I am so sick of their elitism, their idealism, their purity-over-functionalism. I cut my teeth on Debian and I thought it was a great platform to learn on, but it has no place in the workplace.
If you are saying there is no place in the enterprise for these ideals, You haven't look around enough.
There are many of us who not only believe in these ideas but support them exclusively.
You are free to use what you like but saying I think Debian needs a wakeup call. It should either be abandoned or made correct; is the most idiotic statement I've heard since joining the movement. (And that is saying something.)
Debian Servers are rock solid and have been since way back. Many a workplace run debian servers without users/admins even noticing the purity/idealism you speak of.
(I spoke too soon, New idiotic statement)difficult enough without having the personalities of brilliant yet insignificant(to me) developers holding back shipping dates
Wow. Just Wow.
Ok guys, we cannot have these discussions any longer, Jaxon6 (You know the guy who pays nothing, contributes nothing and bad mouths us on the intarweb) needs us to deliver for him now. I know freedom, trademarks, stability, blah, blah, blah, Jaxon needs to use firefox but doesn't know how to install it. Fix it. Jaxon6 has spoken.
I remember those ideals I had a decade ago when installing Debian from floppy. Good to see you Got over those Childish notions of freedom and equality bub. You are a Man now.
As a developer let me be the first to say Fuck You and have a good day.
When I First heard about the "Partnership", I was heard loudly exclaiming "Let the Whoring Begin!"
Which caused quite a few turned heads at the office. Took a little longer than I expected, but its good to know I wasn't far off base.
Here's a back of the envelope calculation from the electronics company I work at.
TCO:
New Windows Machine Hardware 650
OS 279
Software 5,000-10,000
HOURS of installing and patching clicking OK, Next, Finish, Reboot, rinse, Repeat. Oh and Don't forget drivers.
New Linux Machine Hardware 650
Debian OS 0
Software 0
20 Minute install, unattended apt-get Updates.
Software includes Electronics Layout, Office, FlowCharter, Development tools( IDE, Compilers, Programmer, UML, Documentation), Solid Modeling, Project Management, Image editing, I could go on all day.
In my office there is a Windows 2000 Server, A WinXP Pro Right beside a Debian Development machine and another as Lamp Server.
Administration of the two windows boxes (Not to mention the 15 others) justifies my position as MIS. Administration of the two Debian boxes can be done remotely once a year in minutes.
I'm no big city, fancy accountant but I can say unequivocally (can you?) that OUR TCO is lower on our windows boxes than our windows boxes.
This is in just my office. All machines in the company are now running OpenOffice, FireFox, Thunderbird, Gimp, Inkscape, GhostScript, PDF Printer. and any other needed GPL tool that is cross-platform.
This method of transitioning to opensource is very effective. At first I got a few complaints and lots of skepticism. But quickly the bottom line starts to reflect positively and the people who matter, stop the complaining. I never again have to clean up IE related cruft and viri. We now have money in the budget to purchase Hardware instead of throwing it down the Proprietary Software Hole. When my phome intercom beeps I know it is a windows box calling for help.
I now spend most of my time developing Embedded Linux software instead of patching and reinstalling Windows and apps and I couldn't be happier.
Today the chief engineer asked me, "Why can't you just change it so it ignores that error?"
My answer was "You'd think I could, I mean, It makes sense that since the error is inconsequential to the operation of the application I could just change a few lines of code and we'd be golden. If we were talking about my machine I could do exactly that, But its Windows so I cannot. It's not just hard, its illegal. Just Restart the app when it happens." "But, That's like 4 times a day." "Oh well you could just call MS and ask them to check in to it. I'm sure they would be interested in fixing it for a big customer like us with our 25 licenses. Snicker..."
Almost anything you do that is related to the crime is irrelavant. Google crimes all you want just don't commit them.
There is nothing special about this case. I buy Garbage bags, shovels and duct tape all the time, But unless I kill someone, these are innocent acts. But as soon as I report my wife missing they look like very suspicious purchases and the reciepts are exhibit A,B, and C.
Probably because I'm not the computer technician for her company, nor in any other way affiliated with it. I might do so for her home computer, but not for a company machine.
That's the whole point of the portable. She can take her apps with her to and from work. Her company IT department put tape over the USB port?
But hey, if you'd rather listen to your Mom's complaints without offering her a solution, who am I to Judge.
I don't know the law but I'd assume thats why manufacturers haven't improved them. Of course, if somebody (the manufacturers) lobbied hard enough for it, I'm sure the DOT would change their mind.
It kind of works the other way round, see the DOT/NHSA issues safety standards that manufacturers must follow for automobiles to be sold/driven in the US.
As an example here are the proposed rule changes on convex mirrrors on big pickups. noticed how long the comment/approval system takes to change this rule.
Under the first proposed compliance option, a cross-view mirror system would be required. A cross-view mirror is typically a convex mirror mounted on the driver's side, upper rear corner of a vehicle that is used in conjunction with the driver's side exterior rearview mirror to view the area directly behind a vehicle.
The cross-view mirror would be required to: (1) have no discontinuities in the slope of its surface; (2) be adjustable both in the horizontal and vertical directions; (3) be installed on stable supports on the upper rear corner of the driver's side of the vehicle; (4) have an average radius of curvature of no less than 203 millimeters (mm), and (5) be placed such that the geometric centers of the two mirrors would be separated by no more than 5 m.
We also are proposing test requirements to ensure that the mirror system provides a detection zone that would permit the driver to survey the area behind the vehicle for obstacles before backing. The proposed test requirements would be similar in nature to the school bus mirror test requirements of FMVSS No. 111, which utilize a number of cylinders to simulate objects that would be difficult or impossible to see without the aid of mirrors.
He chose to make it public to show what he's fighting for. He wants Linux to get real, not to be totally out of touch with reality. We need proprietary software, and very often, they need Linux. It's not about fighting with them - it's about cooperating.
I have to agree we need proprietary software. How else are we gonna know what to write next year.
Its great to finally see some numbers. My only problem is they don't reflect actual demand.
Had Nintendo shipped 800,000 units in January, these numbers would be even higher. Meanwhile PS3s are on the shelves of every place I've gone to pick up a wii since November.
I've even stooped so low as to lie to my own children. "We are waiting for the Black one that will play DVDs" While surreptitiously contimuing my search.
My own personal view is a wii belongs in every gaming household, possibly alongside your HD console of choice.
Meaning my household is behind the curve as we lack all of this generation. Fear not children, The Wii is coming soon.
OMG I cannot believe you didn't include Window ME (No os from MS has sucked harder, missed opportunity.)
2007 is the year of Linux. Vista sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
1996 is the year of Linux. 95 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
1997 is the year of Linux. 95 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
1998 is the year of Linux. 98 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
1999 is the year of Linux. 2000 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
2000 is the year of Linux. 2000 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
2001 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
2002 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
2003 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
2004 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
2005 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
2006 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
Your analysis is missing one important point.
2007 Vista does Suck, and now Linux doesn't.
I was going to retort what about Guild Wars with a wikipedia link but...
Guild Wars shares many features with massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPG). However, it was called a CORPG by its designers to emphasize the differences in its approach to online role-playing compared to other games in the MMORPG genre. Primarily, Guild Wars is one of only a few commercially produced and distributed online role-playing games to eschew subscription fees, instead offering unlimited playing time on the game servers.
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I think I will let the mod system sort out what it thinks is funny or not.
So far It is funny, says so right at the top there.
You realize you are recursively guilty of the same offense.
Um Debian does not hide their idealism, they are quite up front. http://www.us.debian.org/intro/free
If you are saying there is no place in the enterprise for these ideals, You haven't look around enough.
There are many of us who not only believe in these ideas but support them exclusively.
You are free to use what you like but saying I think Debian needs a wakeup call. It should either be abandoned or made correct; is the most idiotic statement I've heard since joining the movement. (And that is saying something.)
Debian Servers are rock solid and have been since way back. Many a workplace run debian servers without users/admins even noticing the purity/idealism you speak of.
(I spoke too soon, New idiotic statement)difficult enough without having the personalities of brilliant yet insignificant(to me) developers holding back shipping dates
Wow. Just Wow.
Ok guys, we cannot have these discussions any longer, Jaxon6 (You know the guy who pays nothing, contributes nothing and bad mouths us on the intarweb) needs us to deliver for him now. I know freedom, trademarks, stability, blah, blah, blah, Jaxon needs to use firefox but doesn't know how to install it. Fix it. Jaxon6 has spoken.
I remember those ideals I had a decade ago when installing Debian from floppy.
Good to see you Got over those Childish notions of freedom and equality bub. You are a Man now.
As a developer let me be the first to say Fuck You and have a good day.
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Which caused quite a few turned heads at the office. Took a little longer than I expected, but its good to know I wasn't far off base.
Here's a back of the envelope calculation from the electronics company I work at.
TCO:
New Windows Machine Hardware 650
OS 279
Software 5,000-10,000
HOURS of installing and patching clicking OK, Next, Finish, Reboot, rinse, Repeat. Oh and Don't forget drivers.
New Linux Machine Hardware 650
Debian OS 0
Software 0
20 Minute install, unattended apt-get Updates.
Software includes Electronics Layout, Office, FlowCharter, Development tools( IDE, Compilers, Programmer, UML, Documentation), Solid Modeling, Project Management, Image editing, I could go on all day.
In my office there is a Windows 2000 Server, A WinXP Pro Right beside a Debian Development machine and another as Lamp Server.
Administration of the two windows boxes (Not to mention the 15 others) justifies my position as MIS. Administration of the two Debian boxes can be done remotely once a year in minutes.
I'm no big city, fancy accountant but I can say unequivocally (can you?) that OUR TCO is lower on our windows boxes than our windows boxes.
This is in just my office. All machines in the company are now running OpenOffice, FireFox, Thunderbird, Gimp, Inkscape, GhostScript, PDF Printer. and any other needed GPL tool that is cross-platform.
This method of transitioning to opensource is very effective. At first I got a few complaints and lots of skepticism. But quickly the bottom line starts to reflect positively and the people who matter, stop the complaining. I never again have to clean up IE related cruft and viri. We now have money in the budget to purchase Hardware instead of throwing it down the Proprietary Software Hole. When my phome intercom beeps I know it is a windows box calling for help.
I now spend most of my time developing Embedded Linux software instead of patching and reinstalling Windows and apps and I couldn't be happier.
Today the chief engineer asked me, "Why can't you just change it so it ignores that error?"
My answer was "You'd think I could, I mean, It makes sense that since the error is inconsequential to the operation of the application I could just change a few lines of code and we'd be golden. If we were talking about my machine I could do exactly that, But its Windows so I cannot. It's not just hard, its illegal. Just Restart the app when it happens."
"But, That's like 4 times a day."
"Oh well you could just call MS and ask them to check in to it. I'm sure they would be interested in fixing it for a big customer like us with our 25 licenses. Snicker..."
Almost anything you do that is related to the crime is irrelavant. Google crimes all you want just don't commit them.
There is nothing special about this case. I buy Garbage bags, shovels and duct tape all the time, But unless I kill someone, these are innocent acts. But as soon as I report my wife missing they look like very suspicious purchases and the reciepts are exhibit A,B, and C.
And rightly so.
That's the whole point of the portable. She can take her apps with her to and from work. Her company IT department put tape over the USB port?
But hey, if you'd rather listen to your Mom's complaints without offering her a solution, who am I to Judge.
Ok, OffTopic but here ya go.
http://www.learner.org/resources/series58.html Excellent Series on Civilization mostly Western, but a good primer.
And you didn't whip out your usb thumb drive with portable open office?
http://portableapps.com/apps/office/openoffice_por table
Please hand in your Geek Card and hp calculator at the door.
Office for Apple Mac? umm
We use a lot of fruits for snacks at lunch time but I'm pretty sure it doesn't comes to over a grand.
From My observations of my daughter's continued use of both BlockLand Mods and Legos I would say no. http://blmods.blogspot.com/
Why don't you give it a try for yourself.
It kind of works the other way round, see the DOT/NHSA issues safety standards that manufacturers must follow for automobiles to be sold/driven in the US.
As an example here are the proposed rule changes on convex mirrrors on big pickups.
noticed how long the comment/approval system takes to change this rule.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/rulings/NPRM-
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Option 1: Cross-View Mirrors
Under the first proposed compliance option, a cross-view mirror system would be required. A cross-view mirror is typically a convex mirror mounted on the driver's side, upper rear corner of a vehicle that is used in conjunction with the driver's side exterior rearview mirror to view the area directly behind a vehicle.
The cross-view mirror would be required to: (1) have no discontinuities in the slope of its surface; (2) be adjustable both in the horizontal and vertical directions; (3) be installed on stable supports on the upper rear corner of the driver's side of the vehicle; (4) have an average radius of curvature of no less than 203 millimeters (mm), and (5) be placed such that the geometric centers of the two mirrors would be separated by no more than 5 m.
We also are proposing test requirements to ensure that the mirror system provides a detection zone that would permit the driver to survey the area behind the vehicle for obstacles before backing. The proposed test requirements would be similar in nature to the school bus mirror test requirements of FMVSS No. 111, which utilize a number of cylinders to simulate objects that would be difficult or impossible to see without the aid of mirrors.
More info on the process here...http://regs.dot.gov/rulemakings/200702/nht
I love that the top cities include 3 from Florida. But under Regions there is no USA. Quite a few predominately Muslim countries. Keep Repressing.
Of course nVidia would need a sizable loan. Come on we could all chip in...
The Past.
I have to agree we need proprietary software. How else are we gonna know what to write next year.
Had Nintendo shipped 800,000 units in January, these numbers would be even higher. Meanwhile PS3s are on the shelves of every place I've gone to pick up a wii since November.
I've even stooped so low as to lie to my own children. "We are waiting for the Black one that will play DVDs" While surreptitiously contimuing my search.
My own personal view is a wii belongs in every gaming household, possibly alongside your HD console of choice. Meaning my household is behind the curve as we lack all of this generation. Fear not children, The Wii is coming soon.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55794
Thanks for pointing that out , I guess the words World's First in the headline was not enough. [You have my sympathy.]
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-367154178 4982515877&q=danger+mouse+-youtube
As pointed out elsewhere not a BBC Show. DM was one of my favorite shows as a kid, thanks for bringing it up again so I can show my daughter.
Well, What About this, then?
http://www.nextag.com/Inline-Folding-Multi-Tool-52 6603763/prices-html
I whole heartedly agree with you conclusion, however flawed your analogy.
2007 is the year of Linux. Vista sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time! 1996 is the year of Linux. 95 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time! 1997 is the year of Linux. 95 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time! 1998 is the year of Linux. 98 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time! 1999 is the year of Linux. 2000 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time! 2000 is the year of Linux. 2000 sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time! 2001 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time! 2002 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time! 2003 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time! 2004 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time! 2005 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time! 2006 is the year of Linux. XP sucks, is not selling and the revolt is on. It's about time!
Your analysis is missing one important point. 2007 Vista does Suck, and now Linux doesn't.
Cancel.
http://www.videosift.com/video/Euphoria-physics-en gine-GC-2006-demo
Looking Good.
I was going to retort what about Guild Wars with a wikipedia link but...
Guild Wars shares many features with massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPG). However, it was called a CORPG by its designers to emphasize the differences in its approach to online role-playing compared to other games in the MMORPG genre. Primarily, Guild Wars is one of only a few commercially produced and distributed online role-playing games to eschew subscription fees, instead offering unlimited playing time on the game servers.
Oh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild_Wars
Our normally vigilant Slashdot Editors made a mistake? I'm Shocked and appalled.
On Topic...
I want this game. Any chance it will be on the PC in the Future?
I can see your point but Morgan has a couple more good points.
I respect any woman who not only games but is well read, and can understand the vast majority of geek culture better than most geeks.
Alot of the time Adam seems confused by his own culture.