France Telecom, Orange, Dutchtone, whatever it's named.. I have a Dutchtone phone myself, and found myself very irritated when Dutchtone appeared to block incoming messages from www.mtnsms.com, and several other free sites. Is that what I pay my monthly subscription for? Oh no, that's supposed to be for the calls I *make*.. Goddamn! Why can't any telecom company in Europe understand that the customer wants the flat fee model? I don't want to pay for every call, message or whatever I send or receive. Fuck off with your business models! I already feel like I'm an object to press money out of, and I'm not the only one. Protests don't work, and the lone providers who *are* good tend to switch to the Orange model as well - just again, because of the money...
When do these companies learn that I just don't want to spend more than, say $20 per month on my phone? I am not going to use WAP if that's going to cost more. Or I-Mode (whatever it is) or all those lame expensive services. I love to improve my life with better technology, but this is something else. To misquote their advertisements: the only thing that's easy to understand about telecom is that they want all my money.
I'm not being cynical - I was looking especially for the spoilers, since I haven't ever seen those celebrity Weakest Link shows on TV in my country.. (insert default curse about USA-mindedness of Slashdot here)
Thanks!
Is Conectiva going to let you spend all your time to the 2.4 kernel?
I read that you live in the same house as Rik van Riel, who wrote the first Linux 2.4 VM and who also works for Conectiva. Rik wrote in his not-that-very-often updated diary that he travelled a lot in Brazil, to help customers anywhere. That takes a lot of time. Is your job going to be different once Alan Cox passes the maintainership?
This is the ananova writeup..
President Bush will surely wish you a good night and tell you that he was right after all. None less than that. Of course stay alert, but also keep an eye on your beloved president:P
I feel sorry for all victims and all security people. Lots of internet news sites (at least here in The Netherlands) are DDoSed *again*. Has anything changed since two months ago?
(biting the troll) Your perspective is not mine. I don't live in the USA and I don't feel involved in any "WAR" at all. Your comment comes up in all Slashdot stories and I do *not* find it funny. I don't have any respect for terrorists, but I don't have respect for your war either. I think it's kind of pointless to bomb a country and then gather money to rescue those innocent inhabitants. Why does everyone have to think like Yankees? Go troll somewhere else and let me live my own life.
Sigh. Surely off-topic, but I felt I had to write this..
Another conference that will be held soon (on November 8) is the Dutch NLUUG autumn conference 2001 (in Dutch). This year, the theme is "Unix and the desktop", with speakers on general GNOME, KDE, KOffice and security topics, and Jordan Hubbard! (probably about Mac OS X:))
Wietse Venema (known from the famous tcp wrappers) stale the show last year. I will certainly be there again this time:)
I have Discovery on CD since it came out, it is really great (I like Superheroes best).. The album includes the "Daft Card" with an unique ID. If you enter it on the Daft Club, you can download and play (no streaming) about ten extra tracks in a Windows-only proprietary format (InterTrust's.saf).
The only bad thing about the Daft Club (besides that InterTrust is ugly) is that that's all. Does anyone know a good news site on Daft Punk? Something more than a discography? Live gigs? Bootlegs? Links to interviews? I think it's a shame that www.daftpunk.com just refers to the Daft Club.
The only thing this kind of articles is good for, is generating flames. Is anyone interested in the conclusion that Linux lost the desktop? Would it have any impact on what we do every day? Even if George Bush said it? Well, I use Linux on my desktop and I don't care what anyone thinks about that. I'm grateful for all the work that has been done on Linux' desktop. I am very glad with it and I mean it.
I think this Wired article was wasted time. Thank you.
This is not a distribution bug, but a kernel one. From the article: "In order to exploit this kernel vulnerability, one needs a setuid root binary which execs an user-defined binary (or a shell). Newgrp is appropriate on most distributions." There are other programs that match this description. It doesn't make sense to make only newgrp non-suid and then think that you're safe.
By the way, does anyone know in what kernel version (-pre,-ac) *exactly* the bug is fixed? I can't find relevant "ptrace" fixes or Rafal Wojtczuk's name anywhere in the changelogs.. I guess I should run the exploit to find out whether I'm vulnerable.. (another good example that full disclosure is useful..)
Ahhh, this is too easy. To me, this posting is really a "Look ma! I'll say Linux is the best. Now moderate me up!" troll. You have some points, though. But Windows CE 3.0 isn't that bad at all and Palm has absolutely a serious contender on that one. And what is that "KDE Embedded" that you're talking about? Google found one "kde-embedded" mailinglist for me, but kde.org mentions it nowhere - it looks like it's only about recompiling KDE apps for Qt/Embedded (so you don't need X).
I would be pleased if your scenario came true, for sure if it became mainstream. But do you think that's what Palm bought BeOS for?
The ALSA Project is really cool. I have a nameless Aztech 2320-based sound card. Last time I checked, the only available Windows drivers where for 95 and NT. Lots of bugs in there, too, and it couldn't record via the line-in without a lot of hiss. The default Linux kernel recognizes the azt2320 card, but can't play music through it. But ALSA works! Unlike in Windows, I can now adjust *all* volume controls, line-in recordings are pretty clean and even midi works fine. The joystick too, but you don't need alsa for the game port of course:)
Actually, the Linux kernel with ALSA might support many older cards better than the current Windows drivers. Some features for the Soundblaster Live! and a few more high-end cards are still underway, though..
Many people know the handle "Aleph1" because he wrote the famous article Smashing The Stack For Fun And Profit under that nickname. That article explains very well how to exploit buffer overflows.
I don't know any damn thing about television in America. Never been there:) I'm Dutch. Our television broadcasting system works like this: even for our small nation, first off there are three national stations which broadcast hundreds of programs each week, issued by about ten different non-commercial broadcasting organisations (most of them stem from a religious background that has disappeared in nearly every one of them). Secondly, we have about seven commercial Dutch stations and at last we have a flood of random half-local shit like NGC, Cartoon Network, MTV etc.. The Netherlands have sixteen million inhabitants, so the television market is really overcrowded. (Btw, what I *do* know about American television are your fucking dumb comedies, talk shows and action series that our TV stations tend to repeat on, and on, and on and on. We subtitle those. I think dubbing sucks.)
Okay, now my point: journalism is human work. There will always be fluff, factual errors, scandals, fake news. Whether you report news on TV or on the Internet, does that matter? What counts IMHO is your reputation. I tend to remember news blunders. In general, Dutch commercial stations have news fast but they are not very reliable. Most people (about 60%) watch the "national" stations. However, the "national" stations are getting money (not "controlled", but indeed paid) based on the viewing statistics (I forgot the word for that), which is in turn why national news brings more "popular" news lately. Like I'm interested in that Wenn trash.
So, what did I watch on Sept. 11? The BBC..
Wow, this really *is* an insightful comment. Thanks, you made at least me think about this.
Fans of closed source might take your comment as an attack on open source, but I think many closed source programs suffer some of the problems you name too (for example, lack of documentation). Still, you really have a point. Security audits, documentation, user interface consistency checks, timely testing features that might have been broken, centralization and management are things that are essential for end-users, who want to trust their programs. But few people do these things in the open-source community, at least AFAIK. It is difficult work, responsible work, sometimes even boring. We really need these people who dare to stretch their heads above the crowd.
(Hmm, now hear me.. For a moment I thought managers could be useful!;))
I totally agree. Why pay $1000 for something that my cheaper linux box does better anyway?:) Ok, a phone is a new device to do this.. Ten years from now, a phone radio will cost $5 and we will wonder that someone ever did without..
One thing that will probably stay over those ten years though: most radio sucks..:)
The Alan Cox series (latest is 2.4.10-ac11) works fine here. I'm currently running 2.4.9-ac18 from a week ago. Here's how to get it. I use gcc 2.95.4 under Debian - as far as I know it was not yet recommended to compile the kernel with 3.0+, but it might work.
Hey, Linus is only taking the responsibility for not having reviewed one of the incoming patches good enough. Having bugs in the current stage of the kernel is understandable - Linus' 2.4.10 and 2.4.11 kernels contain a brand new VM that already needs a lot of his care. What I do: I run Alan Cox' kernel series.
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Sorry, I was having fun in the meantime - I will try not to react angry, though you don't seem to get my point. My definition of a monopoly must be something else than yours. In my book, Microsoft's monopoly is obvious (spelled "D-O-H"). You seem to be more subtle and I should have respect for that. I would like to be in your situation; I already am happily using Linux and BSD. Now if only Microsoft didn't exist..;)
That's why I would want not Microsoft to make such a "bundle", but some other company. I agree with you: bundling a browser adds value indeed. But Mozilla, or Opera, still are choices. I think it is a pity that Microsoft has used IE for its own standards (activex, document.all) and that these now seem "standard" too - I like an independent web more. But that's another discussion.
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Would Coca Cola sue the New York Times because they run an advert for Pepsi? This kind of bundling is understandable indeed. I think it would be quite nice for the Windows platform. By the way, as far as I know, Mandrake and RedHat ship both desktops and databases: you HAVE the choice.
Oh come on. You know what I mean. If Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly, I encourage you to make a living of a random piece of closed-source software for a non-Microsoft OS. Have luck.
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France Telecom, Orange, Dutchtone, whatever it's named.. I have a Dutchtone phone myself, and found myself very irritated when Dutchtone appeared to block incoming messages from www.mtnsms.com, and several other free sites. Is that what I pay my monthly subscription for? Oh no, that's supposed to be for the calls I *make*.. Goddamn! Why can't any telecom company in Europe understand that the customer wants the flat fee model? I don't want to pay for every call, message or whatever I send or receive. Fuck off with your business models! I already feel like I'm an object to press money out of, and I'm not the only one. Protests don't work, and the lone providers who *are* good tend to switch to the Orange model as well - just again, because of the money...
When do these companies learn that I just don't want to spend more than, say $20 per month on my phone? I am not going to use WAP if that's going to cost more. Or I-Mode (whatever it is) or all those lame expensive services. I love to improve my life with better technology, but this is something else. To misquote their advertisements: the only thing that's easy to understand about telecom is that they want all my money.
As far as I know, Tim Berners-Lee created the WWW at the CERN institute in Switzerland. Now fuck off.
What the heck are "free thinking" radio programs? It sounds like I should be happy that I don't know about it.
I'm not being cynical - I was looking especially for the spoilers, since I haven't ever seen those celebrity Weakest Link shows on TV in my country.. (insert default curse about USA-mindedness of Slashdot here)
Thanks!
Is Conectiva going to let you spend all your time to the 2.4 kernel?
I read that you live in the same house as Rik van Riel, who wrote the first Linux 2.4 VM and who also works for Conectiva. Rik wrote in his not-that-very-often updated diary that he travelled a lot in Brazil, to help customers anywhere. That takes a lot of time. Is your job going to be different once Alan Cox passes the maintainership?
This is the ananova writeup.. :P
President Bush will surely wish you a good night and tell you that he was right after all. None less than that. Of course stay alert, but also keep an eye on your beloved president
I feel sorry for all victims and all security people. Lots of internet news sites (at least here in The Netherlands) are DDoSed *again*. Has anything changed since two months ago?
(biting the troll) Your perspective is not mine. I don't live in the USA and I don't feel involved in any "WAR" at all. Your comment comes up in all Slashdot stories and I do *not* find it funny. I don't have any respect for terrorists, but I don't have respect for your war either. I think it's kind of pointless to bomb a country and then gather money to rescue those innocent inhabitants. Why does everyone have to think like Yankees? Go troll somewhere else and let me live my own life.
Sigh. Surely off-topic, but I felt I had to write this..
The -ac tree has ext3 support patched in by default, since 2.4.7.
Another conference that will be held soon (on November 8) is the Dutch NLUUG autumn conference 2001 (in Dutch). This year, the theme is "Unix and the desktop", with speakers on general GNOME, KDE, KOffice and security topics, and Jordan Hubbard! (probably about Mac OS X :))
:)
Wietse Venema (known from the famous tcp wrappers) stale the show last year. I will certainly be there again this time
I have Discovery on CD since it came out, it is really great (I like Superheroes best).. The album includes the "Daft Card" with an unique ID. If you enter it on the Daft Club, you can download and play (no streaming) about ten extra tracks in a Windows-only proprietary format (InterTrust's .saf).
The only bad thing about the Daft Club (besides that InterTrust is ugly) is that that's all. Does anyone know a good news site on Daft Punk? Something more than a discography? Live gigs? Bootlegs? Links to interviews? I think it's a shame that www.daftpunk.com just refers to the Daft Club.
The only thing this kind of articles is good for, is generating flames. Is anyone interested in the conclusion that Linux lost the desktop? Would it have any impact on what we do every day? Even if George Bush said it? Well, I use Linux on my desktop and I don't care what anyone thinks about that. I'm grateful for all the work that has been done on Linux' desktop. I am very glad with it and I mean it.
I think this Wired article was wasted time. Thank you.
This is not a distribution bug, but a kernel one. From the article: "In order to exploit this kernel vulnerability, one needs a setuid root binary which execs an user-defined binary (or a shell). Newgrp is appropriate on most distributions." There are other programs that match this description. It doesn't make sense to make only newgrp non-suid and then think that you're safe.
By the way, does anyone know in what kernel version (-pre,-ac) *exactly* the bug is fixed? I can't find relevant "ptrace" fixes or Rafal Wojtczuk's name anywhere in the changelogs.. I guess I should run the exploit to find out whether I'm vulnerable.. (another good example that full disclosure is useful..)
Ahhh, this is too easy. To me, this posting is really a "Look ma! I'll say Linux is the best. Now moderate me up!" troll. You have some points, though. But Windows CE 3.0 isn't that bad at all and Palm has absolutely a serious contender on that one. And what is that "KDE Embedded" that you're talking about? Google found one "kde-embedded" mailinglist for me, but kde.org mentions it nowhere - it looks like it's only about recompiling KDE apps for Qt/Embedded (so you don't need X).
I would be pleased if your scenario came true, for sure if it became mainstream. But do you think that's what Palm bought BeOS for?
The ALSA Project is really cool. I have a nameless Aztech 2320-based sound card. Last time I checked, the only available Windows drivers where for 95 and NT. Lots of bugs in there, too, and it couldn't record via the line-in without a lot of hiss. The default Linux kernel recognizes the azt2320 card, but can't play music through it. But ALSA works! Unlike in Windows, I can now adjust *all* volume controls, line-in recordings are pretty clean and even midi works fine. The joystick too, but you don't need alsa for the game port of course :)
Actually, the Linux kernel with ALSA might support many older cards better than the current Windows drivers. Some features for the Soundblaster Live! and a few more high-end cards are still underway, though..
Many people know the handle "Aleph1" because he wrote the famous article Smashing The Stack For Fun And Profit under that nickname. That article explains very well how to exploit buffer overflows.
I don't know any damn thing about television in America. Never been there :) I'm Dutch. Our television broadcasting system works like this: even for our small nation, first off there are three national stations which broadcast hundreds of programs each week, issued by about ten different non-commercial broadcasting organisations (most of them stem from a religious background that has disappeared in nearly every one of them). Secondly, we have about seven commercial Dutch stations and at last we have a flood of random half-local shit like NGC, Cartoon Network, MTV etc.. The Netherlands have sixteen million inhabitants, so the television market is really overcrowded. (Btw, what I *do* know about American television are your fucking dumb comedies, talk shows and action series that our TV stations tend to repeat on, and on, and on and on. We subtitle those. I think dubbing sucks.)
Okay, now my point: journalism is human work. There will always be fluff, factual errors, scandals, fake news. Whether you report news on TV or on the Internet, does that matter? What counts IMHO is your reputation. I tend to remember news blunders. In general, Dutch commercial stations have news fast but they are not very reliable. Most people (about 60%) watch the "national" stations. However, the "national" stations are getting money (not "controlled", but indeed paid) based on the viewing statistics (I forgot the word for that), which is in turn why national news brings more "popular" news lately. Like I'm interested in that Wenn trash.
So, what did I watch on Sept. 11? The BBC..
Wow, this really *is* an insightful comment. Thanks, you made at least me think about this.
;))
Fans of closed source might take your comment as an attack on open source, but I think many closed source programs suffer some of the problems you name too (for example, lack of documentation). Still, you really have a point. Security audits, documentation, user interface consistency checks, timely testing features that might have been broken, centralization and management are things that are essential for end-users, who want to trust their programs. But few people do these things in the open-source community, at least AFAIK. It is difficult work, responsible work, sometimes even boring. We really need these people who dare to stretch their heads above the crowd.
(Hmm, now hear me.. For a moment I thought managers could be useful!
I totally agree. Why pay $1000 for something that my cheaper linux box does better anyway? :) Ok, a phone is a new device to do this.. Ten years from now, a phone radio will cost $5 and we will wonder that someone ever did without..
:)
One thing that will probably stay over those ten years though: most radio sucks..
The Alan Cox series (latest is 2.4.10-ac11) works fine here. I'm currently running 2.4.9-ac18 from a week ago. Here's how to get it. I use gcc 2.95.4 under Debian - as far as I know it was not yet recommended to compile the kernel with 3.0+, but it might work.
Hey, Linus is only taking the responsibility for not having reviewed one of the incoming patches good enough. Having bugs in the current stage of the kernel is understandable - Linus' 2.4.10 and 2.4.11 kernels contain a brand new VM that already needs a lot of his care. What I do: I run Alan Cox' kernel series.
(first version of this reply deleted) ;)
Sorry, I was having fun in the meantime - I will try not to react angry, though you don't seem to get my point. My definition of a monopoly must be something else than yours. In my book, Microsoft's monopoly is obvious (spelled "D-O-H"). You seem to be more subtle and I should have respect for that. I would like to be in your situation; I already am happily using Linux and BSD. Now if only Microsoft didn't exist..
I still don't think those hundreds of folks will agree with your statement that Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly.
Thanks for wasting my time anyway.
That's why I would want not Microsoft to make such a "bundle", but some other company. I agree with you: bundling a browser adds value indeed. But Mozilla, or Opera, still are choices. I think it is a pity that Microsoft has used IE for its own standards (activex, document.all) and that these now seem "standard" too - I like an independent web more. But that's another discussion.
Would Coca Cola sue the New York Times because they run an advert for Pepsi? This kind of bundling is understandable indeed. I think it would be quite nice for the Windows platform. By the way, as far as I know, Mandrake and RedHat ship both desktops and databases: you HAVE the choice.
Oh come on. You know what I mean. If Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly, I encourage you to make a living of a random piece of closed-source software for a non-Microsoft OS. Have luck.