There are areas in the US where they don't apply as well... but also plenty of areas where they do apply.
If you don't mind my asking, what part of the country are you in?
I've definitely seen some expensive housing markets, and some (relatively) inexpensive ones as well. Unfortunately, the inexpensive ones have all been in areas where the demand for software developers is rather low.
Particularly since most U.S. science graduate programs in my experience waive their students' tuition, and pay a small stipend, in exchange for their working as teaching or research assistants.
That doesn't exactly help undergrads, who certainly outnumber grad students.
It's not a lot of money to live on, but my wife and I lived comfortably enough on our graduate stipends in Chicago for five years.
Hmm... just out of curiosity, what school was that?
At quality state schools, out-of-staters are going to be paying as much as many private schools for tuition.
I'm an out-of-stater paying about 16k each year. I also could have gone to a school in my home state for about the same price.
And this is a state school that's known for being a "bargain".
Is it listed as a bargain for out-of-staters or in-staters? Most lists I've seen assume in-state tuition.
by what arbitrary standard is it uncool or unproductive for a scientist to want a good paying science job?
When money is his primary motivation for becoming an engineer/scientist.
As was said before, I study to become an engineer because I find the field interesting; if I only wanted money, I'd sell real estate.
Enough with the strawmen. If you can't respond to what I said in my post, then put this as a reply to some other comment.
Apparently you equate the lack of a welfare state with oppression. Very sad.:-(
Actually, it would be far more acurate to say that I equate the lack of decent working conditions with oppression.
How is not giving someone a handout "screwing them over"?
If you think a fair wage is equivalent to a handout, I think you deserve to work twelve hours per day, six days each week for a dollar an hour.
I've put in fourteen-hour days in what I imagine are worse working conditions than you've ever had (it was fairly routine for people to pass out from heat exhaustion), for about $3.50 an hour. I'd say that not making people work like this for a living is not giving them "handouts."
A friend of mine (also Chicago area, as it happens) has a similar story with spending a week hospitalized for several anxiety-related disorders. The insurance company refused to sell any policy to his family after the event because of fear that they might have to (GASP!) provide the service they sell. They even tried to cut off payments in the middle of his time in the hospital.
I've met a lot of bright nerds ready to break free of it.
On a similar note, I've met lots of really stupid people who did well in school because they could parrot back whatever the teacher told them.
Historically, immigrants have come to the US for two reasons: repression (usually religious) or opportunity.
Mmhmm. How does this conflict with the statement, "the more brutal and socially irresponsible the US appears, the less attractive it is to many immigrants"?
In neither case are these people very interested in a safety net.
You mean immigrants don't mind getting completely screwed over by those already in power?
It can't be a right, because it is a demand that infringes the liberty of other people.
Then there probably are no rights. Let's start with the classic, "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
Given your posts, the idea that you must be allowed to live probably violates some slashdotters' freedom. These hypothetical slashdotters want to kill you, and saying that they cannot "infringes [on] the liberty of other people."
Next is liberty. There are situations where there are two people who cannot both do what they want. For example, if we both want to eat that chocolate-chip cookie over there, neither one of us has the right to do so because it would be a limitation on the other's liberty.
Last, we have pursuit of happiness. Things which make one person happy do not make all other people happy; again, conflicts occur. Let's go back to those hypothetical slashdotters whom you have angered. Killing you makes it very hard for you to do what you want, although it is an important element in the pursuit of their own happiness.
Can you name some things you would say are rights?
You've obviously never heard of abstainence only sex education.
He said, "Anything that serves to inform is good." Abstinence-only "education" isn't about informing students -- it's generally about misinforming them. That's what we need to watch for in this "copyright-ed" issue.
Great way to make yourself sound smart....
As nice as it might be to relocate to Canada, I am intelligent enough to realize that I don't have enough money to do so. I find that it's very easy to tell somebody to do something drastic when you aren't involved at all in any of the cost.
On a similar note, if you go shoot yourself in the face, you won't have to listen to people whine anymore. I am not, however, callous enough to suggest that you do this. Then again, after this post, I bet I could go find three or four people who are.
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There are areas in the US where they don't apply as well... but also plenty of areas where they do apply.
If you don't mind my asking, what part of the country are you in?
I've definitely seen some expensive housing markets, and some (relatively) inexpensive ones as well. Unfortunately, the inexpensive ones have all been in areas where the demand for software developers is rather low.
Particularly since most U.S. science graduate programs in my experience waive their students' tuition, and pay a small stipend, in exchange for their working as teaching or research assistants.
That doesn't exactly help undergrads, who certainly outnumber grad students.
It's not a lot of money to live on, but my wife and I lived comfortably enough on our graduate stipends in Chicago for five years.
Hmm... just out of curiosity, what school was that?
At quality state schools, out-of-staters are going to be paying as much as many private schools for tuition.
I'm an out-of-stater paying about 16k each year. I also could have gone to a school in my home state for about the same price.
And this is a state school that's known for being a "bargain".
Is it listed as a bargain for out-of-staters or in-staters? Most lists I've seen assume in-state tuition.
by what arbitrary standard is it uncool or unproductive for a scientist to want a good paying science job?
When money is his primary motivation for becoming an engineer/scientist.
As was said before, I study to become an engineer because I find the field interesting; if I only wanted money, I'd sell real estate.
Also compare the interest you could be paying by buying now with the interest you could be earning by saving up for it.
You, as well as the AC next to you, appear to have skipped over the word, "against."
Pretty much all the discussion I participate in has more to do with society than technology. I generally skip over those "circlejerks."
Every "science fair" I've ever heard of required projects to be experimentation meant to test a hypothesis. How does ID hold up to that?
Enough with the strawmen. If you can't respond to what I said in my post, then put this as a reply to some other comment.
:-(
Apparently you equate the lack of a welfare state with oppression. Very sad.
Actually, it would be far more acurate to say that I equate the lack of decent working conditions with oppression.
How is not giving someone a handout "screwing them over"?
If you think a fair wage is equivalent to a handout, I think you deserve to work twelve hours per day, six days each week for a dollar an hour.
I've put in fourteen-hour days in what I imagine are worse working conditions than you've ever had (it was fairly routine for people to pass out from heat exhaustion), for about $3.50 an hour. I'd say that not making people work like this for a living is not giving them "handouts."
Do you think open arms wouldn't encourage them to come?
If you're going to use the USSR as an example of Marxism, I'm going to use the Democratic Republic of Congo as an example of democracy.
The point is to encourage people to own homes. I'm not going to say whether or not it's working.
A friend of mine (also Chicago area, as it happens) has a similar story with spending a week hospitalized for several anxiety-related disorders. The insurance company refused to sell any policy to his family after the event because of fear that they might have to (GASP!) provide the service they sell. They even tried to cut off payments in the middle of his time in the hospital.
I've met a lot of bright nerds ready to break free of it.
On a similar note, I've met lots of really stupid people who did well in school because they could parrot back whatever the teacher told them.
Historically, immigrants have come to the US for two reasons: repression (usually religious) or opportunity.
Mmhmm. How does this conflict with the statement, "the more brutal and socially irresponsible the US appears, the less attractive it is to many immigrants"?
In neither case are these people very interested in a safety net.
You mean immigrants don't mind getting completely screwed over by those already in power?
It can't be a right, because it is a demand that infringes the liberty of other people.
Then there probably are no rights. Let's start with the classic, "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
Given your posts, the idea that you must be allowed to live probably violates some slashdotters' freedom. These hypothetical slashdotters want to kill you, and saying that they cannot "infringes [on] the liberty of other people."
Next is liberty. There are situations where there are two people who cannot both do what they want. For example, if we both want to eat that chocolate-chip cookie over there, neither one of us has the right to do so because it would be a limitation on the other's liberty.
Last, we have pursuit of happiness. Things which make one person happy do not make all other people happy; again, conflicts occur. Let's go back to those hypothetical slashdotters whom you have angered. Killing you makes it very hard for you to do what you want, although it is an important element in the pursuit of their own happiness.
Can you name some things you would say are rights?
To what extent should law enforce moral ideas?
Now get out of the suburbs and try that on a cop in, say... Chicago, or Detroit, or D.C. Those are NOT cushy jobs to use as a reward for someone.
The fact that people have been infected by AIDS vaccines
Calm down. You'll get your turn to moderate, and then you can do your part to rid the world of jokes that don't make you laugh.
You've obviously never heard of abstainence only sex education.
He said, "Anything that serves to inform is good." Abstinence-only "education" isn't about informing students -- it's generally about misinforming them. That's what we need to watch for in this "copyright-ed" issue.
I'd say inclination to race cars is a bad thing to measure. Try just looking at changes in driving habits.
No guarantees that they would pay him what he's worth.
think about what other big park?
All I can think of is Six Flags.
Great way to make yourself sound smart....
As nice as it might be to relocate to Canada, I am intelligent enough to realize that I don't have enough money to do so. I find that it's very easy to tell somebody to do something drastic when you aren't involved at all in any of the cost.
On a similar note, if you go shoot yourself in the face, you won't have to listen to people whine anymore. I am not, however, callous enough to suggest that you do this. Then again, after this post, I bet I could go find three or four people who are.