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Segways Roll Over Chicago

lpangelrob2 writes "It looks like someone in Chicago finally found a use for Dean Kamen's Segways. The Chicago Sun Times is reporting that a three hour tour of Chicago's lakefront will be guided by Segways traveling on Chicago's sidewalks at 5mph. The cost of the tour is $65, and an instructional class and helmet is provided -- just in case."

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  1. From the just in case link... by thebra · · Score: 5, Funny

    "ABC7's Jim Wieder reports supervisors aren't happy to hear the suspect got away."

    This is confusing on many levels. First, how did a person on a Segway out run the police? Second, how many people do you see on a Segway? Third, why did some one buy a Segway?

    Disclaimer: These questions do not require a response as I understand that people on foot can escape police but any witty reponse (see funny) would be appreciated. Thanks-

    1. Re:From the just in case link... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A lot of the Police here in Chicago are now on Segways. Perhaps their Segway couldn't keep up with his overclocked/turbocharged Segway? ;-)

      Seriously though. Segways may not sound fast, but when you see them in real life, you realize just how fast they really are. They can maintain the speed of a brisk run and quickly maneuver around obstacles. Someone on foot would have trouble keeping up and would run out of breath long before the Segway ran out of a charge.

    2. Re:From the just in case link... by Mz6 · · Score: 2, Funny
      The overwhelming response form the police was:

      Lag

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    3. Re:From the just in case link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the police forgot to use a Bicycle, or even a Motorcycle. Then again why not spend the money on providing police with segways. It'll keep the streets safer!

    4. Re:From the just in case link... by yintercept · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a great business model that would suit a large number of tourist locations. With a few thousand bucks invested, you could live in a vacation paradise assuming that paradise has large sidewalks, and not a lot of n'ere-do-wells who hope to fund their luxurious life by knocking down tourists and taking their Segway.

      Third, why did some one buy a Segway?

      I can't see a reason to buy one...but it would be a fun thing to try. Which, I guess means people buying the things to rent 'em.

    5. Re:From the just in case link... by justkarl · · Score: 1

      how did a person on a Segway out run the police?

      I'll bet some of these people are taking lessons from the riceburner kids...Think how fast & furious it would be with a big muffler and aluminum spoiler.

    6. Re:From the just in case link... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe the police forgot to use a Bicycle, or even a Motorcycle

      Chicago Police have a LOT of options for transportation:

      1. Cars (of course)
      2. 3 wheeled one seater
      3. 4 Wheel ATV with cargo frame
      4. Horses
      5. Segways

      The trick is that Segways are really the only one you can safely take through a crowd. All of the others require a few feet of clearance so that you don't hurt anyone. Imagine how it would look if the police lost the suspect AND injured or killed a pedestrian!

    7. Re:From the just in case link... by taped2thedesk · · Score: 1

      First, how did a person on a Segway out run the police?

      There was an episode of Reno 911 where they went to arrest some old guy at his home. They didn't think he was much of a threat.

      The guy asked if he could change clothes before they carted him off to jail. He went to another room while the cops admired his house.

      A few seconds later, the old man drives right out his front door on a segway... and just keeps going down the street. The cops tried to chase him down on foot, but he was long gone.

      It was a pretty funny scene, especially cause the guy was wearing nothing but his briefs (or something like that).

      Then again, maybe you had to be there.

    8. Re:From the just in case link... by Chewie · · Score: 1

      And the best part is that the old man was "Judo" Gene LeBell!

      Even at older-than-dirt, that man could probably whip the ass of just about anyone.

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    9. Re:From the just in case link... by mog · · Score: 1

      As for your question on why someone bought a Segway, keep in mind the patron in question. This is a guy that hit the little girl, and kept on going. Do we really want to compare this guy to someone with common sense?

      I mean, a decent person, even if the girl did jump out in front of him, would have gotten off the Segway and been like "OH NO I'M SORRY!" and made sure she was ok, and apologize to the dad.

    10. Re:From the just in case link... by Luigi30 · · Score: 1

      NOS stickers are another 10hp, or in the Segway's case, 30 minutes of charge.

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    11. Re:From the just in case link... by humina · · Score: 1

      You forgot: 6.Good Running shoes I'd think this would be the one with the (of course) next to it. An in shape cop can easily catch someone on a segway.

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    12. Re:From the just in case link... by websensei · · Score: 1


      1. Cars (of course)
      2. 3 wheeled one seater
      3. 4 Wheel ATV with cargo frame
      4. Horses
      5. Segways


      6. radio waves
      (ok it's not a transportation option per se, but it's a "vehicle" for catching criminals nonetheless)
      seriously, another (common) way to catch a suspect is to keep em in sight long enough to bring other cops into the picture, pursuing from a convergent angle. anyone can get away from *one* cop. but you can't outrun (nor out-drive, nor out-segway [-ugh, verbing]) "the cops". there are enough beat cops in chicago to hone in on this clown pretty quick, methinks. /$0.02

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    13. Re:From the just in case link... by Tmack · · Score: 1
      This is confusing on many levels. First, how did a person on a Segway out run the police? Second, how many people do you see on a Segway?

      Not sure where you are from, but being from a rather larg city (Atlanta) response time from the police for anything short of shots fired or a SERIOUS car accident (ie: fatality) is at least 20 minutes. 20minutes at 10Mph==3.3+mi, which is a big enough radius and long enough time to allow the segway rider to easily evade police, even if they were to start searching immediately. He was probably at home with the segway parked inside long before the police even got to the scene.

      Also, from the article:

      The SFPD says it expects to be able to quickly track down the suspect by contacting the Segway company, and obtaining a list of San Francisco Segway owners.

      So I doubt it will take too long to find the rider.

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    14. Re:From the just in case link... by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      like, rtfa?

      there was no implication that there was a chase at all, the guy just probably simply left after the incident.
      ******
      The child was walking outside her father's Potrero Hill store on Tuesday when a Segway ran her down. Witnesses say it was traveling about 10 miles per hour.

      Joel Bleskacek, father: "I was quite angry and I confronted him. I asked him why he was driving so fast during the crowded lunch hour on the sidewalk. He claimed my daughter jumped in front of him."
      ******
      That implies that the father hadn't even SEEN the incident. the girl was _3_ years old. Now, I might be stupid but what the hell was the parent thinking letting her toddle around like that in the first place? into a what the father even himself claims that was a crowded lunch hour sidewalk. Imagine the girl wandering into the car crowded street from that sidewalk.. 3 year olds don't know much about the world.

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      Sophie Maxwell, S.F. supervisor: "This just reiterates our concerns and our fears that this is exactly what can happen."
      ****
      yeah, well, 3 year olds can get hurt in situations just involving joggers if they're allowed to just jump around the place(or skaters or bicyclists or just about _anything_).

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    15. Re:From the just in case link... by Tmack · · Score: 1
      Joel Bleskacek, father: "I was quite angry and I confronted him. I asked him why he was driving so fast during the crowded lunch hour on the sidewalk. He claimed my daughter jumped in front of him."

      Sounds like he did stop, but after getting yelled at by the father, probably got back on his segway and left. The article is biased against the segway rider (who really should not have been on the sidewalk), and it would be interesting to hear from witnesses what the father's reaction was. It could be the guy fled in self defense.

      Tm

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    16. Re:From the just in case link... by autopr0n · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Joel Bleskacek, father: "I was quite angry and I confronted him. I asked him why he was driving so fast during the crowded lunch hour on the sidewalk. He claimed my daughter jumped in front of him." ****** That implies that the father hadn't even SEEN the incident. the girl was _3_ years old. Now, I might be stupid but what the hell was the parent thinking letting her toddle around like that in the first place?

      Uh, no it doesn't. For one thing, the girl might actually have "jumped" in front of the guy not noticing him, which would mean that both people were telling the truth. (Rider: "she jumped in front of me" Father: "he claimed she jumped in front of him"). All that it implies is that the father and the rider had a difference of opinion about what constitutes a "Jump", which is totally reasonable in cases like this. The fact that you've jumped to a ridiculous conclusion and used it to attack the guy's parenting skills, however, implies you're a jackass.

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    17. Re:From the just in case link... by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 1

      I'm a decent person, but... That's not what I'd have done. I'd have stopped and yelled at the dad for leaving his 3 year old girl unsupervised...

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    18. Re:From the just in case link... by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The trick is that Segways are really the only one you can safely take through a crowd.

      I think that there are a lot of New Orleans police that would argue that a horse is just as effective at moving through crowds.
    19. Re:From the just in case link... by phraktyl · · Score: 2, Funny

      The only problem with that approach is that you'll have to find a cop who is in shape...

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    20. Re:From the just in case link... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well, that's not how I take it. If he(father) had seen it I'd take it as pretty certain that he would have refuted the guys claim.

      however, I still keep the guys parenting skills on fault at some level(I wouldn't really if the kid had been 7 or so, but 3...), doesn't mean there's no fault in the segway drivers side though.

      btw, keep the autopr0n going..

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    21. Re:From the just in case link... by ryanwright · · Score: 1

      The fact that you've jumped to a ridiculous conclusion and used it to attack the guy's parenting skills, however, implies you're a jackass.

      No, but your response certainly implies that about you.

      A 3 year old child has no business wandering around on a sidewalk unsupervised. Period. Said child should have been holding her father's hand, or her father should have been carrying her. Both father and child are damn lucky this was a Segway. Next time it could be a car.

      This guy's parenting skills are lacking when it comes to his daughter's safety. That doesn't excuse the Segway rider from illegally operating his toy on a crowded sidewalk; it's simply a valid observation that can stand on it's own.

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    22. Re:From the just in case link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, well, 3 year olds can get hurt in situations just involving joggers if they're allowed to just jump around the place(or skaters or bicyclists or just about _anything_).


      None of those things belongs on the sidewalk, except perhaps for jobbers, and they shouldn't be running where other people are.

    23. Re:From the just in case link... by GlobalEcho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Spoken like a true childless objectivist.

      Plus: a car? No one should have to watch for that on a sidewalk. A parent can easily keep a 3 year old off the street without holding hands or carrying. But somehow I doubt you would know that.

      Anyone should have the reasonable expectation that anything moving on the sidewalk is capable of avoiding injurious collisions with a human of whatever size. For example, someone engrossed in a map should not be walking at a brisk pace.

      Segways and bicycles operated at medium+ speeds or by unskilled riders belong on the street, where they shoulder more of their own risk.

    24. Re:From the just in case link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Spoken like a true childless objectivist.

      As a childless objectivist who has often had to deal with absentee parent brats surrounding him, I can say, more often than not, these children are so short that they aren't noticed until they have bumped into me. Fortunately, each time, the parent apologizes, or laughs it off, and, also very fortunately, I've managed *not* to step on any of their feet or trip them up without noticing, especially when they decide to shit on the floor.

      Did I mention during the above times, at each time, I was *MOTIONLESS*. These brats actually run around NOT LOOKING AT THEIR SURROUNDINGS (no surprise there, really) and end up running into my legs (a lot like a guy reading a map walks into a telephone pole). I really don't care about it at all, except it does go to show that a collision can even happen when an object remains motionless if 3 year old absentee parent brats are about.

      I can definately see how a 3 year old could easily have ended up in the path of the segway without being noticed. No problem at all.

      Now, if this were an adult, yeah, I'd say the segway driver was a moron. But a 3 year old absentee parent brat fixated by a cool new motorized toy choosing to run up to the driver to ask him all about why it works? *THAT* is easy to believe. And you know it. Of course, on the outside you'll simply deny it like a true absentee parent would.

    25. Re:From the just in case link... by ryanwright · · Score: 1

      Spoken like a true childless objectivist.

      I have two, a 7 year old and a 9 month old. Further proof that you can't judge a person by his /. posts.

      Plus: a car? No one should have to watch for that on a sidewalk.

      The street is - what - half a foot from the sidewalk? Depends on which side of the sidewalk you're on, but in most areas you get 5 feet at most. Chances are, most pedestrians on sidewalks are between 1 and 3 feet from traffic at any given time. It would take a 3 year old child half a second to cover that distance and end up flattened by a car.

      A parent can easily keep a 3 year old off the street without holding hands or carrying. But somehow I doubt you would know that.

      This parent couldn't keep his 3 year old from jumping half a foot into the path of a Segway rider, but you're telling me he could keep her from jumping half a foot into the street and thus a car?

      I'd also be interested in your method of sidewalk safety with a 3 year old. You don't hold her hands, you don't carry her, how can you be sure she won't dart into traffic? Do you use a leash? My daughter was very well behaved when she was 3, but I still didn't let her walk mere feet from traffic without firmly holding on to her in some manner. It's just common sense.

      Segways and bicycles operated at medium+ speeds or by unskilled riders belong on the street, where they shoulder more of their own risk.

      Segways don't belong in the street (due to cars) but neither do they belong on crowded sidewalks (due to pedestrians) unless moving very slowly. That said, I think the answer is easy: Let people use their Segways on the sidewalk. If others are around them, they shouldn't move faster than 3-5 miles per hour. If they do, and they hurt somebody, they should be held accountable.

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    26. Re:From the just in case link... by edrain · · Score: 1

      IIRC, the Segway's top speed is 12mph. That's a 5 minute mile. If you can keep make that pace, my hat is off to you. Certainly a cop in polyester pants and wearing a belt weighting n lbs. would be hard pressed to.
      Of course, here in Portland, they'd just shoot you in the back and be done with it. :(

    27. Re:From the just in case link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      These brats actually run around NOT LOOKING AT THEIR SURROUNDINGS (no surprise there, really) and end up running into my legs
      Legs? You're lucky. I guess I'm shorter than you.
    28. Re:From the just in case link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      This parent couldn't keep his 3 year old from jumping half a foot into the path of a Segway rider, but you're telling me he could keep her from jumping half a foot into the street and thus a car?
      Pretty easy if the parent is between the kid and the road, fucktard.
    29. Re:From the just in case link... by zonker · · Score: 0

      heh, with gas prices as they are, it is getting to the point that you can almost justify the price of one of these things...

  2. Three Hour Tour by boristdog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why does that sound ominous too me?

    1. Re:Three Hour Tour by garcia · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey, if Ginger is leading that tour I'm *REAL* fucking curious. :)

    2. Re:Three Hour Tour by drooling-dog · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Hey, if Ginger is leading that tour I'm *REAL* fucking curious. :)

      I'll take Mary Ann over Ginger any day...

    3. Re:Three Hour Tour by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, she's 70 nowdays. You might be disappointed. =)

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    4. Re:Three Hour Tour by Erratio · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Segways are going to all hit a big rock and loose their power, stranding a bunch of lazy people in some uncharted area of Chicago (beware the natives), perhaps a mile or more from known civilization. Since none are brave enough to walk the grueling distance back, they will concoct elaborate schemes to get back, which will invariably be foiled by the bumbling assistant tour guide. Coming soon to a TV near you.

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    5. Re:Three Hour Tour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ginger = codename for the segway, when it was in development

    6. Re:Three Hour Tour by garcia · · Score: 1

      You're obviously unaware that it was named "Ginger" during development. See here.

    7. Re:Three Hour Tour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Let's see, there's a millionaire and his wife, a movie star,
      a professor, and...Mary Tyler Moore."

      "All on Gilligan's Isle?"

      "No...island."

      "That is...so stupid!"

      "I don't think so! In fact, I was thinking I could play the part
      of the skipper."

    8. Re:Three Hour Tour by garcia · · Score: 1

      Sounds better than our modern day Gilligan's Island (aka Survivor). I'd watch that.

      You don't have to worry about spiders or poisonous snakes while watching beautiful butterflies... You instead have to worry about Spider and Snake the two gangsters w/the butterfly knives :)

    9. Re:Three Hour Tour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then again ... maybe not. :)

    10. Re:Three Hour Tour by drooling-dog · · Score: 1
      You're obviously unaware that it was named "Ginger" during development.

      True enough. But nevertheless, I stand by my original statement.

    11. Re:Three Hour Tour by Shadowhawk · · Score: 1

      For those who have never heard of Gilligan's Island, see here.

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    12. Re:Three Hour Tour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen her on TV lately. She actually doesn't look bad at all for her age.

    13. Re:Three Hour Tour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you could be modded 'informative', but you'd have to find someone who actually hasn't heard of Gilligan's Island.

    14. Re:Three Hour Tour by smithmc · · Score: 1

      I'll take Mary Ann over Ginger any day...

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  3. just in case... by netfool · · Score: 5, Funny
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    1. Re:just in case... by kunudo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Georgie, don't waste your time on that, come here instead.

    2. Re:just in case... by dallask · · Score: 1

      He didnt turn it on first.

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    3. Re:just in case... by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The picture is hilarious, but I find it funny that people think it strange that we get pictures of bush doing stupid things when he has people filming him constantly.

      But I bet you've never done anything clumsy.

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    4. Re:just in case... by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1

      Why he gave up his bike with the pink seat I don't know...

    5. Re:just in case... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      "free" is overstating it a tad.

    6. Re:just in case... by angry_leprechaun · · Score: 1

      Someone actually studied the pictures and published a quasi-analysis of the scenario. The "Mystery Object" in the pictures is actually Bush's Scottish Terrier Barney. Remember when he dropped Barney?

    7. Re:just in case... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea that gets even more funny the 5,000th time i've seen it

    8. Re:just in case... by Fig,+formerly+A.C. · · Score: 1

      Because Harley riders stole his tassles? ;-)

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    9. Re:just in case... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that George W. Bush? I thought he was the President of the United States. When did he also become the Leader of the Free World?

  4. The city that should have these is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Washington, DC. You could zip around between the monuments and museums pretty quickly. A lot of the car traffic in that area is really not necessary, and people could get in and out of the area via Metro.

    1. Re:The city that should have these is by Seumas · · Score: 2, Informative

      DC does have these. I've seen it reported on TechTV, FOX News and CNN. A number of other cities have these two. I've probably heard half a dozen just on television reports alone.

      Kind of not news at all anymore. *shrug*

    2. Re:The city that should have these is by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      There is no car traffic an the mall anymore, IIRC.

      I doubt they'd let a Segway in there either, could be packed with explosives or whatnot.

      Besides, once you get away from the mall, smithsonian, etc, you're in nothing but the filthiest, dirtiest slum I've seen in my life.

      It makes you want to run screaming to the safe streets of downtown Baltimore. I'm not trying to flame either, DC should be a national disgrace. I work 5 minutes outside of DC, where we keep all doors to our office locked because someone once broke in and raped and assaulted the receptionist.

      No politician or lobbyist actually lives inside the beltway, of course. They're limoed with escorts daily at taxpayer expense.

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    3. Re:The city that should have these is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not true. A number of them live in the lovely areas in Northwest DC.

  5. Missing screen? by michaelmalak · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't remember the "Chicago Lakefront" screen in Lemmings.

  6. Wow, timely news, dumbasses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um. This is news? Segways are being used to give city tours in all sorts of cities from the west coast to the east coast - including Washington DC. What's the next story in the queue - "young people are downloading music online"?

  7. Been there, done that - Sarasota Florida by tbase · · Score: 4, Informative

    It was a few months ago we had a news story down here about a company giving Segway tours of Sarasota, with full support of City Hall.

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    1. Re:Been there, done that - Sarasota Florida by tbase · · Score: 1

      Here's a link to a Washinton Post article from January on the Sarasota Segway Tours. Googling for "segway tours" yeilds over 22,000 results from all over the world.

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  8. Makes some sense by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    consider the cost of ownership of a ten passenger van versus the cost of ten segways. The segways win compared to the cost of a new van. Moreover the segaways have better access. Still the segways cant be used just anywhere like this.

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    1. Re:Makes some sense by taped2thedesk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Another plus:

      If the ten-passenger van breaks down, there are ten 'seats' out of commission until it gets fixed. The capacity of your business goes down by ten people.

      If one of the segways breaks down, the other nine still work. Thus, you're only missing, and chances are you'll have a few spares around anyway. Your capacity only goes down by one.

    2. Re:Makes some sense by timeOday · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Plus it's a lakefront tour, surely it would be more fun out in the open air rather than in a van.

      Bikes could work, but only for cyclists. I run regularly but definitely don't have the butt callouses to sit on a bike seat for 3 hours.

      Walking would be nice, but you couldn't go as far in 3 hours, and besides nobody would pay you $60 to let them walk for 3 hours.

      Besides being a great attention-getter, I have to admit the Segway actually makes some sense here!

    3. Re:Makes some sense by SirWhoopass · · Score: 2, Informative

      I won't argue about your access point. Segways can get around in a lot more areas than driving a van.

      As to cost, however, I think you are off. Segways are about $4,000 each, so the total cost is $40,000. That's a third more than a new Ford ten-passengar van (brand new E350 XLT with 15-passenger seating- $29,685 according to For's website). I'd have to imagine the liability insurance and upkeep for ten Segway rentals is higher than a single van.

    4. Re:Makes some sense by drooling-dog · · Score: 0
      consider the cost of ownership of a ten passenger van versus the cost of ten segways.

      Then consider the cost of 10 bicycles...

    5. Re:Makes some sense by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      Also I'd be alot more inclined to take the tour if I got to play on a Segway in real world conditions for a few hours rather than just sit in a van.

    6. Re:Makes some sense by jCaT · · Score: 3, Informative

      consider the cost of ownership of a ten passenger van versus the cost of ten segways. The segways win compared to the cost of a new van.
      What?

      Segway Human Transporter (HT) I Series
      Price: $4,495.00
      X 10: $44,950.00

      2004 Chevrolet Express 2500 15 Passenger Van
      MSRP: $26,175.00

      According to This site, an estimated cost per mile for the segway is 18 cents per mile, with battery purchases included. Multiply that by 10 people, and you have a cost of $1.80 per mile.

      According to Edmunds.com, the cost per mile on the Chevrolet van is $0.66 per mile.

      I wont argue with the fact that segways have better access, but it's just not true that they are cheaper in any way, whatsoever.

    7. Re:Makes some sense by dallask · · Score: 1

      Your forgetting the part that the Segway uses no gas... with gas prices today your van is quickly going to surpas the Segway in Cost per Mile.

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    8. Re:Makes some sense by jCaT · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please read the URL's I referenced. Edmunds.com's "COST PER MILE" estimate takes gas prices into account. Even if they didn't, at 15 mpg, the van would cost an extra 13 cents per mile to operate. That bumps it up to $0.80 cents per mile- still less than half as much.

    9. Re:Makes some sense by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      Great, so now lakefront cyclists have to avoid:

      a) scads of people walking on the bike trail
      b) tourists pedalling those weird car-bikes from navy pier
      c) tourists on segways which will take up an entire lane (and riders who are probably novices)

    10. Re:Makes some sense by Like2Byte · · Score: 1

      OK. Say the business owner thinks that way, too. Instead of saying, "Forget it! Too much up-front capital required."

      He says instead, "OK, Fine. I'll only buy 7 or 8 Segways until I've payed them off, then I'll buy the other two."

      The gain? If his van breaks down, he's out 1 - 5 days revenue. If a Segway breaks down, he out 1 segway with the other 6-7 making him money so he can repair his $4,000 investment vs his being out totally against $29,685 for the cost of the van + the revenue he *would* have created for the days the van was inoperable.

      Not to mention the fact that one or two segways are probably scheduled as backups so no one or two people have to miss the rest of their ride due to some breakdown. Insert the backup segway and viola - the show must go on!

    11. Re:Makes some sense by GlobalEcho · · Score: 1

      Actually, since I use the lakefront path for transportation I am kind of dreading these. Bike Chicago already rent sociables (side-by-side pedal powered vehicles) for the non-cyclists along the lakefront, and of course lack the rear-end-toughness issue. Tourists wandering all over the path and taking up several feet of space in these things are a real problem.

      The Segways will not be as wide, but I expect that the clueless tourists using them will not ride single file, but rather wander all over, risking collisions with the rest of us. I would prefer they stay on the Grant Park and Museum Campus sidewalks.

      It's odd -- the last Chicago/Segway news I recall hearing was that the city was not going to allow these things. That was way back when Kamen had the political machine running to convince state legislatures that these devices were sidewalk-aapropriate. Which, if the governors are set to 5mph, I concede they probably are. At 12mph I think they should be on the street.

    12. Re:Makes some sense by JDevers · · Score: 1

      I've seen more cyclists on the ped trail than peds on the bike trail to be honest...especially around Olive Park...

    13. Re:Makes some sense by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      You are assuming the van is always full and in service.

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    14. Re:Makes some sense by sulli · · Score: 2, Interesting
      consider the cost of ownership of a ten passenger van versus the cost of ten segways. The segways win compared to the cost of a new van. Moreover the segaways have better access. Still the segways cant be used just anywhere like this.

      consider the cost of a ten passenger van versus the cost of ten bicycles. you get the same features, and can take an awesome trip around the world with the money you save. plus the passengers lose weight.

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    15. Re:Makes some sense by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Plus, if some customer on a Segway is brutally assaulted / smashes into a pedestrian / plows into a post you can look forward to an expensive lawsuit in addition to the loss of the segway he / she was riding on at the time.

    16. Re:Makes some sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So you buy a DaimlerChrysler Dodge Sprinter with the Mercedes-Benz I5 diesel. They're around $34,000 in 15 passenger form. Then run it on used deep fryer oil.

      If you don't think your electric rates will go up as gasoline prices go up, you don't understand the fungibility of energy sources.

      The real key is the cool factor. You won't convince anyone that Segways are a more cost effective way of moving 10 people around, but you'll probably get a lot more customers on them than in a van for short tours.

    17. Re:Makes some sense by Phurd+Phlegm · · Score: 1
      consider the cost of ownership of a ten passenger van versus the cost of ten segways. The segways win compared to the cost of a new van.
      On my planet Kelly Blue Book price for a 2003 Econoline 12-passenger van with 0 miles is $23,000. Last I heard, the Segway was around $5,000. Even if you're paying a little more for this year's van (I couldn't figure out how to get a quote one one), you're off by a factor of around 2.

      So, it isn't money, most likely. Also, insurance companies aren't used to writing Segway policies, so I'm betting your costs on that are much higher....

    18. Re:Makes some sense by lechuck80 · · Score: 1

      Ridiculous. You really think that a Segway can compare to a ford van Economically? Ford vans can last 40 years if taken care of... Segways? maybe 5.

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    19. Re:Makes some sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Bikes could work, but only for cyclists. I run regularly but definitely don't have the butt callouses to sit on a bike seat for 3 hours.
      This is why god created Spenco seat covers.
    20. Re:Makes some sense by csnydermvpsoft · · Score: 1

      The paid driver for the van is quite a bit more than that, however.

    21. Re:Makes some sense by swillden · · Score: 1

      You mean the tour guide? I think you'll be paying him/her regardless.

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    22. Re:Makes some sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, but there's no way that this tour company paid full price for the segways. Setting aside any special discount they get for purchasing 10 at the same time, I can almost guarantee that they got these things at a good price simply due to the advertisement for Segway. Think about it, NO ONE is buying these things... They've been a total flop... Segway might be trying to spark some sales here by having people try them for a "reasonable" (??) price. My guess is that they're hoping a small portion of these tourists will see some value to having a segway and buy one of their own.

    23. Re:Makes some sense by tftp · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A ten-passenger van will happily run for many, many years before it breaks down - that is because its technology is simple, mature and well known. Just service it as the manual says. Also, how much of a rough ride you would expect from a bus tour in a city?

      Segway, on the other hand, is a tricky thing. Its batteries can run out at any time, and they wear down gradually (your fuel tank doesn't.) Your tourists have to have good body coordination to ride anything (bike, Segway, monocycle - anything), but they need none of that to sit in a van that is carefully driven by your employee on a well-beaten path. Accidents and lawsuits were already mentioned, and anyone who pays for the tour definitely expects some level of safety.

    24. Re:Makes some sense by tftp · · Score: 1
      Segways? maybe 5.

      I will not be surprised if all seven are stolen or wrecked within a year.

    25. Re:Makes some sense by tftp · · Score: 1

      Does this inclination include bad weather? Chicago is not exactly San Diego. If not, then your tour is restricted to good weather, and that leaves your business with much fewer usable days. And when I say "good weather" I mean "the exactly right weather" when it is neither too hot nor too cold. People can be hurt (and older people can require medical help) in such conditions. Does the business wish to restrict the tours only to young and healthy tourists?

    26. Re:Makes some sense by tftp · · Score: 1
      Additionally, the driver of the van can talk to the group and explain what they are seeing (otherwise how would they know what place of interest is out there?) Within a van this can be easily done by using an intercom or just by talking loud enough.

      But when a group of 10 Segway riders is on the road, they will have to keep some safe distance (5 feet at least?) between each other, and so the tour guide can be as far as 50 feet from the tourist. In open air conditions, and lacking any PA, there is no chance to hear the tour guide. Even worse, if a tourist wants to hear the guide he will be forced to come closer and risk a collision with another Segway.

    27. Re:Makes some sense by Archibald+Buttle · · Score: 1

      As others have quite rightly pointed out the Segway option is most definitely more expensive than the van.

      One more word on the Segway vs van thing...

      Rain.

    28. Re:Makes some sense by AoT · · Score: 1

      But that would require physical exertion. That reminds me of the only segway I have seen in real life. Some guy uses it by my house to ride up and down the bike trail and smoke.

      Yeah, we just got a more polluting way to walk.

    29. Re:Makes some sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      www.xootr.com

      Best personal urban transit on the planet...

  9. Need a new term by Timesprout · · Score: 1

    How exactly should you refer to a bunch of people on segways?

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    1. Re:Need a new term by thebra · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nerds?

    2. Re:Need a new term by deutschemonte · · Score: 0

      Judging from the article that was linked to at the end of this story, I would call them a Murder.

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    3. Re:Need a new term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I believe the proper term is a "pack of idiots with too much money on their hands."

    4. Re:Need a new term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How exactly should you refer to a bunch of people on segway?

      A bunch of less cars on the road.

    5. Re:Need a new term by mrtroy · · Score: 2, Funny

      A bunch of less cars on the road.

      An english translation please?

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    6. Re:Need a new term by platypibri · · Score: 1

      Well, Yuppie sounds like puppy, so perhaps a "pack" of segways. Or course a "crash" of segways sounds like more fun, but I think a "skit" of seways sounds appropriate for some reason.

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    7. Re:Need a new term by JoeBar · · Score: 1

      SegWayans Keenan Ivory, Damon, etc..

    8. Re:Need a new term by mahdi13 · · Score: 1

      Not Nerds...Slashdotters

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    9. Re:Need a new term by GersonK · · Score: 2, Funny

      They're just a Segment of the population.

    10. Re:Need a new term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is in english, but translation for the hard-of-thinking: the assumption is that if people didn't use segways, they'd be driving a car... It's a play on the "one less car" stickers you see on bicycles... ahh nevermind...

    11. Re:Need a new term by sab39 · · Score: 1

      "'A bunch of less cars on the road.'

      An english translation please?"

      Seems perfectly correct to me. A Segway is certainly "less car" than, say, a Mini Cooper :)

    12. Re:Need a new term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How exactly should you refer to a bunch of people on segways?
      "HEY, DIPSHIT!" seems appropriate.
    13. Re:Need a new term by jdgeorge · · Score: 1

      Not Nerds...Slashdotters

      Right, "Slashdotters", or in common parlance, "huge nerds".

    14. Re:Need a new term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a Herd of Nerd?

  10. Looks like it's a Gimmick by Inhibit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    to get people to use the Segway's or somesuch. It might work to get people to view the city... wonder if it's funded in part by a tourist council?

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  11. In your face Mr Hype "IT my ass" by t_allardyce · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    HA! I knew it! i said it before: segways will _only_ be used in niche markets such as tourist gimicks and maybe in business/campus/warehouses, we will not need to re-build cities around them, they won't change everything, they are no big deal.

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    1. Re:In your face Mr Hype "IT my ass" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent obvious..

  12. They've been doing this in Paris for over a year. by flanksteak · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I saw people touring Paris last year on a bunch of these. One of the tourists almost pulled a GW onto the pavement, but the guide showed them how to properly mount the Segway before they tried again. If you're going to Paris, Nice, or New Orleans anytime soon, check out City Segway Tours.

    Here in Seattle I've also seen the people who collect the change out of parking meters using Segways to move up and down the sidewalks.

    I guess Kamen is managing to sell these things, but not as many as was originally hoped.

  13. Minneapolis by Judg3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Minneapolis does this to on their "Magical History Tour"

    Travel back in time on a Magical History Tour(TM)! Ride a Segway as you enjoy the history of the Minneapolis Riverfront area from 10,000 BC to present without breaking a sweat. Let the Segway do the work as you cover several miles accompanied by a professional guide

    Of course, this one costs $70

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    1. Re:Minneapolis by foo12 · · Score: 1

      A friend and I were dining outside at Pranca a couple weeks ago and saw a couple groups go by --- our immediate response was, "Cool -- I want to steal one"

    2. Re:Minneapolis by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      I just heard about this earlier today...and well it was fun to come home and see it on /. in chicago

      Another interesting minneapolis segway fact, they own several at the Target corporate offices, and you'll see everything up to VP's late for a meeting speeding across the office

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  14. So... by TelJanin · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...how long until the Mayor falls off of one?

  15. Do Segway's promote laziness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Maybe the last thing America needs is a wheelchair for people who can stand. How about a bicycle? Or some roller blades?

  16. Helmets!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you feel you need to wear a helmet to ride a device that travels at 5 mph at ground level, then you are something which starts with "p", ends with "y" and can also mean "cat."

    1. Re:Helmets!? by shastafinlayson · · Score: 1

      Says someone who's never ridden one of the #%$#ing things. Tried it, hated it.. for something that only goes 5mph they are too unruly. Give me a motorcycle.. the risk/reward is greater.

    2. Re:Helmets!? by TelJanin · · Score: 1

      It's not for their protection, it's so if somebody falls off of one they won't sue the city for "improper protective devices" or some such.

    3. Re:Helmets!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Or you live in the country with the most frivolous lawsuits: USA.

    4. Re:Helmets!? by sndtech · · Score: 1

      the segway is not limited to just 5 MPH. they can go to speeds around 15 MPH it just depends on which key is used.

    5. Re:Helmets!? by jcuervo · · Score: 2, Funny
      something which starts with "p", ends with "y" and can also mean "cat."
      <ralph> Puppy! </ralph>
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  17. Great, just great by InternationalCow · · Score: 1

    Now you can tour Chicago while looking like an idiot.

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    1. Re:Great, just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there anything wrong with that? You should try looking like an idiot while being a tourist, sometime. Go the whole nine years: hawaiian shirt, big camera on a strap around your neck, clip-on sunglasses, riding a segway. It's fun.

  18. Already in chicago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They have been in Chicago for awhile... I have seen parking meter cops riding them around the loop for the last month or so.

  19. France already has this by horza · · Score: 1

    I see Segways here all the time in Nice, France, doing tours of the Promenade d'Anglais. Quite funny watching people drifting past dressed in a helmet and green bicycle jacket, though they appear to be having great fun. Might give it a go myself one day.

    Phillip.

    1. Re:France already has this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I see Segways here all the time in Nice, France
      What's it like there?
  20. Ive been doing this for 6 months. by dallask · · Score: 4, Informative

    Finally, I can promote my business and not be off topic...

    We have been renting the Segway HT for 6 months now in the La Jolla / San Diego area... We also provide training and a helmet to all riders and to date have not had a single incident.

    It is interesting though the reaction we get from the disabled community. While the majority of people who encounter the units see them as a marvel, the Disabled community is split in their view of the units.

    Those with minor to severe mobility issues LOVE the units. They see them as a viable alternative to a wheelchair and a way to increase their mobility.

    However, those who are confined to a chair, and those who are blind and deaf are strongly opposed to the units being on the sidewalks.

    They are afraid that they will be hit by the units and see them as a danger, even though NOONE, in this area at least, has been hit by the units.

    To further increase their safety, we also limit the units to 6 miles per hour.

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    1. Re:Ive been doing this for 6 months. by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Not telling you how to run your business, but do people have to wear the helmets? I'd feel pretty stupid wearing a helmet at 6mph. That's jogging speed. But yeah, it might help if you get sued.

    2. Re:Ive been doing this for 6 months. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, those who are confined to a chair, and those who are blind and deaf are strongly opposed to the units being on the sidewalks.

      This is really due to problems with current city layouts not keeping up with the times, at least here in North-America. As Kamen mentioned himself, it's time that city streets got redesigned. Each street really needs three classes of lanes: a sidewalk for those moving at walking pace, a street for those moving at driving pace (cars, motorbikes, scooters, messenger bikers) and a lane in-between for everything else (joggers, regular bikers, electric wheelchairs, segways). Eliminate curbside parking for cars and enforce speed limits judiciously and you're all set.

    3. Re:Ive been doing this for 6 months. by dallask · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, it is an insurance liability to allow someone to ride the unit, rented from us, without a helmet. However, what they do with the helmet after they leave is outside of my control.

      Insurance wise, we must do everything in our power to keep the rider safe. That includes training, and a helmet. But you are required to wear a helmet when you rent a bike as well.

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    4. Re:Ive been doing this for 6 months. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Does your insurance policy actually have that clause in it? "Renter must wear a helmet"

    5. Re:Ive been doing this for 6 months. by Will2k_is_here · · Score: 1

      Renter must wear a helmet

      Otherwise a clause which says: "We will not be held responsible for injuries sustained..."

    6. Re:Ive been doing this for 6 months. by dallask · · Score: 1

      Actualy, yes. It does. If a rider is injured and was not PROVIDED and instructed to wear a helmet, our insurance would not cover us.

      Every rider signs a waiver stating that they agree to wear the helmet while riding the units.

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    7. Re:Ive been doing this for 6 months. by joggle · · Score: 1
      However, those who are confined to a chair, and those who are blind and deaf are strongly opposed to the units being on the sidewalks.

      That's a bit ironic given that the guy who invented the Segway is the same guy who has invented countless mobility devices for people confined to wheel chairs.

    8. Re:Ive been doing this for 6 months. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      I only ask because I've heard similar from other sources, and when pressed, the clause they quote isn't actually in there.
      i.e. riding my bike through the bank drive-through.
      "You can't ride that through here. Our insurance doesn't cover it."
      'Oh. Could you have the manager fax me that particular clause'
      Days later - "Oh, we were mistaken."

      Also, knowing the limits of bike-style helmets, what would happen in the unlikely event a renter were injured while wearing one? They are not as protective as the companies make them out to be.

    9. Re:Ive been doing this for 6 months. by TobiX · · Score: 1

      To further increase their safety, we also limit the units to 6 miles per hour.

      What? You only give them the 6 mph key?
      Man, this is lame... I WANT MY DAMN RED KEY!

  21. Next thing you know Portland, OR will by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Be painting Segways Yellow- and leaving them around town for just anybody to use who wants to look stupid, just like the Yellow Bike Project

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    1. Re:Next thing you know Portland, OR will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went to UMaine, an dwe have a Green Bike project on campus. Every spring, there are hundreds of green bicycles around campus. You can get on them and ride them to class, or wherever on campus, and leave them where you go.

      While you call it "stupid", I call it a viable alternative to bringing a bike to campus, and much faster than walking.

      The project is funded by donations, and students repair the bikes. All in all, it's a great system.

    2. Re:Next thing you know Portland, OR will by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      The idea isn't as stupid as the idea of yellow segways or yellow bicycles- or green bikes for that matter; it's a viable alternative especially for students, but in our hyper-materialistic world you're also advertising "I'm too poor to own my own transportation" to the world.

      In other words, the stupid part isn't in the idea itself, which is quite smart, but rather in how society looks at it. And how the people who use it look to society. Segways make people look stupid and lazy to begin with- publically owned yellow ones would be even more ridiculous.

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  22. Better use? by FerretFrottage · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about you beef them up on the front and use them as part of some humn a bowling ball device. Maybe protect the driver in some sort of giant plastic hasmter wheel and then have the contestants drive into 10 ft (around 3+ meter) heigh pins. Make a couple of the pins exploding and you got a nice spring break event. Of course as the SF hit and run article shows, who needs pins when you got people.

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  23. Who's providing helmets for the pedestrians? by sjonke · · Score: 2

    Surely anything requiring a helmet for safety should not be allowed on sidewalks.

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    1. Re:Who's providing helmets for the pedestrians? by jmays · · Score: 1

      A bike? Rollerblades? A manual scooter? Skateboards? None of these on sidewalks, eh?

      Right.

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    2. Re:Who's providing helmets for the pedestrians? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Bikes - no. Usually illegal, almost always more dangerous.

    3. Re:Who's providing helmets for the pedestrians? by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      None of these on sidewalks, eh?

      Why, yes, that is the regulation in most places... your point?

    4. Re:Who's providing helmets for the pedestrians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a pussy, live a little. Yeah, occasionally some guy will get hit by a Segway, bike, skateboard, rollerblader, etc., but that is the spice of life.

    5. Re:Who's providing helmets for the pedestrians? by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      This attitude is part of the car/pedestrian duality that is the bane of better smaller forms of transportation. Bikes and skates and segways and even maybe Toyota PMs absolutely cannot compete with 6000-pound hunks of metal travelling at 45mph down the street, but neither are they welcome on the sidewalk, the traditional realm of the pedestrian. I imagine this is the exact same problem that ensued during the original transition from horse and carriage to automobiles. Getting more space on the street is extremely unlikely, so expect to be sharing half 'your' sidewalk with us smarter non-ped-estrians for the near future at least.

    6. Re:Who's providing helmets for the pedestrians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have tons of bikepaths in my town and yet the stupid cyclists insist on riding in the street and getting in the way of automobile traffic.

    7. Re:Who's providing helmets for the pedestrians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the helmet on a Segway is because of the vertical distance from the ground, much more than the velocity of the device.

    8. Re:Who's providing helmets for the pedestrians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do they know they exist? I rode my bike to work every day for 3 years before somone mentioned a nice trail that took me less time to get to work even!!!! it wasnt on a map anywhere other than old city planning docs in the downtown basement in Houston, TX in 1993!!!!

      so next time your mad at them, pull out your leaflet from your glovebox containing how to find all the bik paths in the area on your web page to avoid street driving, or STFU!!!111oneone

  24. Segway Experience by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

    I know of someone who actually tried the Segway out, and judging by his usually calm personality, the machine was quite an experience for him.

    They have got to let more people try this thing one way or another. Otherwise it'll just become urban legendware.

    1. Re:Segway Experience by dallask · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We rent the Segway in La Jolla CA. Everyone who has tried the units has come back very excited about them.

      Most tell us that the trick is to relax and let the unit do the work for you. They also tell us that it is so responsive that it almost obeys your thoughts rather than your actions.

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    2. Re:Segway Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We rent the Segway in La Jolla CA.
      We fucking heard you the first time already! Someone please mod this asshat down.
  25. Question is... by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

    There was a bizarre hit and run that took place in San Francisco on Tuesday between a 3-year-old girl and a Segway.

    Three-year-old Ruby Bleskacek sustained cuts, bruises and a nasty bump on her head.


    Will they be provideing helmets and pads for all the peds that arn't rideing the Segways?

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    1. Re:Question is... by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      I don't see what's "bizarre" about the accident. A guy ran into a 3 year old kid and then pissed off before the police showed up, it wouldnt matter if he was on a Segway, skateboard, or even jogging.

      Joggers run into kids cars, bikes, people, all the time. I've seen joggers listening to their ipods, both eyes staring intently at their little heartbeat monitor thingie.

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    2. Re:Question is... by yoshi_mon · · Score: 1

      How many joggers, skateboarders, or skaters add an extra 83 lbs. of metal on you when they hit you?

      Bikers are about the only thing that come close but you would have to be rideing one monster of a bike for it to reach 83 lbs! Not to mention the size of the person who could propel the thing. So that's not even a valid compairison.

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    3. Re:Question is... by fishbowl · · Score: 1


      "There was a bizarre hit and run that took place in San Francisco on Tuesday between a 3-year-old girl and a Segway."

      This incident only seems bizarre to someone who has never been in San Francisco.

      Sure the *segways* are kind-of new. But between the foot and bike traffic, the insane hills, those (kinda fun!) little electric cars and the, uh, motorcycle car things, and the scooters, the way people drive and the way pedestrians just walk in the streets whenever they want, it's amazing that you don't see more accidents.

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  26. Already in Paris by ad1c · · Score: 1
    We saw Segway tours in Paris in July 2003. Check out this link:

    Paris Segway Tours

  27. You ain't Seen Nothin' Yet . . . by Dausha · · Score: 1

    So, a three year-old girl was hurt. While that truly is sad, I'm waiting for the first pedestrian fatality attributed to a Seqway.

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    1. Re:You ain't Seen Nothin' Yet . . . by Skater · · Score: 1

      Good thing there haven't been any pedestrian fatalities from cars. They might be banned too! Especially rental cars!

      Oh, wait...

    2. Re:You ain't Seen Nothin' Yet . . . by jcuervo · · Score: 1
      So, a three year-old girl was hurt. While that truly is sad, I'm waiting for the first pedestrian fatality attributed to a Seqway.
      This will come not from the driver of a Segway mowing someone down, but from the guy walking on the sidewalk who fails to repress the urge to beat the living shit out of the driver with his own scooter for looking like such a dork.
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    3. Re:You ain't Seen Nothin' Yet . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Good thing there haven't been any pedestrian fatalities from cars.
      There aren't many that occur on the sidewalk, though.
    4. Re:You ain't Seen Nothin' Yet . . . by Skater · · Score: 1

      Segways never have to cross the street? Wow!

      --RJ

  28. Segway tours of Epcot by ralphb · · Score: 2, Informative

    For a while now, you have been able to get a Segway tour of Walt Disney World's Epcot theme park. They weren't available the last time the family went to WDW, but next time we're going to give this a try.

    1. Re:Segway tours of Epcot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like tour for tards.

  29. How about by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    you charge me $2 bucks and let me ride one of THESE

    or better yet, ride a bicycle, McDonalds, motorized scooters, maybe motorized shoes next, let's get some exercise people. I know some people need assistance, but I'm tired of seeng 5 year olds on motorized vehicles, DAMN.

    1. Re:How about by dallask · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The segway is not meant to replace WALKING! It is meant to replace DRIVING...

      I assume you own a car? Do you walk to the grocery store? How about to the movie theater?

      When was the last time you walked between 5-15 miles to get to a destination. Now, when was the last time you DROVE there?

      The Segway is meant to replace driving in short trips to and from locations between 10 and 15 miles from your departure point. It uses no gas, and cost $0.10 a day to charge.

      Its transportation, not exercise.

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    2. Re:How about by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The segway is not meant to replace WALKING! It is meant to replace DRIVING...

      Neither, really. It's suppose to fit a zone in between that has previously been poorly-serviced.

      Do you walk to the grocery store?

      That'd be an especially bad use of the Segway. Grocery customers buy numerous large bags, which you can't transport standing on a scooter. Keeping the purchase size down to what a Segway can carry would nessecitate more trips.

      The Segway is meant to replace driving in short trips to and from locations between 10 and 15 miles from your departure point.

      The Segway goes maybe 12 miles in an hour. Depending on road conditions, automobiles do between 20 and 60. For the 10-15 mile trips you're talking about, a car is the rational choice for the following reasons:
      1. More than twice as fast, meaning a 10 mile trip is 20 minutes instead of 50. (Saving 60 minutes bidirectionally)
      2. For trips longer than 15 miles, a car is needed. And since you've already got an expensive vehicle for long distance, why not use it for shortrange too?
      3. Protected from the weather
      4. Transport cargo/people
      5. Less expensive (a used car starts at $400, 1/10th the price of a Segway)
      6. Headlights for nighttime operation
      7. Longer range (Segways die after less than 3 hours travel)


      Segways don't do well compared with bicycles either. Bikes are about equivalent in terms of speed, cargo, and weather protection, but can cost just 1% of the sale price, and have the benefit of increasing the operator's cardiovascular health.
      Plus, in uncongested areas, the bike is faster too... and of course it goes longer between recharging.

      The market niche for Segways is apparently people who'd like to make small bicycle-level trips, but are too obese to pedal themselves.
    3. Re:How about by corbettw · · Score: 1

      Do you walk to the grocery store?

      No, and I also don't buy so little that I could fit a week's worth of groceries on my back for the trip home. I don't see how the Segway would help anyone do their grocerie shopping.

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    4. Re:How about by dallask · · Score: 1

      http://www.segway.com/images/shop/lower_cargo_lg.j pg

      Use these... you can fit a surprising amount of stuff in them.

      I wouldnt use the Segway for large shopping trips... but I ride it 2 miles to work every day.

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    5. Re:How about by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer - I don't own a Segway, though I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night... err, that is, I took a Segway tour at Epcot and so got the chance to use one for a few hours. So while not an expert I do have some real-world experience.

      That'd be an especially bad use of the Segway. Grocery customers buy numerous large bags, which you can't transport standing on a scooter. Keeping the purchase size down to what a Segway can carry would nessecitate more trips.

      I would find it pretty easy to transport most of a load of groceries on a Segway, especially if you used the saddlebags or a backback (or both). If it's within a mile or two (as a lot of grocery stores are) it's better to go a little more often anyway to get fresher fruit and vegetables. You could perhaps go once every few months to get a load of lots of heavy canned goods.

      The Segway goes maybe 12 miles in an hour. Depending on road conditions, automobiles do between 20 and 60. For the 10-15 mile trips you're talking about, a car is the rational choice for the following reasons:...

      I have to agree that 10-15 mile one-way trips would be pushing it - unless there were a bike path that was more direct than traffic. Sometimes you cannot even go as fast as a Segway on a 10 mile trip in rush hour, on side streets... so for commuting it would be pretty good.

      I thought the rage was better than three hours, but I'm not certain of that.

      Segways don't do well compared with bicycles either. Bikes are about equivalent in terms of speed, cargo, and weather protection, but can cost just 1% of the sale price, and have the benefit of increasing the operator's cardiovascular health.
      Plus, in uncongested areas, the bike is faster too... and of course it goes longer between recharging.


      Apart from cost (which is of cource substantial) Segways do very well in comparison on a number of fronts - I would say you could carry a heavier load on a Segway, and the biggest thing is that the Segway is a lot faster if there are any hills involved! I cannot bike to work as I cannot afford the time it would take to get here and shower from all the hills in the way, but a Segway I think would arrive in about half the time (for a five mile trip) and I wouldn't generally need to shower when I got here.

      For a lot of people the Segway could replace a lot of uses of cars. If I could get one for less than 2k I would, just based on the experience of using them at Epcot.

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    6. Re:How about by Compuser · · Score: 1

      I would argue that a car is far more expensive.
      Having insurance for a couple of years is basically
      the price of a Segway.
      Also, many people like me never go farther than
      5 miles from their home. The only times I travel
      farther, it so far that I go by plane (and I take a
      bus to the airport). In short, your #2 isn't a
      generic agrument.
      Segway's main disadvantages are #3 and #4 on your
      list. And insofar as you would be willing to put
      up with those, I agree that an electric bike is a
      far better choice unless you are disabled. But of
      course a quality ebike is about half the cost of a
      Segway not 1%.

    7. Re:How about by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      and the biggest thing is that the Segway is a lot faster if there are any hills involved!

      It all depends on the exact geography of course, but I think that after two weeks of practice, the hills would cease to be a problem.

      to get here and shower from all

      If the shower is a consequence of having sweated on the trip, then Segways can share that problem. Automobiles can turn the air conditioning up to frosty levels, but of course Segways and bikes can't do this. They'll both have you exposed to hot sunlight for about the same length of time. Of course, the bike also involves some physical extertion, but I think in the summertime you'd sweat regardless.

      Another point I neglected to mention is that bicycles and automobiles have a wheel diameter greater than twice that of a Segway. This becomes important when you get off of neat sidewalks and onto real roads, which can become highly non-smooth, especially at the edges. A thin bike wheel can navigate precisely around the edges of obstacles/potholes, which a Segway could not avoid without swinging way out into automotive traffic.

    8. Re:How about by ryanwright · · Score: 1

      Grocery customers buy numerous large bags

      We do?

      There is a grocery store between 1 and 2 miles from my house. I often go there for one or two little things. A box of doughnut holes, lettuce and tomato to add to dinner, some milk, etc. I won't take my bike because I'd have to leave it on the sidewalk in front of the store, and considering how much I paid for it (over $2k), I doubt it would be there when I was done shopping.

      So I drive. But if I had a Segway, maybe with a little basket on the front, I'd take that instead. I could ride that right into the store, up and down the isles, etc. Get my food, pay and go home. Would be faster than driving and a lot more fun.

      What's stopping me? The $4,000 and the looking like a dork bit. Now, if they were $1,000, and if other people routinely rode them around my local grocery store, I'd buy one for sure. I can live with looking like a dork if I'm not the only one doing it.

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    9. Re:How about by tftp · · Score: 1
      Here is an example. I live in warm climate which can allow all-year use of a Segway (aside from rains in the winter.) However I have nowhere to ride. My grocery store and the bank are about 3 miles away, but I wouldn't dare to ride a Segway on that 2-lane road, it would be suicide. I work 2 miles from home but there is a steep, tall bridge in between and I have no illusions about that Segway Power thing :-) And everything else is even farther than that. A trip to electronics store, for example, is about 10 miles, and I have no plans to spend even 30 minutes on the trip when I have a wide and convenient 55 mph rated road from here to there.

      There is another factor. People tend to combine trips. In the morning I may buy something at 7-11, at the afternoon I may go somewhere for a lunch, in the evening I may buy some groceries... it would be quite inconvenient to change vehicles between trips.

    10. Re:How about by tftp · · Score: 1
      Having insurance for a couple of years is basically the price of a Segway.

      No way. Such a person would have to be one hell of a reckless driver, with history of convictions. Or he would have to live in Canada, but then Segway is not much of use anyway :-) I pay about $300/yr. for the insurance on a standard car around here.

    11. Re:How about by tftp · · Score: 1
      You still have to solve the problem of not finding your Segway where you left it. Until you do, you will be better off taking your expensive bike. Or you may want to buy a cheap bike at Wal-Mart, nobody will bother stealing that one.

      The problem here is that the Segway is small enough to be lifted off the ground and dropped into a truck all within 10 seconds, by the team of only two. Small motorbikes are often stolen this way. A chain may delay the theft a little, but thieves have hand-operated cutters that silently cut through pretty much anything. (The cutters work as a hydraulic press, offering the same exceptional force multiplier.)

    12. Re:How about by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 1

      The problem here is that the Segway is small enough to be lifted off the ground and dropped into a truck all within 10 seconds

      I agree with you, but Dean Kamen claims that a technical solution (encrypted digital key) prevents a stolen Segway from being used.

      In reality, Segways cannot be profitably stolen because they're still so rare that individual vehicle's sales history (based on a VIN-equivalent) can be easily traced. Hard to fence off a Segway. In a few years, if a used-Segway market emerges, that'll change.

      (Even if stealing them isn't profitable yet, you're still vulnerable to people who just want to screw with the dorkmobile)

      by the team of only two.

      I can do it solo! The segway is far lighter than any motorbike, and it's more compact, so you can keep the weigh near your center of mass when lifting.

    13. Re:How about by tftp · · Score: 1
      Dean Kamen claims that a technical solution (encrypted digital key) prevents a stolen Segway from being used

      Right... but do you really expect this "encrypted digital key" (a.k.a. dongle) to remain not cracked for long? People crack things all the time, for fun more than for profit. Can you imagine an incentive to hack a Segway? That would combine both. Expect to find a.b.w.Segway-Firmware at a newsserver near you :-) If it hasn't happened yet, it's only because Segways are still too expensive to lay a geek's hands on. Just wait until someone steals a Segway and gives it to his pal who has a way with computers... he'll do it just for the heck of it. The Segway runs on IA32 CPUs, IIRC, so it is not nearly as hard to work with as some obscure MIPS would be.

      With regard to registrations, cars are registered far more strictly than Segways will ever be. And cars are stolen all the time regardless. There will be a market for Segways (because there are perfectly good uses for the contraption) and some of resold Segways will be stolen goods. Same with cars, if you buy cheap. But a stolen car is hard to register; a stolen Segway needs no registration, and a "see no evil" person can intentionally skip whatever checking is there. If such a person buys the Segway with firmware ID reset to 0x1337D00D and with the "VIN" sticker removed, who is to question the legality of the purchase?

      There is another reason for thieves to do their thing. It's called "Fresh Batteries". The batteries will be wearing out, and the new battery, you can bet, will cost an arm and a leg. It will be quite convenient for many to buy a used but still in good condition battery from a "totaled" Segway. I can expect such sales of everything Segway - any parts - on eBay. This is not news with cars either.

    14. Re:How about by Compuser · · Score: 1

      Where do you live? Are you single male? Because
      all I see is $1500 per year in insurance. This is
      in Illinois. I have no driving record looking at
      buying my first car but aside from that I would
      think my case is typical. If someone were offering
      insurance at $300/yr, the decision to own a car
      would be much easier.

    15. Re:How about by ryanwright · · Score: 1

      You still have to solve the problem of not finding your Segway where you left it.

      The point is that you don't leave a Segway. You ride it right into the store and shop with it under your feet. Can't do that with a bike.

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    16. Re:How about by tftp · · Score: 1

      95050 (so it's not far from the scene of the story); yes; $327.80, I just checked; good record goes back at least 10 years (that I was able to prove with papers that I could find.)

    17. Re:How about by tftp · · Score: 1
      Hmm ... maybe then. But I really don't expect store owners (which are usually a multi-mega-corporation) to permit anyone to enter on a Segway, just because of insurance risks; for example:

      • A rider can crash into expensive merchandise
      • A rider can injure other customers or himself
      • Other customers will see Segway riders as a danger and go to a competing store where they are safe from the menace
      • A rider on a Segway can steal tons of stuff and get away.

      So many problems, and where are the benefits to the store owners? I just can't see it happening. You can't take pets into most of the stores right now (except guide dogs marked as such), so the prohibition of Segways will not be anything special.

  30. Chicago is the first city??? by azurefog · · Score: 1

    I don't think so... I live in Salt Lake City - hardly known for being progressive or open minded - and this link can show that we've had this going on for the last 10 months or so: I see these people every evening as I ride my $300 mountain bike home... It's a lot cheaper than the Segway, but the cool factor definately ain't there....

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    1. Re:Chicago is the first city??? by azurefog · · Score: 1

      Oops, wrong button....



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  31. Not a new idea by Roblimo · · Score: 1

    They've had Seqway tours of Sarasota, Florida, for quite a while now.

    And yes, a line of turistas on Segways looks just as idiotic as you're imagining it does. See? :)

    1. Re:Not a new idea by JoeBar · · Score: 1

      The dork brigade

    2. Re:Not a new idea by jcuervo · · Score: 1

      Hey, that girl in the back is pretty cute.

      Wtf are those things on the front of the girls' scooters? Baskets?

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    3. Re:Not a new idea by nanter · · Score: 1

      Looks like they're probably for their purses...

  32. Epcot by SirPhreak · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Even better, Epcot just started 2 hour tours.

    $80 for 2 hours around Epcot, a lot better than Chicago thats for sure, travel all the best countries in the world on a Segway! Reservations needed.

    I'm going in a weekend or two.

    Florida residents get 15% off I believe.

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    1. Re:Epcot by Craig+Davison · · Score: 1

      Epcot better than Chicago? Maybe if you're a sheltered idiot.

  33. Another 'Just In Case' Reason by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Funny
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  34. Deposit required by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Riders must leave their pride with the ticket booth before joining the tour.

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  35. Shut up already by EaterOfDog · · Score: 1

    I am so sick of this Segway crap. What we fat-ass Americans need is a good bicycle. God forbid we should get the tiniest bit of exercise. A good-quality bicycle is about 1/10 of the cost of the Segway, is much more reliable, lasts longer, goes faster, looks cooler, doesn't need charging, burns calories, etc. Rant ends here.

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    1. Re:Shut up already by Geek_3.3 · · Score: 1

      You forgot "doesn't weigh like 70 friggin' tons."

      (OK, fine--POUNDS... but still, it's pretty damn heavy. A lot heavier than a damn cheapo walmart bike even.)

    2. Re:Shut up already by dallask · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Trying to sell you on the concept of the Segway is akin to trying to replace a farmer's horse with a car in the 1900's.

      but in all honesty, the segway isnt for you. Your happy on a bike, and thats ok. Just realise that it is picking up steam and sales and you might just have to share the sidewalks in the future.

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    3. Re:Shut up already by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Bikes aren't on the sidewalks and Segway's shouldn't be either.

      Sidewalks are for walking, pedestrians. Take your segway on the side of the road.

      Most cities will ban them from sidewalks as soon as they show up. Put them into those diamond cyclist lanes.

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    4. Re:Shut up already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Share? Sidewalks?

      The cops here take offense at biking on the sidewalk. Would that they feel the same way about the leisure class tourists on their segways, I wouldn't be offended. (This is Sarasota, FL)

      I actually think that the segway is pretty cool. But should it be considered a sidewalk-safe vehicle if bicycles aren't? (And in most places, it is technically illegal to ride your bike on the sidewalk...)

      Also, even the fruity rich have a problem with the $4K price tag. I don't see think it will pick up a whole lot of steam any time soon.

    5. Re:Shut up already by EaterOfDog · · Score: 1

      First off, I think what you are trying to say is "replace a farmer's horse with a TRACTOR" I have never seen anyone plow a field with a Monte Carlo. The reason the farmers changed over to the tractor had to do with the fact that a tractor would allow them to get more work done with less help. I.E., it's more efficient. What you are offering is something slower and more expensive with a "Wow" factor, NOT something more efficient. Having said that, I do think the Segway is cool and fun, but it pales in comparison to the sleek, refined design of the bicycle.

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    6. Re:Shut up already by dallask · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The CA legislature has limited the Segways speed to 8 MPH on the sidewalks. We rent them at 6mph.

      Those who own one and wish to ride them at the faster speeds can ride them in the bike lanes.

      And for cites with dedicated bike lanes, that's fine. However, the unit's riders are legally considered a pedestrian. This is because the Segway is MUCH more controllable than a bike, or skateboard.

      At 12MPH I can stop within a foot. Which I cant do on a bike. I can also stand still and pivot in place, allowing me to get in and out of tight places.

      Its a new machine, with new technology, that's like nothing else on the market.

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    7. Re:Shut up already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Trying to sell you on the concept of the Segway is akin to trying to replace a farmer's horse with a car in the 1900's.

      Good point, apart from the fact that it is totally and utterly nothing like that at all, you mong.

  36. Taking out a Segway Jedi style by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Couldn't the police just come from the opposite direction with 2 Segways with a cable between them and trip up the offending Segway? It works on Imperial Walkers!

    1. Re:Taking out a Segway Jedi style by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is hilarious. Imagine what would happen if their cable wrapped around a lamp post right in the middle.

      BONK. Two collided cop noggins and two toppled segways free for the taking.

    2. Re:Taking out a Segway Jedi style by eap · · Score: 1
      Couldn't the police just come from the opposite direction with 2 Segways with a cable between them and trip up the offending Segway? It works on Imperial Walkers!

      You must be thinking of another movie. I don't think the Segway was even invented yet when Star Wars came out.

    3. Re:Taking out a Segway Jedi style by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Segways would be IMITATING the movie. Geeez, you must be a lawyer.

  37. Minneapolis by verloren · · Score: 1

    Happens in Minneapolis too, and they have a cool URL:

    http://www.humanonastick.com/

  38. Yuck, hard enough to avoid people along the lake by Zed2K · · Score: 1

    Its hard enough to bicycle along the lake while people that don't follow normal riding rules don't know how to not ride down the middle of the sidewalk or swerve or ride on the wrong side. Now you'll have to share traffic with segways that will crowd the sidewalk even more? The drivers will probably act like suv drivers and think that they have the right and only way.

  39. wheelchair alternative by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    I'm still waiting for the IBOT to show up.

  40. Re:Yuck, hard enough to avoid people along the lak by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

    Here, here! The worst are those tourist 4-passenger bikes, the SUVs of the bicycle world, that families can rent at Navy Pier, travel along at about 3 miles an hour, and take up both directions of the bike lane.

  41. Jousting tournaments by GPLDAN · · Score: 1

    Better not ride them south past McCormick Place, or they will find people that will quickly dismount them from the device and then beat the crap out of them for looking so dorky.

    I can't wait until Chicagoans set up Segway jousting at Navy Pier. It's just a matter of time.

    1. Re:Jousting tournaments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a pretty good point. Just a few strands of fishing line (piano wire would be altogether the wrong idea) to create confusion. With enough backup, you wouldn't even need a gun. I'd say you could move them (at a leisurely pace) @ $2500 apiece. That's about $25K; not much less than a typical bank job and at much less risk.

      (disclaimer: armchair conjecturing only. Also, I don't really know anything about how secluded the Chicago lakefront is.)

  42. Okay... by jav1231 · · Score: 1

    So they are changing the world! One....little...corner of it...at....a...time.... I'm glad to see it's lived up to its hype. **yawn**

  43. Helmets?? by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

    I mean if our brilliant president gets hurt by these things, they have to be dangerous right? I mean jeez, travelling 5 mph at one foot off the ground. Using those segways are almost as dangerous as JOGGING.

  44. A three hour tour by Virtex · · Score: 2

    ... a three hour tour ...

    Why did I get flashbacks of Gilligan's Island when I saw that phrase? Hmmm...

    Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
    a tale of a fateful day.
    That started from Chicago's port,
    aboard this here Segway.
    The tour guide was way up front,
    the crowd was brave and sure.
    Five tourists set off that day,
    for a three hour tour, a three hour tour
    The weather started getting rough,
    the Segways all were tossed.
    If not for the courage of the fearless bunch,
    the tour would be lost; the tour would be lost.
    The Segways took ground on the shore of this uncharted desert isle,
    with Gilligan, the guide too,
    the Millionaire, and his Wife,
    the Movie Star, the Professor and Mary Ann,
    here on Lake Michigan's Isle.

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    1. Re:A three hour tour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid.

    2. Re:A three hour tour by kickabear · · Score: 1

      Damn, you beat me to it. I was drafting my version when yours came out. Good job!

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  45. Uh, I think you meant this "just in case" by freelunch · · Score: 1
  46. Good in theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Ok it will replace driving short trips in certain circumstances, but it still doesn't eliminate the 'need' for a car. What about hauling large items, do they come with trailers? Can you take your 3 kids with you? what happens if you get a sudden thunderstorm? Winter time? Locations that have no sidewalks?

    IMO it is a very expensive bicycle, albeit very nice, well built, etc.

  47. Speed and safety by phorm · · Score: 1

    According to this, max segway speed is about 12.5 mph (20 km/h). Sidewalk speed is about 8 mph (12.9 km/h).

    On my blades, my last trip on even ground was about 18.2km/h. That puts the segway at a little over me when maxed, but probably fairly under at sidewalk speed. I'm sure I'm not the fastest blader around...

    The point being, the safety issues with the segway aren't so much centric to speed as they probably are to weight and carelessness. The added weight of the machine could be somewhat of a danger, but only when you've got a careless driver... which makes a segway not much more dangerous than a nut on rollerblades.

    1. Re:Speed and safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The point being, the safety issues with the segway aren't so much centric to speed as they probably are to weight and carelessness.

      Segways have the same issues as rollerblades, bikes, and jogging. In all cases it's carelessness in the way riders/bladers are unwilling to slow down when around people on foot.

      The problem is that accidents between pedestrians and rollerbladers (or bikers in some cities) are not publicized as much as an accident involving a Segway. I've seen rollerbladers and bikers run into people on foot. It's not pretty, especially when the rollerblader or biker runs off without even an apology.

      Rollerbladers, bikers, joggers, Segway-riders should all be taken off the sidewalks.

  48. From the "just in case" link by Sinful_Shirts · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The man fled the scene on his Segway. Police think he lives in the neighborhood. " Wow, I would have figured he rode his segway from a different city.

  49. Here is your new comedy wallpaper: by GeekyGurkha · · Score: 1

    I do believe that it's in standard ratio
    (Thnaks to whoever posted the link to the site earlier)

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  50. Chicago Police on Segways by GlobalEcho · · Score: 2, Informative

    I would not characterize it as "a lot". I ride my bicycle on city streets and the lakefront daily, and though I see bicycle cops all the time I have yet to see a Segway.

  51. FWIW... hartford cops by enrico_suave · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure I saw a spot on the news that harford PD was allocated a handful of these and some of the streewalking, er.. foot patrol cops were trying these out...

    *shrug*

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  52. Re:From the just in case THE COPS HERE ARE FAT by 314m678 · · Score: 0

    THE COPS HERE ARE FAT. It is pretty easy to get away from the often coked-up hick-piggies.

  53. What? by Serious+Simon · · Score: 1

    "Police say this could be the Bay Area's first injury accident by a Segway, known as a high-tech people mower."

  54. My only question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why do all the girl segways have a sack on the front of them and the boys segways dont. Isnt this backwards?

  55. Get the link right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on! That this is the right place for the just in case link!

  56. 3 year old falls down. wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look folks, little kids fall down.

    They fall down when people walk into them. They fall when dogs bump them. Dozens have probably fallen down in the last year alone due to bicyclists and roller bladers on the sidewalks. They're walking disaster areas -- I don't think it's the Segway's fault!

  57. Why did I think the "just in case" link... by DysonSphere · · Score: 1

    would point to Bush falling off of one in Kennebunk.

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  58. SF and kids by GlobalEcho · · Score: 1

    This perpetrator sounds like the classic 20something gadget-phile guy who knows nothing about children. He blames a 3-year-old for suddenly changing direction??!!

    Of course, SF is -- for various reasons like expense and convenience -- relatively empty of children, so the lack of experience at least is predictable. I suppose there are a lot of equivalents to this guy around.

  59. Seen 'em by Suffering+Bastard · · Score: 2, Informative

    I guess I'm a little late to this conversation, but just wanted to mention that I've seen these tours already happening. I was downtown, at Columbus and Monroe, on May 15th and saw a group of people on Segways wearing helmets. I overheard one of them telling the group what route they were going to take to complete their tour.

    It'll be interesting to see how this affects pedestrian traffic downtown. Shouldn't be too bad as long as they stay close to the lakes and parks; I can't imagine how they'd get around in the Loop without creating huge pedstrian traffic delays.

    I've also seen some cops using them. Gives me an ominous feeling when I see that and recall Steve Jobs's comment: "people will build cities around this thing."

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  60. Montreal and Chicago O'Hare Airport by tyen · · Score: 1

    Just within the last month I saw Segways in two places that made sense. One was at Old Port of Montreal beside Vieux ("Old") Montreal through Source Segway Canada. My girlfriend and I took the quick, CDN $20 orientation, and it was fun. This outfit also rents out the units, though they are priced higher than the Chicago lakeside outfit's guided tour, at USD $110.95 for three hours of rental. That's even more expensive than Gyro Glide Rentals in San Diego, where a 3 hour rental comes out to USD $89.85. When we were there, they had a full class of people viewing an orientation video for their 1 hour rental. The Old Montreal area is not what I would say is ideal for first time Segway users, but I could easily see experienced users navigating around easily.

    Chicago O'Hare airport's police also use Segways now, apparently purchased back around the beginning of the year. Saw one zip by really fast the other week, easily at a good running pace. Man, for those incredibly long hikes in DFW airport in the American Airlines terminals to catch a connection, I would easily pay USD $5, even USD $10, just to flash a card proving I've taken an orientation course and jump on a Segway for a couple minutes instead of running for 10 minutes to that gate that is in the opposite direction of that damn tram.

  61. Not the way it works. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Generally on the Segway tours you are tought that the pedestrian has absolute right of way and you are to stop if anyone looks like they are going to get in front of you. Unlike a bicycle, on a Segway it is no trouble to able along with pedestrian traffic instead of needing to zoom ahead of them.

    On the tour I was on it worked very well, even with 10 of us winding in a line through a very crowded Epcot. We just went very slowy and occasionally stopped as someone walked in front of us. It does help that the devices can be limited to 6mph, as people that were not used to them could get going too fast without even noticing.

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    1. Re:Not the way it works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Generally on the Segway tours you are tought that the pedestrian has absolute right of way and you are to stop if anyone looks like they are going to get in front of you."

      How are you taught that? Are you beaten to an inch of your life when you fuck up? Or do you somehow believe that these people will learn any other way?

  62. Actually it takes more work than you would think by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sure it looks like you are just standing there. But remember the Segway is using cues from your body to determine if it should move forward, back, or slow down... so you are actually spending a lot of time readjusting balance in ways you're not accustomed to, and after a few hours your legs can get fairly tired. It's not like being in a car whene the experinece is mostly passive as far as your muscles go.

    Heck, even just standing up for a long time without balancing in different ways is more than most people do!

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  63. Segway is not pedestrian. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    • However, the unit's riders are legally considered a pedestrian. This is because the Segway is MUCH more controllable than a bike, or skateboard.

    Are you sure the manufacturer didn't lobby hard for this legal redefinition of pedestrian? A wheeled vehice is still much LESS controllable that plain old legs and feet, which is why they are not actually or practically called "pedestrian".

    Pedestrian \Pe*des"tri*an\, a. Going on foot; performed on foot; as, a pedestrian journey. <- (note the period)

  64. Doing the math... by Gudlyf · · Score: 1

    Segways + waterfront + GWB = Hilarity!

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  65. comparison with early automobiles by tsunamifirestorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    at the beginning of the twentieth century, a lot of people were concerned about the accidents that could occur from automobiles. the cost of accidents were eventually considered to be a reasonable risk considering the convenience that they give.

  66. Disney too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not just in Chicago. Disney is providing a guided tour during their Food and Wine festival at the Epcot park using the segways. It starts this fall.

  67. to whom? by krokodil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... helmet is provided -- just in case.

    After reading link about segway accident, I realized
    that helmets should be provided also to pedestrian, not just drivers.

  68. People thought bicyclists looked stupid too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone who makes fun on Segways might should remember that bicyclists were also considered stupid-looking by most people when they first came out. Not that I think the Segway looks good, but everything's not about how you look.

  69. They've been doing this in Paris for a year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These guys http://www.parissegwaytours.com/ (aka Mike's bike tours) have been doing this in Paris for a year. The tour is in the 70 euro vs. 15 for the bike tour.

  70. I've seen them by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    But only a couple of times and always downtown. Its seems more of a prestige thing for the city than anything else. I've also seen the Chicago PD Hummer parked at an event. Makes me wonder how better this money could be spent. I guess there's really nothing wrong with a few prestige items, but a troop of segways is really pushing it.

    1. Re:I've seen them by TheABomb · · Score: 1

      In Chicago, there's only one way to spend money: as corruptly as possible.

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  71. Bleeding-edge gamers are fools by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

    If I had $5,000 to spend on a gaming system, I would buy an Xbox... and a PS2, and a Gamecube, and a Gameboy Player, and a Dreamcast, and an N64, plus a few extra controllers for each console, plus a big screen TV and 5.1 speaker system to run them all into.

    My only problem would be figuring out how to spend all the money I'd have left over...

  72. SEG America (Segway HT related site) by STLSegway · · Score: 1

    As VP of SEG America (www.segamerica.org) and long-time owner of a Segway HT, I can say that I'm very happy that Chicago has this tour group. It's been one week short of two years since the first Segway HT sighting.

    History
    In February 2002 I started the first local functional "Segway" enthusiast group and web site dedicated to sharing news and resources surrounding the HT. On June 11, 2002 I was one of the first to attend one of the initial public Segway HT events held at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry.


    The HT is perfect in any city. I have been an owner for almost 19 months and have given over 1200 demos without one singe mishap.

    Many of the disabled community have also adopted the HT as a mobility alternative; see their site at www.draft.cc

    SEG America is an unbrella group for local groups, there's probably one in your town. www.segamerica.org
  73. I hope they take less room than rollerblades by ftzdomino · · Score: 1

    There is nothing more annoying than a fruit booter taking up the full width of the lake trail. I hope these groups don't block traffic quite as much.

    1. Re:I hope they take less room than rollerblades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pray tell, Sir, what on God's green earth is a "fruit booter"?

  74. Hmmm... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It all depends on the exact geography of course, but I think that after two weeks of practice, the hills would cease to be a problem.

    I don't think so. I know guys who bike 40 miles a day (not that uncommon in Colorado) and for most of the hills between my house and work, you are not going to be going much better than walking speed up them even with a lot of conditioning. I can tell because I pass them every day in my car and I have never seen any of them going above a crawl.

    If the shower is a consequence of having sweated on the trip, then Segways can share that problem. Automobiles can turn the air conditioning up to frosty levels, but of course Segways and bikes can't do this. They'll both have you exposed to hot sunlight for about the same length of time. Of course, the bike also involves some physical extertion, but I think in the summertime you'd sweat regardless.

    In Houston I would agree with you. But in any dry climate it's pretty easy to be outside even at 90 degrees or more for a long time and not really sweat at all. As long as you had a hat and some water things would be good (and for commuting the temperatures would be a lot lower when traveling).

    Another point I neglected to mention is that bicycles and automobiles have a wheel diameter greater than twice that of a Segway. This becomes important when you get off of neat sidewalks and onto real roads, which can become highly non-smooth, especially at the edges. A thin bike wheel can navigate precisely around the edges of obstacles/potholes, which a Segway could not avoid without swinging way out into automotive traffic.

    On the Segway you would simply ride over whatever it was, this to me is actually a weakness of the bicycle in that it's very prone to problems from the smallest of debris. A Segway has a huge amount of tourque as in very stable, you can just about go up over a curb on one. I actually wuld feel a lot more confident on a Segway near traffic than a bike, and I've biked quite a lot in the past. I know I could comfortably use the segway on rocky shoulders where nobody with a road bike is willing to go.

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  75. Screw standing up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here in the capital of the free world we have tours using another electrically powered personal transportation device ... the Rascal!

    http://www.cityscootertours.com/welcome.htm

    Try that one on for size. Personally I even thought about taking a tour, just for the fun of it, even though I grew up here and live in the city.

    At least the Rascal is kind of ironically cool, like a guayaberra shirt or bellbottom pants.

    Segway is just dorky. Not cool dorky, but lame dorky. Partly because the only people who buy it are old guys too lazy to walk with 5 grand to drop on something so unnecessary.

  76. If a Segway crashes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...would that be called a segfault?

  77. ISEF 2004 Used Segways by AsmCoder8088 · · Score: 1

    While I was competing at the 2004 ISEF in Portland, OR this year, I found several of the convention center staff using segways. So, this is another case where segways are in use.

  78. Saftey is a personal choice by IncohereD · · Score: 1

    Accidents and lawsuits were already mentioned, and anyone who pays for the tour definitely expects some level of safety.

    I've personally rented mountain bikes and snowshoes at Mt. Tremblant (in different seasons, of course), and was aware that I might hurt myself doing so. And probably signed a waiver to that effect. This could easily be similar....it's a CHOICE.

    1. Re:Saftey is a personal choice by tftp · · Score: 1
      The country is full of people who are raised and educated into belief that everyone else is responsible for their well-being. Ok, you are not one of them, and if you fall it's your pain. But there are plenty of other people who will not even think twice about suing everyone in sight for everything they did or did not do. And you can bet there will be plenty of [ambulance-chasing] lawyers to help them. It's free money, after all, and the Almighty Dollar rules here.

      This is not unique to Segway, by the way. The same thing happens with cars, and people do get slapped with huge penalties for a momentary lack of attention. I see no difference between breaking a leg in a traffic accident and breaking a leg on a Segway tour. It's just on Segway you have more people to sue. And often you have to do that, because the treatment of the injuries will cost you a lot of money.

    2. Re:Saftey is a personal choice by IncohereD · · Score: 1

      The country is full of people who are raised and educated into belief that everyone else is responsible for their well-being. Ok, you are not one of them, and if you fall it's your pain.

      It's just on Segway you have more people to sue. And often you have to do that, because the treatment of the injuries will cost you a lot of money.

      Solution to both these problems - move to Canada. That's why I don't have them.

  79. The History and The Present by michaeldot · · Score: 1

    At the London inquest into the world's first automobile fatality in 1896 the coroner said: "This must never happen again." Since then, 25 million people have died on the roads, says the World Health Organization.

    1.2 million deaths per year and increasing. Estimates of 50 million injuries. The rates are highest in the third world, but in the US there are over 14 deaths per 100,000.

    British Medical Journal report

    Personally, I find it slightly ironic that in deaths from human action, the war industry kills 3%, the automobile industry 23%...

    So, a new slogan for the peace hippies: Make Segways, Not Cars.

  80. How safe is this? by TheViewFromTheGround · · Score: 1

    I live in Chicago, and the lakefront path in the summertime is already overcrowded. Does the city really need quite possibly obese people who don't know how to ride a Segway zipping up and down the lakefront? Generally, they need to reengineer the paths to deal with the different kinds of traffic. I stay away from the lakefront at busy times ever since I was riding my bike (going around 25mph in the clear) and another cyclist decided, last second, to swing waaaaay out into my lane to ride next to his girlfriend. I ruined a wheel, smashed my nose to shit, and spent the next 9 months in physical therapy to fix my knee.

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  81. Segway Power by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The Segway has a lot of torque, and can maintain full speed up even pretty steep slopes.

    I was on an tour at Epcot and we had to go over bridges and ramps and such. We even went over one bridge that was very curved, like a large speed-bump - it easily climbed that and at the start that was a pretty steep incline.

    I agree with you about the 10 mile trip though. I think five miles is the best range for the Segway, anything else and the car starts looking much better timewise.

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  82. Absolute BS. by douglips · · Score: 1
    At 12MPH I can stop within a foot. Which I cant do on a bike.


    Absolute crap. Assume you are going 12 mph. To stop within one foot, that means you are travelling an average of 6 mph for one foot, which means you are able to stop in 0.114 seconds (1 foot / 6 mph). To decelerate from 12 mph to 0 in .114 seconds, you must decelerate at 4.8 g (12 mph/.114 seconds in g).

    What are your tires made of, superglue?

    In addition to having tires made of unobtanium, you'd have to lean your segway back almost horizontally to avoid going over the front. It's simple physics - on a bicycle, in order to avoid flipping over the handle bars, your center of mass must be behind the axle of the front wheel. As you decelerate, the line that defines "behind" tilts backwards. At 1 g deceleration, that line is tilted at 45 degrees.

    On a segway, your center of mass must always be exactly above the axle of the wheels. When decelerating, the line that defines exactly above tilts backwards in exactly the same manner. You cannot possibly stop a segway as fast as an experienced cyclist can stop a bicycle.

    This is also why those little scooter things with the tiny wheels can't stop quickly - the front axle is so low that you are almost guaranteed to go over if you had front brakes. The solution they use is to give you only a rear brake, meaning you are at a huge braking disadvantage.

    I'm not saying the segway is unsafe, just that your claims are completely unbelievable on their face.
    1. Re:Absolute BS. by dallask · · Score: 1

      To stop the Segway you MUST lean the unit back, now that does not mean that you have to lean back while being within a strait line to to the axel, simply that the unit itself must be leaned backwards.

      To accomplish this takes a bit of skill, however, when done properly, it is possible...

      Ill post a link to a video of me doing this... You will notice that the unit WILL stop within one second of initiating the stop. In the video I do not come to a complete and total stop, but I slow from about 12 mph to 1mph in about 1/2 a second.

      After the unit has come to a stop, the rider is leaned forward to maintain his balance. Should the rider wish to stop completely, he would maintain his backwards stance.

      To view this video, visit www.gyrogliderentals.com/stopping.mpg

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  83. Simple by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    You don't get to ride anymore if you start messing with pedestrians or taking risks - it was emphasized again and again how any mstreatment and that persons ride was over.

    I know you can't imagine it, but riding the Segway was way more fun than any temporary enjoyment you might get out of charging people on the device. So everyone was careful, and very polite to those around them on foot. Disney is letting groups of ten or so wander through the middle of a crowded park - and Disney does NOT take risks with people.

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  84. no, at 12mph you cannot stop in a foot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    12mph is 17.6ft/sec.

    To stop in 1 foot, you'd have to stop in rougly 1/10th of second.

    You'd thus be decelerating at 176ft/sec/sec. 1G is 22 feet/sec/sec. this is thus 8G.

    To stop at a rate of 8G, while in a state of balance (which the Segway always is in), you'd have to lean back until the tangent of your angle with the ground is 1/8. That's 7.12 degrees. You'd have to lay almost flat.

    If you leaned back at a mere 45 degrees, you'd only slow at 22 feet/sec/sec. It would take you 8 seconds to stop, and you'd have traveled far over 10 feet.

  85. Actually... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The tires are made of a very sticky compound. While a foot is perhaps overly optimistic, I don't think it's too far off. They way you slow down is to lean back, so you naturally are maintaining balance anyway. You do not have to be EXACTLY above the center of the wheels unless you wish to stand perfectly still, as the Segway counteracts your balance being over the center (yes this part works really, really well). You can lean way back on the thing when stopping.

    After riding one I really am pretty sure I could stop a lot faster, and safer, than on a bike. It just really is way more maneverable and comfortable and steady.

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  86. Segway is as controllable as feet by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The thing is that the Segway really is as controllable as walking, you just hvae to be mindful you are a bit wider than normal (if you aren't very wide to start with) Other than that it's super easy to hold it still or to make precise turns or move ultra slowly.

    I didn't believee it either until I rode one for a few hours. They are capabile of quite a bit more control than most people around me in crowds usually demonstrate.

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  87. pull way way back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop at 4G, you'd have to tilt back to 75 degrees from vertical. Are you leaning that far back? My guess is you aren't getting back past 45 degrees from vertical.

    If you do do that, given that you are 6 feet tall on the thing, you realize you now stand a good chance of cold-cocking anyone who was in an area extending 4 feet behind you? Did you look there first?

  88. one second at 12mph is 17.6 feet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even slowing, it's gonna be 10 feet.

    Not less than a foot.

    The math really isn't that hard.

    To stop from 12mph in 0.5 second, you'd have to decelerate at 35.2 ft/second/second. To do so, you'd have to lean the unit back until the tangent of the angle from the ground is 0.5. That's 27 degrees from the ground, 63 degrees from vertical.

    Do you really think you leaned the unit back that far in this mpg? Take a look.

    It appears to me that it takes more than 0.5 second, and you are doing more than 1mph at the end. Count one-thousand while watching that video at th end, did you move less than 1.5 feet or more?

    Most importantly, the stop takes many feet.

  89. You mean "LOSE" right? Sheesh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't you people spell?

  90. Connections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I heard about the guy in Spokane, Washington renting Segways out for $20 an hour I wondered about doing the same down at Navy Pier in Chicago. That was almost two years ago. If only I had the connections and a little venture capital back then...

  91. For Canadians who want to try a tour like this... by i-Chaos · · Score: 1

    I read the article, and really wanted to go to Chicago and take a tour. However, the website appeared to say that the chicago tour wasn't up yet, so after some googling, I found that you could tour old montreal with a segway! Yeehaw!

    It's here - http://www.segcanada.com/index.html - I know I'll be signing up for Canada Day weekend.

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  92. Segway Tours also happening in Paris, London by evalencia1 · · Score: 1

    In Paris:

    http://www.usatoday.com/travel/destinations/2004 -0 4-06-paris-segway_x.htm

    In London:

    http://www.segways.co.uk/segway_tour.htm

  93. I was hoping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that the "just in case" would link to this

  94. Simply Marvelous by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

    Fat clueless tourists rolling over regular folks.

    That's gonna shine up the image of Segways just great.

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  95. Re:You mean "LOSE" right? Sheesh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No,and neither can the people who make the "So-gay".

  96. Beer scooter by Hognoxious · · Score: 0
    Disney is providing a guided tour during their Food and Wine festival at the Epcot park using the segways. It starts this fall.
    Is that fall as in autumn, or fall as in falling down juice? This seems pretty stupid to me - when will we see the first prosecution for SEGWI (Segwaying While Intoxicted)?

    Perhaps some 733t d00d could integrate a GPS system with the segway and the beer scooter could move from myth to reality.

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