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Anonymous Knocks Out Ministry of Sound Website

An anonymous reader writes "The latest DDoS attack from Anonymous has knocked offline UK solicitor Gallant Macmillian's website, the Ministry of Sound Website and their payment website. Macmillian is currently looking for several hundred identities of suspected file-sharers, accused of uploading artists under the Ministry of Sound label."

240 comments

  1. OMG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Goofus killed Gallant.

    1. Re:OMG by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Wow. Talk about your obscure references. Well done!

    2. Re:OMG by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      A shoutout to Highlights magazine. Nice!

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  2. For a moment I thought... by PaulBu · · Score: 4, Funny

    That UK actually has an official Ministry of Sound (as in, Govt. agency) ! :)

    Paul B.

    1. Re:For a moment I thought... by PaulBu · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And it still feels strange that I managed to actually RTFA (MOS is a litigious recording label over there, apparently), and *still* get the first post -- which probably means that Anonymous works are by now of no interest to an average /.er *at all*! ;)

      Paul B.

    2. Re:For a moment I thought... by jaweekes · · Score: 1

      It's a sillier name than the Ministry of Silly Walks.
      Sorry, but I had to get Python in there somewhere...

    3. Re:For a moment I thought... by PatPending · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yup; it's located next to the Ministry of Silly Walks

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    4. Re:For a moment I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just assumed all the slashdotters were too busy *participating* to FP.

    5. Re:For a moment I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do, it is to the right of the Ministry of Magic. If in doubt, ask Emma Watson for directions, she works in the neighbourhood.

    6. Re:For a moment I thought... by Dr.Syshalt · · Score: 1

      Yes, next to the The Ministry of Silly Walks

    7. Re:For a moment I thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Ministry of Sound looks completely normal next to their famous Ministry of Silly Walks.

    8. Re:For a moment I thought... by DevConcepts · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Right next to the Silly Walks department...

    9. Re:For a moment I thought... by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 1

      The UK has nothing on the REAL ministry of silly walks.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ0ue-XGl9c

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    10. Re:For a moment I thought... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      How the hell do they do that with a straight face? XD

      Also check out that dude's unibrow+handlebar combo }:-{

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  3. Wrong target? by kurokame · · Score: 2, Funny

    Next time point your blasters at Miniluv first. Now you get a happy fun trip to Room 101!

  4. Hope this was what the attack US has warned about by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hope this was what the terrorist attack US warned about yesterday. It seemed pretty restricted then.

  5. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey... that's a nice case you have there. It would be a shame if something happened to it.

    Like... your documentation of child pornagraphy being used against you. It would be a damn shame being labeled a child molester by your neighborhood, even if you're acquited.

    Sincerely, an Anonymous Prosecutor.

  6. Should have stayed relevant by yamamushi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ministry of Sound has been struggling a lot lately, http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/21/ministry-of-sound-threat . They haven't really stayed relevant in the electronic music world lately, so it won't be a big loss to see them disappear in the near future irregardless of file sharers. As a music producer and dj here in Austin, I feel obligated to buy the music I play and remix (mainly because I'm friends with producers who've burned that unspoken respect into my style, Francis Preve, Josh Gabriel, etc.). When labels go out of their way to pursue file sharers, I feel obligated to go out of my way to find their tracks through non-conventional methods. Not everyone has money to dish out for music, but they will pay to go to shows, clubs, raves, etc. Let them appreciate the art! When was the last time Ministry of Sound put out a track that reached the top 10 charts on beatport.com ? When was the last time Toolroom Knights did? Music evolves, and it feels like they pressed the B button to hold themselves back on purpose.

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    1. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      They should have pressed up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A instead.

    2. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what the hell is beatport, and why should i care?

    3. Re:Should have stayed relevant by lightversusdark · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ministry of Sound is still one of the better clubs in London, especially with the closure of Matter, so they are still providing a venue for shows, clubs, raves, etc. The better promoters prefer Fabric as it's not as "corporate" as the others.
      The brand itself has been diluted to worthlessness. You can get MoS branded alarm clocks and iPod docks FFS.
      The label, while being the biggest indie label in the world, just churns out compilations - The Annual, Best of Happy Hardcore volume 40 etc.
      The company does still release credible records, but they are all on imprints like Hed Kandi and particularly Data Records. Eric Prydz is at the top of his game, and Example is riding high in the charts.
      Palumbo is a businessman, and that he would jump on the opportunity to screw a few more pennies out of file-sharers doesn't surprise me in the least.

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    4. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if they were targeted precisely because of their name ("Ministry of Sound" being a Big Brother reference...)

    5. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Adambomb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because you cant possible do without your own copy. I mean, its right in there with food shelter and basic services. Isn't it?

      By implying that you have some sort of need to consume their work but just can't or won't pay for it you're legitimizing the bastards. If no one decided to want personal copies of media that has shitty pricing, then the bastards would die out.

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    6. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your average MoS compilation is bus compressed so hard that I don't dare subject my amps to it, go anywhere near the clip light with that stuff and you know your spending a significant fraction of your time putting out DC.

      Captcha was compress, creepy

    7. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Ross+D+Anderson · · Score: 1

      It may be physically one of the better venues, but the nights they offer are well below par for what can be found with a bit of searching online - They're commercialised to hell and back now and about the only event they put on that's worth visiting is secretsundaze.

    8. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Molt · · Score: 1

      Is it intended to be a Big Brother reference? I always assumed that it had taken inspiration for the name, as Orwell did, from the real life UK ministry names such as "Ministry of Defence" as "Ministry of Justice".

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    9. Re:Should have stayed relevant by dargaud · · Score: 1

      I once purchased a Ministry of Sound CD thinking it was some new or bootleg Ministry and was left wondering what all that Garbage of Sound was.

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    10. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Toy+G · · Score: 1

      No, they are among the very few labels that decided to legally go after small-time "pirates", and certainly the most famous one.

      I know one person IRL who was targeted by Gallant-Macmillian on behalf of MoS. He denied and refused to pay, and they seem to have given up, but this friend is obviously quite wary of p2p now. The chilling effect is, undeniably, working.

      Hell, i was targeted by US copyright lawyers myself: I'm in the UK and I laughed it off, but my ISP didn't and cut the connection (only to re-establish it after a few days). I haven't touched an illegal torrent since then, trying to figure out the best solution for my needs (mixed Linux/Windows environment here, low budget, and I'd like to "get out" in a low-profile country like Russia or similar).

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    11. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Inda · · Score: 1

      How can you say that? MoS helped kill the house scene.

      We went there a few times around '98, '99, 2000. Travelled 150 miles to get there, names on the door and all that stuff. The place was about dressing up, not the music or the scene.

      One time we were upstairs, in a tiny room, and the local DJ was banging. But becuase MoS was not full, it wasn't creating the desired atmosphere so the heavies kicked us out onto a shoulder to shoulder main dancefloor. Bang out of order. We never went back.

      The Cross near Kings Cross was always a better club - is that still open? It was well worth the traveling time.

      Club UK before that was a proper club. I miss those days.

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    12. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you cant possible do without your own copy. I mean, its right in there with food shelter and basic services. Isn't it?

      People keep making that joke, but the answer is, 'yes, it is.'

      Entertainment is pretty important to your mental health. That's why you see people often willing to give up sleep for it, and suffer the next day. It's a valid trade-off.

    13. Re:Should have stayed relevant by tepples · · Score: 1

      Because you cant possible do without your own copy.

      As I understand it, you recommend that I create my own work instead of making an infringing copy of a major-label work. This runs into two difficulties. First, the major labels appear to already own so much of the space of possible works that I'd end up stepping on a copyright landmine if I tried to write and publish my own work. George Harrison got burned for this when it turned out that his song "My Sweet Lord" was too similar to a years-old song written by Ronald Mack. Second, the medium in which a work is published might itself have a gatekeeper. A video game developer tried to publish his game but couldn't due to a platform gatekeeper's bureaucracy.

    14. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, what you're saying is that you're a complete retard.

    15. Re:Should have stayed relevant by The+Hatchet · · Score: 1

      nobody is implying that it is a need. But I have to say I love music, but would most certainly not buy it through major record labels. Download it illicetly and anonymously donate to artist, perhaps, but give to the bastards sharecropping artists? fuck no. And really, demand for good shit doesn't disappear.

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    16. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you are deaf already or wear earplugs. I went there once and they actually had signs written on the wall that you should be wearing ear protection for health and safety (the staff were). So it isn't just their CDs that are "compressed" to the limit.

    17. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Tolkien · · Score: 1

      Irregardless? Reread the word syllable by syllable and tell me how many negations there are in there. I'm quite positive that what you mean is regardless. You're welcome. :)

    18. Re:Should have stayed relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, so they are not relevant enough to "buy", but relevant enough to "obtain by other means."

      get over your bad self with your nonsense pseudophilosophical justifications.

    19. Re:Should have stayed relevant by MacWiz · · Score: 1

      When labels go out of their way to pursue file sharers, I feel obligated to go out of my way to find their tracks through non-conventional methods.

      I personally don't do file sharing, am a musician trying to scrape by a living, but this is the very point I've been trying to make other musicians understand for years, especially the ones who gleefully attack children for seeking out new music.

      The artists and labels who have become vindictive assholes about file sharing are the ones destroying the music industry because their passion for money exceeds their passion for the art. They are the ones who will continue pay the highest price for the War on Music.

  7. Offtopic, but I'm really curious by zill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are there any laws governing what you can legally name your organization?

    Can I register a corporation under the name "Federal government of the United States"?

    1. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by cprocjr · · Score: 1

      It's probably covered by trademark law, or something of the sort.

    2. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Jesse_vd · · Score: 5, Funny

      It worked out pretty well for the Federal Reserve

    3. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by cappp · · Score: 5, Informative
      There are loads of laws that are applicable. Trademark and obscenity are likely to be the ones you run into most - try registering Fucking Microsoft for instance - but there's also a bunch of regulations controlling the use of characters, abbreviations, and all of that. I did a quick search and found a great list of British restrictions on specific terms including

      Accredited, Auditor General for Wales, Bank, British, House of Lords, University,

      and so on. A general rule of thumb - if it has the potential to mislead you probably need to get some permission.

    4. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Noitatsidem · · Score: 1

      To be fair, a ministry can also refer to religion... So... Uh... Wait, is this some crazy cult?

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    5. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Informative

      We've a scam company here in the UK called London Mint Office. It's not affiliated with the real mint at all, but somehow they get away with it. It's just on the right side of legal - the standard 'didn't read the small print,' where the customer is offered what looks like a good deal on a product (A commorative coin) but isn't clearly told that in accepting the agreement they are also agreeing to be direct-debited for a case full of overpriced junk coins every month... and the only way to get out of the deal is via a phone line that is always unavailable.

    6. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by arivanov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Depends on the country.

      15+ years ago the current Bulgarian prime minister business was called "First Private Police". That was in the first years after the fall of the berlin wall and funnily enough they were more efficient and less corrupt than the police proper. IIRC the ministry of the interior tried to sue them for trademarke infringment and failed. So they started stopping their cars for 2h checks every time they had to attend to an incident in progress, arrest their staff for nealry anything and so on until they forced a name change.

      So it depends. The government has "its ways". Now are they going to apply them is a different matter

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    7. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this marked as funny? It's true, and it's rather sad.

    8. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Informative

      We've a scam company here in the UK called London Mint Office. It's not affiliated with the real mint at all, but somehow they get away with it. It's just on the right side of legal - the standard 'didn't read the small print,' where the customer is offered what looks like a good deal on a product (A commorative coin) but isn't clearly told that in accepting the agreement they are also agreeing to be direct-debited for a case full of overpriced junk coins every month... and the only way to get out of the deal is via a phone line that is always unavailable.

      If its a direct debit then it is clearly not the only way. Cancel your direct debit - most banks let you do it online.

    9. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by dargaud · · Score: 3, Informative

      Are there any laws governing what you can legally name your organization? Can I register a corporation under the name "Federal government of the United States"?

      Years ago in France a guy did name his company "Trésor Publicité". A perfectly good name. Except that he used it to cash intercepted checks intended for the "Trésor Public" [the french revenue service], just adding the 3 letters at the end. Guess how that worked out for him... Hint: never steal money from thieves, they don't take kindly to it.

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    10. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 2, Informative

      Which would be a breach of contract if they play their cards right, leaving you even more fucked up than in the previous situation.

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    11. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      That's the list for Limited Liability Partnerships (the equivalent of a limited company for lawyers, accountants, etc.)

      Probably more relevant to Slashdotters is the limited company list. Which is actually quite similar.

    12. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      So... Uh... Wait, is this some crazy cult?

      Close, but you're one letter out and it should be pluralised.

    13. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Informative

      Which would be a breach of contract if they play their cards right, leaving you even more fucked up than in the previous situation.

      Not if key details of the contract were only in the fine print, and the cancellation number unavailable. You would have two defences: 1) The Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977, and 2) You made reasonable attempts to notify the company about the cancellation.

      I would be very surprised if they even took you as far as the court for that.

    14. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Are there any laws governing what you can legally name your organization?

      Yes, quite a few. In the UK, terms like Royal aren't allowed (except by royal appointment, I suppose). Probably in all countries, the official prefixes/suffixes for Limited companies (Ltd, PLC, Inc, etc.) aren't allowed if your company doesn't fit that description.

    15. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by DrXym · · Score: 3, Informative
      Are there any laws governing what you can legally name your organization?

      In Britain there are naming rules that require names be unique, none infringing, don't imply a connection to government or royalty, are not offensive, or confusing (e.g. Limited ltd). There are certain additional rules when you include words like Vet, Doctor, Solicitor etc. in your company name.

      Even with the rules it doesn't stop some scummy ambulance chasing companies trying to pass themselves off as official sounding accident boards and such like.

    16. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good question. I'd love to register the "Department of Redundancy Department".

    17. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by drej · · Score: 1

      if it has the potential to mislead you probably need to get some permission.

      Which means you can't have any kind of fruit in your name, and neither anything sounding even remotely like 'pod'.

    18. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by pinkeen · · Score: 1

      I once owned fuck-microsoft.com domain. Made it look similar (colors, fonts, gradients, etc.) to a MS site, but it was just kind of my homepage. Nobody even wrote me an e-mail.

    19. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by ooshna · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's because no one ever visited your site.

    20. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 0, Troll

      United States is already Incorporated, as are most cities:

      The date is February 21, 1871 and the Forty-First Congress is in session. I refer you to the "Acts of the Forty-First Congress," Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62. On this date in the history of our nation, Congress passed an Act titled: "An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia." This is also known as the "Act of 1871." What does this mean? Well, it means that Congress, under no constitutional authority to do so, created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia, which is a ten mile square parcel of land.

      What??? How could they do that? Moreover, WHY would they do that? To explain, let's look at the circumstances of those days. The Act of 1871 was passed at a vulnerable time in America. Our nation was essentially bankrupt — weakened and financially depleted in the aftermath of the Civil War. The Civil War itself was nothing more than a calculated "front" for some pretty fancy footwork by corporate backroom players. It was a strategic maneuver by European interests (the international bankers) who were intent upon gaining a stranglehold on the neck (and the coffers) of America.

      The Congress realized our country was in dire financial straits, so they cut a deal with the international bankers — (in those days, the Rothschilds of London were dipping their fingers into everyone's pie) thereby incurring a DEBT to said bankers. If we think about banks, we know they do not just lend us money out of the goodness of their hearts. A bank will not do anything for you unless it is entirely in their best interest to do so. There has to be some sort of collateral or some string attached which puts you and me (the borrower) into a subservient position. This was true back in 1871 as well. The conniving international bankers were not about to lend our floundering nation any money without some serious stipulations. So, they devised a brilliant way of getting their foot in the door of the United States (a prize they had coveted for some time, but had been unable to grasp thanks to our Founding Fathers, who despised them and held them in check), and thus, the Act of 1871 was passed.

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    21. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      A long time ago (I guess around the time of Star Wars Episode I) my friends owned Microsith.com and ran it off a shared server that had various other projects from the group.

      It looked pretty much like Microsoft.com at the time, except with lots of Star Wars references. It got a fair few visitors, including some from Microsoft, and we never received any lawyer letters. Of course we also weren't selling anything, not even advertising. No Google Ads back then.

    22. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 1

      Example:

      "Ballard was its own incorporated town for 17 years, annexed as its own ward. West Seattle incorporated in 1902, then annexed Spring Hill, Riverside, Alki Point, and Youngstown districts. It was the largest of the incorporated towns to be annexed. Southeast Seattle merged with the towns of Hillman City and York, then incorporated for the only reason of being annexed. Georgetown was the last of the small incorporated cities (towns, actually) to be annexed to Seattle before 1950."

      Excerpted from this section:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neighborhoods_in_Seattle#Annexations

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    23. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Ex-MislTech · · Score: 1

      Maybe Banksters read slashdot...

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    24. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by zoloto · · Score: 1

      and federal express

    25. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you wind up in court for breach of contract. Of course, don't expect to win, as they have armies of lawyers paid to ensure that their method of making a living remains.

      The only way to deal with these types. First, if you did a bank debit, call yourself fucked. If you had them on a credit card, have the card flagged as stolen. Eventually they will demand one last sum through a bill collection agency, but at least they are out of your wallet.

    26. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by DrXym · · Score: 2, Informative

      A quick google shows how absurd virtually everything you wrote is.

    27. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Well, it means that Congress, under no constitutional authority to do so, created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia, which is a ten mile square parcel of land."

      Article I, Section VIII. "The congress shall have power ... to exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may...become the Seat of the Government of the United States" et cetera, et cetera.

      but why read the Constitution when you're yelling about something being unconstitutional?

    28. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by KarrdeSW · · Score: 1

      A long time ago (I guess around the time of Star Wars Episode I) my friends owned Microsith.com

      Awww, that used to be my homepage. I found it unbelievably entertaining. Oh nostalgia.

    29. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by gorzek · · Score: 1

      Parent post is lifted pretty much verbatim from here: http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm

      God forbid people post their own thoughts on Slashdot.

    30. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Then you wind up in court for breach of contract. Of course, don't expect to win, as they have armies of lawyers paid to ensure that their method of making a living remains.

      The only way to deal with these types. First, if you did a bank debit, call yourself fucked. If you had them on a credit card, have the card flagged as stolen. Eventually they will demand one last sum through a bill collection agency, but at least they are out of your wallet.

      You obviously have never had court dealings with a company. They will threaten all the way up to appearing in court, but back down. Actually I would easily expect to win a case like this it would be open and shut, but as soon as you make your case clear and make it clear that you will report the outcome to the media I can almost guarantee that they will back down.

      Court and publicity would be a lose-lose situation for them - even if they win everyone will know about their scam. BTW I have had court threats several times and in one case taken a scam company to court myself (they settled as soon as they received the summons)

    31. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by imakemusic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When Railtrack Plc - the company that ran the British railway system - was sold to Network Rail, the name Railtrack became available at Companies House. Some enterprising bloke registered Railtrack Ltd and proceeded to mess people about by answering their letters (PDF). Worth a read.

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    32. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Moryath · · Score: 1

      Hey, we have one here in the US! They call themselves the "New York Mint" and claim they are constantly "unearthing" rare/valuable coins from hidden treasure troves, old swiss bank vaults, etc.

    33. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by NightHwk1 · · Score: 1

      There's one here in the US called the Franklin Mint that does the same thing.

    34. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      The last thing they want is the publicity of a court case. I'm not in the UK, but I would expect them to threaten and make noise but stop before they actually got to court.

      Money from one customer isn't worth potentially educated thousands of others...

    35. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Their ads are hilarious. "With the price of gold rising we won't be able to offer this deal for long" - when said $100 coin has $0.50 of gold plating on it...

    36. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Now might be a good time to up those meds.

    37. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

      Well, there is Federal Express and the United Postal Service.

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    38. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      Oh, my stomach, it's in stitches!

    39. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do, can I please immigrate to your corporation?

    40. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by shentino · · Score: 1

      I believe it's already covered under false and fraudulent advertising.

      If you register a corporation with a name with the intent to use said name to deceive people, then you are committing fraud.

      However, if you do so for parody reasons, such as whitehouse.com vs whitehouse.gov, you're probably in the clear.

      I think it just depends on intent, like many other things in the law.

      With such a name though, it would be pretty hard to argue that your intent wasn't fraudulent.

    41. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by choongiri · · Score: 1

      Please, mod parent funny. That pdf is absolutely hilarious.

    42. Re:Offtopic, but I'm really curious by chester_nut · · Score: 1

      In Australia last year the advertising show 'The Gruen Transfer' successfully registered the company name '9 out of 10 experts', so they could say '9 out of 10 experts approve of product XYZ'

  8. hmmm by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

    The Ministry of Sound sounds like it could be an 80's rap group. Anyway, I would put money on them trying to identify and sue all the IPs DDOSing them.

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    1. Re:hmmm by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1

      Dude, DDOSing with proxies would slow down your interval JUST A LITTLE BIT. I don't think that would work lol. I think the theory is there are so many thousands of IPs that singling one out would be pointless and possibly not even legal and getting info on all of them would be impossible.

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    2. Re:hmmm by pyrosine · · Score: 1

      The trick of the matter is that there are genuine botnets taking part (and when I say that, I mean probably doing most of the DDoSing) so identifying and suing all DDoSers would end up with them having more compaints than ACS:Law ever did

  9. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL

    You have no case with what you just said.

  10. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Vegemeister · · Score: 3, Funny

    Heheh... "Body of Evidence". So that's what they're calling it these days?

  11. When I was a kid we just played pool all day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's nice to see kids these days cooperating with each other to make the world a better place.

  12. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I notified the FBI that 4han was keeping CP on their servers and by way of that distributing it. 4chan received the threat of immediate shut down unless spam was removed and the chans were moderated.

    LOL, you poor fool.

  13. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm with you on all points, but why are you so angry at Canada Post?!

  14. Not enough lulz, it is insufficient. by Securityemo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From a purely digital pyromania perspective (I am not a participant in this, but I like to watch things burn) it would be much more fun if the internal networks and personal computers of these organizations where infiltrated (and counterattacks mounted by hired crackers, of course.) Why doesn't this happen? Would we ever know if it had? (I think we would, actually, as long as the attack was detected.) Is it a question of competence or cowardice? These ineffectual DDOS attacks are getting boring. ;_;

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    1. Re:Not enough lulz, it is insufficient. by Omnifarious · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What would be the most amusingly effective is to infiltrate the computers of these organizations and start running filesharing software on them handing out copies of stuff that you just know the MPAA, RIAA or some other organization is going to be really hot about.

      Explaining to a judge how their filesharing was totally innocent even though their IP addresses were flagged would be really fun to watch. Also, in 3-strikes jurisdictions, watching their ISPs kick them off the net would also be huge fun.

    2. Re:Not enough lulz, it is insufficient. by Securityemo · · Score: 4, Funny

      People just don't understand me. Why can't they just accept that we have different sexual drives in life? ;_;

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    3. Re:Not enough lulz, it is insufficient. by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      It would be thrown out. I do however see some potential for disrupting the personal lives of the people actually in the organization. Collateral damage should be easy to control as long as the attacker has access to internal communication, yes?

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    4. Re:Not enough lulz, it is insufficient. by mpe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What would be the most amusingly effective is to infiltrate the computers of these organizations and start running filesharing software on them handing out copies of stuff that you just know the MPAA, RIAA or some other organization is going to be really hot about.

      Would you need to? It's not like much evidence appears to be required to accuse a member of the public. Also the MPAA has already been caught "pirating" a movie and software (OSS which takes some serious effort to pirate).

      Explaining to a judge how their filesharing was totally innocent even though their IP addresses were flagged would be really fun to watch.

      How many such accusations go anywhere near a court.

      Also, in 3-strikes jurisdictions, watching their ISPs kick them off the net would also be huge fun.

      In such jurisdictions accusations which count as a "strike" have to be made by "annointed entities". Possibly they wouldn't do anything if both accused and accuser were both such entities.

    5. Re:Not enough lulz, it is insufficient. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Even the DDoS could be more effective in causing disruption if it were retargetted. The websites don't ultimatly matter a lot, except for that payment system. So concentrate on the payment system, and the email servers. No email means a serious disruption to business operations.

    6. Re:Not enough lulz, it is insufficient. by Securityemo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, I'd simply love to 3. But I'm a bit blushing towards building up the protected double-life required for my mommy/gf not finding out about my randy gay orgies with turkish assboys and imported russian manwhores. She'd be so very, very disappointed in me. Ah, santorum, how I long for thee.

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    7. Re:Not enough lulz, it is insufficient. by NoZart · · Score: 1

      because doing so would actually need some more effort than just run a script, i believe. And the majority of 4chan are morons.

    8. Re:Not enough lulz, it is insufficient. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it odd that the CD pressing and their shipping arrangements haven't been taken out. Once the CD/DVD people can't ship their plastic, their money drys up and around Christmas, they could disappear in less than a few weeks.

    9. Re:Not enough lulz, it is insufficient. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      despite journalists banding around the word 'hacker', these attacks dont even qualify under the media's use of the word. they are as you say, just DDOS, although they aren't necessarily innefectual. the one the other week against ACS law made their sysops bungle things so badly that they put a backup.zip on the front page whilst trying to restore, which lead to the leak of thousands of people's personal info, internal accounting spreadsheets etc. whilst some people involved may be tallented and bold enough to actually infiltrate the internal networks, what these attacks are are just a few thousand people from /b/ pointing LOIC at specific websites at specific times.

    10. Re:Not enough lulz, it is insufficient. by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      I do wonder if the effeminate behavior is more bothersome to some people than the actual homosexual conduct.
      Granted, that transmutes a homophobia issue into a gender-roles issue

      * The homosexual-male = effeminate thing seems to be one of many stereotypes often true, yet often false

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  15. This isn't helping by Omnifarious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have a lot more respect for the Pirate Party than these Anonymous DDOS attacks. Though I guess I didn't mind too much when they turn-abouts-fair-played the one company awhile back. Ultimately though, resorting to the same tactics as RIAA or whatever other group doesn't help anybody and just makes the attempt to get lawmakers to see reason even more difficult. :-(

    1. Re:This isn't helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      any system that fails to leave viable options for civil dissent opens itself to uncivil dissent.

    2. Re:This isn't helping by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      "and just makes the attempt to get lawmakers to see reason even more difficult"

      Then they'll just piss more people off. If they remove even more freedoms, they might even alert the average idiot. Then again, I doubt they would do anything, as most people don't even know how to fight for their rights anymore, or care to do so. Some of them even think that breaking the law is always 'bad', I'm willing to bet.

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    3. Re:This isn't helping by Nursie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      'Some of them even think that breaking the law is always 'bad', I'm willing to bet."

      SOME?

      I went on a tour of Alcatraz a few years back, and the guide stopped to explain how the island had been taken over by students/protestors after it had closed as a prison, as a protest about the disenfranchisement of the Native American populations.

      It was when she said "And sometimes when we look back from many years afterwards, we can see that (very rarely) breaking the law might be justified or at least we can try to understand their motivations".

      That shocked me. That it needed to be spelled out that clearly to some people, that sometimes people break the law for the right reasons, not because they're just hippie scum. It was then that I realised how straight-and-narrow a lot of folks see life. I don't know if they just don't think for themselves or if the buy all the bullshit or what. A lot of people won't even disagree with the government.

      Hell, in the UK I heard people say "well if the government tell us we need to go to war in Iraq, then we must need to, it's not like they'd do it for no reason". Now I don't care which side of the should we/shouldn't we debate on iraq you come down on, the government's duty is to prove to the population that invasion of a foreign country is necessary. And the people's duty is to look at and question that proof.

      bah. "Sheeple" is an overused cliche, but I truly believe it fits for a lot of people.

    4. Re:This isn't helping by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      The thousands of lives question is, when does it get there?

    5. Re:This isn't helping by Adambomb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I run out of gin.

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    6. Re:This isn't helping by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree, but it gets the issue in the news. Eventually people start asking why they keep doing this, and knowledgeable people should be able to reply with decent, neutral information about copyright problems, enforcement by barratry, settlement letters and why they put the little guy at risk. Add on things like these are the same companies responsible for DRM (can't copy your music where you want to) and levies on blank media used for non-infringing purposes (backup, pictures, your own legally purchased CDs), and it's a great public-relations opportunity.

      Even worse, RIAA settlement money goes back into the RIAA coffers, not to the artists. RIAA started this, anyone else now is copyright troll and doesn't even pretend to defend the artists. This is a business model, not copyright enforcement.

      The tough part is, the people leading the charge leave it up to other people to explain their actions.

    7. Re:This isn't helping by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      "the government's duty is to prove to the population that invasion of a foreign country is necessary"

      The government's duty is to obey the people. If the government can make drastic decisions such as this without the consent of a majority of the people, we will keep seeing the same corruption and stupidity that plagues us currently.

      "but I truly believe it fits for a lot of people."

      99%, I'd say.

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    8. Re:This isn't helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what isn't helping is people blaming file sharing for lost sales. lost sales = poor content, bad marketing, and now to top it off, bad reputation, punishing fans (even if they are too stingy or poor to buy cd's). when a company brings out the lawyers to assault little, mostly poor individuals to make examples of them, they WILL get an example made of them, even if only in the spectacle of their quivering, convulsive death throes. sorry guys, i am not Anonymous, i wouldn't have a clue how or where they organise anything, but when a publisher starts siccing lawyers on people who obviously like the product, i can't help but smile at the growing symmetry i see in front of me.

      tell the publishing industry, in general, to grow up and realise that people passing on their media for free are not PIRATES, the dictionary definition of pirate, until the days of audio cassettes, always were at base, thieves, as in, they stole REAL money and valuables. the people sharing files are people who probably, by and large, buy a lot of media, but are such voracious media hounds that they like to gather a bit more. i personally spent about aud$5000 in the last few years on indie cd releases, and i probably have over the years downloaded about the same amount as my income is low. studies have shown that people who download spend more on media than those who don't.

      blame the banks if you want to know who the real thieves are. and blame the government cronies that are in their pockets, bought like the corrupt pigs they are. if they weren't pillaging the economy so much and working their butt off to inflate the economy so much so they can suck the real money out of it, then maybe people would stop sharing files so much.

      Anonymous won't go away, just the same as teenage angst is never going to go away (perhaps there is a relationship between the two). and poverty won't go away until the law prosecutes thieves who have so much money they can buy their way out.

      in the immortal words of Andrew Denton: 'society is to blame'

    9. Re:This isn't helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DDOS was always in the anonymous toolbox though.

    10. Re:This isn't helping by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      They're public servants, not public slaves, so they should serve rather than obey. The crucial difference is that they should actually use some judgement. A good servant will prevent his master from doing something stupid.

    11. Re:This isn't helping by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      A tour-guide for alcatraz might have been a somewhat self-selecting sample. But I agree with you. Some sympathy must be had with the people who think "If i just do everything right, I'm a good person and everything will be okay."

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    12. Re:This isn't helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing wholesome about kiting letters that amount to extortion or blackmail, leveraging off illegally collected information in 3rd countries to get around the data protection Act and various privacy acts, and making false assertions under oath.

      As it stands it is a civil case, and if a few mudslingers get rejected by internet land, so be it. And don't expect the nancy .gov to do anything - they could not protect themselves or online casinos, when a whining lawyer declares 'they dont like me and are being mean'.

    13. Re:This isn't helping by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Their goal isn't to help, and they don't care about your respect, or mine. Let's be clear that they're doing it for the lulz, and short of tracking them all down and kicking them in their tiny shrivelled nutsacks, the only way to get them to stop is to throw a shiny ball in the other direction.

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    14. Re:This isn't helping by horza · · Score: 1

      There is a reason elections are only every few years, as if the government had to obey every daily opinion poll nothing would get done.

      If you really believe people are 'sheeple', then you would know that if every major decision required the consent of the people then Rupert Murdoch would effectively run the country.

      It's tough finding a balance between continuity and accountability, but the current version we have is not perfect but not too bad either.

      Phillip.

    15. Re:This isn't helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's a show of strength - lots of little people combining to harass the big player(s). When The System[tm] is trying to divide and conquer file sharers by sending these extortion letters, a group show of strength is a little reminder. If actual system vandalism/destruction was the point then I think you'd find enough people with the necessary skills hanging around /b amongst the trolls.

    16. Re:This isn't helping by delinear · · Score: 1

      More than a million people turned up in London to protest the war in Iraq, I'm pretty sure it was the biggest single protest the country has ever seen, so I think you're being a little quick to toss out the sheeple cliché (albeit the government just ignored their wishes anyway, which is the really sickening part - they complain about voter apathy but when a significant portion of the country turns up to make their views heard on a subject and are ignored, why should voters be anything but).

    17. Re:This isn't helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Informative if I had points.

    18. Re:This isn't helping by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      bah. "Sheeple" is an overused cliche, but I truly believe it fits for a lot of people

      baaaaaaah, humbug.

    19. Re:This isn't helping by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The copyright lobby is using every conceivable way of defending their position. Legal, doubtfully legal, illegal. Against the masses, against individuals. Changing laws, creating new laws, ignoring laws.

      It's only fair to reply in kind, using several different ways. Lobby counter-work is important, as is legal support for the innocents caught in the net, as is legal support for the guilty so that they get a fair trial and a fair punishment and not these ridiculous witch-burnings. Technological counters to protect our privacy against the dragnets are important, and at times a counter-attack can reveal what legal activities would have never managed to uncover - as in this case.

      I, too, support the Pirate Party more than a DDoS. Which is why I'm a member of my local PP chapter, but not of Anonymous. But that doesn't mean I don't like what they're doing.

      And frankly, the press articles on this and the revelations about the dirty tricks played by those who label themselves the righteous are a lot more likely to change public opinion and then maybe politicians' minds than the most civilized and measured talking.

      You can not win against a trained slimebag with words alone. You are going up against people who have been lying professionally for many years, and the truth is harder to convince people with, because it is more complex, less black-and-white, and usually incomplete. A clear, simple and well-rounded lie will always beat it. Everything else is the stuff of books and movies, but not the real world.

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    20. Re:This isn't helping by mlts · · Score: 1

      This is a nasty feedback loop. I can see laws being passed in the UK out of knee-jerk reaction which will make life worse for every UK citizen. Perhaps nationwide NAC forcing people to type in their ID number before they get the ability to send packets out? Couple this with large prison sentences for tampering/removing the software.

      There are universities which not just block traffic, but use NAC to force software to be installed on any computers connected. This software not just blocks creation of VPNs and port forwardings, but allows for scanning for software and documents at anytime by the upstream provider.

      I can see this on a nationwide level. Green Dam may not have worked well, but neither did the first generation of spyware. Things improve, and I can see lawmakers mandating a "lawful compliance" package which not just adds more spying capabilities, but locks out all non mainstream operating systems. All "for the children" or "for national security", of course.

    21. Re:This isn't helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if the government had to obey every daily opinion poll nothing would get done.

      I wish such an utopia were so easy to achieve. Unfortunately, the more likely scenario is that a whole lot of shit would get done, because people think the government should do everything. It might be even worse than the current state of affairs.

    22. Re:This isn't helping by kevinNCSU · · Score: 2, Funny

      went on a tour of Alcatraz a few years back, and the guide stopped to explain how the island had been taken over by students/protestors after it had closed as a prison,

      Ah, those were the days of REAL protesters when they put THEMSELVES in jail. These spineless wannabe protesters these days want the government to do that for them too.

    23. Re:This isn't helping by invid · · Score: 1

      Be careful what you wish for. A lot of those sheeple don't agree with you on a variety of issues, and if they suddenly rose up and decided to break laws for their causes--however whacky the causes--things would get messy.

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    24. Re:This isn't helping by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      "The crucial difference is that they should actually use some judgement."

      Sorry, not happening. Unless the people are given more power, the government will continue to be corporate tools.

      "A good servant will prevent his master from doing something stupid."

      Allows for too much corruption. It is the peoples country.

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    25. Re:This isn't helping by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      "if the government had to obey every daily opinion poll nothing would get done"

      Not daily opinion, but facts. There would still be restrictions on what could pass (which the people would help ensure), but any major decision that affects the people would be voted on. This probably wouldn't have worked a long time ago when we didn't have advanced communication technology, but now that we do, such a task has become much easier.

      "is not perfect but not too bad either."

      The version we have now is ruining us with corruption and greed.

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    26. Re:This isn't helping by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Wait... a slightly better system is a utopia, now? I guess the current system is so terrible that people even think a slight improvement would be perfect.

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    27. Re:This isn't helping by Omnifarious · · Score: 1

      A well written and reasoned response. :-) I'll have to think more carefully about my feelings on the subject.

      I prefer the term 'copyright protectionists' as I think it conveys more clearly exactly what the problem is and therefor makes a better soundbite

    28. Re:This isn't helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I trusted the wisdom and expertise of the US government when it assured everyone that Iraq was a threat and their possession and eventual use of weapons that could obliterate nations was imminent. Now we all know they were wrong and we drove a leader (albeit a bad one) into a hole in the ground to be hung by his own people.

      This is "fresh" as history goes.. and look at how many people just breeze over it, even the ones who were protesting it at the time.

    29. Re:This isn't helping by darthdavid · · Score: 1

      Stop, for just a moment, and think before you open your mouth. Less stupid shit might come out if you do.

      Unless you seriously believe that there's nothing the government does better than private industry. If that's the case I'd like to direct your attention to police, firemen, roads, the military, consumer protection laws etc...

      To spell it out, without regulation businesses will take undue advantage of their employees and customers and while the free market would theoretically solve this issue it's quite possible to bypass the mechanisms that would fix this by creating a monopoly or oligopoly. Likewise, unions can't protect their members without government support because companies will just bring in scabs or union busters. And if a company owns all the channels of communication what's to stop them from just preventing anyone from finding out about how many people their other operations are fucking over?

      Even if you ignore that issue, the fact of the matter is that there are some necessary services (examples above) that just won't get done adequately by private industry. These are services that simply can't (or shouldn't) be run at a profit or that can't realistically choose not to help someone just because they chose not to pony up (and if the government wasn't collecting taxes some people would certainly make that choice).

      Of course there's also the management of public resources. The classic example there is the "Tragedy of the Commons". Imagine a town field. Farmers can all graze their animals there for free. Individually it makes sense to do as much grazing there as possible, less feed to buy, more profits. You get the idea. But if everyone does that all the grass will die and then no one will be able to graze there anymore. Now if you're a hardcore libertarian you're probably thinking "somone should just buy up the field, and charge for it's use, then they'll have an incentive to prevent overgrazing" and while that might be a viable solution for that particular problem there are plenty of things where it just won't work. Take pollution. You almost certainly live in a first world nation and while many (myself included) would argue that we need stricter environmental laws no one alive in the first world today has experienced the worst excesses people will inflict on the environment in the name of profit. Rivers and lakes turned to toxic sludge, mountains leveled to get the coal from under them (oh wait we still do this) and so much soot in the air that every exposed surface gets turned black (google peppered moth for an idea of how extreme this was).

      Seriously, we need the government and we need it to be able to actually get shit done. You can (and should) argue about just what it should be doing but to suggest that it shouldn't be doing anything or should be completely abolished goes beyond naivete and straight into the realm of delusional fantasy. We've seen what a state looks like without a government (Somalia), we've seen the excesses that corporations go to when they're not properly leashed, all I can really add at this point is that those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it...

    30. Re:This isn't helping by lennier · · Score: 1

      we drove a leader (albeit a bad one) into a hole in the ground to be hung by his own people.

      Hey now, that's a rather extreme way of describing the Iraq war's effect on George W Bush's voter approval rating. A 'spider hole' indeed.

      Oh btw, don't you guys have some midterm elections coming up soon? Sure hope the voters remember which party started an illegal war of choice, lied about it to the UN, almsot completely disgraced America as the ethical leader of the free world, and that that party isn't anywhere near swinging back into power on a wave of vague yet stirring populist anti-government rhetoric!

      (sigh)

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    31. Re:This isn't helping by sjames · · Score: 1

      To be fair, after over a decade of trying to reason with lawmakers, they have consistently moved against reason. There comes a point where people will just give up on that and move towards a more direct form of justice.

      The American Revolution started with some hooligans destroying imported goods. I'm sure there were some who commented that such actions would only tick the king off.

      Only time will tell if this is the beginning of individuals taking back their rights to culture from the corporations or if it's just a few shenanigans.

      That will largely be decided based on the DDOS spreading or dying out.

    32. Re:This isn't helping by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      This is an idealised situation. There's no way to ensure that the politicians obey us either and I assumed that was a proposed ideal situation. If the politicians did what the people wanted they'd eliminate taxes and double spending. The idea is that since it's the peoples' county, we should select our leaders from the people choosing those who are the most able and most determined to make the place better for the people. The problem is that democracy turns out not to be a very good way of doing this, and its only saving grace is that it's better than anythng else we've tried.

    33. Re:This isn't helping by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      "If the politicians did what the people wanted they'd eliminate taxes and double spending"

      Not if the people didn't want to 'ruin' (as long as we continue to use worthless artificial currency, at least) their country (as in, their country, not a politicians). Their choice.

      "should select our leaders"

      Here is part of the problem. There is no guarantee (far from it) that they will actually carry out their promises. They could say that they hate corrupt corporations before the elections, and then after they win, accept bribes from said corrupt corporations to construct treaties such as the ACTA. Too much room for corruption.

      "its only saving grace is that it's better than anythng else we've tried."

      We haven't tried much else, including my suggestion. Also, what I suggested was, in fact, a democracy. It was just closer to a direct democracy than anything else.

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    34. Re:This isn't helping by Tom · · Score: 1

      I like the term. I think I may copy it.

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    35. Re:This isn't helping by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Not if the people didn't want to 'ruin' (as long as we continue to use worthless artificial currency, at least) their country (as in, their country, not a politicians).

      But people (collectively) are stupid. As a group they can make a decision that none of them would be daft enough to make on their own. But even if they do manage to avoid doing this, how do they make the right decision? Politicians have advisors who are experts in their fields.

      There is no guarantee (far from it) that they will actually carry out their promises.

      You can work on past performance, or plausibility of their promises, or their past record in other careers. Sadly, as observed, people are stupid, and trust politicians even after they lie.

      We haven't tried much else, including my suggestion. Also, what I suggested was, in fact, a democracy. It was just closer to a direct democracy than anything else.

      California has something approaching that. Various people have commented on the problems, so Google "California direct democracy budget" for a selection.

    36. Re:This isn't helping by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      "But people (collectively) are stupid"

      So are politicians. They will certainly doom themselves either way. Besides that, I said there would be fewer restrictions, not none. If need be, taxes could be one of those restrictions. This isn't one way or the other, there's plenty of ways to improve the idea without simply scrapping it and calling it impossible (it's not).

      "Politicians have advisors who are experts in their fields."

      It's pretty odd then how they all manage to be tools of large corporations to push for treaties such as the ACTA and such, isn't it? I'm sorry, but there is simply too much room for corruption this way.

      "You can work on past performance"

      Really? Does this appear to be working now? Hint: it isn't.

      "California has something approaching that"

      Again, with restrictions. I'm not talking about a full-fledged direct democracy where the peoples will is absolute law, just much more so than now (as in, there would be some restrictions, as said above).

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  16. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    4han... now with ewok pron?

  17. Yeah well by oldmac31310 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Get some free music and share my stuff here. I didn't RTFA and don't really care. Suing people over music is just a bonehead thing to do. See my sig and it will lead you to many musical delights - and horrors!

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  18. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've seen this post dozens of times now. I'd be rather surprised if it were the same person every time, and highly suspect it's nothing more than a carefully engineered piece of fiction designed to get responses such as yours.

    tl;dr: it's a troll dude.

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  19. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    OP did look for CP and check them all out.
    To have proof he must have many examples of them, him not being an officer acting on a case makes him a guy just collecting child pornography

    We can't have pervs like him on the web!

  20. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was wondering why my cheese pizza was never delivered. That failure totally ruined my dinner date with Theo de Raadt.

  21. Holy poorly written summary batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I had to read the summary 3 times before I actually understood what transpired. It would be nice if:
    a)You explained what Anonymous was(is it a group? an unknown attacker? A kind of bug spray?)
    b)You explained what the Ministry of Sound is.
    c)You didn't repeat the word "website" 3 times in one sentence.

    1. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      It would be nice if:
      a)You explained what Anonymous was(is it a group? an unknown attacker? A kind of bug spray?)

      Its you!

    2. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be nice if:
      a)You explained what Anonymous was(is it a group? an unknown attacker? A kind of bug spray?)

      Its you!

      How did you find out? I... I thought I was anonymous!

    3. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      "c)You didn't repeat the word "website" 3 times in one sentence."

      It's a word. Was it used correctly? If so, it's fine.

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    4. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by nacturation · · Score: 1

      I had to read the summary 3 times before I actually understood what transpired. It would be nice if:

      a)You explained what Anonymous was(is it a group? an unknown attacker? A kind of bug spray?)

      http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=anonymous

      b)You explained what the Ministry of Sound is.

      http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=ministry+of+sound

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    5. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are you English gentlemen !!

    6. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a)You explained what Anonymous was(is it a group? an unknown attacker? A kind of bug spray?)
      b)You explained what the Ministry of Sound is.
      c)You didn't repeat the word "website" 3 times in one sentence.

      i) Bored 'hacker' wankers from 4chan
      ii) An electronic/dance music club + label from the UK. Popular in the 90s.
      iii) It'd be a really big help if summaries didn't have big problems like the one you so biggily mentioned.

    7. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you hated the summary, try reading the article. Yes, I know. No, seriously do it.

      Jesus tap-dancing language failure Christ on a stick is it horrifying. It's like being lost in submissions for Mrs. Teacherton's 5th grade class journalism introduction project.

    8. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      It is poor writing to repeat terms in close succession. Grammatically correct, but stylistically weak. One can almost always find ways to convey the same information without redundancy.

    9. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by AlexiaDeath · · Score: 1

      Right on the money. Anonymous is the internet mob, made up of rather random individuals that a lot like normal on the street protesters decide that a particular entity is being an ass and make it a little bit difficult to do their business by creating a small scale blockade at their entrance for a day. Nothing new or specially nefarious about it, just a normal social dynamic happening on the internet. The targeted entities should deduct from this that they are not winning any fans and if greed allows just take the message for what it is and change their policies.

    10. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      Candlejack, candlejack, can....

    11. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 0, Troll

      Wow. How very intelligent you are. Genius-like really. The rapier-like wit of your post was almost Swift-ian. You're absolutely right of course, why do we even have a summary? Why not just list the relevant keywords so that we can all just Google them and piece together the story ourselves?

    12. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by nacturation · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you've been around Slashdot long enough, you'll have seen many stories about Anonymous. Those who don't know can Google for it and the first link does the trick. I suppose we could assume that everyone doesn't know every proper noun. Then we could have summaries like this:

      "Google, a corporation based primarily in the city of Mountain View, California in the country knows as the United States of America and offering search, email, maps, and other services announced today a deal with Apple, a corporation based out of the city of Cupertino, California in the United States of America that manufactures computer hardware including the iPod (a popular brand of MP3 (a compressed music format designed by Fraunhofer-Gesselshaft (a company located in the country of Germany)) player), iPad (a portable tablet-based computer running OS X (a computer operating system that provides the core services needed for a device to run)), software such as Quicktime (audio and video playback software), iTunes (an application to organize, playback, and purchase music, videos, applications, and to download podcasts (recordings delivered to subscribers via RSS (Really Simple Syndication, a format containing data and metadata about that which is being subscribed to))), as well as operating systems such as OS X. The deal involved the use of Google's map services on Apple's iPhone (a compact mobile device running a functionally reduced version of OS X) and available over WiFi (a wireless transmission protocol designed to allow for information interchange between a device and a wireless base station) and over 3G (a mobile transmission protocol via the cellular networks also allowing for information interchange). Microsoft, a corporation based primary in the city of Redmond, Washington in the United States of America which manufacturers both hardware, including peripherals for computers as well as standalone devices such as the Zune (a portable MP3 player), and software, including its Office suite (a software package including word processing, spreadsheet, presentation, and other applications) and Windows (a computer operating system designed mostly to run on Intel (a corporation based primarily..."

      Yeah, you get the picture. Sometimes we get decent summaries that explain it all, and sometimes you have to Google for a few things. Big deal.

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    13. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > a)You explained what Anonymous was

      It's my personal army.

      AC

    14. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by JustABlitheringIdiot · · Score: 1

      "c)You didn't repeat the word "website" 3 times in one sentence."

      It's a word. Was it used correctly? If so, it's fine.

      You mean like this?
      Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

    15. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking fucks fucking fucked fucks.

    16. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      1) "Anonymous" was capitalized in the summary. That's a big hint that it's a proper noun and not a concept.
      2) I agree
      3) The word website was necessary. They didn't knock anything other than the websites off the 'net, so being non-specific would have been disingenuous.

    17. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      That string of words has no meaning.

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    18. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      That string of words has no meaning.

      It most certainly has a meaning.

      Buffalo (n), the city of Buffalo, in New York;
      Buffalo (n), the animal, also known by the name bison;
      Buffalo (v), to bully, confuse, deceive, or intimidate.

      The full sentence means: “Buffalo bison (which) Buffalo bison bully (themselves) bully Buffalo bison.” Or, more succinctly, Buffalo bison bully each other.

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    19. Re:Holy poorly written summary batman! by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Oh, of course. Now it makes complete sense!

      Cheeks cheeks cheeks cheeks cheeks cheeks cheeks.

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  22. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PROTIP: Moot moved to California for his canv.as startup. Lurk more.

  23. Re:No it's not an official Department of the Minis by billsayswow · · Score: 1

    Ministry and minister can be used in both a religious context and a government context, they aren't using the word incorrectly. Many governments also use those words in those ways. Go home, sit down, turn off the lights, and stay there. Do us a favour.

  24. Typo by PatPending · · Score: 1

    It's Gallant Macmillan, not Gallant Macmillian.

    Now get off my lawn.

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  25. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    given

    this web site

    this site

    this place

    It was probably first posted to 4chan.

  26. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Noitatsidem · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I think I'm detecting a massive amount of "samefags" here.

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  27. Re:No it's not an official Department of the Minis by Adambomb · · Score: 1

    i'd almost prefer if he was right just so i could see what a Defense Ministers church service would be like.

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  28. Re:Fuck Anonymous by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm with you on all points, but why are you so angry at Canada Post?!

    Because they sometime deliver Child Pornography and so should be shut down.

  29. Let them appreciate the art!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When is the last time music made you think?

  30. Why bother with this? by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is stupid. It is just a gadfly and nothing more. They will simply swat it away.
    Instead, it makes far more sense to run through their various servers and locate evidence of illegal actions taken on the part or in behalf of the publishing companies. The simple fact is, that crackers could do a real service by locating evidence of how many illegal actions these companies have taken (and yes, they ALL have ). Then get lawyers to sue these companies AND INDIVIDUALS. Once a few of them go to prison, I suspect that attitudes will change.

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    1. Re:Why bother with this? by Spliffster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, it seems to have worked against ACS Law, the domain does not resolve anymore (since ca. 29. Oct). http://acs-law.org.uk/

      It is very likely that ACS Law will go out of business for doing their shady "porn" extortion. After/During that attack, some 200MB of emails "leaked" which will put the last nail in their coffin: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5850493/ACS-Law_leaked_emails

    2. Re:Why bother with this? by Aceticon · · Score: 1

      In fact, seeing more and more of the mainstream media in the UK dedicating full pages to stories about old-ladies accused by ACS:Law of sharing Porn is way beyond entertaining.

      This is creating a really bad perception in people's mind's about copyright enforcement so much so that "media figures" have spoken agains the way ACS:Law does business - talk about damage control.

      I can't wait for the first grandmothers getting disconnected from the Net thanks to the Digital Economy Act or even better, threatned by the countless shady characters that will be coming out of the woodwork once this government-given legal opportunity for blackmail gets in full swing.

      Given the way the media has spinned this story, the Digital Economy Act might very well turn out to be the thing that puts IP law in the minds of ordinary people as a bad thing that needs fixing.

  31. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I time how long the threads remain active after they are reported (sometimes hours) and I log how many CP topics are posted in a day.

    Strange, normally their lifetime seems to be a few minutes before getting nuked (unless you count threads that live on for hours before someone posts child porn and they then get deleted).

    4chan has mods and its easy to solve the CP problem but moot doesn't want to because CP is a BIG part of the appeal of this place.

    Well, they do what they can. Sort of like how you're using stale "copypasta" in what amounts to a lame attempt to troll, it's just that they are infinitely more competent.

    4chan is the largest distributor of CP on the web.

    Riiiiiiight....

  32. Re:Some scary files by daveime · · Score: 1

    Better than your spelling. It's Britney, you moron.

  33. irregardless by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    Heck, what does "irregardless" mean? Multiple negatives in one word is too much for my brain...

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    1. Re:irregardless by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Funny

      They ain't not undisappearing irregardless of no lack of none of the file sharers.

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    2. Re:irregardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more confusingly, irregardless and regardless are actually synonymous.

    3. Re:irregardless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Inflammable means flammable? What a country!" ~ Dr. Nick.

    4. Re:irregardless by plover · · Score: 1

      "Did you know that inflammable and flammable mean the same thing? Boy, that was a painful lesson."
      -- Woody, Cheers

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    5. Re:irregardless by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      The word “irregardless” probably originated from a bastardized combination of the words “irrespective” and “regardless”. Regardless of the fairly-widespread use of the word, it is improper and should not be used.

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  34. Re:Fuck Anonymous by RaymondKurzweil · · Score: 1

    What is a court faggot? Sounds interesting.

  35. Wow by BancBoy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your average MoS compilation is bus compressed so hard that I don't dare subject my amps to it, go anywhere near the clip light with that stuff and you know your spending a significant fraction of your time putting out DC.

    Wow! I don't know what half that meant, but it sounded damn insightful!

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    1. Re:Wow by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Every sound in the recording (even the ones that should be quiet) are amplified to a high level. If this level is too close to the point on a VU meter that indicates the amp will lose the tops of the waveforms (clip them off) the output signal will look like a flat line, or DC voltage. This is hard on amplifiers." I feel like the "English Sound Engineer" version of "English 50 Cent".

      Hope I actually got it close to correct.

    2. Re:Wow by Vryl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mostly correct. Describing "compression" as "amplification" is arguably correct, but doesn't tell the full story, even tho you correctly point out the soft sounds.

      Compression basically makes the soft sounds louder, and/or the loud sounds softer so there is less dynamic range in the music - that is, the difference between the soft and loud noises is made smaller, or even much smaller.

      The result is that the music sounds "louder", but you can lose a lot of the "feel" of a track.

      It also uses more energy, and drives your amp and then your speakers much harder, and hotter.

      But hey, that is a ton more words than you used, and someone will pick holes in this version too.

      Yours is pretty darn good, for a paraphrase to non sound geeks.

    3. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really - yes most dance music is compressed to f***k but the whole point of dynamic range compression is that it makes the everything louder and punchier but *doesn't* clip, so you shouldn't get DC in the output. It makes quiet sounds louder but doesn't touch the loudest sounds - thereby reducing (compressing) the dynamic range of the recording. Amplify without compression, and eventually you would amplify the audio signal beyond the limits of the audio chain and the tops and bottoms of the waveforms would flatten out, producing really noticable audible distortion. Dynamic range compression is great for making pop records sound good on tiny sound systems like portable radios. Also good for live stage singers where the distance between their mouth and the microphone varies a lot.

      HTH

    4. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Every sound in the recording (even the ones that should be quiet) are amplified to a high level. If this level is too close to the point on a VU meter that indicates the amp will lose the tops of the waveforms (clip them off) the output signal will look like a flat line, or DC voltage. This is hard on amplifiers." I feel like the "English Sound Engineer" version of "English 50 Cent".

      Hope I actually got it close to correct.

      Sorry, did I say I didn't know what half of that meant? Sorry, I meant I don't care what half of that meant. And the other half? Nobody cares. My mistake!

    5. Re:Wow by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      This is SlashDot. People should be happy someone spelled "lose" correctly.

    6. Re:Wow by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      Oddly, my knowledge of technical stuff is almost entirely programming and I could understand that just fine.

      And yeah, fuck the loudness war.

    7. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's talking about clipping, not compression. Clipping creates squares, which are very high in harmonics and are speaker killers. If you take any signal, amplify it beyond what the signal processing can handle, you end up losing a lot of information as it becomes cut off at the peaks. As you increase gain, this cutting off increases. It's called clipping, and is what makes systems trying to be load sound shit.

      If you want to see it and learn, get out a scope, one probe goes on your signal pre, another on the post, and now crank it!

    8. Re:Wow by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      How can you not understand that sentence yet be at slashdot? Did you come here by accident? "Let's see, he said the you are hell or whatever thingie was aych tee tee pee slash slash colon slash... uh.... slash dot? Hell, I'll just google /. and see what comes up...)

    9. Re:Wow by soliptic · · Score: 1

      He's talking about clipping, not compression.

      No, he's talking about both.

      Your average MoS compilation is bus compressed so hard that I don't dare subject my amps to it, go anywhere near the clip light with that stuff

      i.e.: It's compressed so hard that if it clips, it doesn't just clip a few imperceptible samples on occasional peaks, it clips baaaaaad, and constantly.

    10. Re:Wow by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Hard on amplifiers? Really? What kind of a shitty amplifier will break if you put a square wave through it?

      What this really is hard on is speakers where the flatlined energy comes out as heat. Tweeters are often the first to go when you put squarewaves into speakers.

    11. Re:Wow by BancBoy · · Score: 1

      Sorry, did I say I didn't know what half of that meant? Sorry, I meant I don't care what half of that meant. And the other half? Nobody cares. My mistake!

      No, you AC jackass, you didn't say that. I did, now get back under your bridge.
      Your mistake indeed!

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    12. Re:Wow by anaesthetica · · Score: 1

      "English 50 Cent"

      Wouldn't that be 50 Pence?

  36. Re:No it's not an official Department of the Minis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why does the U.K. name all their departments with that connotation anyway?

    It doesn't, but it used to. See Wikipedia's category, there's only the Ministry of Justice and the Ministry of Defence using the word.

  37. You know where this is going to lead... by jimicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If anyone honestly believes that this is going to result in the various record labels worldwide finally throwing their hands up and saying "Enough! We give up", they're living in cloud cuckoo land. Far more likely it'll lead to much tighter regulation of the Internet in many first-world countries.

    After all, we already have "three-strikes and you're out" laws in many countries, and those strikes frequently don't require any sort of due process. Plenty of governments have hinted by their actions that they rather like the idea of a tightly-controlled Internet where everyone does as they are damn well told or faces the consequences, this kind of thing could be all the justification they need to tighten the screw a little further.

    Of course, it won't be painted in that fashion. It'll be painted as "Cyber-attacks cost businesses millions of ${CURRENCY} a year in lost revenue, this law will force ISPs to automatically detect and shut-off the Internet connection of anyone launching such an attack".

    1. Re:You know where this is going to lead... by ratboy666 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I find the "3 strikes and out" regulations funny. Sure, go ahead and throw people "off the Internet". Sounds like a good plan to seriously hurt ISPs and Internet companies (Google, Ebay, etc.).

      And then what? Those people divide into two groups -- those capable of creating an alternate Internet, and those not.

      Basically, I'd get into the neutral new-ISP business, and sell email and peer to peer service. Over modems and wireless. Can't let those customers back on "the Internet"; that would be just wrong. But with email gateway, and a web proxy, I could supply access. Of course, peer to peer within the group exclusively.

      External will be exactly "what we are told". Internal? Whatever my customers want. Will this service be cheap? Nope. It only needs to be competitive to "Internet Cafes".

      I figure that France will be a good start -- in around 100 days there should be lots of demand. Except I don't want to move to France, so come on, let's get this in Canada already!

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    2. Re:You know where this is going to lead... by jimicus · · Score: 1

      You tried browsing the web with a modem lately? Must be honest and confess I haven't, but I have been doing so with Firebug. AFAICT, the days of most major sites being designed to download and work over a modem link are long gone.

  38. Re:Fuck Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a large "body of evidence" in my basement, that I play to "bury" once I've "had my way with it".

    Wait a minute, something's wrong with my pun.

  39. There's a word for this sort of thing: terrorism by acb · · Score: 1, Informative

    How is this not a terrorist act? Sure, one guy's terrorist is another guy's freedom fighter, but attacking sites one disagrees with is still terrorism, whether it's done with bombs or botnets.

  40. Re:There's a word for this sort of thing: terroris by selven · · Score: 1

    They attacked the MOS's pay site, which "seems to be a portal to buy authorized copies of artists under the Ministry of Sound label. This is an interesting escalation in the ongoing conflict, as it directly attacks the MOS's ability to sell music". Terrorism is, by definition, when you hit something as a publicity stunt, like the attack on mpaa.org. This is intended primarily to harm their bottom line, thus making it plain old guerrilla warfare.

  41. Re:There's a word for this sort of thing: terroris by airfoobar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Terrorism, by the contemporary meaning of the word at least, involves blowing shit up. Thankfully, other than a prank bomb threat, that is not the case here.

    4chan's goal is not to terrorise, but to harass in order to be heard. In other words, it's no different than a real-world protest, where they stand outside the company's building and throw eggs and yogurt at everyone who dares come out, thus disrupting their business. It's a sad truth today that if consumers don't organise and hurt a company's wallet, they'll be totally ignored -- tell me that isn't true.

    I would normally feel bad about the companies that are at the sharp end of all this, but I don't. At all. They totally deserve everything they get.

  42. Re:There's a word for this sort of thing: terroris by Felix+Da+Rat · · Score: 1

    Really? This website being taken off-line for a little while actually caused you to feel a sense of terror for your life? Did you become afraid to purchase MoS albums because Anonymous might DDoS you?

    This is protest. Big difference. If you agree with it or not, it is not something that is even anywhere close to being in the same league as terrorism.

  43. Re:There's a word for this sort of thing: terroris by plover · · Score: 1

    Terror is an emotion that someone feels when they believe they are about to lose their life or the life of a loved one due to an external cause over which they have no control. The whole definition is important, not just the "have no control" part. Note that it doesn't exclude non-criminal acts, and does not require the external cause to be anonymous or even a person. You can feel terror hanging over a cliff.

    Note that making a router's WAN light blink incessantly would not qualify on several levels.

    If a TV figure or politician abuses the word "terror" to mean something as mundane as "an unidentified person broke the law", you can take it as a certainty that they are lying to you about terrorists, they are probably lying about a great many other things, and that they no longer deserve your respect or attention. Yes, this includes every talking head on Fox, over half of Congress, and the past two presidents.

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  44. Re:There's a word for this sort of thing: terroris by imakemusic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Absolutely. It was terrifying. The prospect of not being able to buy the latest remix of Unce-unce-unce-unce shook my soul to its very core. I will be having sleepless nights for months to come. I worried about my family and my friends getting caught in the denial of service or getting wounded in the crossfire. "Never again", I thought to myself, "will my people be free to listen this mindless horseshit without fear of a slight delay because they can't buy it online and will have to walk to the shop or get it from a different website." Pure terror. I wanted to stand up to these evil people but I was scared so I just sat there, quietly leaking bodily fluids.

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  45. Re:There's a word for this sort of thing: terroris by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    attacking sites one disagrees with is still terrorism, whether it's done with bombs or botnets.

    No, it's not.

  46. Re:There's a word for this sort of thing: terroris by HeckRuler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because instead of being killed, maimed, and/or TERRIFIED, people were inconvenienced and possibly put out of a few sales, for a while.
    Jaywalking is not an act of dissent due to it's scale. It's just not serious enough to qualify. A DDOS, to a music store, does not terrorism make. Even if they had thrown a brick into their window, it's still not terrorism.

    Ease up on that trigger grandpa.

  47. I downloaded MoS cd's and it brough them business. by biggknifeparty · · Score: 1

    If I hadn't downloaded Ministry of Sound cd's off torrent sites, I never would have heard about the club. Last time I was in London I, and several friends, each dropped the 15£ cover and another 100£ or so each on drinks. I only went to the club because of the pirated music. I would go again next time I'm in town.

  48. Re:There's a word for this sort of thing: terroris by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    Terrorism != act of war.

    In terrorism, you generally have a loosely-defined cause and you wage haphazard strikes against civilians and/or targets unrelated to the cause you claim to fight for. I.e., your goal is to cause widespread terror in everyone.

    In a war, even a guerrilla war, you have a well-defined target or entity and you wage calculated and deliberate strikes against that target or targets directly related to the entity you’re at war with. Naturally your target should be reasonably concerned but the attacks should not cause widespread terror.

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  49. Re:Re:There's a word... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Erm, actually, not to be a pedantic asshat, but throwing eggs and yogurt at someone is assault, and battery if it hits someone. Putting that aside, though, the companies at the receiving end of this very probably deserve this sort of harrassment and worse, truth be told. Which makes me wonder.... ...is there any means by which to offer support to groups like 4chan and Anonymous outside of word of mouth/ blogosphere publicity?

  50. Re:There's a word for this sort of thing: terroris by mr100percent · · Score: 1

    Terrorism, according to the US State Department, is violence directed at innocent civilians in order to pressure a government or people. Blowing things up is not necessarily a requirement; look at the DC sniper for example.

  51. Re:knock down =/= knock out by eriqk · · Score: 1

    They got knocked down, but they got up again.

  52. USCode 28,3002,15(a): United States = fed corp. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to be confused with The United States as a forum title to animate that/this United States, nor to be confused with the natural/natives endemic known abroad by their class/social compacts as The 48 united States of America, neither the non-associated several States existing in their own rite moving through The 48 united States of America to a "style" (not a class) known as The United States of America. So what is different between The United States, United States, The United States of America, and The 48 united States of America? The years they were used, whether they are domestic or non-domestic, and whether they are styles (trademark) or class (body-politic): we do know that The 48 united were classes that all dissolved in 1861 durring Civil War, then Abraham Lincoln incorporated Washington DC into a singular United States that finally went bankrupt in 1933. That's why in US Code there are no States of America because Abraham Lincoln derived singular United States from what he referred to as a singular State of The Union until 1871 that dissolved, then another United States was created but only disclosed as a State of the United to re-plant States of the United States in the form of their 2-digit federal postal abbreviation CA/NV/AZ/UT yet those too floundered. So now for legal purposes, we see nothing of those but recent US Code glamourizing a US State...ugh.

    nedlohs (1335013) writes:
    Now might be a good time to up those meds.

    Well well, Mr 1335013. In your long record it says you have an affinity of taking Blue Pills for some odd reason that you self-attribute to be your religion. The last time my agents picked you up on a disturbance call, when your gay lover wouldn't take a Blue Pill when done having sex and your constant crying induced trauma into our crops in parallel cells around yours. Obviously you've developed a traumatic association of religious proportions to small objects of this color and further we are unable to find any memories within your mind of the name of that entrepid captain you've been buying these Blue Pills from. You're going to help us find him voluntarily or not...

  53. I've heard of that before.... by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    the @english50cent Twitter feed, retweeting @50cent and then explaining it in normal English.
    http://twitter.com/english50cent

    Yes, what you did certainly seems analogous.

    The contrast in that case is humorous, but with you, +1 informative.

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  54. Michael Kristopeit === troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

    1. Re:Michael Kristopeit === troll by Mike+Kristopeit · · Score: 0
      ur mum's face === troll

      why are you scared of the truths i present? why do you refuse to offer facts, and instead suggest only prejudicial references to stereotypes?

      is it because you're prejudicial?

      you are NOTHING.

  55. Re:I downloaded MoS cd's and it brough them busine by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    Sometimes /. is hyperbolically enthusiastic about Internet media 'piracy' stuff, but the oft-mentioned "torrent --> buy" pattern does really hold true much of the time.

    Even for major labels, even for people who are assholes about torrenting (ironically)

    --
    I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
  56. Re:No it's not an official Department of the Minis by billsayswow · · Score: 1

    Or if we want to make the world collapse, leave "Ministry" to only its Christian connotations, and revisit the Ministry of Magic from the Harry Potter books. They can't ALL burn themselves at the stake for witchcraft after all.

  57. predator minority vs prey majority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It disturbs me that nature has progressed so that it is normal for a minority of predators, like cheetah, to terrorize/dominate/control prey that greatly outnumber them. If all the gazelle worked together, they could actively seek out the cheetah and impale/trample them until that evil was removed. But 'the selfish gene' means each individual basically only looks out for itself and doesn't naturally operate as a single group entity (like ants/bees might).
    It seems counter-intuitive that a small minority could have such control over the majority but it happens with humans too, such as with dictators or corporations. I mean, many of us probably agree the world is completely fucked. Prisons are profitable, the education system is shit, the power of people is proportional to their fail levels, laws are bought etc. We're smart humans, not limited by selfish gene instincts. Can fucktards like CEOs and politicians actually win against a bunch of smart geeks? The entire economic system is completely imaginary paper or 'bits' for fucks sake. Can't the majority just remove their collective balls from the minority's grip and stop 'believing' in their system? Just ignore their currency system and it won't be real, thus making the rich's money meaningless. Ignore their political system and start our own system. I'd be happy if all world power was given to slashdot commenters who have the most '5' ratings or something, then just evolve from their. If the masses believe they have power, maybe they do.

  58. What they wanted was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Ministry of Sounds. What they wanted was a sound that could kill someone from a distance.

  59. Macmillan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get the name right, please.