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Windows Vista: the Missing Manual

John Suda writes "It's been over five years in the making and its nearly perfect. No, Im not referring to Microsoft's vast new operating system named Windows Vista, but to the reference book Windows Vista: the Missing Manual, by author David Pogue. The book is the latest, and perhaps best, in the Missing Manual series published by Pogue Press / O'Reilly Media, Inc. The Missing Manual series is the benchmark of quality for computer manuals. Unless youre a system administrator, programmer, or uber-geek, this is probably the only reference source you'll need to learn Microsofts Vista." Read below for the rest of John's review. Windows Vista: the Missing Manual author David Pogue pages 848 publisher O'Reilly Media rating 9 reviewer John Suda ISBN 0596528272 summary The only reference source you'll need to learn Microsofts Vista

Vista is the long-awaited successor to Windows XP and it is a major overhaul and upgrade of that operating system. It was designed primarily to address long-standing security issues with XP and its predecessors, but it also has a vastly new look and feel graphically and in operating features. It comes with a large number of new programs and features and its innards have been significantly beefed up, as it is a 64 bit operating system, focused on the intermediate future of computing hardware and software.

There are so many changes in Vista that it would take perhaps a dozen pages just to provide a bare-bones description of everything. You dont get any written material from Microsoft when you buy Vista. There are digital support and help resources built in and available elsewhere for Vista, but they are not convenient to use and they are relatively limited in scope and depth. Vista, the Missing Manual, provides the information Microsoft doesnt. It covers all five North American versions of Vista. Page 6 has a handy comparison chart of each version. The beginning of every content section refers to which version of Vista the discussion applies.

This Missing Manual uses every bit of 827 pages (including index) to provide similar descriptive and informational material as the built-in Vista sources, but provides much, much more:

Beyond mere description of features and functions, the book explains and evaluates all of the major (and many of the minor) changes from Windows XP to the new Vista. The introductory chapter itemizes all of the most important changes providing perspective on what Microsoft has done with the new operating system. It also highlights some of the more significant interface changes the new search tool, the revised Start Menu, and the new ribbon bar.

The author notes, at every point relevant, the options a user has in either using a new Vista feature, or in reconfiguring the operating experience to return to pre-existing features and the aesthetic elements of Windows XP and earlier versions of the operating system.

Pogue provides an expert users perspective on the value of the changes and new features in Vista. Some things are improvements and upgrades; others are rated as inferior to what was before. If you dont like the new or changed feature, Pogue guides you how to revert to previous iterations of the featuress, or otherwise provides workarounds.

Pogue is great at providing an expert users perspective on working with the operating system efficiently and pragmatically. He doesnt just describe a feature or function but includes tips and guides on how to be more efficient and practical with it and provides reference to other resources available for additional information or guidance. The Manual is written so that one almost feels that they are getting a one-on-one, hands-on lesson, in using Windows Vista. He represents the Alpha-geek relative you might have to help you out when you cant figure out how to do or fix something.

Beyond all of the information, guidance and perspectives, Pogue has a great writing style. The writing is sprinkled with wit, sarcasm, and good-natured humor, extremely rare for a computer related book. Microsoft gets more than a few slams for its many foibles, all well earned. WordPad, for example, no longer opens Word files!

The author writes for multiple levels of need and understanding. He details the basics of Windows Vista for beginners, provides richer material in breadth and depth for intermediate users, and a good amount of material useful for power users, both informationally and in advanced tips. There are many sidebars sprinkled throughout called Power Users Clinic which offer more technical tips, shortcuts, and information to PC veterans.

There is a lot new to Vista. The most important, if not the most noticeable, are the security enhancements. Microsoft now has a user account control which limits installation of new applications to a user who has administrative permissions. By default, the operating system generates accounts for simple users, without the ability to allow installation of new programs. There is a full page of FAQs just regarding the user account control.

A major security upgrade is service hardening which prevents access to the all-important system files by outsiders or unauthorized users. Other new security elements are the Windows Defender program designed to prevent spyware installs, a phishing filter in Internet Explorer, parental controls, protected mode, drive encryption, address space randomization, and much more. That list doesnt even include a new backup program to help protect users from nonfeasance in basic computer operations (although the author recommends third-party software.)

What is most noticeable is the appearance of the desktop, windows, icons, system font (Sergoe UI), and interface features. These are all redesigned to take advantage the vastly enhanced graphic capabilities of Vista referred to as Aero. The Start Menu has been redesigned to be easier to use. The conventional menu bar for the desktop and most application windows has been replaced with a content-based ribbon bar.

There is a lengthy list of new applications, most significantly Windows response to Apple Macintoshs iLife suite of media applications. In Vista, these are the Photo Gallery, Calendar, DVD Maker, Media Player 11, and DVD Maker. It adds to that group, Meeting Space, which is a collaboration program for local network users.

The Windows Sidebar is modeled after Apples Dashboard, which allows customized applets to be displayed and used. A useful cautionary note mentions that the Sidebar gadgets dont save data or configurations when closed. You must start all over again.

Mr. Pogue is an accomplished writer and computer expert having authored over 40 books, including 17 of the Missing Manual series. Hes well regarded as the weekly technology columnist for the New York Times and a correspondent for CBSs News Sunday Morning. Hes been assisted here by four other experts who contributed chapters or parts of chapters to this manual. The writing is clear, concise, and jargon free. The book provides a fair evaluation of Microsofts latest operating system and gives it good grades overall. Pogue routinely points out the areas that Microsoft has unashamedly copied from Apple Macintosh, and notes it as a good thing.

The book is organized into eight parts including a set of appendices. These include the Desktop (or user workspace), the Vista software, Online and Internet connection matters, the new Pictures, Movie, and Media applications, hardware and peripherals, PC health and maintenance, and networking with Vista. The page layout is clean. The book is filled with hundreds of screenshots and numerous step-by-step instructions on nearly all of Vistas elements. The discussion is comprehensive and deep.

Part One explains the Desktop and whats new, including the Welcome Center, Start Menu, and the greatly enhanced search tool which graces every window and the desktop itself. It now offers natural language searching for the first time. For those using older hardware which may not be up to par for Aeros graphic demands, Pogue provides a handful of suggested speed tweaks. A full 10 pages is devoted to Microsofts improved speech recognition system, including a large handful of insights from an experienced user of such software. The author is a fan of Dragon s Naturally Speaking program, but gives good reviews to Vistas capabilities.

Part Two contains most of the material on the new programs and the improved programs Internet Explorer and its new RSS capability, tabs, and search bar, Mail (the Outlook replacement), and the Control Panel, which now contains at least 50 icons for mini-applications, wizards, links, and folders. Chapter 8 provides an applet by applet description. Dealing with the Internet with Internet Explorer and Mail comprises most of Part Three. There is a comprehensive section on connecting to the Internet with the growing number of methods-cable, DSL, dial-up, WiFi, cell, etc.

The media applications are covered in detail in Part Four including comparisons of Microsofts media applications to iTunes and Zune. The discussion of Media Center includes tips on managing recorded TV and setting up media hardware. Part Five deals with the fax, print, and scan functions and hardware related matters. Especially interesting are the printer tricks and the section on laptops, tablets, palm tops and hand-recognition software.

For maintenance, troubleshooting, and problem solving, there is a trio of chapters in Part Six covering disk maintenance and repair, the new dynamic discs feature, compression and encryption, and backups. Geeks may be interested in knowing how to uncover the hidden controls for the new improved firewall. Pogue even provides material on energy conservation and how to configure Vista to work most efficiently for the user.

Part Seven covers the basics of accounts and networks. There is a lot new in Vista, especially in regard to its separate users architecture. The difference between workgroup and domain networks is explained clearly. Sharing and collaboration functions are explained and there is a comprehensive and deep section on remote control using a multitude of methods.

The appendices are great. Appendix A. discusses the installation of Vista in a comprehensive, systematic manner, from pre-purchase and installation considerations, to making decisions about upgrades or clean installs, to dual booting. He describes the new Welcome Center which aggregates many of the initial configurations for a user, or for multiple users.

Appendix B. is cheekily titled Fun with the Registry and is an introduction, with examples, to the notorious registry which is carried over from XP and predecessors. Most authors writing for this level of reader tend to avoid discussion of the registry, but Pogue provides just enough material to intrigue the intermediate user.

Appendix C. is a short itemization of whats missing in Vista from previous Windows operating systems. It makes it easy to figure out why something youve used before cant be located and used. Appendix D. is a master list of keyboard shortcuts for both the operating system and its major applications, like Internet Explorer 7, and the new Windows Mail.

There is no wasted space or text in this book. Its worth every cent of its $34.95 price. As a small bonus, copies of shareware programs mentioned in the book are conveniently available for download at www.missingmanual.com.

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220 comments

  1. weekly updates by cpearson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will the book come with weekly updates?

    Vista Help Forum

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    Windows Vista Help Forum
    1. Re:weekly updates by physicsnick · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only if you pass O'Reilly Genuine Advantage. *hides*

  2. 23.09 at amazon by stoolpigeon · · Score: 0, Troll

    You can get it at amazon for $23.09 (eligible for free shipping if you go over $25). (That is an associates link - if that bothers you, don't click it. If history holds true there will be a non-associates link available right quick if not already)
     
    It has received very high reviews there. (bookpool has it for about 59 cents less - though you do have to buy more to get free shipping - that one is not any kind of associates link or anything-- just giving some options.)

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    It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
    1. Re:23.09 at amazon by stang · · Score: 2, Informative

      That is an associates link - if that bothers you, don't click it. If history holds true there will be a non-associates link available right quick if not already

      Here ya go.

      --
      "200 Quatloos on the newcomer!" "300 Quatloos against!"
  3. DVD Maker? by Frequently_Asked_Ans · · Score: 4, Funny

    There is a lengthy list of new applications, most significantly Windows response to Apple Macintoshs iLife suite of media applications. In Vista, these are the Photo Gallery, Calendar, DVD Maker, Media Player 11, and DVD Maker. It adds to that group, Meeting Space, which is a collaboration program for local network users.
    Is DVD Maker so good you had to say it twice?... I'm still not sold on it.....
    --
    "Stallman says add to this code and you are one of us. Gates says use this code and you belong to us."
    1. Re:DVD Maker? by reyalpdemannu · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's so good that they had to say it twice, it's so good.

      From the department of redundancy department.

    2. Re:DVD Maker? by c0l0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Hi, welcome to the Department of Redundancy Dept. and hello!"

      --
      :%s/Open Source/Free Software/g

      YTARY!
    3. Re:DVD Maker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Tonight I'm gonna rock you tonight!"

    4. Re:DVD Maker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slim Pickens >> You said "DVD Maker twice...

      I like "DVD Maker".

    5. Re:DVD Maker? by Khabok · · Score: 1

      Get out of my head!

    6. Re:DVD Maker? by Knux · · Score: 1

      two times twice

  4. Surely too soon? by mccalli · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Vista hasn't really been in consumer use enough to know what kind of problems people will hit in the real world. Surely this is a bit premature?

    Cheers,
    Ian

    1. Re:Surely too soon? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      What part of "The Missing Manual" you don't understand? :P

    2. Re:Surely too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not too soon. And don't call me Shirley.

    3. Re:Surely too soon? by master_p · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have to be...Vista has lots of problems already.

    4. Re:Surely too soon? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      Well, one thing's for sure, Vista itself is premature, or it was released prematurely. Microsoft is already working on SP1 and trying to ship it later this year. A service pack in the same year of release. Ouch.

      --
      "Sufferin' succotash."
    5. Re:Surely too soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Windows is for playing videogames, like The Sims.

      Macs are for getting real work done, like editing feature films, powering supercomputers, and working with other large datasets.

    6. Re:Surely too soon? by abb3w · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Vista hasn't really been in consumer use enough to know what kind of problems people will hit in the real world. Surely this is a bit premature?

      O'Reilly usually has several books that come out. The "Missing Manual" series tells you the stuff that the manufacturer ought to have put in a user manual (if they could afford to hire tech writers as competent, independent, and forthright as Pogue... who's been playing with the beta builds and probably an advance copy of the final build). There's also the "Annoyances" series, which tell why the product is Broken As Designed, and to what extent the problems can be worked around. And then there's the Nutshell series, which are a vital reference for any serious geek.

      The Missing Manual is targeted for an audience of users slightly above the complete novice, but below the heavy power user. A geek will want to find a library with a copy to glance through, but probably not add them to their home collection. (The exception being the first time you move from Windows to OS X, or vice versa, or if you're supporting a large number of such switchers.) The Annoyances are worth more serious study. Nutshell books are for buying as a reference; only the most twisted of hard-core geeks will want to introduce themselves to a subject that way, but any geek will find them a handy reference.

      --
      //Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
    7. Re:Surely too soon? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's not like 2 years of beta testing would find those things.

      The sad thing is, I can't figure out if I'm being sarcastic or not.

      --
      You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
    8. Re:Surely too soon? by SEMW · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, one thing's for sure, Vista itself is premature, or it was released prematurely. How d'you figure that when it was in beta for over one and a half years? That's three seperate complete releases of Ubuntu in the time Vista's been in beta/RC!

      Re the SP1 thing, IIRC from what I've read that's a combination of bringing Vista up to date with the by-then-released Longhorn Server and pacifying the "Don't upgrade till SP1!" crowd; but I could be wrong.
      --
      What's purple and commutes? An Abelian grape.
    9. Re:Surely too soon? by Zonnald · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean like OSX 10.0 (March 2001) and 10.1 (September 2001) - that's what? Six Months? 10.3 in Aug 2002 - what, only 11 months from last "Major Release". Not even considered a patch.
      So let's look at that (patches or updates, as they are called at Apple) 10.0.1 April 2001 10.0.2, 10.0.3 in May and 10.0.4 in June.
      What about Linux (let use the often sited Ubuntu as example)
      Ubuntu

    10. Re:Surely too soon? by divisionbyzero · · Score: 1

      Or its so bad there are some glaring examples that can be addressed right off. The stuff users find can wait till the Second Edition. ;-)

  5. The missing supplement... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Funny

    For a better operating system, see Mac OS X: The Missing Manual.

    1. Re:The missing supplement... by Rav3L0rd · · Score: 1

      If you're really missing something, go for MacOSX or Linux ;-)

      --
      Pixel image editor (Win,Lin,Mac) - http://www.kanzelsberger.com
    2. Re:The missing supplement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, FreeBSD or OpenBSD...

    3. Re:The missing supplement... by rmadmin · · Score: 0, Troll

      MacOSX: It just works
      Windows Vista: It looks like OSX, but just DOESN'T work.

      YMMV

    4. Re:The missing supplement... by Mex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can you run OSX on a PC?

    5. Re:The missing supplement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      For real insight, see Mac OSX: The Missing Games. Warning: it's a thick book.

    6. Re:The missing supplement... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I heard they're coming out with a new one: Windows Vista: The Incompatible Games

    7. Re:The missing supplement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I'm looking forward to PC Gaming Other Than World of Warcraft: An Obituary

    8. Re:The missing supplement... by matt1553 · · Score: 1
    9. Re:The missing supplement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I'm using Vista on my tablet pc. Does Apple have a tablet pc?

      Or is Apple years behind in tablet technology?

      I bought a used Acer Travelmate 110 and upgraded the harddrive to a 7200 RPM unit. Vista works great on it. I wish I could do this on an apple.

    10. Re:The missing supplement... by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      A third party now offers a pretty cool Apple tablet. They take a Macbook and add a tablet screen. Costs about the same as a MacBook Pro, but I can understand the level of difficulty involved.

      Intriguingly enough, I believe there are no software additions. Apple has tablet software built into MacOS X. You can use it if you buy a Wacom tablet and hook it up to your Mac.

      D

    11. Re:The missing supplement... by zukakog · · Score: 1

      The only reason that I'm going to use Vista is because of my TabletPC. Finally, the handwriting recognition can learn! After using it for about a month, I can scribble in my worst handwriting and have it recognized. It even deals pretty good with my inconstant letter shapes. I don't have a 3d card in my tablet, so no Aero for me. I was surprised to see that Vista actually works a little faster than XP on my old tablet. I still wouldn't pay full price for it. Thank goodness for volume discounts.

  6. You have opened a book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Do you want to read it?

    Yes/No?

    1. Re:You have opened a book... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

      You are trying to turn the page. Do you want to turn the page? Yes.
      Would you like to read the next page? Yes
      Oops! You did not read and agree to the copyright page! Would you like to read the copyright page? No.
      This book requires activation. Please enter your product activation code now: ____________________________________
      Would you like to use this activation code? Yes!
      Would you like to activate the book? YES!
      You are trying to make notes on the page. This is not allowed. Ok
      You are trying to make illegal copies of this book on your copier. This is not allowed. Ok
      You are tearing your hair out? Would you like to tear your hair out? YES, YES YES YES!!!!
      You appear to be insane. Would you like mental help? ARRGGHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

    2. Re:You have opened a book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have chosen to read a book. Would you like to read the first chapter?

      Yes/No

      You have chosen to read the first chapter. Would you like to read the first paragraph?

      Yes/No

    3. Re:You have opened a book... by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      I can sense that you are pounding your machine. Do you think I care?
      My microphone indicates you are screaming at me. Do you think I care?
      I detect you are attaching a Linux rogue to this LAN. Do you want to let it on?
      Something is trying to inFECT me. Do you want to allow this?
      You indicated no, but I am overriding. So, as a feature or as a bug?
      When a stranger calls, s/he will know you're alone. Have you checked the children?

      --
      Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
    4. Re:You have opened a book... by E-Lad · · Score: 4, Funny

      You guys are pretty close...

      Watch this video and just imagine the security prompts if the book in that video were running Vista (ink and quill edition).

    5. Re:You have opened a book... by cmorgan47 · · Score: 1
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      no i have not shot my gun in the air and gone 'Ahh!'
    6. Re:You have opened a book... by Phu5ion · · Score: 1

      It appears that you have placed a Linux Installation DVD in your drive. Would like to read it? Yes.
      You trying to run the setup program. Would you like to continue? Yes.
      You are trying to install Linux. That is not allowed. OK.

      --
      Slashdot is kind of like Playboy; we aren't here to read the articles.
    7. Re:You have opened a book... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      I can't help feeling that the tone of these UAC jokes is very generous. Personally, I'd have gone for a more traditional:

      Windows Vista detected.
      (A)bort, (R)etry, (F)ail?

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      If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
    8. Re:You have opened a book... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you guys know we just passed thru a BLACK HOLE in space?
      (paging Zippy)

  7. 64-bit by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    its innards have been significantly beefed up, as it is a 64 bit operating system

    So was XP. What else about it is "beefy" without also being labeled "cruft"?

    1. Re:64-bit by EXMSFT · · Score: 1

      When XP first shipped, it did indeed have a 64-bit version. But it was only for the Itanic. X64 support isn't technically in "XP" itself, but rather it was added to Windows Server 2003 SP1, which shipped support for a client version as well, the one you linked to. A minor point, but one I thought was worth mentioning.

  8. What did pogue have to say to billy gates? by Stormx2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "You scumbag you maggot! You cheap lazy faggot! New OS your ass and thank god its your last!"

    1. Re:What did pogue have to say to billy gates? by woadlined · · Score: 1

      LOL Gates: I coulda bin someone Jobs: Well so could anyone - you stole my GUI from me...when I first found you Gates: I kept it with me babe - I sold it as my own - can't DRM it all alone - I bilked the chumps around you

    2. Re:What did pogue have to say to billy gates? by kchrist · · Score: 1

      You misspelled "arse".

      Come on, what self-respecting Irishman would use the word "ass"?

    3. Re:What did pogue have to say to billy gates? by Stormx2 · · Score: 1

      I'm from northern england (almsot) so I say short "a"s (as in caffeine), so ass seems a more natural spelling for me, even though I'm from england.

  9. nonfeasance? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    What a perfectly cromulent essay!

  10. Microsoft's strange manual policy by Kensai7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really can't understand why MS isn't creating a good Windows manual for its OS products. A neat, home-printable pdf e-book explaining their flagship product afterall.

    --
    "Sum Ergo Cogito"
    1. Re:Microsoft's strange manual policy by Lithdren · · Score: 1

      I really can't understand why MS isn't creating a good Windows manual for its OS products. A neat, home-printable pdf e-book explaining their flagship product afterall.
      Wont someone think of the MS Cerified?
    2. Re:Microsoft's strange manual policy by Kensai7 · · Score: 1

      Forgot to say it should be gratis and placed online! You're right. ;)

      --
      "Sum Ergo Cogito"
    3. Re:Microsoft's strange manual policy by dave562 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If they created a manual then they couldn't see you the Resource Kit and all the various trainings. Not to mention, what would Mark Minasi do if Microsoft actually documented their software?

    4. Re:Microsoft's strange manual policy by truthsearch · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Because then it would be even MORE like Mac OS X.

    5. Re:Microsoft's strange manual policy by rrohbeck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hey, Windows has a GUI, which is self-documenting, with very informative online help, and even AI help wizards! There's no need for documentation! :)

    6. Re:Microsoft's strange manual policy by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Because someone (probably on Slashdot) will inevitably complain that MS publishing their own manuals unfairly cuts into third party competition, naturally! See: web browsers, media players, antivirus, firewall software, etc.

    7. Re:Microsoft's strange manual policy by Zebra_X · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As I was attempting to determine what the maximum windows experience rating is for a computer, With skepticism I hit with the F1 key to see if "help" had been improved. Low and behold - I got my answer.

      There were a couple other instances where help actually worked as advertised.

      Who on earth would really read a manual supplied by msft?

      -=-=-=-=-
      Check out my new AMD FX70 system build, now with Vista. http://amd4x4.blogspot.com/

    8. Re:Microsoft's strange manual policy by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1

      I love online manuals! Whenever I have problems with my network, I can just look up the answer!

    9. Re:Microsoft's strange manual policy by EXMSFT · · Score: 1

      You're kidding, right? 95% of consumers never crack the documentation that comes with software. Not shipping a manual is better for the environment (and of course saves Microsoft money, too). In the end, Microsoft will publish a book on Vista too. For the rare consumer who would actually take the time to crack it, good deal. For the rest of the world, it's several million unread "books" that won't be thrown away.

    10. Re:Microsoft's strange manual policy by Foolhardy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unfortunately, not all the help is good. The new backup program (sdclt.exe) includes two silly and obvious limitations (that the old ntbackup.exe didn't), namely the requirement to have admin privileges to backup your own files, and the inability to put the archive just anywhere (e.g. the same hard drive or a USB flash drive). The backup program has hyperlink style help buttons for exactly those questions, but they both redirect to a general FAQ about the backup program that doesn't actually include those questions or answers to them.

      Microsoft is made up of many developers and departments, each of varying responsibilities, skills, and understanding of the OS. Accordingly, parts of the software range from excellent quality with great documentation and system integration to awful, mysterious pieces that barely work. This has been the norm for Microsoft software (and many other large projects) for a long time.

    11. Re:Microsoft's strange manual policy by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

      namely the requirement to have admin privileges to backup your own files


      Note that this is because the backup application uses the shadow copy service to take a snapshot of the system (so you can back up files that are currently locked / being written to), but, I agree that it shouldn't require admin privileges.

      Also note that you can download the old backup program for Vista Business / Ultimate, IIRC.
    12. Re:Microsoft's strange manual policy by Foolhardy · · Score: 1

      Note that this is because the backup application uses the shadow copy service to take a snapshot of the system
      Actually, sdclt (Vista Backup) does NOT seem to use VSS, or else it'd be able to back up registry hives directly. Instead, it skips them because they're locked. In any case, sdclt should be able to revert to non-vss mode like ntbackup does. Sdclt is also missing many other ntbackup functions like backing up EFS files in their encrypted form, and actually being able to select the individual files and directories you want to back up. There was a thread about it on Shell:Revealed, but it's been deleted.

      Also note that you can download the old backup program for Vista Business / Ultimate, IIRC.
      I can't find any such download. I wish there was one. The closest is this ntbackup archive restore only program, and a possible way to install the old ntbackup that may be unsafe because it requires a different (incompatible) version of vssapi.dll than the OS uses. Either that or use the NT4 version of ntbackup and give up modern features like VSS... which is still better than sdclt.
  11. Ohhh nooooo by zappepcs · · Score: 1

    FTFA
    Appendix B. is cheekily titled Fun with the Registry and is an introduction, with examples, to the notorious registry which is carried over from XP and predecessors. Most authors writing for this level of reader tend to avoid discussion of the registry, but Pogue provides just enough material to intrigue the intermediate user.

    I do not want to be the one to try fixing what happens when general users get 'intrigued'

    FTFA
    Appendix C. is a short itemization of whats missing in Vista from previous Windows operating systems. It makes it easy to figure out why something youve used before cant be located and used.

    If there is enough of that going on, might as well switch to Linux or Apple and get the pain over with once and for all!

    1. Re:Ohhh nooooo by ktappe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I do not want to be the one to try fixing what happens when general users get 'intrigued'
      Yes you do, as that's how most consultants make their livings.
      --
      "We can categorically state we have not released man-eating badgers into the area." - UK military spokesman, July 2007
    2. Re:Ohhh nooooo by gardyloo · · Score: 1


      FTFA
      Appendix C. is a short itemization of whats missing in Vista from previous Windows operating systems. It makes it easy to figure out why something youve used before cant be located and used.


              Apostrophes seem to have been left out of this OS.

    3. Re:Ohhh nooooo by tcc3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      In the new utopia there will be no apostrophe.

  12. What? by rrohbeck · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    10 replies already and no unbiased, informed, well-mannered discussion of the relative merits of Vista vs. other OSs? Come on, Slashdot, you can do better!

    Let me make a start:

    Vi$ta is teh suckage!

    MacOS is for wimps!

    Linux roxxorz!

    1. Re:What? by Overly+Critical+Guy · · Score: 1

      At least we've gotten the "I've posted Slashdot cliches, mod me up" post out of the way.

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    2. Re:What? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Darn, I not even one "+1, Funny."

  13. A better Vista manual by LibertineR · · Score: 2, Funny
    1. Load Vista.

    2. Load Dreamscape and play the cool volcano video on your desktop.

    3. Say "Wow, that's nice, but my processor is pegged according to this gadget thingy".

    4. Lunch time, so open 'Hold em' and kick ass at Poker while eating your sandwich.

    5. When it is time to get some work done, Load VMWare and boot Windows XP.

    My wife and I were very happy for many years, then we met."

    1. Re:A better Vista manual by initialE · · Score: 1

      Does VMWare work on vista? even virtual pc is in beta right now

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  14. Descriptive index? by iago-vL · · Score: 2, Funny
    From the review:

    This Missing Manual uses every bit of 827 pages (including index) to provide similar descriptive and informational material as the built-in Vista sources [....]

    The index provides "descriptive and informational material"? Sounds like an odd kind of index to me...

  15. Complete Text: by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 0, Troll
    I know I shouldn't reprint the whole thing in a Slashdot comment, but sometimes information wants to be free:

    Use Linux.

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    1. Re:Complete Text: by eln · · Score: 1

      Sure, you post that, but you're really missing the real genius of the book: they managed to stretch those two words over 848 pages. Truly a magnificent achievement.

    2. Re:Complete Text: by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

      Sounds like my papers in college;-) Brilliant!

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  16. You May Be Thinking Of Someplace Else by TwistedKestrel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unless youre a system administrator, programmer, or uber-geek, Who the hell else reads /.?
    1. Re:You May Be Thinking Of Someplace Else by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it hadn't become obvious years ago, slashdot is a site where managers go to stay 'current' on tech news. Sys admins and programmers only check /. so that when their manager asks them a question, they have an ample supply of snarky responses to them.

    2. Re:You May Be Thinking Of Someplace Else by Alboin · · Score: 1

      The little goblins who live under my computer.

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    3. Re:You May Be Thinking Of Someplace Else by TheRistoman · · Score: 1

      Actually I check /. specifically because my manager isn't around. Wait, I'm not a sysadmin NOR a programmer. Woo hoo!

    4. Re:You May Be Thinking Of Someplace Else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the hot ladies who secretly desire system administrators, programmers or uber-geeks?

  17. But DP is a Mac fanboy! by psydeshow · · Score: 1

    Has he been running Vista in Parallels or something?

    1. Re:But DP is a Mac fanboy! by FunkeyMonk · · Score: 1

      I sincerely doubt that Master Pogue "wrote" the whole book. I suspect that Pogue is becoming a bit of a brand name... next next O'Reilly, perhaps.

    2. Re:But DP is a Mac fanboy! by kalidasa · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure Pogue did write the whole book. Oh, yes, he is becoming a brand name: that's why the Missing Manuals series says it's from Pogue Press (a subsidiary of O'Reilly); but if Pogue's name is the only name on the cover, he wrote it. Anyway, Pogue has had some problems with typing (maybe it was carpal tunnel?) in the past and had to use Windows for Dragon Naturally Speaking, and his review of Vista comparing it to OS X was almost certainly based upon the research for this book.

    3. Re:But DP is a Mac fanboy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come to find out, there are about five names listed on the inside cover, so who knows how much of the writing Pogue actually did.

  18. Gadgets don't save config? by chrismgtis · · Score: 2, Informative

    "The Windows Sidebar is modeled after Apples Dashboard, which allows customized applets to be displayed and used. A useful cautionary note mentions that the Sidebar gadgets dont save data or configurations when closed. You must start all over again."

    Gadgets don't save configurations? That is a lie.

  19. Metareview: the missing review of the review by xmark · · Score: 1

    Wow, great review, but it's a *bit* long.

    Here's the missing metareview:

    Buy this book. The author knows Vista way better than even Bill Gates does, and might even make you crack a smile now and then as you learn. Imagine that.

  20. Instructions on an OS? by BACPro · · Score: 1

    Why should you have to learn an OS.
    Doesn't it just execute the programs written for it?

    Or did they accidentally bundle some user programs...

  21. Which makes me wonder... by pla · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Unless youre a system administrator, programmer, or uber-geek

    So, you posted this on Slashdot, where the vast majority of readers will fall into one or more of those categories, why?

    1. Re:Which makes me wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So we know what to buy/recommend for family, friends etc who are not super windows heroes.

  22. the Missing Manual? by mybecq · · Score: 3, Funny

    You are attempting to read a book review about Windows Vista on Slashdot.

                                    Cancel or Allow?

    1. Re:the Missing Manual? by MrCopilot · · Score: 1

      Cancel.

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    2. Re:the Missing Manual? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      "You are coming to a sad realization. Cancel or Allow."

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  23. Largely pointless by David+Horn · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Having not actually read this book, I have the question its point to anyone besides a complete novice, for the following points:

    1) Vista is actually fairly intuitive. If you have to resort to a book to figure out what WordPad or Paint is, perhaps you shouldn't be using a computer in the first place...

    2) I can, possibly, slightly, maybe see this book being useful to someone without the internet. But then, why buy Vista? Any problem identified in Vista is likely to be fairly unique, and almost certainly not covered in the book. Perhaps it should really be about making the most of Google and Google Groups to find a solution?

    3) Vista's built in Help is far, far better than that which shipped with XP. It actually "helps" you if you have a problem, and seems to connect to a huge online repository of articles.

    4) Vista has been available to the general public for THREE WEEKS. How can you write a book on troubleshooting problems about it?

    I'm sorry if this sounds so negative, but I honestly can't see the point of this book for computer professionals, particularly on Slashdot. For my grandma, maybe.

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    1. Re:Largely pointless by Feanturi · · Score: 1

      If you have to resort to a book to figure out what WordPad or Paint is, perhaps you shouldn't be using a computer in the first place...

      I've got news for you: Somewhere along the line, somebody let all of those people think it's their right to use one anyway. And it's your job to keep it working in spite of their willful ignorance. That makes a book like this quite necessary, and I hope it does well.

    2. Re:Largely pointless by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      1) Vista is actually fairly intuitive. If you have to resort to a book to figure out what WordPad or Paint is, perhaps you shouldn't be using a computer in the first place...

      Actually, if you are using Wordpad or Paint, perhaps you shouldn't be using a computer in the first place. :)

    3. Re:Largely pointless by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      For getting lots of words down in the computer, when you're not worried about formatting (as, for example, in the vast majority of my work), Wordpad is just as good as any other lightweight word-processor.
            But, god... Paint. *shudders* My officemate often says something like, "Oh, just send that .eps with the embedded LaTeX code over here... I'll change it in Paint," and something inside me dies a slow painful death.

  24. Only 2 week by 0racle · · Score: 2, Funny

    Vista has been out in general availability for 2 weeks and you already lost the manual?

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    1. Re:Only 2 week by thewils · · Score: 1

      No silly, the manual is for all those pirated copies...

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  25. GUI changes by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful
    All the windows supporters say Linux is hard and it is too difficult to learn a new GUI. And Microsoft nonchalantly changes the GUI under them, removes applications, adds applications, changes the way things work, and all of them dutifully learn new ways of doing the same old things. 827 page manual for general user who is already familiar with XP? That is insane. Companies should demand Microsoft to pay for the retraining of their employees and upgrade costs and data migration costs. But you see them line up like the harbour coolies paying protection money to Peter in Deewaar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deewaar_(1975_film)

    But what else can they do? They so heavily vendor locked into Microsoft they have to pay the protection money. There will be no Vijay Verma for them riding into the pier to clean up the mess.

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    1. Re:GUI changes by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      827 page manual for general user who is already familiar with XP? That is insane. Companies should demand Microsoft to pay for the retraining of their employees and upgrade costs and data migration costs.

      You are making two erroneous assumptions:

      1. That the number of pages in a book is proportional to the amount of useful content it contains.
      2. That anyone needs a manual to start using Windows Vista.

      Surely the fact that Microsoft does not include a manual with the product, instead providing the user with a context-sensitive electronic help system, indicates that Microsoft doesn't actually feel that a printed manual is necessary at all?

      O'Reilly and Pogue say that the manual is "missing," but remember, they are biased. They are in the business of printing books.

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    2. Re:GUI changes by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      You do have a valid point. The manual might not be needed it could just be a summation, you are right about that. Still I think MS changing the GUI and the users meekly accepting it without too much of a protest is at odds with the percieved difficulty retraining users in a different GUI.

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    3. Re:GUI changes by jgrahn · · Score: 1

      Surely the fact that Microsoft does not include a manual with the product, instead providing the user with a context-sensitive electronic help system, indicates that Microsoft doesn't actually feel that a printed manual is necessary at all?

      No, it just indicates that they believe they can get away with not providing one.

      I have no experience of any MS OS later than W2k, but the so-called context-sensitive help there is worthless. For me it has been a waste of time three times out of four. It's just a bunch of shallow recipes and boring walkthroughs. Overviews and longer discussions of concepts and ideas are missing. For example, there are no sections describing the metaphors behind MS Word's styles and typesettings primitives.

      The help system is probably good for something, but it's not a manual.

    4. Re:GUI changes by MetalPhalanx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First off, I'm not an MS fan in any way. With that out of the way:
      Considering you don't have any MS OS experience past W2K, perhaps you shouldn't make comments on how bad the help system is in an operating system released 7 years later. From what I've seen (and heard from many others) the Vista help has been greatly improved.

      Perhaps you should try it before bashing it. If they shipped without an manual, either it's a grave mistake on their part, or maybe they actually have improved the help function to the point it can be used in place of a manual.

    5. Re:GUI changes by tshak · · Score: 1

      Either we didn't put enough features in Vista, or we put in too many. Oh, and the same author has a 725 page manual for OSX.

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    6. Re:GUI changes by TheSpinningBrain · · Score: 1

      Well...
      1. That the number of pages in a book is proportional to the amount of useful content it contains.
      "There is no wasted space or text in this book. Its worth every cent of its $34.95 price."

      2. That anyone needs a manual to start using Windows Vista.
      I'm sure that some people do.

    7. Re:GUI changes by servies · · Score: 1

      Greatly improved compared to Windows 2000 or XP doesn't mean anything.
      I'ts like 100% more than 0 is still 0...

  26. Pogue by bobsil1 · · Score: 1

    Pogue goes slack-jawed whenever Apple adds so much as a sticker to its products, but when MS ships an entire OS he snarkshafts them like the Appleboi that he is. Now he's trying to make money off Microsoft? Guy's got chutzpah, man.

    1. Re:Pogue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It really irks you when someone doesn't fit the mold you have for them doesn't it?

  27. Sidebar by AndrewNeo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The sidebar doesn't save your settings and you have to start over? I've been using Vista since pre-Beta 1 and I've never had to reset my sidebar widgets once.. (though I never really used the Sidebar until RTM, it still kept my zipcode for weather and stuff)

    1. Re:Sidebar by qzulla · · Score: 1
      The sidebar doesn't save your settings and you have to start over? I've been using Vista since pre-Beta 1 and I've never had to reset my sidebar widgets once.. (though I never really used the Sidebar until RTM, it still kept my zipcode for weather and stuff)

      Hey, watch it. Thems is gadgets. Widgets is them Apple thingies.

      Just wanted to clear that up before the lawyers march in.

      qz

  28. typo in a book review? by eneville · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't youre have an apostrophe there, since you're is an abbreviation of you are. am i being pedantic?

    1. Re:typo in a book review? by s_p_oneil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, you are. And you forgot the link for our linguistically-challenged readers: pedantic. You also forgot to capitalize a few letters. If you're going to be pedantic, at least do it properly. ;-)

    2. Re:typo in a book review? by grungeman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I have 5 moderation point to distribute right now (actually 3 left). I intended to mod your comment, but could not find the option "pedantic". Sorry.

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    3. Re:typo in a book review? by Aussie+Osbourne · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't youre have an apostrophe there, since you're is an abbreviation of you are. am i being pedantic?

      Yes, you're.
  29. Apostrophe? by ThePolkapunk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Perhaps before writing this review, the author should've read the missing manual for the English language. There's something called an apostrophe. I highly recommend using it.

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    1. Re:Apostrophe? by NC-17 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They were most likely slashed out by some web app.

    2. Re:Apostrophe? by bograt · · Score: 1

      Youre right! Theres not a single apostrophe in the whole review. However, it's summary does contain a few.

    3. Re:Apostrophe? by pilkul · · Score: 1

      Twenty bucks says that he wrote the review in Word, which inserted nonstandard "smart quotes" instead of regular ASCII apostrophes, and then they were slashed out by the web app. At least they didn't appear as some crap resembling ^A~ like they sometimes do.

    4. Re:Apostrophe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why, there are already too many people's out there using apostrophe's in the wrong way.

    5. Re:Apostrophe? by haaz · · Score: 1

      Thank you! I agree. Also, in the future the good writer may want to proof read things before posting them. Unless, as the article suggets, Vista includes two instances of DVD Maker...

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  30. You know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can write the most carefully reasoned and researched, most authoritative reference manual ever written on the subject of manure, but in the final analysis, it's still just a book about crap!

  31. The missing security in Vista by arete · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only slightly on topic, but my Karma doesn't care - and I want as many people as possible to see this. :)

    I expect a certain number of security holes in any massive software undertaking. But I couldn't let this go by without referencing a recent /. article:

    http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/13/192 2237

    Which to me says "wow, MS still got it ALL wrong"

    Notwithstanding a raft of smaller ones, there's basically two big security problems in Windows - 1) ActiveX et al and 2) a totally improper use of Admin/user privs.

    The whole #2 problem is basically: Too damn many things make you need to login as admin to do, so it's way too easy to grant high privs to something malicious. In OS X you're never "logged in" as admin, you sudo as necessary for specific actions. Same is good practice in Linux. And in both cases, you need to do that as rarely as possible; you can do everything a user could want without being root.

    But Vista apparently lets a normal user run random exes they've added to the system, (as it must be, for my definition of a "normal user") but _doesn't_ let them run anything Vista detects as an installer, no matter how unimportant the installer is. Meaning, "of course my new solitaire game needs complete and total access to my system" is par for the course. Instead of "boy, anything that needs admin privs must be VERY important and should come with a stern warning"

    I HOPE that Vista has fewer problems with having apps that must-run-as-admin, and fewer problems with applications that can only be installed as admin but then can only be run by the user who installed them. (This is rampant in XP... I don't know if Vista has a "sudo" functionality the way OS X and Linux do and XP didn't, really. "run-as" doesn't have the capability of giving the files the nonadmin-user's ownership, which is the critical missing feature.)

    But they've already demonstrated a continued disregard for the basic principles of privileges. *sigh*

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    1. Re:The missing security in Vista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I expect a certain number of security holes in any massive software undertaking. ...thanks to Microsoft.

      You've been brainwashed.

    2. Re:The missing security in Vista by ednopantz · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting that bashing Microsoft is *bad* for your karma?

    3. Re:The missing security in Vista by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      Um... You DO know that ActiveX is just a spiced up DLL with some standard COM implementations... not just a hokey security hole in your IE. Damn the world for making component resue easier. If it wasn't for those damn VB6 "programmers"... right.

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    4. Re:The missing security in Vista by sparkz · · Score: 1

      To be fair, a default Ubuntu (being a popular example of "run-as-user, admin-as-root") install will do all installations as root: "sudo apt-get upgrade" sudo is far more fine-grained than that, and is an incredibly powerful tool. The way in which it is most commonly used (on the desktop, to be fair to the Vista comparison) is the Ubuntu method, which is to say that "Yes, I'm a normal user, but I can become God at any time I need any demi-God abilities" *nix, especially combined with su, sudo, file permissions (and if you want to feck it up for the sake of a little bit of gloss, ACLs), allows for far better protection that Vista seems to provide. And from what I read, Vista appears to provide certain privileges based upon how it decides to characterise the process. That seems pretty dangerous. If you add a package to a Solaris box, you have to be root to start with. However, you will still get several prompts, due to the files-to-be-installed, and the pre- and post- install files. You will have to allow SUID files to be installed, you will have to allow pre- and post- install scripts to run with superuser privs. That's all done without even going to the level of sudo, it's just within the package manager. So Solaris has got Vista beat, on this particular score, for years. We are on the brink of a load of spurios (very specific) comparisons between "config A of OS B" vs "config X of OS Y", which will surely drag on for a few years, until we get used to the different discussion, and the pros and cons of each implementation. Vista's all-or-nothing approach is pretty blind, but also pretty easy for "know a little about PCs, but not a guru" users to understand. A corporate-wide *nix installation deserves a proper sudo config, with certain parties allowed to do certain things under certain circumstances. Both have their place, and I'm sure (from past performance) that the MS implementation leaves a lot to be desired. But, just bashing Vista for a "user-or-root" approach doesn't seem terribly wise from a community whose best answer to Vista (for Joe Sixpack) is Ubuntu, which does just the same.

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    5. Re:The missing security in Vista by CCFreak2K · · Score: 1

      But they've already demonstrated a continued disregard for the basic principles of privileges. *sigh*

      Oh, right. Microsoft never had any idea about user privileges. Not even in Windows NT since NT 3 or so. Not even through very granular filesystem and registry ACLs. Not even in many pre-defined user groups. Nope. The idea of "always admin" was firmly planted in Windows developers' minds when they developed Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003 and Windows Vista.

      You're partially right, though: most Windows programs do a lot of no-nos. Writing to %programfiles% is one of them. Of course, the installer will want to when it installs files, but configuration files and other miscellaneous user data can be stored in %userprofile% instead.

      Of course, when it comes to actually installing the program (assuming it follows Windows 2000 design guidelines), it'll need admin access. If you run non-admin, what happens? Windows XP includes a way to run a program as another user, although from what I hear it's a bit hackish. If we file a GUI equivalent of sudo under that category, that takes care of that problem. What about older programs (ones targeted for Windows 9x come to mind)? Those still do naughty things and absolutely hate it when they can't get access to everything they want? How exactly are you going to solve that problem for the home user?

      Yes, Windows still has its problems, but it comes right back to compatibility. They gotta make sure that the old programs run on the new operating system.

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    6. Re:The missing security in Vista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, a default Ubuntu (being a popular example of "run-as-user, admin-as-root") install will do all installations as root: "sudo apt-get upgrade"

      WRONG. apt-get upgrade is upgrading of system files and system-wide programs. Comparable to Windows Update.

      Now try to e.g. a game installer, like the UT2004 (UT2007 isn't out yet, AFAIK) installer. No root / sudo required. Where as if you try to install UT2004 on Vista, apparently you won't even be allowed to run it as a normal user. It will always run with administrator access, even if you don't want it to.

    7. Re:The missing security in Vista by arete · · Score: 1

      First, you missed the big point. Yes, some programs misbehave. True in XP. What we find is that in Vista you _can't_ make a program behave right. If Vista thinks you're an installer, you need to have admin no matter what you do. That is completely backwards. They are _prohibiting_ userland installers.

      In a world where the average user installs dozens and dozens of applications, having them all be root is crazy.

      "Yes, Windows still has its problems, but it comes right back to compatibility. They gotta make sure that the old programs run on the new operating system."

      No, you don't.*

      You have to make it POSSIBLE to run them. But you don't have to keep them from, say, throwing up a big "this software does not adhere to Vista coding standards and is a possible security risk" message. Or even better, how about "This software is trying to make changes to your system. If you do not completely trust this software vendor to completely control your computer, do not install it."

      That sample warning is stern - and obviously they aren't going to do that if every piece of legit software has to go through it. Even though it's true for every installer. But if legitimately that kind of warning didn't happen for applications - which don't NEED to touch system stuff - then it would be reasonable. It would only happen for antivirus software, hardware tools and drivers, etc. And for your average user, that stuff is already installed by the OEM.

      The idea that Microsoft can't make EVERY outside developer behave nicely is absolutely true. But the idea that they do not have the power to cause massive changes to the average Windows software is false.

      *Yes, you'd have to phase in a plan like this and give a year or two for vendors to catch up. Yes, it would work much better if you could allow a reasonbly well behaved program to not get flagged - even if it did write to program files but as long as it created and didn't modfiy there, for instance.

      If I came across that way, I certainly didn't mean to imply that no one at MS knows how permissions should be. NT was great for it's time - nothing had that combination of usability and stability for the cost. Linux

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    8. Re:The missing security in Vista by arete · · Score: 1

      Well, it was arguably offtopic. That's what I meant.

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  32. Who else is here? by Spacezilla · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unless youre a system administrator, programmer, or uber-geek, this is probably the only reference source you'll need to learn Microsofts Vista. Good thing no one on Slashdot is any of those three things then.
    1. Re:Who else is here? by larien · · Score: 1

      But we will get asked about Vista as various friend & family resident gurus... - having something to tell people to look at will solve a lot of time.

  33. Mod funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats the exact somg that went through my head when I saw the writers name!

    These foos don't know nuthing modding you a troll

    http://www.pogues.com/Releases/Lyrics/LPs/IfIShoul d/Fairytale.html

  34. Vista just came out... by proxy318 · · Score: 1

    and they've already lost the manual? Geez, keep track of your stuff, people!

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  35. But I thought... by sheldon · · Score: 1

    Nobody was going to upgrade to Vista.

    I heard it here on /., so I know that must be true.

  36. True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Man, let me tell you, this book is sorely needed.

    I just installed Vista for the first time. I opened up the command line prompt (that was a challenge) and typed "man vista", and you know what it told me? Command not found. What the fuck is that?

    1. Re:True by SkaOMatic · · Score: 1

      I hear that.

      [Windowskey] C M D [Enter] is like 100 keystrokes too many. They should know I want a terminal up 24x7.

    2. Re:True by catdevnull · · Score: 1

      That's the first time in a long time that I've read a slashdot post that made me almost pee my pants...

      Thanks for that, Anonymous Coward!

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    3. Re:True by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      It gets even worse. You have to follow up with [Windowskey-R] CMD [Enter] to get it to finally load.

      Geez!

    4. Re:True by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      It gets even worse. You have to follow up with [Windowskey-R] CMD [Enter] to get it to finally load. FWIW...

      Not in Vista. In Vista, you can just hit windows key and type a command name; the start menu auto-searches for what you want. It's a very nice addition that should be promptly stolen by Linux and Apple.
    5. Re:True by Simon+Garlick · · Score: 1

      Mac users already have it in the form of Quicksilver, which all Mac users have.

    6. Re:True by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now we're talking. As much as I'm glad this Pogue guy can get paid writing this book, but goddamn, we're talking about an operating system that costs hundreds of dollars. Microsoft should be ashamed that their shiny new OS needs an 800+ page book for people to use it effectively.

      And this is only the start. Now, I need a list of services I can turn off, ways to make Vista perform as well (or dare I hope, better?) than XP, and instructions for turning off every bit of DRM support.

      Then I'll pick up that disc I paid so much for and try to install Vista again. Until then, I have learned to love XP Pro, after a few years of tweaking.

      And by the way, fuck Microsoft for wasting so much of my time during my first go-'round with Vista. I want those 5 hours back. God, I pray that a solid company comes along with some good competition to Windows and OSX. I am so tired of these two effete companies dictating what I can do with all the wonderful hardware that's on the market. How dare they place such arbitrary limits on me and my machines. Think of what could be done with Core2Duos and dual-core Athlons and X1950 video cards, SATA drives and 4 gig of RAM if somebody used the kind of budget that went into Vista to make a real OS? If a bunch of wankers in corduroy pants can come up with friggin' feisty fawn for free, imagine what we might have if they had some real backing and resources? Would I pay $250 for it? Absolutely. May Steve Jobs and Bill Gates rot in hell for spoiling what should be a Golden Age of personal computing.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    7. Re:True by wayward_bruce · · Score: 1

      So does Linux. Heard of Beagle?

      Apparently, Microsoft was the last to implement something like that...

    8. Re:True by SIGALRM · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Microsoft should be ashamed that their shiny new OS needs an 800+ page book for people to use it effectively.
      Remember, Vista is an OS built for consumers, not tinkerers, hobbyists or sysadmins. Your concept of effective use is vastly different from Microsoft's targeting Joe and Jane Average, who wouldn't think for a moment of tweaking DRM, system services, reghacks, etc.

      May Steve Jobs and Bill Gates rot in hell for spoiling what should be a Golden Age of personal computing.
      What a load of crap. Who would win the "Golden Age" award in your idealistic dreamworld? I suppose you'll say Torvalds or Stallman.
      --
      Sigs cause cancer.
    9. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it's not like there's any reading required for someone new to Linux...

    10. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incidentally, I have the windows key set as a shortcut to start a terminal in my ubuntu. So it works perfectly well for me. :D

    11. Re:True by RalphSleigh · · Score: 1

      Get with the times dude, command line help is sooo 30 years ago. Just press F1 for help on whatever application you are using, or on the desktop for windows help....

      --
      Come as you are, do what you must, be who you will.
    12. Re:True by amuro98 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How is Vista "built for consumers"? At least tinkerers, hobbyists and sysadmins are used to having to tweak and be expert users - it comes with the territory of being on the leading edge. Consumers, on the other hand, don't care about any of that. They just want a computer that WORKS. If anything, they're harder to design for because of their requirements - something that Microsoft hasn't learned yet.

      Meanwhile, Vista requires pretty stiff hardware upgrades, and even most systems IN STORES NOW are underpowered with regards to what Vista requires. Consumers don't run bleeding edge hardware. How is Vista for them?

      There are tons of reported problems with existing hardware and applications - and this was after a long and extensive beta period?!? How does this make Vista a consumer product?

      Seems to me that the only ones benefitting from Vista are tech support companies, hardware vendors, and of course Microsoft.

      The sad part is that many people are eagerly bending over with a smile on their face...

      Oh well. Their pain and suffering will mean that by the time the rest of us upgrade, Vista may actually be usable....either that or Vienna will be out and we can start this whole process. ALL. Over. Again.

    13. Re:True by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Buddy, I'm a friggin' consumer. I consume video, music, documents just like the people who you say are MS' "target audience".

      Are you really saying that Windows isn't meant for people who want to do anything besides "consume"? Is that really what you mean?

      In my "dreamworld" the winner of the Golden Age award would be someone who manufactured a commercially available, big-budget operating system that didn't suck, wasn't booby-trapped, and helped me work instead of getting in my way. I guess in your book that means I'm asking for too much. I can only surmise that you work for Microsoft, or make your living from Microsoft's failings. Am I getting warm?

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    14. Re:True by SEMW · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, Vista requires pretty stiff hardware upgrades, and even most systems IN STORES NOW are underpowered with regards to what Vista requires. Consumers don't run bleeding edge hardware. What are you talking about? I haven't updated my machine in 3 years, in it runs Vista fine. The *recommended* (not minimum) CPU requirement is 1GHz -- AMD first released a 1GHz processor seven years ago. Even Aero Glass only requires a DirectX 9 capable graphics card -- DirectX 9 was released in 2002 -- and these days, even Intel's crappy integrated graphics chips can run it.
      --
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    15. Re:True by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, Vista requires pretty stiff hardware upgrades, and even most systems IN STORES NOW are underpowered with regards to what Vista requires. Consumers don't run bleeding edge hardware.

      Utter rubbish. Vista's hardware requirements aren't even particularly high, these days, let alone unreasonable.

      Apart from the $30 you might have to spend to get a DX9 video card, you can comfortably run Vista on machines seven years old.

    16. Re:True by SunTzuWarmaster · · Score: 1

      Linux also has that feature, and has for the past year or so.

    17. Re:True by iamstretchypanda · · Score: 1

      Microsoft should be ashamed that their shiny new OS needs an 800+ page book for people to use it effectively.
      I tink its 4 documetin al ther c00l featurezzz!

      ::Giggles and walks away::

      PHP5 should be ashamed that I had to read a 600+ page book to use it effectively... whats your point? That can be said for Apache, MySQL, Pearl, Mac OSX, and etc. Maybe after reading that 800+ page book you'll learn something useful or something you didn't know before, for instance the ability to restart windows explorer without restarting the computer. As for me, I am perfectly fine going to Google and typing, "How-to ubuntu install ----" and finding step-by-step relevant tutorials without having to pay the aforementioned 'Pogue guy.'

      If a bunch of wankers in corduroy pants can come up with friggin' feisty fawn for free, imagine what we might have if they had some real backing and resources? Would I pay $250 for it? Absolutely. May Steve Jobs and Bill Gates rot in hell for spoiling what should be a Golden Age of personal computing.
      And all the linux users said -- Amen

    18. Re:True by dotgain · · Score: 3, Funny

      What do Mac users have again?

    19. Re:True by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      In my "dreamworld" the winner of the Golden Age award would be someone who manufactured a commercially available, big-budget operating system that didn't suck, wasn't booby-trapped, and helped me work instead of getting in my way.

      You'll need to translate that into something more meaningful than subjective handwaving, if you want anyone to actually take any notice.

      "Doesn't suck" is about as useful to a product designed as "make it better".

    20. Re:True by Gorshkov · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, Vista requires pretty stiff hardware upgrades, and even most systems IN STORES NOW are underpowered with regards to what Vista requires. Consumers don't run bleeding edge hardware. How is Vista for them?
      Newflash: most systems IN STORES NOW are underpowered with regards to what Windows XP requires.

      Any idiot trying to flog a machine with only 256meg of memory should be ... well ... flogged.
    21. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get with the times dude, command line help is sooo 30 years ago. Just press F1 for help on whatever application you are using, or on the desktop for windows help....

      He asked for the manual, not the help system, with it's several pages on moving and clicking the mouse, but no usefull information.

    22. Re:True by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      OK, then skip the "doesn't suck". I'd settle for it not being booby trapped and helped me with my work instead of getting in my way.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    23. Re:True by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      And all the linux users said -- Amen


      If I thought linux was the answer, I'd be using it. I said I want a "commercial" OS that's customer-centered and doesn't treat me like someone who's just there to consume content. I make stuff. I bet some other people do as well.

      I just used linux as an example of what committed amateurs (in the best sense of the word) can do on a shoestring. Now I want to see someone with deep pockets and resources make an OS to challenge Windows and OSX. See, I don't have to buy a Chevy or a Ford, there's actually Chrysler and Kia and a few others out there, too. Skippy, Jiff AND Peter Pan. Does that rock your worldview too much?
      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    24. Re:True by daem0n1x · · Score: 1

      I have yet to see a page of Windows Help that has any use whatsoever.

    25. Re:True by PygmySurfer · · Score: 1

      As much as I'm glad this Pogue guy can get paid writing this book, but goddamn, we're talking about an operating system that costs hundreds of dollars. Microsoft should be ashamed that their shiny new OS needs an 800+ page book for people to use it effectively.

      Pogue has written similar manuals for Mac OS X - are you saying Apple should be ashamed that each release of their shiny new OS needs an 800 page book for people to use it effectively?

    26. Re:True by fire_missionary · · Score: 0
      true that... ive been trying off and on to switch to linux over the past 2 years, and every time i try a diffrent distro, and every time i cant do something that is essential to me switching.

      First i cant use my wifi, then i cant use my 5.1 sound card (well it works in stereo mode anyway), then i cant get wine to run at all, then i get wine running and it crashes and dumps the whole harddrive, then i get everything cept the wifi working...

      oy its an endless loop! and no amount of reading has solved it. i feel as if im stuck working with tech support from dell or something.

      --
      "The reverse side also has a reverse side." - Japanese Proverb
    27. Re:True by Pope · · Score: 1

      Now we're talking. As much as I'm glad this Pogue guy can get paid writing this book, but goddamn, we're talking about an operating system that costs hundreds of dollars. Microsoft should be ashamed that their shiny new OS needs an 800+ page book for people to use it effectively.

      How many man pages, Read Mes, etc. does one need to use Linux effectively? I see a hell of a lot of reference books for Apache, MySQL, etc. on the shelves.

      May Steve Jobs and Bill Gates rot in hell for spoiling what should be a Golden Age of personal computing.

      It sure as fuck beats the early 1980s, I can tell you that with some confidence.

      Also, stop being so goddamned paranoid about Vista's DRM support. Don't buy DRMd media, and you won't have to worry about it, will you?

      --
      It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
    28. Re:True by fire_missionary · · Score: 0
      heres a scenario:


      Joe Schmoe has a problem with his new Windows installation, he cannot get it to do a windows update. He says to himself "Why not try the Help System?" and therefore hits F1. The fancy looking new window pops up saying "How may I help you?" Joe thinks for a moment and types 'windows update' into the search box. A few moments later a list of topics appears which include, 'How to perform a Windows Update' and 'Troubleshooting your Internet Connection' along with 'Using your mouse'

      Joe thinks to himself for a moment and decides that 'Troubleshooting your Internet Connection' is the best option, and clicks it. The Help System leads him through some simple configurations and tests, making sure his ip address is set correctly and he can get to the internet. It then states that there is no problem with his internet connection. "Thats not right," Joe says to himself as he goes back to the list to try the 'How to perform a Windows Update' option.

      It leads him through opening Internet Explorer, going to 'Tools' and then clicking 'Windows Update.' The help system then tells him to follow directions on the screen.

      By this time, Joe is becoming increasingly infuriated and picks up and slams his mouse on the desk a few times, rendering it useless. During his raging fury, it seems Joe had clicked on 'Using your mouse,' as the Help System is awaiting prompt after instructing Joe to make sure it is plugged in correctly.
      Joe proceeds to rummage through the drawers of his desk. "At last!" he proclaims as he takes his treasure from the bottom left drawer. Moments later there is a large bang and the gun falls to the floor released from Joe's grip.

      --
      "The reverse side also has a reverse side." - Japanese Proverb
    29. Re:True by amuro98 · · Score: 1

      My current desktop is 7 years old, but was pretty close to the high-end when it was new. Yes, it could run Vista - even Aero.

      My mother's desktop is 3-4 years old, and no, it won't run Vista. At least, not very well since it's only got 256M of RAM and a integrated video card that uses 64M of system RAM. Oh yeah, and forget about Aero.

      Anyways, say for about $100 the system can be upgraded to have a video card with some dedicated memory, and max out the RAM. That's still $100 on a system that as far as my mom's concerned, works just fine. And then you want to spend another $100 or so on Vista itself?

      Rememeber, the claim is "Vista is for consumers." How is spending $200 to just upgrade the OS, and who knows how much more to replace all the non-Vista-compatible software a consumer product? For what benefit? A prettier UI that requires her to learn how to use her computer all over again? What's the benefit in that? Heck, just spend the $100 improving the machine for XP would be a better use of the money.

      I assure you, there are many, many, many times more people like my mom than there are tinkerers, hobbyists or others who consider messing with the computer's OS "fun".

      From the consumers' point of view, the OS is not the reason for the computer - it's the applications.
      Also from the consumers' point of view, Vista provides high cost for little improvement - that doesn't seem like a smart buy regardless of who you are.

    30. Re:True by oc255 · · Score: 1

      We have the Quicksilver launcher that we have.

    31. Re:True by macserv · · Score: 1

      It is also a feature of Spotlight in the imminent Leopard (version 10.5) release of Mac OS X.

  37. So what you're saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless youre a system administrator, programmer, or uber-geek, this is probably the only reference source you'll need to learn Microsofts Vista. I guess everyone on slashdot will need another source then.
  38. If You Need A Manual . . . by JusticeISaid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Long ago, in a virtual software galaxy far away, one of the developers involved in the design of the Xerox Star told me, "if you need a manual to figure out how to use a computing environment, it wasn't properly designed."

    1. Re:If You Need A Manual . . . by qzulla · · Score: 1

      Dude! That was in 1981 and, if you didn't notice, that page was as long as a manual.

      This is only the mouse part:

      Mouse -- An interactive computer system must provide a way for users to indicate which operations they want and what data they want those operations to be performed on. Users of early interactive systems specified operations and operands via commands and data descriptors (e.g., text line numbers). As video display terminals became common, it became clear that it was often better for users to specify operands -- and sometimes operations -- by pointing to them on the screen. It also became clear that graphic applications should not be controlled solely via a keyboard. In the Sixties and Seventies, many different pointing devices were invented and tried: the light pen, the track ball, the joy stick, cursor keys, the digitizing tablet, the touch-screen, and the mouse.

      Like other pointing devices, the mouse allows easy selection of objects and triggering of sensitive areas on the screen. The mouse differs from touch screens, light pens, and digitizing pads in that it is a relative pointing device: the movement of the pointer on the screen depends upon mouse movement, rather than upon its position. Unlike light pens, joy sticks, and digitizing pads, the mouse (and the corresponding pointer on the screen) stays put when the user lets go of it to do something else.

      To achieve satisfactory mouse-tracking performance, the mouse is handled in at a very low level. In some workstations, mouse-tracking is handled in the window system, with the result that the mouse pointer often jerks around the screen as and may even freeze for seconds at a time, depending upon what else the system is doing. The mouse is a hand-eye-coordination device, so if the pointer lags, users just keep moving the mouse, and when the system catches up, the mouse moves beyond the user's target. This was considered unacceptable at Xerox.

      Star uses a two-button mouse, in contrast with the one-button mouse used by Apple and the three-button mouse used by most other vendors. Though predecessors of Star developed at Xerox PARC (see History of Star Development, below) use a three-button mouse, Star's designers wanted to reduce the number of buttons to alleviate confusion over which button did what. The functions invoked via the Alto's middle button are, in Star, invoked in other ways. Why did Star's designers stop at two buttons instead of reducing the number to one, as Apple did? Because studies they did involving users editing text and other material showed that a one-button mouse eliminated button-confusion errors only at the cost of increasing selection errors to unacceptable levels.

      qz

    2. Re:If You Need A Manual . . . by titzandkunt · · Score: 1


      "...Long ago, in a virtual software galaxy far away, one of the developers involved in the design of the Xerox Star told me, 'if you need a manual to figure out how to use a computing environment, it wasn't properly designed.'..."

      And someone else* said: "Basically, the only intuitive interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned."

      *Variously attributed to Jeff Raskin, Bruce Ediger, Jay Vollmer...

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      Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable...
  39. Editors? Hello? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its as if something is wrong with this review, but I cant tell what. Maybe the editors didnt read it before posting it? Or perhaps the editors arent performing the sorts of tasks generally assigned to editors? Im not sure. Anyone else notice something wrong? I cant quite put my finger on it.

  40. Pure FUD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could always try running TuxRacer in X

  41. Sidebar no different from Dashboard wrt Config by saddino · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Windows Sidebar is modeled after Apples Dashboard, which allows customized applets to be displayed and used. A useful cautionary note mentions that the Sidebar gadgets dont save data or configurations when closed. You must start all over again.

    Actually, this "warning" of losing preferences when closing gadgets also applies Apple's Dashboard: any widget removed from the Dashboard loses its preferences. The act of moving a gadget (widget) from the Gallery (Shelf) into the Sidebar (Dashboard) is what instantiaties a new gadget (widget). Persistence of configuration data is only acheived by keeping the gadget (or widget) alive. Both platforms save configuration data between logouts/shutdowns -- but for instantiated widgets (gadgets) only. Close them, and their done.

    And now, some shameless self-promotion for you Vista early adopters, courtesy of lifehacker:

    Turn any web widget into a Vista Gadget
    The Amnesty Generator for Windows is designed to let you convert any embeddable web site widget (including Google Gadgets) into a Vista Sidebar Gadget with very little work.

    Compared to Vista's Gadget library's relatively meager 275 gadgets, Google Gadgets for your web page, for example, currently sports over 3000 widgets - meaning that if you're a fan of Vista Gadgets and you want to expand your palette, the Amnesty Generator looks like a good way to do that. If this sounds at all familiar, OS X Dashboard-lovers may remember that Amnesty Generator is also available for Dashboard. Right now the generator still has a few kinks (particularly in the looks department), but in all it seems to work fairly well.


    Amnesty Generator for Vista

  42. Just use the associates link. by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    <petpeeve>

    Why are people so averse to using the associates link? Stoolpigeon has saved you some time and effort in going out to Amazon.com and looking the book up yourself. He is referring you to the book, and as such, deserves at least a miniscule amount of credit for it via the associates link.

    Besides, it's not like you're going to pay more for the book if you buy it using his referral link than if you don't. If you click on his link, it's $23.09. If you look it up yourself, it's $23.09. If you use a non-referral link such as the one posted in your message, it's $23.09. The only difference is who gets $0.92 (4%) of that $23.09: Stoolpigeon of Amazon.com. While I don't have anything against Amazon.com, I figure they're making lots of money already, and it certainly wouldn't hurt them to fork over that $0.92 to someone for helping to sell products from their site.

    I have a little-used associates account at Amazon.com. I know from experience that if you order something using a referral link, all that person knows is that the item was ordered, which is kind of necessary in order to know how much you've got coming to you. It doesn't tell you who ordered it, where they live, what their credit card number is, or anything else except that x number of item y's were bought.

    So given the choice of clicking on Stoolpigeon's referral link or stang's non-referral link, click on the referral link. Not doing so is really pretty stupid and needlessly spiteful. Or else someone please explain to me why you think that Amazon.com deserves that extra $0.92 more than Stoolpigeon, especially when if it hadn't been for Stoolpigeon, you wouldn't have paid Amazon.com the other $22.17.

    </petpeeve>

    1. Re:Just use the associates link. by Cylix · · Score: 1

      Encouraging the use of associates links simply fuels the desire to evolve a response, story or otherwise imaginative tale to include another referral link.

      It diminishes the content here because the post is crafted with something to gain.

      Granted, this is one of the few times I have really seen a need for a direct link, but then again it isn't exactly hard to visit your favorite retailer (online or off). None the less, it is generally not needed and can be done without very easily.

      A creative person can usually work their con in some way or another when there is something to gain.

      --
      "You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours." -- Yogi Berra
    2. Re:Just use the associates link. by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      thanks - that's pretty much how i look at it.
       
      i've done this a total of 3 times now. the first time it was pretty much ignored moderation wise. the second got modded up to +4 informative and this one is currently at -1 troll. but i don't really sweat it. i don't understand why it bothers people, and i've asked without getting a response - but it's not a big deal. all my referral fees are paid to me as amazon gift certificates and it's just a way to get a free book or cd once in a while. for all i know it's my wife modding this down -- she thinks i own too many books already.

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    3. Re:Just use the associates link. by stoolpigeon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i've been curious as to why it bothers people. i appreciate that you've taken the time to respond to the question but i'll have to say i'm not too worried if the answer you've given are the main reasons. mostly because i'm not too sure that openly posting a link to another site is diminishing the content of a thread sure to include goatse, gnaa or something similar and secondly i don't know how doing so openly can be considered a con.
       
      i'm not trying to diminish the importance of those arguments to you-- i'm just relieved i wasn't unintentionally doing something truly undesirable, by my standards.

      --
      It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
  43. I forgot the Index: by LibertineR · · Score: 3, Funny
    For Nvidia Graphics card users:

    Option A: Prozac.

    Option B: Get on the floor and kick and scream, until your Computer un-crashes itself.

    For Nvidia SLI owners who spent a fortune on their video subsystem:

    This section will be completed upon the cessation of laughter.

    For AMD Graphics card users:

    It is no longer necessary to say prayers before booting your computer, when it crashes, there is a 50% chance that your boot sector will remain unscathed.

  44. Makes me want it by thorkyl · · Score: 0

    I think I will get the book, and a copy of vista, then I can charge 200 an hour to fix it....

    oh wait I do that now with XP.

    A friend of mine just bought a new PC and at the counter opened the box, told the clerk he did not agree with the license and demanded a refund for the software. They thought he was crazy, so he demanded a refund on the PC and got it. three other people in line refused to buy the ones in there hands. Best part, they now have to sell the PC at a discount since its a open box...

    I think XP will be around for a bit. If not we will be forced to learn it and support it.

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    -- I am the NRA, enough said...
    1. Re:Makes me want it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Your friend is a dick. He knew it came with it, and he knew what would happen if he pitched a fit in the store. He just felt like wasting other people's time.

      2) Learn the difference between "their" and "there," moron.

  45. my troll for the day by hswerdfe · · Score: 0, Troll
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    --meh--
  46. 64 bit? Not in the delivered versions by techdavis · · Score: 1

    as it is a 64 bit operating system

    Not in every case, according to http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsv ista/editions/64bit.mspx:

    64-bit media is included in the box with Windows Vista Ultimate.
    The Normal shipping versions are in 32 bit, but you can order the 64 bit DVD for free after purchase.
  47. Wait, so... by TheRistoman · · Score: 1

    Is this is a manual explaining WinFS, NGSCB, the synchronized data across multiple platforms, and how Vista is not like OS X? Ohhhhhh, it's the manual *itself* that's missing... Clever...

  48. ORGA by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

    Only if you pass O'Reilly Genuine Advantage. *hides* Yup.. and if you don't pass ORGA test the book will grow arms, legs and start throwing chairs at you.

    Oh.... And you can come out of hiding now... your book passed the ORGA test this time.
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    Only to idiots, are orders laws.
    -- Henning von Tresckow
  49. To return to pre-existing features by Teun · · Score: 1

    The author notes, at every point relevant, the options a user has in either using a new Vista feature, or in reconfiguring the operating experience to return to pre-existing features and the aesthetic elements of Windows XP and earlier versions of the operating system.

    Neat, so now I can disable them tilt bits and the DRM.
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    "The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
  50. Researcher or Fanboy? by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 1

    Wasn't it David Pogue's tepid review of Windows Vista (covered on Slashdot recently) that raised accusations that he was just a Mac Fanboy? His in depth review suggests that either he's capable of being open minded and doing a great job of research, or that his "research" was aided by the close similarity between Windows Vista and Mac OS X. Of course, deciding which is true simply goes to one's own OS allegiances.

    Of course, I come down on the cynical mac fanboy side of things. That paranoid group that says Microsoft isn't providing features or advice on their "Vienna" release only because Apple hasn't revealed Leopard's "top secret" features yet. :-)

  51. And...? by KingSkippus · · Score: 1

    Encouraging the use of associates links simply fuels the desire to evolve a response, story or otherwise imaginative tale to include another referral link.

    So? Isn't that kind of the point of the comments section of Slashdot, to give responses?

    It diminishes the content here because the post is crafted with something to gain.

    I disagree. If someone posts something informative and it also happens to net them a few cents here and there, what's wrong with that? I doubt that anyone is going to seriously try to make their fortune off of referral links on Slashdot. (Well, other than Slashdot itself, through its B&N referral links, which everyone seems to oddly live with being okay—nice double standard!)

    The way I see it, people post referral links here as a way of saying, "Here's something that is relevant to the conversation and perhaps useful to you." I still fail to see what's so evil about that. Besides, if a story, response, or otherwise imaginative tale gets submitted for the obvious purpose of generating income through an associates link, it quickly gets modsmacked. Such is the beauty of the Slashdot Way: It all works out.

    If you (collectively, not you personally) are really that concerned about the quality of posts on Slashdot, there are many, many, many more productive places to start than making sure that Amazon.com gets an extra $0.92.

  52. Isn't it obvious? by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    It just encourages people to post something, anything, even if they don't particularly have anything to contribute beyond the review, just to put that referral link in context and hopefully get some buy-throughs.

    It's not a reflection on you, but it's a general trend. Slashdotters are smart enough to "know the difference"; in that if you _REALLY_ wanted to comment on the book, having bought it, and encouraging others to buy it, then you'd put a non-referral link. That speaks to slashdotters who know you have nothing to gain, and in considering your opinion understand there is a concious effort to remove bias from your remarks.

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    THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
    1. Re:Isn't it obvious? by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      but i don't want to comment on the book. i'm not trying to be sneaky about being in context. i'm pointing out simply that is cheaper at amazon and at the same time that they can use my link to throw a little something my way. i don't know how i could be more up front about it. i did mention that it got good reviews at amazon - but i'm not endorsing the book or implying that i have read it (i haven't and don't intend to).
       
      as i mentioned i've had mixed reactions when i've done this so far. but people have used the link and it's gotten me some free stuff, so i'll probably stick with it. though - i just post a link when i happen to notice that a book review is up, so i miss more of them than i hit.

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    2. Re:Isn't it obvious? by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      Slashdotters are smart enough to "know the difference"; in that if you _REALLY_ wanted to comment on the book, having bought it, and encouraging others to buy it, then you'd put a non-referral link.

      No, he'd just give the name or ISBN. A "non-referal link" is just a free gift to Amazon: the price is EXACTLY the same, and if you decide to use a non-referral link instead of a referral link... well, you're giving extra money to Amazon that you didn't have to.

      It's like not tipping your waitress and instead handing the 20% to the manager. It's asinine.

      (The "real" reason why there's a flood of "no referral" link is the same reason /. uses B&N instead of Amazon, even though they're the same site and system. Amazon.com landed in the "bad company" list along with Microsoft, Dell, and most others because of their One-Click patent. The rational response is to post a link to someplace OTHER than Amazon, or post a charity referral link... this "no referral" crap is just stupid.)

    3. Re:Isn't it obvious? by MadMorf · · Score: 1

      That speaks to slashdotters who know you have nothing to gain, and in considering your opinion understand there is a concious effort to remove bias from your remarks.

      While I can appreciate your sentiments, I think they're a bit naive.

      This is Capitalism at work. There is something to gain in every action a person performs.
      The book in question isn't free and wasn't written out of the goodness in the writer's heart, it was written so the writer could get paid.

      So, if the poster helps to popularize the book, why shouldn't he be compensated for his effort if he want's to be?

    4. Re:Isn't it obvious? by bluesnowmonkey · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, no need to invoke capitalism. Does the word "kickback" have a positive or negative connotation to you? I like my advice unbiased.

    5. Re:Isn't it obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bought the book without clicking on your link just to spite you. I hope you get cancer. I hope your children get cancer. You can then use the money you made by posting links to amazon to help them.

  53. What's the point by isorox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unless youre a system administrator, programmer, or uber-geek, this is probably the only reference source you'll need to learn Microsofts Vista."

    My Fiancee is not a system administrator, programmer, or uber-geek. She can use both my linux laptops, and mythtv, without any need for a manual. What is in an operating system that needs a manual? If Vista needs a manual, why doesn't it come with it? I'm sure that Office 4.3 came with thousands of pages of printed material, but now you drop a few hundered quid on a shiny DVD, put it in, and then are expected to pay mroe for a book!

    1. Re:What's the point by SEMW · · Score: 1

      If she's competent with Linux, you can be pretty sure she won't need a manual to use Windows...

      Besides, both Windows and Linux include help files -- a virtual, if not a printed 'manual'. Also, I've never used it, but some posters above have said that context-sensitive help in Vista is greatly improved on that in XP.

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  54. Pogue on Vista by floateyedumpi · · Score: 1
    Interestingly, David Pogue is one of two quoted in Apple page on Vista:

    You get the feeling that Microsoft's managers put Mac OS X on an easel and told the programmers, 'Copy that.'
  55. The "Missing Manual" series: I bought it for Win2K by ProphetPX777 · · Score: 2, Interesting


    I have never YET used Vista, nor have I seen this particular book. But I HAVE bought one of the book's (and Operating System's) predecessors. By that I mean to refer to "Windows 2000: The Missing Manual" (part of the same series), and I was immensely satisfied with it because it filled all the needs for immediate knowledge that I had at the time.
    </p><p>
    <b<Microsoft DOES NOT DO ANYONE ANY JUSTICE</b> when they leave out such incredibly pertinent amounts of information as I HAD TO FIND in a THIRD-PARTY book (series) like these. And I am not complaining about the book series, the one book I have is still excellent. It is just a SHAME that Microsoft could really "care less".
    </p><p>
    <b>Microsoft should be UTTERLY ASHAMED that people known for excellent documentation about OPEN SOURCE software can actually write BETTER MANUALS than Microsoft (known for closed-source commercial software, amongst other unsavory connotations) can, about their own CLOSED SOURCE software!!!</b>
    </p><p>
    Ironically ("yeah right!"), I actually wonder if Microsoft actually (subtly?) encourages people to "find out on their own" by writing or buying (or reading) books from series like these. Aside from their huge fees for their own "Microsoft Press" materials, that is (Pah!)
    </p><p>
    In short, based on previous experience with the book about Windows 2000, if I had Windows Vista, this book reviewed here would ideally be the FIRST BOOK I would want to purchase regarding it, and recommend to others as well.
    </p>

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  56. Nice audience... by daybot · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Unless youre a system administrator, programmer, or uber-geek, this is probably the only reference source you'll need to learn Microsofts Vista."

    So... it's probably the only reference source you'll need unless you read Slashdot. Good story!
  57. Amazon $5 cheaper than slut link to B&N by phunctor · · Score: 1

    Really, Taco, if you're going to sell whatever cred you have together with access to our eyeballs, make sure you get a good price. You only get to spend the cred once.

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  58. but but but by OriginalArlen · · Score: 1

    Unless youre a system administrator, programmer, or uber-geek, this is probably the only reference source you'll need to learn Microsofts Vista." Read below for the rest of John's review. Well that should narrow down the target audience quite nicely. I mean, the set that is the intersection of "not sysadmin and not programmer and not uber-geek and slashdot_poster is...... not on the large side.
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  59. Here's Hoping Linux Doesn't Bork Vista Partitions by MogNuts · · Score: 1

    I sincerely hope Linux doesn't bork Vista partitions. Just had this happen twice in a week with EliveCD and then Ubuntu. Never happened to me before--apparently I always used FAT32 when I dual booted Windows XP and Linux--I forgot about that. But anyways, had my last two installs use NTFS. EliveCD and Ubuntu corrupted my Windows XP partition (* See below)! Let's hope when the time comes I can dual-boot Vista (because it uses NTFS by default) and a Linux distro without this same problem occuring. Fellow users beware (keep good backups)!

    * I'm guessing because EliveCD attempted to automount my XP partition and Ubuntu modified the partition table during an install. Either way they had access to my Windows XP partition. Then XP refused to start and always froze before the login screen loading on C:\WINDOWS\System32\drivers\mup.sys (courtesy Windows safe mode output). Ran Knoppix (I'm impressed by ntfsfix, btw) and it says I had a dirty NTFS volume (not properly unmounted). But Windows won't even get to safe mode to run chkdsk and when I use the install CD for recovery, the installer crashes. It must be Linux because this EXACT same process occured after I ran both EliveCD and Ubuntu 6.10.

    (And btw, YES some people like me want to eventually run Vista, YES I want to use Linux, and YES I want to dual-boot.)

  60. wait by darth_linux · · Score: 1

    this is a manual for Fedora...

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  61. Vista for Dummies......Dont buy! by hydraulos · · Score: 1

    "Unless youre a system administrator, programmer, or uber-geek, this is probably the only reference source you'll need to learn Microsofts Vista.""

    So why the heck did you post it on /. ?!

    oah yeah for the 20yr old system administrator's that work at public schools "hmm now how do I disable the command prompt but still let my batch files run....." yeah that was senior yr for me, I liked writing batch files in notepad, and then playing Halo PC during class...
  62. Re:The "Missing Manual" series: I bought it for Wi by geekoid · · Score: 1
    Maybe you should have gone to the bath room before you

    'ed all over that post!

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  63. Not really by geekoid · · Score: 1

    It tells you exactly where to find what.
    Sounds descriptive and informative to me.

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  64. Re:Here's Hoping Linux Doesn't Bork Vista Partitio by quanticle · · Score: 1

    Linux's incompatibility with NTFS is a known issue. The standard procedure for dual booting is to create an NTFS partition for Windows, and leave some space for a Linux partition and possibly a FAT32 shared partition. As you've found out, though there are tools that will claim to resize an NTFS partition, they are a "hit or miss" proposition due to the proprietary nature of NTFS.

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  65. the missing link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i knew they forgot to include something !!

  66. Re:The "Missing Manual" series: I bought it for Wi by qzulla · · Score: 1

    Or previewed it.

    qz

  67. exceptions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Unless youre a system administrator, programmer, or uber-geek, this is probably the only reference source you'll need to learn Microsofts Vista"

    Well that's the entire slashdot audience right there. So why even bother telling us?

  68. GAAAAAH! "it's" is not possessive! by Nino+the+Mind+Boggle · · Score: 1

    The word you wanted in your last sentence is its; it's is a contraction for it is; thus, your sentence would be read as "However it is summary does contain a few."

    Great Hog, to think you made that error in a thread about apostrophes.

    It's is it is; its isn't.

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    1. Re:GAAAAAH! "it's" is not possessive! by bograt · · Score: 1

      Great Hog, to think you made that error in a thread about apostrophes.

      Yeah, you'd almost think it was deliberate, wouldn't you? :)

  69. Wrong forum by Big+Nothing · · Score: 1

    "Unless youre a system administrator, programmer, or uber-geek"

    So... why is the review of this book posted on slashdot?!?

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  70. ActiveX as it pertains to the user by arete · · Score: 1

    ActiveX - as it pertains to the user - is the Microsoft implementation of the idea that random web programmers should get approximately the same kind of access to your machine that a locally running program would.

    That is brain-dead.

    Any use of the same technology outside this realm - or even in an actually "Trusted Zone" setting, like using it to deploy software to machines from an intranet - isn't my problem.

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  71. Perhaps you didn't understand by arete · · Score: 1

    I do not expect that any large software undertaking will necessarily have holes the size, scope, frequency and importance of the Windows ones. Windows is not my stanard for things working correctly.

    But if you've ever developed a large project, bugs happen. And to stop them requires spending an exponential fraction of time on stopping them compared to making new things work. In short, that level of perfection is not economically justifiable. And any live project is a moving target.

    So if I've been brainwashed, I've been brainwashed not by Microsoft, who I wouldn't consider a model at all, but by Apple, various Linux distros, FreeBSD and a variety of good application vendors. Even OpenBSD has had holes. The world isn't perfect.

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  72. OS X by arete · · Score: 1

    My best answer for Joe Sixpack is OS X, although primarily because everything in general configures more smoothly in my experience. But the security infrastructure is basically sudo. It is not harder for a novice to understand, unless that novice is substantially conditioned by Windows already and not a true novice. In OS X, if you do something, it usually works. If you need up-privs, it asks for your same pwd again. Period. But the vast majority of applications NEVER ask for your pwd, even at installation, unless you want them to decrypt passwds stored in the Keychain. (Which isn't mandatory.) And because none of them do, it's quite suspicious when a random application asks for it.

    I'm not merely bashing "user or root" - it's a combination of things that make it ridiculous:

    An application community where only running as the user who installed you is normal and that expects to often make admin changes without any particular rationale.

    No system for having a normal user get enough permission to install something WITHOUT actually changing the "user who installed this" for the previous point.

    Now, in Vista, it gets worse: Anything that seems to be an installer CAN'T behave nicely and not require admin privs. But just malicious code can. *sigh*

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