Really? I thought the ITU had become increasingly irrelevant over the past couple of decades. With ETSI controlling mobile standards, and IETF regulating Internet standards (with W3C specifically for web), what exactly to the ITU do any more? I read the Wikipedia page and it sounds as toothless as the UN itself.
It's detrimental to keeping the science the domain of a snobbish elite. So people that try doing their own experiments are "idiots" unless done under conditions determined syousef? I agree with Carik, they often try to follow basic scientific principles and it is science (albeit rough and ready with a bit of added showbiz at the end for entertainment).
5 million? In a post above I calculate that there are around 11M 12-25yr olds, and they get €25 each. I make that €275,000,000. Though I may well be wrong, feel free to correct me.
France has 63.8 million people, 59.8% of which are 15-60. Assuming a fairly even distribution that works out around 11 million 12-15 yr olds. If they all take advantage then this is a €275,000,000 gift to the record labels from Sarkozy.
Bearing in mind that friend of Sarkozy's family Thierry Lhermitte is board director on the company Trident Media Guard that is enforcing the 3-strikes Internet disconnection "Hadopi", it wouldn't be surprising to find the money from this also making its way back into familiar pockets.
You could try starting with US patent number 6952211 as prior art, filed 2002. It is not referenced in the Microsoft patent, it predates the filing, and it solves the same technical problem.
The question was raised in Nice, when the first red light cameras were introduced this year, what happens if you have to move your car forward when there is an ambulance behind you that needs to get through? The reply was you just have to move the car forward and accept the fine. Apparently sometimes the exceptions have to pay the price for the greater good.
They also did that in Nice, lowering the speed limit on the motorway from 130km/h to 110km/h. Healthy 250,000 flashes at around €85 a pop, that's over €21M to the public coffers last year.
I think cars that are not moving are probably the least dangerous kind. And the city of Nice is about to be littered with speed and traffic light cameras. However speed and traffic light cameras are pretty obvious, CCTV cameras aren't. The former are automatic so you know it's nothing personal, whereas the latter you know there is a person on the other end spying on you.
If the trade-off for losing privacy is the police might catch the person that just mugged you that is one thing. If it's so you can be penalised for picking up your laundry it's another.
Personally I love Kubuntu, and so if the other KDE distros are better then great. Heard good things about OpenSuse. However, I know I can get pretty much any software in existence packaged in a.deb these days, so I've no real desire to switch.
The problem is that your arguments keep flip-flopping between morality and economics. Also your logic quite twisted and perverted.
If a majority of the population decided bank robbery was okay, does that mean we should re-evaluate if robbing banks is really a bad thing? Of course not!
You either have to re-evaluate if robbing banks should be legal (bad thing is subjective) or banks will have to re-evaluate their business model. That's how a capitalist democracy works.
Also the majority recently in the UK *were* in favour of robbing the banks, hence the government instituted a one-off "windfall tax" to take millions from the banks and redistribute it to the tax-payer.
Ultimately, copying someone else's IP, to which you have no rights, means someone didn't get paid. Period.
Potentially but not necessarily.
And if you copied it, you have assigned some value to it. Period.
This is where you are horribly wrong, and the assumption undermines many of your comments through-out this thread. As there is zero distribution cost, and infinite copies can be made with zero effort, an unknown quantity can indeed have zero value.
At best, it means you've inflicted direct financial harm by devaluing of the product in question.
That is patently nonsense.
[snip clueless rant by GooberToo]
If you worked and didn't get paid time and time again, you'd be begging for help and relief with the law too
That last sentence is HILARIOUS. Thanks for making my day. After a paragraph long rant about crooks having a sense of entitlement, it ends with if somebody is producing something that nobody is prepared to pay a cartel for (which produces nothing and gives a pittance to the content creators) then the law should penalise them.
The answer is (a) decentralisation of media distribution, to promote competition, (b) for artists to add value to products, and (c) education via more direct contact with artists to understand that no money = no more product.
Traditionally it's called "Rubber-hose cryptanalysis". It is because beating somebody with a rubber hose causes more internal damage and less external damage, so less evidence should those pesky Human Rights people call around. I guess in the States the police would probably use Tasers to torture the password out of somebody.
Of course, if somebody claims a genuinely random block of data is an encrypted volume (there is no way to tell the difference) then you could be in for a long beating...
I heard some bloke called Ahmadinejad said that Israel should be "wiped off the map". Apparently he is the President of Iran, and is developing nuclear weapons.
I agree with guenda. How on earth is claiming you heard some bloke saying something silly Insightful. Though feel free to link to a bill going through parliament that is taking the vote away from American muslims if one exists.
Well found. The page also explains for dissy above why it has 33 digits:
"Except for 11, all palindromic primes have an odd number of digits, because the divisibility test for 11 tells us that every palindromic number with an even number of digits is a multiple of 11."
There is a reason elections are only every few years, as if the government had to obey every daily opinion poll nothing would get done.
If you really believe people are 'sheeple', then you would know that if every major decision required the consent of the people then Rupert Murdoch would effectively run the country.
It's tough finding a balance between continuity and accountability, but the current version we have is not perfect but not too bad either.
No saying you will "kick the shit out of [me]" is not violence. It's threatening or intimidating if done correctly, and if you are physically bigger than me and actually standing in front of me, poking me in the chest, then it will be all the more so. However I live in a fairly law abiding society and whilst there are people around I probably won't believe you will go through with the threat. Though as you say, it depends on context and intent.
The UK lived under threat from bombs from the IRA during the 80s all the time. Unlike Israel, the chance of one actually going off and killing you were very small. I only know of a couple of people hit by IRA bombs, and none fatally. Calling a bomb threats in the States, which has had incredibly few successful bombings considering the number of religious nuts out there, is different to the very real threat faced by people in a place like Israel.
A prank call to the police accusing somebody of adultery is not a nice thing to do in the States, but the consequences would be far more severe in Iran. It is not like for like.
ACS Law is also now subject to a £500,000 fine under the Data Protections Act as when they brought their site back online after a DDOS they also made a file with their victims' personal details readable which was subsequently downloaded by hackers.
Because only you consider it a form of violence and nobody else does. A prank phone call is not violence, and no matter how much insisting the contrary will make it so.
The assistants and secretaries just get to goof off work for around half an hour at their employers expense. Smokers get an excuse to have another ciggie. I've been evacuated through bomb threats in London, it's no big deal.
Sure. Rather than just clicking a few mouse buttons, or VoIPing a prank call, one may suddenly heave his lard ass out of his swivel chair, pick up a baseball bat, drive all the way to a lawyers office, sneak past security, and batter one of them to death. I mean, it's a pretty thin line huh?
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Really? I thought the ITU had become increasingly irrelevant over the past couple of decades. With ETSI controlling mobile standards, and IETF regulating Internet standards (with W3C specifically for web), what exactly to the ITU do any more? I read the Wikipedia page and it sounds as toothless as the UN itself.
Phillip.
It's detrimental to keeping the science the domain of a snobbish elite. So people that try doing their own experiments are "idiots" unless done under conditions determined syousef? I agree with Carik, they often try to follow basic scientific principles and it is science (albeit rough and ready with a bit of added showbiz at the end for entertainment).
Phillip.
5 million? In a post above I calculate that there are around 11M 12-25yr olds, and they get €25 each. I make that €275,000,000. Though I may well be wrong, feel free to correct me.
Phillip.
France has 63.8 million people, 59.8% of which are 15-60. Assuming a fairly even distribution that works out around 11 million 12-15 yr olds. If they all take advantage then this is a €275,000,000 gift to the record labels from Sarkozy.
Bearing in mind that friend of Sarkozy's family Thierry Lhermitte is board director on the company Trident Media Guard that is enforcing the 3-strikes Internet disconnection "Hadopi", it wouldn't be surprising to find the money from this also making its way back into familiar pockets.
Phillip.
I don't see how pretending to be somebody else in order to obtain information could be misconstrued as "spying".
Phillip.
No, only since 2002.
Phillip.
You could try starting with US patent number 6952211 as prior art, filed 2002. It is not referenced in the Microsoft patent, it predates the filing, and it solves the same technical problem.
Phillip.
The question was raised in Nice, when the first red light cameras were introduced this year, what happens if you have to move your car forward when there is an ambulance behind you that needs to get through? The reply was you just have to move the car forward and accept the fine. Apparently sometimes the exceptions have to pay the price for the greater good.
Phillip.
They also did that in Nice, lowering the speed limit on the motorway from 130km/h to 110km/h. Healthy 250,000 flashes at around €85 a pop, that's over €21M to the public coffers last year.
Phillip.
I think cars that are not moving are probably the least dangerous kind. And the city of Nice is about to be littered with speed and traffic light cameras. However speed and traffic light cameras are pretty obvious, CCTV cameras aren't. The former are automatic so you know it's nothing personal, whereas the latter you know there is a person on the other end spying on you.
If the trade-off for losing privacy is the police might catch the person that just mugged you that is one thing. If it's so you can be penalised for picking up your laundry it's another.
Phillip.
Personally I love Kubuntu, and so if the other KDE distros are better then great. Heard good things about OpenSuse. However, I know I can get pretty much any software in existence packaged in a .deb these days, so I've no real desire to switch.
Phillip.
The problem is that your arguments keep flip-flopping between morality and economics. Also your logic quite twisted and perverted.
If a majority of the population decided bank robbery was okay, does that mean we should re-evaluate if robbing banks is really a bad thing? Of course not!
You either have to re-evaluate if robbing banks should be legal (bad thing is subjective) or banks will have to re-evaluate their business model. That's how a capitalist democracy works.
Also the majority recently in the UK *were* in favour of robbing the banks, hence the government instituted a one-off "windfall tax" to take millions from the banks and redistribute it to the tax-payer.
Ultimately, copying someone else's IP, to which you have no rights, means someone didn't get paid. Period.
Potentially but not necessarily.
And if you copied it, you have assigned some value to it. Period.
This is where you are horribly wrong, and the assumption undermines many of your comments through-out this thread. As there is zero distribution cost, and infinite copies can be made with zero effort, an unknown quantity can indeed have zero value.
At best, it means you've inflicted direct financial harm by devaluing of the product in question.
That is patently nonsense.
[snip clueless rant by GooberToo]
If you worked and didn't get paid time and time again, you'd be begging for help and relief with the law too
That last sentence is HILARIOUS. Thanks for making my day. After a paragraph long rant about crooks having a sense of entitlement, it ends with if somebody is producing something that nobody is prepared to pay a cartel for (which produces nothing and gives a pittance to the content creators) then the law should penalise them.
The answer is (a) decentralisation of media distribution, to promote competition, (b) for artists to add value to products, and (c) education via more direct contact with artists to understand that no money = no more product.
Phillip.
It sounds like a lot of work, and very lucrative. Just as well the cash goes to the good friend of the wife of the President.
Phillip.
Traditionally it's called "Rubber-hose cryptanalysis". It is because beating somebody with a rubber hose causes more internal damage and less external damage, so less evidence should those pesky Human Rights people call around. I guess in the States the police would probably use Tasers to torture the password out of somebody.
Of course, if somebody claims a genuinely random block of data is an encrypted volume (there is no way to tell the difference) then you could be in for a long beating...
Phillip.
I heard some bloke called Ahmadinejad said that Israel should be "wiped off the map". Apparently he is the President of Iran, and is developing nuclear weapons.
I agree with guenda. How on earth is claiming you heard some bloke saying something silly Insightful. Though feel free to link to a bill going through parliament that is taking the vote away from American muslims if one exists.
Phillip.
Well found. The page also explains for dissy above why it has 33 digits:
"Except for 11, all palindromic primes have an odd number of digits, because the divisibility test for 11 tells us that every palindromic number with an even number of digits is a multiple of 11."
Phillip.
There is a reason elections are only every few years, as if the government had to obey every daily opinion poll nothing would get done.
If you really believe people are 'sheeple', then you would know that if every major decision required the consent of the people then Rupert Murdoch would effectively run the country.
It's tough finding a balance between continuity and accountability, but the current version we have is not perfect but not too bad either.
Phillip.
Aw man! Could you have at least put a *spoiler* caption at the top of your post?
Phillip.
I wouldn't like to be the name in the telephone directory that the pin landed on when identifying the 'spies'.
Phillip.
No saying you will "kick the shit out of [me]" is not violence. It's threatening or intimidating if done correctly, and if you are physically bigger than me and actually standing in front of me, poking me in the chest, then it will be all the more so. However I live in a fairly law abiding society and whilst there are people around I probably won't believe you will go through with the threat. Though as you say, it depends on context and intent.
Phillip.
The UK lived under threat from bombs from the IRA during the 80s all the time. Unlike Israel, the chance of one actually going off and killing you were very small. I only know of a couple of people hit by IRA bombs, and none fatally. Calling a bomb threats in the States, which has had incredibly few successful bombings considering the number of religious nuts out there, is different to the very real threat faced by people in a place like Israel.
A prank call to the police accusing somebody of adultery is not a nice thing to do in the States, but the consequences would be far more severe in Iran. It is not like for like.
Phillip.
ACS Law is also now subject to a £500,000 fine under the Data Protections Act as when they brought their site back online after a DDOS they also made a file with their victims' personal details readable which was subsequently downloaded by hackers.
Phillip.
Because only you consider it a form of violence and nobody else does. A prank phone call is not violence, and no matter how much insisting the contrary will make it so.
The assistants and secretaries just get to goof off work for around half an hour at their employers expense. Smokers get an excuse to have another ciggie. I've been evacuated through bomb threats in London, it's no big deal.
Phillip.
Sure. Rather than just clicking a few mouse buttons, or VoIPing a prank call, one may suddenly heave his lard ass out of his swivel chair, pick up a baseball bat, drive all the way to a lawyers office, sneak past security, and batter one of them to death. I mean, it's a pretty thin line huh?
Phillip.
A DDoS is not so bad, but a bomb? There is no justifying it.
There fixed that for you.
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent". The phrasing of the opening sentence does justify Operation Payback's action, if somehow indirectly.
A prank phone call is now violence?
Phillip.