The memo isn't clear if this project is only for what i'd call "paper shuffling" agencies, or if Department of Energy, NASA, DOD, etc, are going to be required to participate as well. I doubt they would be, but they're also the ones who require the most computing resources, I would think. Of course, it seems they put the CIO of DHS in charge of this (for what reason, I don't know, but probably a nefarious one), so who knows what sort of ridiculousness is going to come of it.
Industry only self-regulates when the option is government regulation. For instance, the Gore hearings on the record industry where they cut a deal that they'd put the little stickers on them "voluntarily" just to keep the government from doing it. Of course, in that situation there were no known 'good guys'
I'm not talking about the guns. I have a concealed carry permit and a couple of hand guns. I like to shoot for fun, its a great stress relief. No, real crime doesn't require a guns, but a national security letter sure helps.
them as the person who did it. the government gives people the required skills and tools to commit crimes all the time, they usually just call them police and soldiers, though. that seems to be (mostly) constitutional.
KDE took hold in the FreeBSD community because Qt wasn't its self "free software" until relatively recently. A lot of people seem to forget that, and that the reason that Gnome was started (as an official part of the GNU project) was due to wanting a "completely free" desktop. A lot of the big linux distributions couldn't or wouldn't include KDE or other Qt-based software back then because of it.
KDE projects themselves were GPL/LGPL, but not being married to the license as a pre-requesite for using Qt made it more "acceptable" in the BSD world. At least that's my take on it, having watched it all gone down.
I'll admit that I'm not crazy about the GPL but if people want to release code under it, that's their prerogative. I don't like KDE 'cause I think its ugly and unwieldy and frankly, I prefer Gnome to KDE... not that I really like Gnome much either, but oh well.
That stuff aside, I think the issue both of us were talking about really just boils down to "damn kids, get off my lawn." Hell, I'm only 26 myself, but this is my authentic 5-digit ID. I like to think I grew out of the b.s. a long time ago.. plus, I never liked 'swordfish'.
Linux, particularly the GNU/FSF types, tend to be more ideologically motivated, I find, and I think most of the hate against Free/Net/Open BSD is hate against the BSD license because it doesn't fit into their framework of how the world should be. They're the ones that are going to be on about "software freedom" and all that, rather than "this works, let's use it."
Case in point, I mentioned above that I actually paid money for a commercial X server about 11 years ago. If BSDi BSD/OS hadn't been $1000, I'd probably have bought the "commercial" BSD, too. However, FreeBSD tended to get most of the worth while improvements rolled back from BSDi, and it only cost me like $30 to order it on CD-ROM (the dark days of dial-up and all that). My current company uses FreeBSD as the basis of our product to avoid GPL issues, as does Juniper and others. The FSF-types, of course, aren't going to be down with that and look at it as "theft" (never mind the fact that I know my company, and possibly Juniper as well, have committers on the pay roll) or something.
I think it has to do with the fact that Linux is more readily obtained and there has been a concerted effort to recruits new users. Its sort of like the Mormon Unix, in a way. What this means in practicality is that there is a large portion of the user base that has the "zeal of the convert" -- I'm not going to say that I didn't feel that way when I was 12/13/14 years old and was first starting out, but it's a real thing. As Theo once said, 'bsd is for people who love unix; linux is for people who hate microsoft.' That's kind of a classic troll, but its kind of true, too, to an extent.
I think that the type of people who are into BSD are generally older, have more experience in the industry, and are less ideologically driven in their OS choice than say, high school kids who saw pretty screen shots carefully crafted to look like something out of 'swordfish' or 'the matrix' an want to be 'l33t'. That's not to say that there aren't a lot of professional, neutral-minded Linux people, but then that's going to be the difference between the RHEL/CentOS-type of users and say, Mint (which I've tried and used before and I don't hate it, but let's face it -- we're not putting that on a production server any time soon).
BSD and Linux have their places, as do Windows and MacOSX. I (obviously) prefer BSD to Linux (though I've worked as an admin on a CentOS farm before), and Mac to Windows (though I didn't really have any problems with Vista 64 Ultimate as a desktop OS, just the command line was still for crap), but I can use the other and often do, and I'm at a point in my life where just getting the work done with the minimum headache is more important than what tool i use to get it done. From what I know of Linus, he seems to be of similar mind, too.
I used to use XiG Acclerated X Linux binaries on top of the linux abi on FreeBSD 3.3 back in the day, because the Voodoo3 drivers were better than the 'native' ones for XFree86 where at the time. I wouldn't try sticking network drivers or anything in, but I'm not really a kernel expert. There is an ndiswrapper-type thing for FreeBSD/PC-BSD if you need that for wifi, though.
:w!:q the sure-fire way to edit/usr/local/etc/sudoers without using bitch-ass visudo (still must be root, or `sudo vi`, but that should be self-evident).
The good side is on the inside of my firewall. Everyone else is potentially the enemy. Frankly, a situation which legitimized punitive retaliation against the attackers I have to fend off would be OK by me, no matter where they were located.
There is a difference between "extremely difficult" (no phone) and "starving to death" (no food). And the reason cellular networks have the most penetration there is because its easier and cheaper to plop a cell tower than it is to wire the countryside with copper. I know its not all starvation and huts in the third world, but that's not the point. The point is, you're not going to die without a cell phone for a few days (ability to call 911 aside) whereas you are pretty much guaranteed death without food.
Let's face it -- Google's not pulling out of China because the market is too big and China's not going to back down on filtering. The way I see this playing out is a deal where Google is allowed to operate unfiltered on their end, however the Chinese government places in-line content filters down stream from Google, between their network and the rest of country. This way the content still gets blocked, but Google can say "its not our fault."
They did that in the town where I grew up. Three other grocery stores went under within 6 months, and then once most of the competition was removed, the quality of the produce at the wal-mart went down because they didn't need to put a show on anymore. A bunch of small, independent shops of various sorts went under, too. I boycotted the new walmart for the first 4 years after it opened. I fucking hate that place. I'd rather drive farther and pay more than go to walmart if I can at all help it, but then I can usually afford to do so.
Everyone **needs** food. As strange as it may sound to people here, computers and telecommunications really are a luxury and we did just fine without either for most of our history. Source code is only even directly useful to a relative handful of people who use computers and I really don't think that you can compare the two, at least not in any meaningful way.
IIRC, there is a python on the cover of 'Programming Python.' I don't know why they picked a mouse for this, maybe because it was less confusing than picking a second kind of snake? The cover of 'Programming Perl' is, famously, the camel, however the language isn't called camel, so when they put the llama, alpaca and vicuna on 'learning perl', 'intermediate perl', and 'mastering perl' respectively, it was obvious they were related but don't cause any clash due to naming. What does the sheep on 'Perl Cookbook' have to do with anything?
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to just subscribe to Cinemax instead of going through all this trouble to de-scramble the pr0n?
or does the summary have nothing to do with the review?
The memo isn't clear if this project is only for what i'd call "paper shuffling" agencies, or if Department of Energy, NASA, DOD, etc, are going to be required to participate as well. I doubt they would be, but they're also the ones who require the most computing resources, I would think. Of course, it seems they put the CIO of DHS in charge of this (for what reason, I don't know, but probably a nefarious one), so who knows what sort of ridiculousness is going to come of it.
Yeah, but the correct one will probably be in 5th place about 50% of the time, so what's the point?
Industry only self-regulates when the option is government regulation. For instance, the Gore hearings on the record industry where they cut a deal that they'd put the little stickers on them "voluntarily" just to keep the government from doing it. Of course, in that situation there were no known 'good guys'
hey, this internet 3.0 sounds a lot like internet 1.0...
I'm not talking about the guns. I have a concealed carry permit and a couple of hand guns. I like to shoot for fun, its a great stress relief. No, real crime doesn't require a guns, but a national security letter sure helps.
them as the person who did it. the government gives people the required skills and tools to commit crimes all the time, they usually just call them police and soldiers, though. that seems to be (mostly) constitutional.
Then you prosecute them for theft or murder? What's so hard about that.
KDE took hold in the FreeBSD community because Qt wasn't its self "free software" until relatively recently. A lot of people seem to forget that, and that the reason that Gnome was started (as an official part of the GNU project) was due to wanting a "completely free" desktop. A lot of the big linux distributions couldn't or wouldn't include KDE or other Qt-based software back then because of it.
KDE projects themselves were GPL/LGPL, but not being married to the license as a pre-requesite for using Qt made it more "acceptable" in the BSD world. At least that's my take on it, having watched it all gone down.
I'll admit that I'm not crazy about the GPL but if people want to release code under it, that's their prerogative. I don't like KDE 'cause I think its ugly and unwieldy and frankly, I prefer Gnome to KDE... not that I really like Gnome much either, but oh well.
That stuff aside, I think the issue both of us were talking about really just boils down to "damn kids, get off my lawn." Hell, I'm only 26 myself, but this is my authentic 5-digit ID. I like to think I grew out of the b.s. a long time ago.. plus, I never liked 'swordfish'.
So, how long, then, until we see the govt "encouraging" Google to get out of China for national security reasons?
Linux, particularly the GNU/FSF types, tend to be more ideologically motivated, I find, and I think most of the hate against Free/Net/Open BSD is hate against the BSD license because it doesn't fit into their framework of how the world should be. They're the ones that are going to be on about "software freedom" and all that, rather than "this works, let's use it."
Case in point, I mentioned above that I actually paid money for a commercial X server about 11 years ago. If BSDi BSD/OS hadn't been $1000, I'd probably have bought the "commercial" BSD, too. However, FreeBSD tended to get most of the worth while improvements rolled back from BSDi, and it only cost me like $30 to order it on CD-ROM (the dark days of dial-up and all that). My current company uses FreeBSD as the basis of our product to avoid GPL issues, as does Juniper and others. The FSF-types, of course, aren't going to be down with that and look at it as "theft" (never mind the fact that I know my company, and possibly Juniper as well, have committers on the pay roll) or something.
I think it has to do with the fact that Linux is more readily obtained and there has been a concerted effort to recruits new users. Its sort of like the Mormon Unix, in a way. What this means in practicality is that there is a large portion of the user base that has the "zeal of the convert" -- I'm not going to say that I didn't feel that way when I was 12/13/14 years old and was first starting out, but it's a real thing. As Theo once said, 'bsd is for people who love unix; linux is for people who hate microsoft.' That's kind of a classic troll, but its kind of true, too, to an extent.
I think that the type of people who are into BSD are generally older, have more experience in the industry, and are less ideologically driven in their OS choice than say, high school kids who saw pretty screen shots carefully crafted to look like something out of 'swordfish' or 'the matrix' an want to be 'l33t'. That's not to say that there aren't a lot of professional, neutral-minded Linux people, but then that's going to be the difference between the RHEL/CentOS-type of users and say, Mint (which I've tried and used before and I don't hate it, but let's face it -- we're not putting that on a production server any time soon).
BSD and Linux have their places, as do Windows and MacOSX. I (obviously) prefer BSD to Linux (though I've worked as an admin on a CentOS farm before), and Mac to Windows (though I didn't really have any problems with Vista 64 Ultimate as a desktop OS, just the command line was still for crap), but I can use the other and often do, and I'm at a point in my life where just getting the work done with the minimum headache is more important than what tool i use to get it done. From what I know of Linus, he seems to be of similar mind, too.
I used to use XiG Acclerated X Linux binaries on top of the linux abi on FreeBSD 3.3 back in the day, because the Voodoo3 drivers were better than the 'native' ones for XFree86 where at the time. I wouldn't try sticking network drivers or anything in, but I'm not really a kernel expert. There is an ndiswrapper-type thing for FreeBSD/PC-BSD if you need that for wifi, though.
They had to. It won't run on some lame-ass 4th most powerful supercomputer in the world. It requires at least the third most powerful.
I know plenty about it, and its not complaining at me, I just refuse to use the command. Never have, never will, not going to change.
:w! :q /usr/local/etc/sudoers without using bitch-ass visudo (still must be root, or `sudo vi`, but that should be self-evident).
the sure-fire way to edit
The good side is on the inside of my firewall. Everyone else is potentially the enemy. Frankly, a situation which legitimized punitive retaliation against the attackers I have to fend off would be OK by me, no matter where they were located.
me too!
I know! Britain has *just as much* freedom of speech as China does!
There is a difference between "extremely difficult" (no phone) and "starving to death" (no food). And the reason cellular networks have the most penetration there is because its easier and cheaper to plop a cell tower than it is to wire the countryside with copper. I know its not all starvation and huts in the third world, but that's not the point. The point is, you're not going to die without a cell phone for a few days (ability to call 911 aside) whereas you are pretty much guaranteed death without food.
Let's face it -- Google's not pulling out of China because the market is too big and China's not going to back down on filtering. The way I see this playing out is a deal where Google is allowed to operate unfiltered on their end, however the Chinese government places in-line content filters down stream from Google, between their network and the rest of country. This way the content still gets blocked, but Google can say "its not our fault."
They did that in the town where I grew up. Three other grocery stores went under within 6 months, and then once most of the competition was removed, the quality of the produce at the wal-mart went down because they didn't need to put a show on anymore. A bunch of small, independent shops of various sorts went under, too. I boycotted the new walmart for the first 4 years after it opened. I fucking hate that place. I'd rather drive farther and pay more than go to walmart if I can at all help it, but then I can usually afford to do so.
Everyone **needs** food. As strange as it may sound to people here, computers and telecommunications really are a luxury and we did just fine without either for most of our history. Source code is only even directly useful to a relative handful of people who use computers and I really don't think that you can compare the two, at least not in any meaningful way.
IIRC, there is a python on the cover of 'Programming Python.' I don't know why they picked a mouse for this, maybe because it was less confusing than picking a second kind of snake? The cover of 'Programming Perl' is, famously, the camel, however the language isn't called camel, so when they put the llama, alpaca and vicuna on 'learning perl', 'intermediate perl', and 'mastering perl' respectively, it was obvious they were related but don't cause any clash due to naming. What does the sheep on 'Perl Cookbook' have to do with anything?
no, but i climb through an SSH tunnel and kill -9 zombie procs on the regular. that's the same thing, right?