You aren't the only person to have posted having done that. I'm sure that would catch me out too (thanks for the warning) and so surely we need to fix 'rm'? Must add another flag to force this behaviour but by default does not follow '..'.
Happens all the time. You must be clean if you hire developers from the competition. Keep programming notebooks, write everything down, code from scratch. Nothing can be re-used.
Spoken like someone that has never done any programming? All programmers develop libraries that they then reuse. A lot of programming is refactoring old code into more generic libraries so they can be reused more easily. Every programmer takes the knowledge they've gained onto their next job, it's the majority of their value. You just have to be careful, that's all.
Imagine if you can't reuse anything? You would have to invent a new sort routine for every company you join? Re-implement all your basic disc I/O? There are only so many ways of doing it, you'd run out of alternative implementations pretty quickly.
If you work for a company then they own the copyright to everything you write. If Google rips this off then it will be pretty easy to compare and if it's application specific code then it will be an easy court case. The reason companies have non-competition clauses is because once you've written something once then it's easy to rewrite from scratch something better having learned from your mistakes. If your employee hasn't signed such a clause then tough luck.
Read the Viewsonic product page: ideal for satellite imaging and digital content creation. Says nothing about a playable framerate (with a friggin Matrox Parhelia!) or watching bootleg anime DiVX movies.
What are you on? Everyone knows that blurb is just something you use to sell it to your boss. Your boss knows it's just so you're ready for Doom3 and Half Life 2. We're not that naive...
Chalk me down as another Economist fan. Being an expat on the French Riviera, you have to pay through the nose for any regular English paper/magazine. It really makes you evaluate what is and isn't worth buying. All the newspapers are rags, but the Economist is packed full of interesting articles and keeps you up to date with what's happening in the world. As the parent post says, they have an unashamed (and IMPORTANTLY, unlike most others, OPEN) agenda that they push yet they are rarely if ever factually wrong. With a 20min commute, it lasts me most of the week.
I personally think to "architect" something 'sounds' right and it's obvious and unambiguous in what it means. The grammar nazi is right though and it is incorrect. Input *is* a transitive verb. However verbing sounds like something simply offensive and shouldn't be done in public.
The language evolves, but slowly as everyone needs to be able to keep up. This is the problem with Open Standards: creating a stable API can sometimes slow or stifle innovation
I have seen php code that makes me cry it was so badly written, I have also seen perl code that bad but don't blame the language, blame the idiot who is writing the unreadable code.
Not true. The constraints of the language makes a significant difference in its readability and maintainability. Equally important is a generally adhered-to style-guide, which covers indenting, capitalisation of variables, aligning braces etc.
It would be great to have a voicemail built into the bluetooth box, much like the old Sony phones used to have. This way (a) you can leave different messages for different people or groups (b) you don't have to go through phone operator's silly menus, (c) can easily archive or copy to PC messages, eg if someone gives you a number to call later, and (d) if you go abroad you can still get voicemails without paying exhorbitant sums to access your home voicemail box (about $4/minute last time I checked in the UK)
First off, the 'easy' installation took me hours to do, then it decided to keep freezing once I got it running.
Everyone has different experiences. This is what happened for me for Windows. The installation takes hours (Windows itself is quick but finding and downloading all the apps is a nightmare, and that's without the hundreds of Megs of service packs and critical updates). And even then it's unstable. Especially IE. I usually need to reformat every six months as the machine has slowed down and clogged up.
My windows PC WORKS FOR ME AND DOES WHAT I NEED IT TO DO.
This is what I say about my Linux PC ever since installing Gentoo:-) A couple of times I've managed to screw it up (my fault) but there are so many helpful people on #gentoo on IRC that I've always managed to get it back up and running.
To the Linux zealots (not Linux users), add up the amount of time that you've spent having to 'tweak' something that you wouldn't have to do in Windows (and downloading patches doesn't count -- I do that while reading Slashdot). Multiply those hours by whatever dollar emount you choose and see what value you've had to spend on Linux. It's probably a lot less than an XP install.
Add up every hour you've spent watching TV, multiply by whatever dollar amount, and see how much you've wasted. Those that enjoy tweaking are free to do so if that's what they enjoy. You don't NEED to though. For most people the default install suffices.
The audacity to pay you to express their opinions, and not only that, but opinions that say mean things about your favorite operating system!!
That's the third post I've read about Microsoft being able to express their opinion. Please show me one single advert in the world, whether Internet or television or radio, no matter if it's IT related or Coca Cola or Tampons, where it's to do with expressing an opinion as opposed to a cynical PR generated campaign to drive up sales of a product. Please, just point out one example.
I'm calling bullshit here. This guy sells his site to someone else to generate a profit. He then proceeds to bitch and moans when the current owners sell add space, also for a profit, and an add apears that the he doesn't agree with. It's complete and total bullshit.
Why do you assume he sold it to generate a profit? You are projecting your own limited personality only. Perhaps he founded the project, got bored, sold it for what he thought was a fair price, and got on with his next project that he thought was more interesting?
If he really cared about that site he wouldn't have sold it. Instead, he sells out to some corporate whore and then has the audicity to bitch and moan when said corporate whore, acting as all corporate whores do, sells out by selling add space to some other corporate whore who spreads FUD. Newsflash buddy, you sold out just the same as the current owners are selling out.
Please meta-moderate who-ever modded this post up. Passing on a project is the same as 'violating' the principles of the founder? This paragraph doesn't even make sense.
I have no problem with people who start something and then sell it. It's called capitalism baby, but don't bitch and moan when whoever buys it does something you don't like. You sold the thing, if it was that important you shouldn't have sold it, but you did, so shut up and move on.
We don't live in a pure capitalistic society, we live in a pragmatic capitalist society. Occasionally people, and not just the dollar, have their say. If people agree with him and boycott the site, costing more than they gained through the M$ sponsorship, then "hey, that's capitalism baby".
Flame me all you want, but things like this tick me off. Oh and don't give me this "but the spirit of the site is being violated" crap. If he cared so much about the spirit of the site, as I've said over and over again, he wouldn't have sold it.
Feel free to say it over and over and over. You must be early teens if you've never started a project, then handed it on to move onto the next one. Oddly enough, most of us do "move on".
replace their lost ad revenue yourself? At least offer them an alternative before you start deriding them for doing something. Oh, and where the hell do YOU get off selling your creation and then acting as if you have a say in it after that, you dont, you gave it up for money so dont preach to me.
Absolute bollocks. If you run a magazine that has a certain moral stand then you mustn't compromise that otherwise the magazine is just a standing testament to hypocracy. And I CAN say this from having been there. With two friends we ran Future Energies magazine and we did it off our own savings. One of the guys lived in a shed in my garden. We sank every penny of our savings into it. We lasted two years before we couldn't sustain it any longer, renewable energy isn't big in the UK and with Bush destroying environmental legislation the USA is dying too, but we never compromised once. It's still just about getting along through the last remaining guy plus a loose network of volounteers.
The fact is when the new owners bought Linux Today they also bought into the responsibility of what that represented. If all they wanted to do was make a cheap buck then they should have bought some spam-mail software and sold viagra, instead of purchasing a magazine for enthusiasts then trying to subvert it. Or is responsibility a dirty word in your vocabulary?
Hmmm, what was I told about not feeding the trolls...
I agree. Its knee-jerk reactions like this that give Linux a bad name.
A journalist taking a stand of principle gives a complex set of computer instruction codes a bad name? That's pretty convoluted logic.
Two words for you guys: GROW UP!
I have two words for you. I think you can guess what they are.
You are taking away money from the competition, and putting ads on a page that most people ignore anyway. This isn't something to get your panties in a bunch about. Go argue about which editor or distro is the best... it'll make you feel better;-)
So let's see. A convicted monopoly that uses its financial wealth to bankrupt its rivals by massive advertising campaigns selling miracle vapourware that destroys the sales of their competitor, or just plain buys them out. So what dent do you think the ads on Linux Today made in the coffers of Microsoft?
And no the smiley doesn't make it funny. Because you simply aren't.
Yea, I would prefer to look at this more as guerilla warfare tactics, where Linux gets funded by its enemy. Linux grows stronger as Windows grows weaker.
I would see it more as Microsoft Big Brother. "You many have unset MSN as you homepage, you may run to Linux Today, but you can't HIDE mwuuaaahaaahaaa"
Phillip. PS I doubt the cost of an advert on Linux Today is going to make M$ 'weaker'
I would personally take ads from Microsoft or Google, or anyone who wanted ads on any of my web sites. The more the better. It's not really an issue of integrity. It's an issue of getting paid. I like getting paid. It supports things like my smoking habit, and my patch habit, and my food and shelter habit. These things might not sound important if you're living with mom, but trust me. These are the things that matter.
a) don't lump in Google and Microsoft, one has a sound ethical policy and the other is a convicted criminal
b) many of us are well paid software engineers but still manage to live ethically, so please don't patronise with the "living with your mom" jibe. You may be morally bankrupt but don't lump us decent people in with you. We're not the same as you.
Has anyone online ever called a "boycott" that actually turned out successfully?
Well the Nike boycott raised awareness on sweatshops in the third world. After the Esso boycott, no-one I know will ever stop in an Esso petrol station (wow, they really ARE scum). So I think they can have an effect if you gain momentum, hence the appeal to a wide audience via Slashdot.
"Does he not realize that Linux runs on embedded systems. He makes a comment that: "Software is also embedded in hardware, chips, printers and even consumer electronics. Should embedded software become 'free' too, it would be natural to conclude the value of hardware will spiral downward as well." Let's see....PDA's, routers, cell phones, dvd players....yup, they all run Linux, and I don't see the value of these pieces of hardware spiraling downwards."
I see Segways here all the time in Nice, France, doing tours of the Promenade d'Anglais. Quite funny watching people drifting past dressed in a helmet and green bicycle jacket, though they appear to be having great fun. Might give it a go myself one day.
But really, are there any significant innovations possible in media players except for infinitesimal interface polishing? (DRM doesn't count as a feature;) I get a feeling they're almost there.
Random ideas: * built-in encoders - eg I am watching DVD and it's recording it to xvid on the fly at the same time * plug-in winamp modules - eg use graphic equaliser on the audio, have visuals going with a dance video, ability to mix in mic so you can speak over documentary/home-vid to audience * externally controlled mixing of video - my video voicemail app can send video file to currently open video window, requesting to play it picture-in-picture in the top right of the screen whilst and mixing in the audio at 80% volume
I'm sure there are loads more. Anyone else?
Phillip.
Unlike BBC who are just a shill for the BSA
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Compare that to this pathetic article by the BBC. This supposed "hi-tech James Bond" who calls himself "Mr X" believes that by popping into #warez on IRC where he can download pirate software gives him: "The result for me is just to have a clean internet. There is so much filth out there and it is satisfying when it goes down," he said.. Er pirate copies of Nero are "filth"? Oh, and he is actually just a day-jobber for the Business Software Alliance. Sterling McBride is busy busting crooks that are making everyone's life a misery, as opposed to punishing kids for swapping software. No doubt in my mind which is spending his time in the more worthy fashion.
There have been a lot of good absurdist comedy series on American TV in recent years, many of them originating on Fox. Besides the obvious cartoons (Simpsons, Futurama and Family Guy), there's Malcolm in the Middle and the new Ron Howard series "Arrested Development," which is, simply put, a stroke of genius. Like M.A.S.H. or Frasier, only I actually laugh at it.
Wow the thread lasted several posts without mentioning Python. Let me add Father Ted, Drop The Dead Donkey, The Office, and Alan Partridge to the British side. Americans produce 99% dross but DID come up with,as you say, Simpsons and Family Guy. Let me add Friends and Seinfeld. And the original funny episodes of Cheers.
He posed a danger at most to his own people. And yes, that's an awful thing, but it's not our job to go policing the world.
Next time can you please state that as your opinion? Some of us actually think it is the right thing to do helping people less fortunate than ourselves.
Microsoft has always used this tactic. When someone produces something that is or is in danger of becoming a success, then announce some vapourware of a product superior but cheaper that will appear sometime 'soon'. The public then hold out for the M$ version, trashing the sales of the aforementioned company. I'm sure they've killed a number of rivals this way, though I can't remember any names off hand.
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You aren't the only person to have posted having done that. I'm sure that would catch me out too (thanks for the warning) and so surely we need to fix 'rm'? Must add another flag to force this behaviour but by default does not follow '..'.
Phillip.
Happens all the time. You must be clean if you hire developers from the competition. Keep programming notebooks, write everything down, code from scratch. Nothing can be re-used.
Spoken like someone that has never done any programming? All programmers develop libraries that they then reuse. A lot of programming is refactoring old code into more generic libraries so they can be reused more easily. Every programmer takes the knowledge they've gained onto their next job, it's the majority of their value. You just have to be careful, that's all.
Imagine if you can't reuse anything? You would have to invent a new sort routine for every company you join? Re-implement all your basic disc I/O? There are only so many ways of doing it, you'd run out of alternative implementations pretty quickly.
If you work for a company then they own the copyright to everything you write. If Google rips this off then it will be pretty easy to compare and if it's application specific code then it will be an easy court case. The reason companies have non-competition clauses is because once you've written something once then it's easy to rewrite from scratch something better having learned from your mistakes. If your employee hasn't signed such a clause then tough luck.
Phillip.
Read the Viewsonic product page: ideal for satellite imaging and digital content creation. Says nothing about a playable framerate (with a friggin Matrox Parhelia!) or watching bootleg anime DiVX movies.
What are you on? Everyone knows that blurb is just something you use to sell it to your boss. Your boss knows it's just so you're ready for Doom3 and Half Life 2. We're not that naive...
Phillip.
Chalk me down as another Economist fan. Being an expat on the French Riviera, you have to pay through the nose for any regular English paper/magazine. It really makes you evaluate what is and isn't worth buying. All the newspapers are rags, but the Economist is packed full of interesting articles and keeps you up to date with what's happening in the world. As the parent post says, they have an unashamed (and IMPORTANTLY, unlike most others, OPEN) agenda that they push yet they are rarely if ever factually wrong. With a 20min commute, it lasts me most of the week.
Phillip.
I personally think to "architect" something 'sounds' right and it's obvious and unambiguous in what it means. The grammar nazi is right though and it is incorrect. Input *is* a transitive verb. However verbing sounds like something simply offensive and shouldn't be done in public.
The language evolves, but slowly as everyone needs to be able to keep up. This is the problem with Open Standards: creating a stable API can sometimes slow or stifle innovation
Phillip.
I have seen php code that makes me cry it was so badly written, I have also seen perl code that bad but don't blame the language, blame the idiot who is writing the unreadable code.
Not true. The constraints of the language makes a significant difference in its readability and maintainability. Equally important is a generally adhered-to style-guide, which covers indenting, capitalisation of variables, aligning braces etc.
Phillip.
It would be great to have a voicemail built into the bluetooth box, much like the old Sony phones used to have. This way (a) you can leave different messages for different people or groups (b) you don't have to go through phone operator's silly menus, (c) can easily archive or copy to PC messages, eg if someone gives you a number to call later, and (d) if you go abroad you can still get voicemails without paying exhorbitant sums to access your home voicemail box (about $4/minute last time I checked in the UK)
Phillip.
First off, the 'easy' installation took me hours to do, then it decided to keep freezing once I got it running.
:-) A couple of times I've managed to screw it up (my fault) but there are so many helpful people on #gentoo on IRC that I've always managed to get it back up and running.
Everyone has different experiences. This is what happened for me for Windows. The installation takes hours (Windows itself is quick but finding and downloading all the apps is a nightmare, and that's without the hundreds of Megs of service packs and critical updates). And even then it's unstable. Especially IE. I usually need to reformat every six months as the machine has slowed down and clogged up.
My windows PC WORKS FOR ME AND DOES WHAT I NEED IT TO DO.
This is what I say about my Linux PC ever since installing Gentoo
To the Linux zealots (not Linux users), add up the amount of time that you've spent having to 'tweak' something that you wouldn't have to do in Windows (and downloading patches doesn't count -- I do that while reading Slashdot). Multiply those hours by whatever dollar emount you choose and see what value you've had to spend on Linux. It's probably a lot less than an XP install.
Add up every hour you've spent watching TV, multiply by whatever dollar amount, and see how much you've wasted. Those that enjoy tweaking are free to do so if that's what they enjoy. You don't NEED to though. For most people the default install suffices.
Phillip.
The audacity to pay you to express their opinions, and not only that, but opinions that say mean things about your favorite operating system!!
That's the third post I've read about Microsoft being able to express their opinion. Please show me one single advert in the world, whether Internet or television or radio, no matter if it's IT related or Coca Cola or Tampons, where it's to do with expressing an opinion as opposed to a cynical PR generated campaign to drive up sales of a product. Please, just point out one example.
Phillip.
I call bullshit on your bullshit.
I'm calling bullshit here. This guy sells his site to someone else to generate a profit. He then proceeds to bitch and moans when the current owners sell add space, also for a profit, and an add apears that the he doesn't agree with. It's complete and total bullshit.
Why do you assume he sold it to generate a profit? You are projecting your own limited personality only. Perhaps he founded the project, got bored, sold it for what he thought was a fair price, and got on with his next project that he thought was more interesting?
If he really cared about that site he wouldn't have sold it. Instead, he sells out to some corporate whore and then has the audicity to bitch and moan when said corporate whore, acting as all corporate whores do, sells out by selling add space to some other corporate whore who spreads FUD. Newsflash buddy, you sold out just the same as the current owners are selling out.
Please meta-moderate who-ever modded this post up. Passing on a project is the same as 'violating' the principles of the founder? This paragraph doesn't even make sense.
I have no problem with people who start something and then sell it. It's called capitalism baby, but don't bitch and moan when whoever buys it does something you don't like. You sold the thing, if it was that important you shouldn't have sold it, but you did, so shut up and move on.
We don't live in a pure capitalistic society, we live in a pragmatic capitalist society. Occasionally people, and not just the dollar, have their say. If people agree with him and boycott the site, costing more than they gained through the M$ sponsorship, then "hey, that's capitalism baby".
Flame me all you want, but things like this tick me off. Oh and don't give me this "but the spirit of the site is being violated" crap. If he cared so much about the spirit of the site, as I've said over and over again, he wouldn't have sold it.
Feel free to say it over and over and over. You must be early teens if you've never started a project, then handed it on to move onto the next one. Oddly enough, most of us do "move on".
Phillip.
replace their lost ad revenue yourself? At least offer them an alternative before you start deriding them for doing something. Oh, and where the hell do YOU get off selling your creation and then acting as if you have a say in it after that, you dont, you gave it up for money so dont preach to me.
Absolute bollocks. If you run a magazine that has a certain moral stand then you mustn't compromise that otherwise the magazine is just a standing testament to hypocracy. And I CAN say this from having been there. With two friends we ran Future Energies magazine and we did it off our own savings. One of the guys lived in a shed in my garden. We sank every penny of our savings into it. We lasted two years before we couldn't sustain it any longer, renewable energy isn't big in the UK and with Bush destroying environmental legislation the USA is dying too, but we never compromised once. It's still just about getting along through the last remaining guy plus a loose network of volounteers.
The fact is when the new owners bought Linux Today they also bought into the responsibility of what that represented. If all they wanted to do was make a cheap buck then they should have bought some spam-mail software and sold viagra, instead of purchasing a magazine for enthusiasts then trying to subvert it. Or is responsibility a dirty word in your vocabulary?
Phillip.
Hmmm, what was I told about not feeding the trolls...
;-)
I agree. Its knee-jerk reactions like this that give Linux a bad name.
A journalist taking a stand of principle gives a complex set of computer instruction codes a bad name? That's pretty convoluted logic.
Two words for you guys:
GROW UP!
I have two words for you. I think you can guess what they are.
You are taking away money from the competition, and putting ads on a page that most people ignore anyway. This isn't something to get your panties in a bunch about. Go argue about which editor or distro is the best... it'll make you feel better
So let's see. A convicted monopoly that uses its financial wealth to bankrupt its rivals by massive advertising campaigns selling miracle vapourware that destroys the sales of their competitor, or just plain buys them out. So what dent do you think the ads on Linux Today made in the coffers of Microsoft?
And no the smiley doesn't make it funny. Because you simply aren't.
Phillip.
Yea, I would prefer to look at this more as guerilla warfare tactics, where Linux gets funded by its enemy. Linux grows stronger as Windows grows weaker.
I would see it more as Microsoft Big Brother. "You many have unset MSN as you homepage, you may run to Linux Today, but you can't HIDE mwuuaaahaaahaaa"
Phillip.
PS I doubt the cost of an advert on Linux Today is going to make M$ 'weaker'
I find the call for a boycott astounding. Do we not want people to try the different options available to them and decide which is superior?
Do you think Microsoft achieved world domination through superior software? Or through marketing?
Phillip.
I would personally take ads from Microsoft or Google, or anyone who wanted ads on any of my web sites. The more the better. It's not really an issue of integrity. It's an issue of getting paid. I like getting paid. It supports things like my smoking habit, and my patch habit, and my food and shelter habit. These things might not sound important if you're living with mom, but trust me. These are the things that matter.
a) don't lump in Google and Microsoft, one has a sound ethical policy and the other is a convicted criminal
b) many of us are well paid software engineers but still manage to live ethically, so please don't patronise with the "living with your mom" jibe. You may be morally bankrupt but don't lump us decent people in with you. We're not the same as you.
Phillip.
Has anyone online ever called a "boycott" that actually turned out successfully?
Well the Nike boycott raised awareness on sweatshops in the third world. After the Esso boycott, no-one I know will ever stop in an Esso petrol station (wow, they really ARE scum). So I think they can have an effect if you gain momentum, hence the appeal to a wide audience via Slashdot.
Phillip.
"Does he not realize that Linux runs on embedded systems. He makes a comment that:
"Software is also embedded in hardware, chips, printers and even consumer electronics. Should embedded software become 'free' too, it would be natural to conclude the value of hardware will spiral downward as well." Let's see....PDA's, routers, cell phones, dvd players....yup, they all run Linux, and I don't see the value of these pieces of hardware spiraling downwards."
Making firmware Open Source? What hardware manufacturer would do that?
Phillip.
I see Segways here all the time in Nice, France, doing tours of the Promenade d'Anglais. Quite funny watching people drifting past dressed in a helmet and green bicycle jacket, though they appear to be having great fun. Might give it a go myself one day.
Phillip.
They buy windows because it came on the computer they bought, and that's the computer that they know will run the software they have.
"Will this computer run Word? Great, I'll take it."
Phillip.
But really, are there any significant innovations possible in media players except for infinitesimal interface polishing? (DRM doesn't count as a feature ;) I get a feeling they're almost there.
Random ideas:
* built-in encoders - eg I am watching DVD and it's recording it to xvid on the fly at the same time
* plug-in winamp modules - eg use graphic equaliser on the audio, have visuals going with a dance video, ability to mix in mic so you can speak over documentary/home-vid to audience
* externally controlled mixing of video - my video voicemail app can send video file to currently open video window, requesting to play it picture-in-picture in the top right of the screen whilst and mixing in the audio at 80% volume
I'm sure there are loads more. Anyone else?
Phillip.
Compare that to this pathetic article by the BBC. This supposed "hi-tech James Bond" who calls himself "Mr X" believes that by popping into #warez on IRC where he can download pirate software gives him: "The result for me is just to have a clean internet. There is so much filth out there and it is satisfying when it goes down," he said.. Er pirate copies of Nero are "filth"? Oh, and he is actually just a day-jobber for the Business Software Alliance. Sterling McBride is busy busting crooks that are making everyone's life a misery, as opposed to punishing kids for swapping software. No doubt in my mind which is spending his time in the more worthy fashion.
Phillip.
There have been a lot of good absurdist comedy series on American TV in recent years, many of them originating on Fox. Besides the obvious cartoons (Simpsons, Futurama and Family Guy), there's Malcolm in the Middle and the new Ron Howard series "Arrested Development," which is, simply put, a stroke of genius. Like M.A.S.H. or Frasier, only I actually laugh at it.
Wow the thread lasted several posts without mentioning Python. Let me add Father Ted, Drop The Dead Donkey, The Office, and Alan Partridge to the British side. Americans produce 99% dross but DID come up with,as you say, Simpsons and Family Guy. Let me add Friends and Seinfeld. And the original funny episodes of Cheers.
Phillip.
He posed a danger at most to his own people. And yes, that's an awful thing, but it's not our job to go policing the world.
Next time can you please state that as your opinion? Some of us actually think it is the right thing to do helping people less fortunate than ourselves.
Thankyou,
Phillip.
Maybe the Gumstick, though it's far smaller than a credit card (more the size of a stick of gum, hence its name).
Phillip.
Microsoft has always used this tactic. When someone produces something that is or is in danger of becoming a success, then announce some vapourware of a product superior but cheaper that will appear sometime 'soon'. The public then hold out for the M$ version, trashing the sales of the aforementioned company. I'm sure they've killed a number of rivals this way, though I can't remember any names off hand.
Phillip.