't really work....
If this is real, I just hope they have a port 80 HTTP option for those of us stuck behind corporate firewalls.
Fire up GAIM and jabber into talk.google.com with your Google Account login and password. This is the real deal.
The great part about jabber is that, assuming that they will connect to other servers (the s2s compenont of jabberd), they don't have to have gateways/transports... You can connect through any transport on the jabber network :)
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Who cares about Trillian? There are lots of free/open source IM clients that work just as well. Adium is a good one for OS X.
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i was wondering. if gmail archives email, will IM chats be archived as well?
Miranda (http://www.miranda-im.org/) is still free (GPL, $0), but I like the native Windows interface. Future versions may be cross-platform. Its plugin system is virtually limitless.
It also used the open TOC protocol (with fewer features) for AIM rather than the reverse-engineered OSCAR, which up until recently seemed to have fewer problems. Just recently AOL seems to have changed something, so some users are getting a TOC2 plugin working. The basic stuff is working, and the author is quickly adding more to it.
You don't hear the Red Cross going on in their quarterly report about "doing no evil" do you?
does jabber on windows
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i successfully logged in using my gmail.com account and sent an IM to another gmail.com user- i had to type their "gmail" email address in the send IM function of gaim, but it otherwise appears to work just fine.
Try it.. your username needs to end in @gmail.com and it will work. if someone wants to message me using their server, go ahead: matt.yoheATgmail.com
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I've just managed to connect using my Gmail details and iChat (on Tiger) so there is something there .. now if only I had someone to actually talk to :(
Yup.
Fire up Gaim.
Add Jabber account:
User: Gmail login
Pass: Gmail pass
Works here right now, at least.
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Sorry if someone else already posted this: I was able to logon to talk.google.com using GAIM and actually send and receive messages with other users.
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Check it out: [url]http://www.google.com/search?q=jabber&sourcei d=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 &client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official%5 B/url%5D
If you search for Jabber, there are additional options there now that were *not* there a few hours ago, such as "Use Jabber for IM". There are a few other changes, like a search for "CNN" suggests CNN Finance and other links under the link to CNN Homepage. I have never noticed these before.
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I'm able to get in using a jabber client (exodus) using my gmail.com ID. Looks real.
A greasemonkey userscript does something like that. Another turns hyperlinks into google redirects. Quite evidently, some people do want google to succeed, and slashdot is probably a locus of such people.
Can't say I hold that view myself, but I guess the reasoning is that if Google apparently dominates over the internet advertising industry, it may convince other more irritating advertisers to adopt Google's business model - i.e. less obtrusive, and more user friendly ads. Generally less of the evilness. I guess others support google for its simple existence as an opposition to certain Borg-like companies with their own search engines....
I pointed my jabber client to talk.google.com with the JID gmailusername@gmail.com, auth'd with my gmail password and am online. Even added a user to my roster. Word up! -nicfit
I believe you should check your information. Only AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo, and IRC are available on Basic. This page clearly shows that Jabber - along with Rendevous and Groupwise - is not available on Basic.
Confirmed it works. For GAIM users you need to click on "show more options" in the modify account window, then set the screen name to the username part of your gmail address (the part before the @) and the server to gmail.com. Set the password to your gmail password, then further down set the connect server to talk.google.com. Leave "Use TLS if available" checked, and the other two options unchecked, and leave the port set to 5222. Resource works fine if left set to Gaim. Set the alias to whatever you want.
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Yup. I had the same problems you did.
er.. None.
Heck, i'm logged in right now, but i don't think any of my gmail buddies are j-heads, so my list will remain a null set until some of them upgrade.
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do you also have it set up so your users can message users on other jabber servers?
note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
ah well. Looks like you still need an "invitation" :-(
Your free mailbox gets deleted after a month of non-use. So my guess is, not many.
Log into Gmail, click on settings and towards the bottom of the page you'll see this... New! Get Google Talk so you can call and send instant messages to your friends for free. "Get Google Talk" is a link to a page with a 404 error, but it shows they are planning to release it.
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Currently no, but that's mainly because we have no use for it at the moment. When I set it up I only enabled the feature set we needed and left everything else off until a need arises. I would have no problem enabling inter-server communication if there was a reason for it.
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i think google should just "buy out" GAIM. and then changed the meaning to something like Google Ads Instant Messaging or marketing.
I can confirm google im server works...i have used gaim to connect. if you type talk.google.com into your browser is comes up with a google 404 not found....somthing is going on however.
i wonder how many people are already using it...
someone mod this up, it works and i'm connected using gaim.
Did you all note that google talk uses an open codex for voice chat
http://www.google.com/talk/developer.html#codecs
I hope that this fact will spark some extra life into the promising gaim-vv project
http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
you can download google talk IM at http://www.google.com/talk/
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I can also recommend
http://www.yabber.org/
works much like icq.
Yeah, trillian is not cross platform? It's windows only.
Yeah that's really the only draw back :(
The moderator had a hate on for that post. I think he misinterpreted me.
Thanks for the info on technology purchases Google has made. Blogger is definitely one and there is another as well (i'd have to look it up again).
Cheers.
Just downloaded it today. (So yes, Google has their own IM client despite the rumors to the contrary.)
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