>When my ex-gf broke over 5000 dollars in music CD's in half
WTF?!? Ignoring that it's a pain to break a CD in half, isn't there some law against destruction of private property of $5k. I know that'd be grand theft auto, just, WTF?
Yeah I know pedantically I should've used Intel, but the current best consumer processor clock for clock integerwise from Intel is the Pentium M, holding its own against AMD64, though it isn't quite as good as fp as ints, and it isn't offered dual, so I used the Opteron. If you check out the link in my reply to my post, it's comparable to a 3ghz P4 int, and 5/6 as fast in fp, at only 2ghz. If Intel can effectively translate this design to 64bit, improve the fp, ramp up the clock to 3+ghz, and dualize it, AMD's gonna have to be working overtime.
Intel has been lackluster in performance, with overdependance on ramping up clockrates lately, but really, check out the P-M, I guarantee you'll be creaming you pants.
I see, if by smoke, you mean have 1/3 the performance of an Opteron. And for Pentium M, SPECint2000, since they don't make dual PMs 2000 Pentium M 1541 1528 2200 PowerPC 970 1040 986 SPECfp2000 2000 Pentium M 1088 1087 PowerPC 970 not on chart or not tested.
From the data, its clear that the G5 sucks ass, and that the superior performance of the x86 is the reason behind Apple finally switching. I can't wait for the day that the Apple uses Intel, so I don't have to hear any more morons that know nothing about processors or performance, and are so obsessed with Apple produced they'd buy a freakin iProduct
A summary of what processor to buy: Raw throughput, POWER5, poor man POWER5, Opteron, shiny case, G5.
Neo and Trinity have been loaded into the construct program, wearing boots, trenchcoats and sunglasses. Neo gets out his cell phone and talks to Tank. Tank : 'kay..so what do you need..?...Besides a miracle.. Neo thinks about it. Neo : 486s...lots of 486s. As he says this, hundreds of rows of assorted blades appear, whooshing by Neo and Trinity as they stand in the centre. Neo picks out a system. Trinity : Neo, no one has ever done anything like this. Neo turns to look at her, holding the 486. Neo : That's why it's going to work. He boots the 486.
Sounds like someone doesn't love Big Brother enough. Don't worry, I'm here to help you get better at the two minutes of hate. You'll soon love Big Brother.
You have way too much obsession with children in this matter, continually bringing them up, and the fact that you think of dead children sexually, even if just to make an ad homiem attack, is disturbing.
If you're gonna link to faked documents, at least link to those that look authentic, and that don't use Copperplate Gothic Light font instead of something standard like Courier. Having all the references to the documents not be conspiricy websites would be nice too.
Since you claim you understood my post, yet did not believe it, you clearly have no knowledge of feudal Japan to WW2. Instead you make ad homiem attacks and strawman arguemnts that latch onto a phrase that shows how fanatic the Japanese were. I pity you, never understanding the world around you, yelling louder and louder and being ignored more and more, secure in your delusions that there's an evil govt consipricy and anyone who doesn't see is a drone, and never bothering to do some actual questioning and factfinding.
Re the supernatural being nonsense, I did not intend for my comment to imply that. I meant nonsense in regards to the bible being God's work, as it contains many falsehoods and contradictions, so it seems highly unlikely that it is the work of a perfect being (including telling in to prophets, etc), rather than the work of man. The question of whether God exists seems rather pointless, us being natural and by all repeatable tests to be unable to be part of the supernatural in any way, it's like the question of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, just a waste of time that could be spend doing something useful.
I do believe that religion, as practiced by most Americans, is nonsense, witness the intolerance of the religious right and those just going through the motions. I do not however, believe as Leibniz did that science is a cureall, because from what I know there indeed may be some truths about QM or math or other subjects that are "unprovable".
As to questioning the scientific method, it's not so much about attacking, at least with me, but just disdain/annoyance for questioning for the sake of questioning, not because there seems to be some problem with science.
To summarize my positions, supernatural = unknowable by defn, science is the current best explaination of the natural, and religion, as practiced by most is crap. Does that clarify?
Ah, the old "think of the children" rouse. Might wanna do a little less "thinking of the children", and spend it on reading comprehension, then you'd notice that Japan was a country of fanatics. As to the ad homiem attack on my honor, you'd best reconsider your own first, trying to paint a country that indoctrinated its "citizens" since birth in fanaticism and that the lives of those in a lower class than you were worthless, and was an unprovoked agressor, as the victim.
Very clever, props to you. However, has any implementation of communism not included authoritarism? (I'd consider most of Europe and Canada socialist, and I'm pretty sure they're not killing people for some tyrant's 5 year plan or such.)
This is just a minor nitpick, but socialist states fail because the greed is not directed to providing a good/service, as in capatilist states, but rather to basically stealing the profit of others. Greed is perhaps the best motivator for progress, in a system that allows it to be applied usefully. I heartily agree that the "greater good" rationalization is a sure sign of corruption and such.
It wasn't a question of Japanese victory, it was that we tried a "gentleman's agreement" surrender in WWI with Germany, punished them, and that just created enough unrest to allow WW2 to start, hence our unyielding position in WW2 demanding unconditional surrender.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not attacks on civilains. Regardless of what you might want the Japanese to have been, they were fanatics, stupidly loyal to the emperor, and believers in some twisted concept of "honor" that justified *forced* seppuku. They were arming children with bamboo spears! When the entire populace is trained to fight you, they are clearly not civilians.
It stands to reason that the military didn't want people to know that America had these superweapons, so that people would still have some delusion about fighting to the death and taking as many American's with them as possible.
To anyone who has some knowledge of the mindset of the Japanese from feudal times to WW2, it is blindingly clear that Japan simply would not surrender. They created seppuku to preserve "honor" for chrissake. They had 12 year olds working in factories and schoolgirls throwing themselves off cliffs because the govt told them the Americans would rape them.
Can you really look at these facts and pretend that America was the agressor?
It's sad that in all discussions involving religion on slashdot, if you ignore the religious words in many posts, they come off as blatent trolls. I thank you muchly for your responses full of reason and logic to these trolls.
>Religion or science, no one likes the fundamental parts of their worldview questioned.
This is false. Science differs from religion in that its purpose is to seek the truth through questioning, while all of religions answers comes from a magic book or some such nonsense.
"I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Feynman.
>Also, last I heard was solar panels cost more energy to manufacture than they actually produce in their lifetime.
This seems like a reasonable thought, and maybe was true decades ago, but now is just FUD, as a little calculation shows. Buying a 100W panel from here costs about $500. Assuming the cost is exactly the energy cost, and a kWh costs 10c, the solar panel needs to produce 5000 kWh to breakeven. It produces about 1 kWh/day, so it'd have to run for about 13 years. Solar panel life is about 20 years, so even with the gross overestimate of energy cost, solar power is feasable, and I'm guessing breakeven time would be more like a few years.
It stands to reason that the military didn't want people to know that America had these superweapons, so that people would still have some delusion about fighting to the death and taking as many American's with them as possible.
You are correct that the only correct benchmark is the time it takes for an program to complete. However, spec benchmarks provide a reasonably good approximation of the integer and floating point performance.
As for the 32bit AMD, they have the 3200 (2.2ghz) benchmarked, and it barely scores half as fast as the AMD 64 FX
Do you have any links to the P4 ALU being efficient, I'm interested.
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Same here. Plus, they sound so much better than CDs, especially now that I fixed my tube amp. It just gives them a warmth that's unbeatable.
Out of curiosity, what are your favorite Floyd albums, with and without Syd?
>When my ex-gf broke over 5000 dollars in music CD's in half
WTF?!? Ignoring that it's a pain to break a CD in half, isn't there some law against destruction of private property of $5k. I know that'd be grand theft auto, just, WTF?
Yeah I know pedantically I should've used Intel, but the current best consumer processor clock for clock integerwise from Intel is the Pentium M, holding its own against AMD64, though it isn't quite as good as fp as ints, and it isn't offered dual, so I used the Opteron. If you check out the link in my reply to my post, it's comparable to a 3ghz P4 int, and 5/6 as fast in fp, at only 2ghz. If Intel can effectively translate this design to 64bit, improve the fp, ramp up the clock to 3+ghz, and dualize it, AMD's gonna have to be working overtime.
Intel has been lackluster in performance, with overdependance on ramping up clockrates lately, but really, check out the P-M, I guarantee you'll be creaming you pants.
Forgot the link
From here: 2-way SPEC systems
SPECint_rate2000
2200 Opteron 68.1 64.2
2200 PowerPC 970 21.5 20.2
SPECfp_rate2000
2200 Opteron 69.1 63.9
2200 PowerPC 970 20 19.2
I see, if by smoke, you mean have 1/3 the performance of an Opteron. And for Pentium M, SPECint2000, since they don't make dual PMs
2000 Pentium M 1541 1528
2200 PowerPC 970 1040 986
SPECfp2000
2000 Pentium M 1088 1087
PowerPC 970 not on chart or not tested.
From the data, its clear that the G5 sucks ass, and that the superior performance of the x86 is the reason behind Apple finally switching. I can't wait for the day that the Apple uses Intel, so I don't have to hear any more morons that know nothing about processors or performance, and are so obsessed with Apple produced they'd buy a freakin iProduct
A summary of what processor to buy: Raw throughput, POWER5, poor man POWER5, Opteron, shiny case, G5.
Neo and Trinity have been loaded into the construct program, wearing boots, trenchcoats and sunglasses. Neo gets out his cell phone and talks to Tank.
Tank : 'kay..so what do you need..?...Besides a miracle..
Neo thinks about it.
Neo : 486s...lots of 486s.
As he says this, hundreds of rows of assorted blades appear, whooshing by Neo and Trinity as they stand in the centre.
Neo picks out a system.
Trinity : Neo, no one has ever done anything like this.
Neo turns to look at her, holding the 486.
Neo : That's why it's going to work.
He boots the 486.
Sounds like someone doesn't love Big Brother enough. Don't worry, I'm here to help you get better at the two minutes of hate. You'll soon love Big Brother.
The second issue of Make magazine has something like this, as well as this site, hacking a c64 dtv into a c64 with ps2 keyboard.
You have way too much obsession with children in this matter, continually bringing them up, and the fact that you think of dead children sexually, even if just to make an ad homiem attack, is disturbing.
If you're gonna link to faked documents, at least link to those that look authentic, and that don't use Copperplate Gothic Light font instead of something standard like Courier. Having all the references to the documents not be conspiricy websites would be nice too.
Is this the same MacArthur that wanted to nuke China? It doesn't really matter what he thought, since some Japanese historians went to the trouble of compiling an account of what actually happened. Read The Longest Day - an account of 14 Japanese Historians about the surrender, or this summary.
Since you claim you understood my post, yet did not believe it, you clearly have no knowledge of feudal Japan to WW2. Instead you make ad homiem attacks and strawman arguemnts that latch onto a phrase that shows how fanatic the Japanese were. I pity you, never understanding the world around you, yelling louder and louder and being ignored more and more, secure in your delusions that there's an evil govt consipricy and anyone who doesn't see is a drone, and never bothering to do some actual questioning and factfinding.
Somewhat lacking in cohesion:
Re the supernatural being nonsense, I did not intend for my comment to imply that. I meant nonsense in regards to the bible being God's work, as it contains many falsehoods and contradictions, so it seems highly unlikely that it is the work of a perfect being (including telling in to prophets, etc), rather than the work of man. The question of whether God exists seems rather pointless, us being natural and by all repeatable tests to be unable to be part of the supernatural in any way, it's like the question of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, just a waste of time that could be spend doing something useful.
I do believe that religion, as practiced by most Americans, is nonsense, witness the intolerance of the religious right and those just going through the motions. I do not however, believe as Leibniz did that science is a cureall, because from what I know there indeed may be some truths about QM or math or other subjects that are "unprovable".
As to questioning the scientific method, it's not so much about attacking, at least with me, but just disdain/annoyance for questioning for the sake of questioning, not because there seems to be some problem with science.
To summarize my positions, supernatural = unknowable by defn, science is the current best explaination of the natural, and religion, as practiced by most is crap. Does that clarify?
Ah, the old "think of the children" rouse. Might wanna do a little less "thinking of the children", and spend it on reading comprehension, then you'd notice that Japan was a country of fanatics. As to the ad homiem attack on my honor, you'd best reconsider your own first, trying to paint a country that indoctrinated its "citizens" since birth in fanaticism and that the lives of those in a lower class than you were worthless, and was an unprovoked agressor, as the victim.
Very clever, props to you. However, has any implementation of communism not included authoritarism? (I'd consider most of Europe and Canada socialist, and I'm pretty sure they're not killing people for some tyrant's 5 year plan or such.)
This is just a minor nitpick, but socialist states fail because the greed is not directed to providing a good/service, as in capatilist states, but rather to basically stealing the profit of others. Greed is perhaps the best motivator for progress, in a system that allows it to be applied usefully. I heartily agree that the "greater good" rationalization is a sure sign of corruption and such.
It wasn't a question of Japanese victory, it was that we tried a "gentleman's agreement" surrender in WWI with Germany, punished them, and that just created enough unrest to allow WW2 to start, hence our unyielding position in WW2 demanding unconditional surrender.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not attacks on civilains. Regardless of what you might want the Japanese to have been, they were fanatics, stupidly loyal to the emperor, and believers in some twisted concept of "honor" that justified *forced* seppuku. They were arming children with bamboo spears! When the entire populace is trained to fight you, they are clearly not civilians.
Hirohito and the military knew about that city's destruction later that day, but were paralyzed by indecision. Hirohito did not meet with his supreme war council until about 11 a.m. Aug. 9, within minutes of when the second bomb fell on Nagasaki. Another choice quote: "The Japanese military did not want people to know about the atomic bomb," said Tsuia Etchu, founder of Nagasaki's Atomic Bomb museum. Etchu was an army officer in the city of Fukuoka when the bomb fell.
It stands to reason that the military didn't want people to know that America had these superweapons, so that people would still have some delusion about fighting to the death and taking as many American's with them as possible.
To anyone who has some knowledge of the mindset of the Japanese from feudal times to WW2, it is blindingly clear that Japan simply would not surrender. They created seppuku to preserve "honor" for chrissake. They had 12 year olds working in factories and schoolgirls throwing themselves off cliffs because the govt told them the Americans would rape them.
Can you really look at these facts and pretend that America was the agressor?
It's sad that in all discussions involving religion on slashdot, if you ignore the religious words in many posts, they come off as blatent trolls. I thank you muchly for your responses full of reason and logic to these trolls.
>Religion or science, no one likes the fundamental parts of their worldview questioned.
This is false. Science differs from religion in that its purpose is to seek the truth through questioning, while all of religions answers comes from a magic book or some such nonsense.
"I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong." - Feynman.
>Also, last I heard was solar panels cost more energy to manufacture than they actually produce in their lifetime.
This seems like a reasonable thought, and maybe was true decades ago, but now is just FUD, as a little calculation shows. Buying a 100W panel from here costs about $500. Assuming the cost is exactly the energy cost, and a kWh costs 10c, the solar panel needs to produce 5000 kWh to breakeven. It produces about 1 kWh/day, so it'd have to run for about 13 years. Solar panel life is about 20 years, so even with the gross overestimate of energy cost, solar power is feasable, and I'm guessing breakeven time would be more like a few years.
Wrong. Hirohito and the military knew about that city's destruction later that day, but were paralyzed by indecision. Hirohito did not meet with his supreme war council until about 11 a.m. Aug. 9, within minutes of when the second bomb fell on Nagasaki. Another choice quote: "The Japanese military did not want people to know about the atomic bomb," said Tsuia Etchu, founder of Nagasaki's Atomic Bomb museum. Etchu was an army officer in the city of Fukuoka when the bomb fell.
It stands to reason that the military didn't want people to know that America had these superweapons, so that people would still have some delusion about fighting to the death and taking as many American's with them as possible.
Hehe, I always thought it was amusing that they needed copper for the cyclotrons, but couldn't get any due to wartime shortages, so they borrowed 15,000 tons of silver from the Treasury.
You are correct that the only correct benchmark is the time it takes for an program to complete. However, spec benchmarks provide a reasonably good approximation of the integer and floating point performance.
As for the 32bit AMD, they have the 3200 (2.2ghz) benchmarked, and it barely scores half as fast as the AMD 64 FX
Do you have any links to the P4 ALU being efficient, I'm interested.
As America, The Book says about the French in warefare: 16-1 pre Napoleon, 1-8 post.