Who would buy a FreeBSD kernel without the ports collection? You're putting my statement to an extreme. Microsoft is misusing its market share to get its own applications everywhere "for free". Of course bundling should be possible, just like Linux distributions. But Microsoft doesn't allow that either. (Ever seen an official cd-set with Windows XP, Excel, WordPerfect, Adobe Acrobat and CorelDraw? Hmmm.) Reading mail is a common daily task. Microsoft throws Outlook on your harddisk for that. Why not first have choice? My grandmother might like Eudora better, but currently she won't even know that it exists.
No, the bundling is exactly my point. Defrag would not be my preferred example; I do not consider defrag "added value" - it just should be part of the base install. (Imagine Linux without fsck..) My point is that the average joe should have, nicely pointy-clicky, a CHOICE. Would Joe be interested in something like Passport? Of course not. But he has to sign up before he can actually do anything. Now is that user-friendly?
You ask, would I want to remove Paint from the base install? For sure. Joe does not need Paint Shop Pro. Joe might not need The Gimp. But exactly Paint is the reason, why everyone has stopped making light drawing programs. Just remember the DOS age: that's how it should have been. Paint was included (and possible not even changed) since Windows 1.0 - it was one of the reasons why people were expected to choose graphics above a console shell.
I hope this gives you some insight: Microsoft could play fair, and Joe could be happy, at the same time. I will never forbid anyone to run only Microsoft programs. But the price should be fair.
(I freely admit it's a bit strange to defend commercial developers while I like open source most myself.. Of course I hope more people will see the light. Of course I hope, and I think that commercial developers won't die. Microsoft's standardization has done many good, but it has really slowed down new inventions too. If I have to choose between one boss and several bosses, the latter case might cost some overhead but it will give me more freedom.)
Why a fine? Solve the problem please!
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Microsoft can easily buy a small country. A fine doesn't help Microsofts victims, doesn't help end users, doesn't fix any lawsuit. Microsoft will laugh its ass off. Those Europeans! (I'm Dutch myself..)
Why not tackle the problem itself? Microsoft is bundling its software to force competition out of the market. Why not force Microsoft to leave IE, Media Player, video editing software, hell even Minesweeper out of the default Windows package? (How much cheaper would it become?:)
There's the application barrier. Force it down! It should be possible to run Win32-applications in a legal way under any operating system. Yes, games too - DirectX should be opened or ported too.
Last but not least, Microsoft should cooperate with developers who struggle with Microsoft Word (or in general, OLE2) import/export filters and other proprietary Microsoft formats (NTFS, WMA, name it..)
If you think that I am radical, you probably don't have an idea of Microsofts power, budgets and market share. Microsoft is of course not evil itself. Their software looks and works actually pretty good, except for their obvious brain damage in security. Their management, their strategy and their habits of misusing their monopoly need a hard kick.
Damn, overseen one more thing in previewing: Alan Cox' 2.4.10-pre series still includes Rik's VM. So you can choose: if you want Riks VM, use Linus' tree. For Andrea's VM, use Alan's tree. I only run 2.4.9-ac18 because that one was out when I needed it. I could have been running 2.4.10-ac10 now too, but there have been little important fixes since. Bugtraq reported a bug in the netfilter code, so if I've got to recompile anyway, I'm waiting for that one to be fixed properly:)
Just like the majority of you readers, I am not a kernel developer. But I like to know what I'm running. My conclusion is that if you want a stable kernel, ignore Linus' tree and use the Alan Cox tree. To say it blunt, 2.4.10+ really is 2.5, and you should only run it if you are prepared for some weird behaviour.
Now am I a troll? Hope not. I did get my info out of Kernel Traffic, which I've been reading for months. It is a very good, understandable and clear compression of all important things that happen on the linux kernel mailinglist. If you use Slashdot as your only information portal about the kernel, you are *braindead*.
Ok, now my point - it is the VM subsystem. By now you should know that 2.4.x, until recently 2.4.10, used the VM code by Rik van Riel. That code has taken some time to develop, but you definitely can't blame Rik as the cause for all 2.4 stability problems, as well as the eternal delay of 2.5. But according to the l-k list, Linus himself made several errors in including Rik's patches, which indeed caused 2.4.7 and up to be unstable! Ok, now stop and think about this. Linus has an enormous responsibility. He didn't realize where the fault was, but he did perceive that the stable kernels were NOT stable. He knew that Andrea Arcangeli was still working on his own VM (that work improved Rik's VM too in 2.3. Not having a monopoly really does improve invention!) Then Linus made the big step: even in a *stable* series, he took over Andrea's VM and threw out Rik's one. This is really an important decision, and I applaud it!
The only thing Linus should not have done, is labeling this thing 2.4.10. It really is 2.5. For the big public, that kernel was definitely everything but a stable kernel. Luckily a lot of problems have been solved since (2.4.11 is a hell of a lot better than 2.4.10), and I consider Andrea Arcangeli really a good coder, but actually I trust Alan Cox most. He commented that Linus' recent kernels trashed several boxes of his overnight. Alan really sees the -ac tree as the stable one currently. I run 2.4.9-ac18 too, with the kernel preemption patch as mentioned earlier, on a p2-233 with quite some load, and it doesn't show any strange behaviour. (The kernel preemption patch doesn't do really much here: I still get skips when I record an mp3 from my soundcard and switch desktops in the meantime. But I should not expect wonders:))
One last thing: Rik van Riel's VM has improved *too*. Alan Cox catches up with his patches very speedily. No more big bugs; Rik even added some optimizations in 2.4.9-ac16. I can't see that of course, but overall the system is a lot more responsive than 2.4.3-pre6, my last kernel before this one.
So my advice: use the ac-series of the kernel. Linus has made some wise decisions. I think he should start 2.5 and leave 2.4 to Alan, before people go sulking about 2.4.10 versus the always-stable reputation of the Linux kernel.
True. (C# is even another story, though.) This was a lame attempt to compress the (imho) revolutionary parts into one single comment. I'm interested in those core web services and a comparison with Java. Microsoft is especially proud on XML and SOAP. I can only hope they adhere to standards..;) Btw, of course Java wasn't the first with everything, but most of what I know about.NET is just a recycle of existing ideas, in particular some of Java. Maybe I might not have understood the really new things?:)
Recently I watched a presentation by Microsoft about.NET. Like most Slashdot-readers, I'm probably very Unix-biased, and I actually found.NET very interesting. The hardest thing to explain is what it actually is. There is plenty of documentation already available, you really don't have to ask Doug this.
To answer your question in short - please correct me if i'm wrong - Corel is currently building the Intermediate Language (IL) "virtual machine" which allows IL-bytecode to run on Linux. You read it correctly, bytecode. Visual Studio.NET will be able to compile languages like C#, Eiffel.NET and possibly - though Sun won't like it - Java.NET to IL bytecode. Imagine that you download Word.NET on your Linux box. The IL virtual machine first recompiles bytecode to "native" Linux code with calls to its own win32 libraries. This only happens once: the compilation will take long (the MS presentation had a Hello World compiling in 20 seconds) but you'll keep the native executable on disk.
I should tell much more, but I refer to more official documentation. In the meantime, I hope you get the idea: it won't be a problem to run.NET-applications on Linux, including IE itself. BUT. Microsoft isn't very interested - they claim platform-interoperability but if they dump Corel, they dump Linux support and I think that will happen in the long term.
So, what's new about.NET? It's just the normal collection of Microsoft tie-in technologies, with a theoretical "platform-independence" smell. I still have got to see it all working... Basically MS ripped all the good ideas behind Java, with the difference that you can use any.NET-supported language (for example Eiffel) you like instead. If you are a Windows coder,.NET is your only future. For Unix, competition is always good..;)
Make that $100, for additional shit like winzip, mcafee.. But Linux saves on hardware too: you don't need a P3 to get fast performance. (I judge by reaction speed of the system.) Heck, you could even reuse bad RAM chips;) Another benefit lies in maintenance: network administrators can remotely update everything they want, automatically. But who am I talking to? I'm wasting time on Slashdot again.. Go tell your neighbour and be cause for the next 15,000.. Do a %s/Linux/FreeBSD/g if you like to.
Frank van Vliet, aka {}, was as well the wizard who managed to put an IIS banner on apache.org some months ago.. I'm really curious for his next hack!
Here is an interview on LinuxSecurity with him.
I've had numerous problems with the OEM Hauppauge WinTV drivers under W95/OSR2.1 on my P2-233 with an ATI 3d Rage Pro. Sound would randomly work or not, and the teletext application vtplus works only once, with one channel, after a clean reboot. The bttv driver for Linux, however, works absolutely great.. Apparently the Hauppauge drivers suck:(
You know Shakespeare? Or Charles Dickens? Anyone can reprint their work - their copyright has expired. Does copyright expiration exist for digital work too? IIRC, book copyrights vanish after 80 years. But that's way too long for code..
Try here.. Example: the skin MozBilla, which makes Mozilla look like IE (which a nice Bill icon right up). Installing it is a matter of copying files somewhere in the Mozilla-tree and restart the program. See the README which is included. I haven't figured out yet how to run multiple skins on the fly.
I'm using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686; en-US; m17) Gecko/20000806. It does crash when scrolling fast over the page. That was my first Mozilla crash today. Thank you for posting..:)
You are almost right. Of course developers must listen to their users. But both this AC and the suck.com piece are not giving feedback that developers can use. For what this forum is worth, asking AOL to bury Mozilla isn't an advice, but an attack. Ok, it's not "marketing shit", but why do people complain about something they haven't even tested this year? Call it sour grapes, Mozilla is indeed late according to IE's scheme. But that's no reason to doom Mozilla to hell. Btw, hats off to Hard_Code for his great post.
Another reason why commercial companies might be interested in Linux, is that it requires much less resources than, say, W2k. Every few years, your management will finally have been convinced by the Microsoft Marketing Department that you really need that new Office Assistant, only to find out that Office 2000 requires a Pentium III to work at the same speed as before. Linux, however, can reuse those old Pentium 100's easily. Why throw away those PC's? They are suitable for running AbiWord or KOffice - maybe even StarOffice. They are great as servers, firewalls or Internet workstations, too. Just test it! Using Linux is the best way to show others what it can do.
I skipped the initial suck.com discussion, but I'll bite here. Let's face this fact: Microsoft can't be beaten on its own platform. Mozilla, however, is intended to do all the things right that both IE and Netscape did wrong. That costs time and you know it! There's a reason that features are being added.. It seems to be fashion to claim that Open Source is slow and never releases something final, and that's just plain FUD. Because you, and I, and Suck are users and not developers, we have the right to beg and complain about final releases. But please, keep this Suck marketing shit in/dev/null until the Mozilla crew actually made it to 1.0! I tested yesterday's nightly build and except for keyboard shortcuts not being working under Linux, I thought Mozilla was fast, neat and stable. Give it a try and help Mozilla rather than just asking to bury it. Shame on you.
They should have waited with that version number, at least before KDE 2.0 was REALLY out.. Why now? Have they finally fixed all the bugs in YaST2? It is a fine tool to make an install, but it didn't replace YaST1 in previous versions.. For the rest, GO SuSE!
VI/Emacs is great, but NEdit is more suitable for Notepad users. Making a list of comparable applications is both trivial and questionable. The ideal way of learning to use Linux is having a friend nearby to ask questions to. You can't find a better knowledge base than a user community. Last point: applications should not tend to emulate Windows counterparts, but go for quality and second ease to use.
Baan is probably going to be bought by Invensys. The whole existence of Baan is based on their ERP product. Invensys would be stupid to give away the only thing that Baan can make profit from. Sorry, but I just don't see it happen. I don't think that competition like SAP is going to release open-source products either. We have nothing to expect from these commercial businesses. What we *can* expect is irritated ERP-customers. ERP-products are often bought by management, to get the company organized in one form. However, not every part of a company wants to use an ERP-solution. It ties them to one software manufacturer (SAP, Baan,..) and every upgrade is a painful process. I think ERP-products could learn a lot from open source: less dependability, freedom to choose, good support and a low price. But freedom is something commercial companies don't want to sell.
It looks safer to me to use a diskette or cd-rom for this purpose. Enter a disk, and eject the disk while it is busy. Windows should now ask to re-enter the disk with serial number #12345678. I don't know whether w2k still does this in a BSOD.
QNX is closed-source, and mainly aimed at real-time tasks. I tested the boot disk too. It includes a nice small graphics demo. I managed to get fifteen instances of the demo running at once, but starting up one more just caused the system to freeze. I had to reboot, and never tried QNX again..:) By the way, I saw the full version of QNX 4.54 pass by in alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc.os a few months ago. Probably some people are just collecting OS'es..
No, I rather would not have a dynamic multimedia experience.. This was not my point. Go use tables and Javascript, I'm doing fine. The trend we are facing is that Pages are becoming Programs, and that is not the Standard. No, I am not one of those that bounce a RFC when you reply email above a quote.. The web is a library of documents that can be accessed everywhere, anyhow. You can link and index things as freely as you want to. That's not possible anymore, if you encode content as a program. By the way, if you didn't know that Lynx doesn't support Javascript, I guess you haven't used it either behind a VAX..:)
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Who would buy a FreeBSD kernel without the ports collection? You're putting my statement to an extreme. Microsoft is misusing its market share to get its own applications everywhere "for free". Of course bundling should be possible, just like Linux distributions. But Microsoft doesn't allow that either. (Ever seen an official cd-set with Windows XP, Excel, WordPerfect, Adobe Acrobat and CorelDraw? Hmmm.) Reading mail is a common daily task. Microsoft throws Outlook on your harddisk for that. Why not first have choice? My grandmother might like Eudora better, but currently she won't even know that it exists.
No, the bundling is exactly my point. Defrag would not be my preferred example; I do not consider defrag "added value" - it just should be part of the base install. (Imagine Linux without fsck..) My point is that the average joe should have, nicely pointy-clicky, a CHOICE. Would Joe be interested in something like Passport? Of course not. But he has to sign up before he can actually do anything. Now is that user-friendly?
You ask, would I want to remove Paint from the base install? For sure. Joe does not need Paint Shop Pro. Joe might not need The Gimp. But exactly Paint is the reason, why everyone has stopped making light drawing programs. Just remember the DOS age: that's how it should have been. Paint was included (and possible not even changed) since Windows 1.0 - it was one of the reasons why people were expected to choose graphics above a console shell.
I hope this gives you some insight: Microsoft could play fair, and Joe could be happy, at the same time. I will never forbid anyone to run only Microsoft programs. But the price should be fair.
(I freely admit it's a bit strange to defend commercial developers while I like open source most myself.. Of course I hope more people will see the light. Of course I hope, and I think that commercial developers won't die. Microsoft's standardization has done many good, but it has really slowed down new inventions too. If I have to choose between one boss and several bosses, the latter case might cost some overhead but it will give me more freedom.)
Microsoft can easily buy a small country. A fine doesn't help Microsofts victims, doesn't help end users, doesn't fix any lawsuit. Microsoft will laugh its ass off. Those Europeans! (I'm Dutch myself..)
Why not tackle the problem itself? Microsoft is bundling its software to force competition out of the market. Why not force Microsoft to leave IE, Media Player, video editing software, hell even Minesweeper out of the default Windows package? (How much cheaper would it become?:)
There's the application barrier. Force it down! It should be possible to run Win32-applications in a legal way under any operating system. Yes, games too - DirectX should be opened or ported too.
Last but not least, Microsoft should cooperate with developers who struggle with Microsoft Word (or in general, OLE2) import/export filters and other proprietary Microsoft formats (NTFS, WMA, name it..)
If you think that I am radical, you probably don't have an idea of Microsofts power, budgets and market share. Microsoft is of course not evil itself. Their software looks and works actually pretty good, except for their obvious brain damage in security. Their management, their strategy and their habits of misusing their monopoly need a hard kick.
AAARGH. Swap that! Linus tree has Andrea's VM, Alan's tree has Riks VM. And now go read Kernel Traffic yourself!
Damn, overseen one more thing in previewing: Alan Cox' 2.4.10-pre series still includes Rik's VM. So you can choose: if you want Riks VM, use Linus' tree. For Andrea's VM, use Alan's tree. I only run 2.4.9-ac18 because that one was out when I needed it. I could have been running 2.4.10-ac10 now too, but there have been little important fixes since. Bugtraq reported a bug in the netfilter code, so if I've got to recompile anyway, I'm waiting for that one to be fixed properly :)
Just like the majority of you readers, I am not a kernel developer. But I like to know what I'm running. My conclusion is that if you want a stable kernel, ignore Linus' tree and use the Alan Cox tree. To say it blunt, 2.4.10+ really is 2.5, and you should only run it if you are prepared for some weird behaviour. :))
Now am I a troll? Hope not. I did get my info out of Kernel Traffic, which I've been reading for months. It is a very good, understandable and clear compression of all important things that happen on the linux kernel mailinglist. If you use Slashdot as your only information portal about the kernel, you are *braindead*.
Ok, now my point - it is the VM subsystem. By now you should know that 2.4.x, until recently 2.4.10, used the VM code by Rik van Riel. That code has taken some time to develop, but you definitely can't blame Rik as the cause for all 2.4 stability problems, as well as the eternal delay of 2.5. But according to the l-k list, Linus himself made several errors in including Rik's patches, which indeed caused 2.4.7 and up to be unstable! Ok, now stop and think about this. Linus has an enormous responsibility. He didn't realize where the fault was, but he did perceive that the stable kernels were NOT stable. He knew that Andrea Arcangeli was still working on his own VM (that work improved Rik's VM too in 2.3. Not having a monopoly really does improve invention!) Then Linus made the big step: even in a *stable* series, he took over Andrea's VM and threw out Rik's one. This is really an important decision, and I applaud it!
The only thing Linus should not have done, is labeling this thing 2.4.10. It really is 2.5. For the big public, that kernel was definitely everything but a stable kernel. Luckily a lot of problems have been solved since (2.4.11 is a hell of a lot better than 2.4.10), and I consider Andrea Arcangeli really a good coder, but actually I trust Alan Cox most. He commented that Linus' recent kernels trashed several boxes of his overnight. Alan really sees the -ac tree as the stable one currently. I run 2.4.9-ac18 too, with the kernel preemption patch as mentioned earlier, on a p2-233 with quite some load, and it doesn't show any strange behaviour. (The kernel preemption patch doesn't do really much here: I still get skips when I record an mp3 from my soundcard and switch desktops in the meantime. But I should not expect wonders
One last thing: Rik van Riel's VM has improved *too*. Alan Cox catches up with his patches very speedily. No more big bugs; Rik even added some optimizations in 2.4.9-ac16. I can't see that of course, but overall the system is a lot more responsive than 2.4.3-pre6, my last kernel before this one.
So my advice: use the ac-series of the kernel. Linus has made some wise decisions. I think he should start 2.5 and leave 2.4 to Alan, before people go sulking about 2.4.10 versus the always-stable reputation of the Linux kernel.
True. (C# is even another story, though.) This was a lame attempt to compress the (imho) revolutionary parts into one single comment. I'm interested in those core web services and a comparison with Java. Microsoft is especially proud on XML and SOAP. I can only hope they adhere to standards.. ;) .NET is just a recycle of existing ideas, in particular some of Java. Maybe I might not have understood the really new things? :)
Btw, of course Java wasn't the first with everything, but most of what I know about
Recently I watched a presentation by Microsoft about .NET. Like most Slashdot-readers, I'm probably very Unix-biased, and I actually found .NET very interesting. The hardest thing to explain is what it actually is. There is plenty of documentation already available, you really don't have to ask Doug this. .NET-applications on Linux, including IE itself. BUT. Microsoft isn't very interested - they claim platform-interoperability but if they dump Corel, they dump Linux support and I think that will happen in the long term. .NET? It's just the normal collection of Microsoft tie-in technologies, with a theoretical "platform-independence" smell. I still have got to see it all working... Basically MS ripped all the good ideas behind Java, with the difference that you can use any .NET-supported language (for example Eiffel) you like instead. If you are a Windows coder, .NET is your only future. For Unix, competition is always good.. ;)
To answer your question in short - please correct me if i'm wrong - Corel is currently building the Intermediate Language (IL) "virtual machine" which allows IL-bytecode to run on Linux. You read it correctly, bytecode. Visual Studio.NET will be able to compile languages like C#, Eiffel.NET and possibly - though Sun won't like it - Java.NET to IL bytecode. Imagine that you download Word.NET on your Linux box. The IL virtual machine first recompiles bytecode to "native" Linux code with calls to its own win32 libraries. This only happens once: the compilation will take long (the MS presentation had a Hello World compiling in 20 seconds) but you'll keep the native executable on disk.
I should tell much more, but I refer to more official documentation. In the meantime, I hope you get the idea: it won't be a problem to run
So, what's new about
Make that $100, for additional shit like winzip, mcafee.. But Linux saves on hardware too: you don't need a P3 to get fast performance. (I judge by reaction speed of the system.) Heck, you could even reuse bad RAM chips ;) Another benefit lies in maintenance: network administrators can remotely update everything they want, automatically.
But who am I talking to? I'm wasting time on Slashdot again.. Go tell your neighbour and be cause for the next 15,000..
Do a %s/Linux/FreeBSD/g if you like to.
Frank van Vliet, aka {}, was as well the wizard who managed to put an IIS banner on apache.org some months ago.. I'm really curious for his next hack!
Here is an interview on LinuxSecurity with him.
Apparently the Hauppauge drivers suck.. ;)
I mean, on Windows. At least I didn't have display problems with the ATi.. (Next time I'll press preview
I've had numerous problems with the OEM Hauppauge WinTV drivers under W95/OSR2.1 on my P2-233 with an ATI 3d Rage Pro. Sound would randomly work or not, and the teletext application vtplus works only once, with one channel, after a clean reboot. The bttv driver for Linux, however, works absolutely great.. Apparently the Hauppauge drivers suck :(
You know Shakespeare? Or Charles Dickens? Anyone can reprint their work - their copyright has expired. Does copyright expiration exist for digital work too? IIRC, book copyrights vanish after 80 years. But that's way too long for code..
Try here.. Example: the skin MozBilla, which makes Mozilla look like IE (which a nice Bill icon right up). Installing it is a matter of copying files somewhere in the Mozilla-tree and restart the program. See the README which is included. I haven't figured out yet how to run multiple skins on the fly.
I'm using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686; en-US; m17) Gecko/20000806. It does crash when scrolling fast over the page. That was my first Mozilla crash today. Thank you for posting.. :)
You are almost right. Of course developers must listen to their users. But both this AC and the suck.com piece are not giving feedback that developers can use. For what this forum is worth, asking AOL to bury Mozilla isn't an advice, but an attack. Ok, it's not "marketing shit", but why do people complain about something they haven't even tested this year? Call it sour grapes, Mozilla is indeed late according to IE's scheme. But that's no reason to doom Mozilla to hell.
Btw, hats off to Hard_Code for his great post.
Another reason why commercial companies might be interested in Linux, is that it requires much less resources than, say, W2k. Every few years, your management will finally have been convinced by the Microsoft Marketing Department that you really need that new Office Assistant, only to find out that Office 2000 requires a Pentium III to work at the same speed as before. Linux, however, can reuse those old Pentium 100's easily. Why throw away those PC's? They are suitable for running AbiWord or KOffice - maybe even StarOffice. They are great as servers, firewalls or Internet workstations, too. Just test it! Using Linux is the best way to show others what it can do.
I skipped the initial suck.com discussion, but I'll bite here. Let's face this fact: Microsoft can't be beaten on its own platform. Mozilla, however, is intended to do all the things right that both IE and Netscape did wrong. That costs time and you know it! There's a reason that features are being added.. /dev/null until the Mozilla crew actually made it to 1.0! I tested yesterday's nightly build and except for keyboard shortcuts not being working under Linux, I thought Mozilla was fast, neat and stable. Give it a try and help Mozilla rather than just asking to bury it. Shame on you.
It seems to be fashion to claim that Open Source is slow and never releases something final, and that's just plain FUD. Because you, and I, and Suck are users and not developers, we have the right to beg and complain about final releases. But please, keep this Suck marketing shit in
They should have waited with that version number, at least before KDE 2.0 was REALLY out.. Why now? Have they finally fixed all the bugs in YaST2? It is a fine tool to make an install, but it didn't replace YaST1 in previous versions..
For the rest, GO SuSE!
Use a fixed font, not variable width. Magazines are usually text, "l33t" instead of "elite" came out of ascii art. </trivia>
VI/Emacs is great, but NEdit is more suitable for Notepad users.
Making a list of comparable applications is both trivial and questionable. The ideal way of learning to use Linux is having a friend nearby to ask questions to. You can't find a better knowledge base than a user community.
Last point: applications should not tend to emulate Windows counterparts, but go for quality and second ease to use.
Baan is probably going to be bought by Invensys. The whole existence of Baan is based on their ERP product. Invensys would be stupid to give away the only thing that Baan can make profit from. Sorry, but I just don't see it happen. ..) and every upgrade is a painful process. I think ERP-products could learn a lot from open source: less dependability, freedom to choose, good support and a low price. But freedom is something commercial companies don't want to sell.
I don't think that competition like SAP is going to release open-source products either. We have nothing to expect from these commercial businesses.
What we *can* expect is irritated ERP-customers. ERP-products are often bought by management, to get the company organized in one form. However, not every part of a company wants to use an ERP-solution. It ties them to one software manufacturer (SAP, Baan,
It looks safer to me to use a diskette or cd-rom for this purpose. Enter a disk, and eject the disk while it is busy. Windows should now ask to re-enter the disk with serial number #12345678. I don't know whether w2k still does this in a BSOD.
QNX is closed-source, and mainly aimed at real-time tasks. I tested the boot disk too. It includes a nice small graphics demo. I managed to get fifteen instances of the demo running at once, but starting up one more just caused the system to freeze. I had to reboot, and never tried QNX again.. :)
By the way, I saw the full version of QNX 4.54 pass by in alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc.os a few months ago. Probably some people are just collecting OS'es..
No, I rather would not have a dynamic multimedia experience.. :)
This was not my point. Go use tables and Javascript, I'm doing fine. The trend we are facing is that Pages are becoming Programs, and that is not the Standard. No, I am not one of those that bounce a RFC when you reply email above a quote.. The web is a library of documents that can be accessed everywhere, anyhow. You can link and index things as freely as you want to. That's not possible anymore, if you encode content as a program.
By the way, if you didn't know that Lynx doesn't support Javascript, I guess you haven't used it either behind a VAX..